Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > andy pugh wrote: >>> DN2800MT will install XP, Probably Vista, W7 and Linux with graphics >>> switched >>> >off. Enabling graphics in Linux seems to be hit and miss but basically >>> >there are >> What do you mean by "enabling graphics"? >> >> I have only used it on the VGA connector, (plugged into my TV, >> actually) but I get the normal Axis interface, and can run glxgears, >> and mouse/keyboard response is entirely normal. > > I've not done a clean install of LinuxCNC on the DN2800MT ... but on the > D2500HN > I'm NOT getting a responsive Axis graphic display. The flag I am putting up is > that operation of this range of product can't be relied on. On the DN2800MT I > could not get the QCAD package into a usable state on Linux so I gave up. Lester, are you using the HDMI video connection? HDMI uses a different code path for detecting and setting up an attached display, so that could possibly explain the variance between you and Andy. Does D2500HN have two different video subsystems by any chance? It's crazy but happens quite often when there's a builtin GPU in the chipset and then the manufacturer decides to put in a discrete high performance GPU. In that case, sometimes there's a hardware switch (a jumper, or, e.g. on my VAIO laptop, an external switch) or a BIOS setting that selects the primary GPU. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Peter Homann wrote: > I've had mine sitting on the shelf gathering dust for a few months now. Too > busy to look at it at the moment. > > Too many toys, so little time. Especially when things that should work out of the box don't :( I WILL get a working LinuxCNC setup working! But then I've been saying that for years ;) The difference now is a customer is paying ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
andy pugh wrote: >> DN2800MT will install XP, Probably Vista, W7 and Linux with graphics switched >> >off. Enabling graphics in Linux seems to be hit and miss but basically >> >there are >> >no drivers for the Intel GMA 3600 graphics for Linux or XP but XP will run. > I don't understand the problem. I just installed the LinuxCNC 2.5 > LiveCD, and it works as expected. > > What do you mean by "enabling graphics"? > > I have only used it on the VGA connector, (plugged into my TV, > actually) but I get the normal Axis interface, and can run glxgears, > and mouse/keyboard response is entirely normal. I've not done a clean install of LinuxCNC on the DN2800MT ... but on the D2500HN I'm NOT getting a responsive Axis graphic display. The flag I am putting up is that operation of this range of product can't be relied on. On the DN2800MT I could not get the QCAD package into a usable state on Linux so I gave up. That now has XP and Mach3 on as I need to get a working box out of the door. I've actually switched to one of the older Via boards I had on the shelf, and and running LinuxCNC up on that so I can get the Lathe working ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
I've had mine sitting on the shelf gathering dust for a few months now. Too busy to look at it at the moment. Too many toys, so little time. Cheers, Peter On 18/07/2012 1:55 PM, Jack Coats wrote: > Newark Electronics. Ordered it some time ago. They charged my card > when they were available to ship. > >> <> ... Jack > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Dave wrote: >> Where did you get your Raspberry Pi from?? >> >> I have a standing order for two of them at the moment. >> >> Scarcer than hen's teeth! >> >> Dave >> > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- - eStore: http://www.homanndesigns.com/store Web : http://www.homanndesigns.com ModIO - Modbus Interface Unit email : pe...@homanndesigns.com DigiSpeed - Isolated 10Vdc I/F Phone : +61 421 601 665 TurboTaig - Taig Mill Upgrade board -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 18 July 2012 08:40, Lester Caine wrote: > DN2800MT will install XP, Probably Vista, W7 and Linux with graphics switched > off. Enabling graphics in Linux seems to be hit and miss but basically there > are > no drivers for the Intel GMA 3600 graphics for Linux or XP but XP will run. I don't understand the problem. I just installed the LinuxCNC 2.5 LiveCD, and it works as expected. What do you mean by "enabling graphics"? I have only used it on the VGA connector, (plugged into my TV, actually) but I get the normal Axis interface, and can run glxgears, and mouse/keyboard response is entirely normal. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Lester Caine wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: >> >I'm using the D2500HN for the CNC kits and that seems to be fine but only >> >has >> >the VGA output;) > OK turns out the D2500HN also has problems when running in Linux graphics > mode, > so as far as I am concerned they are not usable for Linux. OK follow-up on this since I wasted most of yesterday playing with it :( DN2800MT will install XP, Probably Vista, W7 and Linux with graphics switched off. Enabling graphics in Linux seems to be hit and miss but basically there are no drivers for the Intel GMA 3600 graphics for Linux or XP but XP will run. D2500HN is similar except THAT will not install XP, so is restricted to W7. Get a blue screen crash with every install disk I have here. Bottom line ... don't think the GMA 3600 based motherboards are worth wasting any time on ... They may be a bit more expensive, but I think I'll switch back to the VIA ITX boards as at least they still support W2k as well and Linux support is more open. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Newark Electronics. Ordered it some time ago. They charged my card when they were available to ship. ><> ... Jack On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Dave wrote: > Where did you get your Raspberry Pi from?? > > I have a standing order for two of them at the moment. > > Scarcer than hen's teeth! > > Dave > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Where did you get your Raspberry Pi from?? I have a standing order for two of them at the moment. Scarcer than hen's teeth! Dave On 7/17/2012 3:08 PM, Jack Coats wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Yishin Li wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Joseph Chiu wrote: >> >> >>> Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? >>> >>> >>> >> Joseph, >> >> It's with Ubuntu 12.04 armhf. >> The detail installation guide is here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu >> And, this is my note about installing headless LinuxCNC on BeagleBone: >> https://sites.google.com/a/araisrobo.com/en/linuxcnc/build-for-beagle >> >> Cheers, >> >> Yishin >> > I just got delivery of a Raspberry Pi (B) ... runs ARM code and there is a > debian distribution for it. Just not enough I/O available to make it a > rational LinuxCNC machine :( > > It has composite video and HDMI video available, 2port USB for whatever > (keyboard, mouse, external drives, bluetooth, whatever you want), > and boots and runs from an SD card. There is also a 'camera' interface > and a few GPIO pins (haven't checkd them out yet), a 'sound' port to plug > in an amplifier for audio and over the HDMI. > Power is via a 5v micro USB connector. needs 700mA. > JTAG interface pins, 10/100 ethernet port (standard connector), > a few status led's for 'der blinken lights'. Ethernet is Broadcom so > don't expect detailed chip info, but it should 'just work' with appropriate > drivers. Runs ARM11 processor at 800MHz > > Info on raspberrypi.org > > ... Still I think I can find some uses for it (other than a toy, that > it is now). > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 17 July 2012 20:08, Jack Coats wrote: > I just got delivery of a Raspberry Pi (B) ... runs ARM code and there is a > debian distribution for it. Just not enough I/O available to make it a > rational LinuxCNC machine :( 17? Sounds at least as capable as a single-parport machine. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Yishin Li wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Joseph Chiu wrote: > >> Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? >> >> > Joseph, > > It's with Ubuntu 12.04 armhf. > The detail installation guide is here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu > And, this is my note about installing headless LinuxCNC on BeagleBone: > https://sites.google.com/a/araisrobo.com/en/linuxcnc/build-for-beagle > > Cheers, > > Yishin I just got delivery of a Raspberry Pi (B) ... runs ARM code and there is a debian distribution for it. Just not enough I/O available to make it a rational LinuxCNC machine :( It has composite video and HDMI video available, 2port USB for whatever (keyboard, mouse, external drives, bluetooth, whatever you want), and boots and runs from an SD card. There is also a 'camera' interface and a few GPIO pins (haven't checkd them out yet), a 'sound' port to plug in an amplifier for audio and over the HDMI. Power is via a 5v micro USB connector. needs 700mA. JTAG interface pins, 10/100 ethernet port (standard connector), a few status led's for 'der blinken lights'. Ethernet is Broadcom so don't expect detailed chip info, but it should 'just work' with appropriate drivers. Runs ARM11 processor at 800MHz Info on raspberrypi.org ... Still I think I can find some uses for it (other than a toy, that it is now). -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Yishin Li wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Joseph Chiu wrote: > >> Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? >> > Joseph, > > It's with Ubuntu 12.04 armhf. > The detail installation guide is here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu > And, this is my note about installing headless LinuxCNC on BeagleBone: > https://sites.google.com/a/araisrobo.com/en/linuxcnc/build-for-beagle > But, note this is a simulator-only, non-real time system. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Joseph Chiu wrote: > Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Yishin Li wrote: > >> >> Maybe you could consider BeagleBone with Mesa's 7i43/USB board. >> I saw smooth stepper motion with above combination. >> As it's with USB interface, it could work with modern laptop or netbook. >> The Beagle products use TI ARM Cortex CPUs, and there is no RTAI patch for Linux for these CPUs. That makes it hard to run LinuxCNC on them. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Joseph Chiu wrote: > Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? > > Joseph, It's with Ubuntu 12.04 armhf. The detail installation guide is here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu And, this is my note about installing headless LinuxCNC on BeagleBone: https://sites.google.com/a/araisrobo.com/en/linuxcnc/build-for-beagle Cheers, Yishin -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Lester Caine wrote: > I'm using the D2500HN for the CNC kits and that seems to be fine but only has > the VGA output;) OK turns out the D2500HN also has problems when running in Linux graphics mode, so as far as I am concerned they are not usable for Linux. I've got bigger machines for the development work, the ITX boxes are only used for machine testing, and I've got an Orac lathe that I'm trying to get running on LinuxCNC (and Mach3) at the moment. THOUGHT the D2500HN had installed OK, but now I start to play in earnest it's just very slow responding - just not as slow as the media client. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Yishin, what was that Beagle Bone running? On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Yishin Li wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Viesturs Lācis >wrote: > > > > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even > not > > > in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. > > > > Is there a PCIe-to-PCI adapter available? > > > > > > > > Anyone tested the latency? > > > > > > > Latency _should_ be very good. > > > > But I doubt that I will buy this board as it has not pci slot. > > > > Viesturs, > > Maybe you could consider BeagleBone with Mesa's 7i43/USB board. > I saw smooth stepper motion with above combination. > As it's with USB interface, it could work with modern laptop or netbook. > > Yishin > -- > ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY > www.araisrobo.com > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 17 July 2012 10:09, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > Don't You have D510? Or have You made some upgrades? I needed to move the D510 to the machine it was bought to control, so I bought the DN2800 as a dedicated dev machine. I now have 2 machine tools and 4 LinuxCNC computers -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
2012/7/17 andy pugh : > On 17 July 2012 07:28, Lester Caine wrote: > >> Anybody ACTUALLY using this board with Linux? I picked one up to test out, >> but >> the reports about problems with the video site are quite correct. It's >> unusable :( > > Yes, I am using it as my LinuxCNC development machine. Don't You have D510? Or have You made some upgrades? -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
andy pugh wrote: >> Anybody ACTUALLY using this board with Linux? I picked one up to test out, >> but >> >the reports about problems with the video site are quite correct. It's >> >unusable:( > Yes, I am using it as my LinuxCNC development machine. > What video problems are you having? I just did a simple LiveCD install > of LinuxCNC 2.5, and it works fine. I'll put my hand up ;) I was looking to use it as a media server direct from the HDMI output so I'm running the XBMC LiveUSB stick. Text mode things are running OK, but the second the mouse appears the whole thing grinds to a halt and it takes several seconds for the cursor to follow a mouse move. If you say you have the LiveCD working then I'll give that a go. I've already run SUSE12.1 on as well thinking it might be a USB problem but with exactly the same results ... I'm using the D2500HN for the CNC kits and that seems to be fine but only has the VGA output ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 17 July 2012 07:28, Lester Caine wrote: > Anybody ACTUALLY using this board with Linux? I picked one up to test out, but > the reports about problems with the video site are quite correct. It's > unusable :( Yes, I am using it as my LinuxCNC development machine. What video problems are you having? I just did a simple LiveCD install of LinuxCNC 2.5, and it works fine. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Andrew wrote: > I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. > Anyone tested the latency? Anybody ACTUALLY using this board with Linux? I picked one up to test out, but the reports about problems with the video site are quite correct. It's unusable :( Would seem that it IS only usable with windows currently ... Fortunately there are other boards available that still use the older graphic chipsets, but the ITX boards are becoming a minefield! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? (BeagleBone q.)
Yishin Li wrote: >> >> I see. One more question: Pico-Systems' Universal PWM Controller also has >> > a FPGA on it. How does its firmware/source-code get distributed? > It is on an SST serial EEPROM on the board. I have a circuit that allows these to be read by the FPGA (newer Xilinx FPGAs know how to read these directly, the Spartan 2E needs some help.) The Universal Stepper Controller and UPC are the same board, different firmware. I consider the source code proprietary, so it is not an open-source project. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/5/23 Dave : > >> Probably the wrong page... >> >> http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom >> > > I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last sentence: > "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) fanless processor > with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX mainboard with digital > output, ideal for industrial applications that do not require an > extended production life." > > Can anyone explain, what do they mean? > > Probably means they will be making a different board next year, a little faster or something, or slightly different peripheral combination. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? (BeagleBone q.)
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:37 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 24 May 2012 00:23, Yishin Li wrote: > > > Releasing HDL of the FPGA design is another issue. IMHO, it doesn't help > > too much for the development by releasing the HDL source code. AFAIK, the > > hostmot2 logic is only maintained by mesa; there is no community for > > developing it yet. > > This is true, but a number of us can (and do) build custom firmware > combinations or change pinouts to suit specific requirements. > The Firmwares distributed with LinuxCNC are built by the project, not by > Mesa. > > I see. One more question: Pico-Systems' Universal PWM Controller also has a FPGA on it. How does its firmware/source-code get distributed? Yishin -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, 23 May 2012 16:57:16 -0400 "Kent A. Reed" wrote: > On 5/23/2012 4:33 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> 2012/5/23 Dave: > >>> Probably the wrong page... > >>> > >>> http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom > >> I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last > >> sentence: "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) > >> fanless processor with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX > >> mainboard with digital output, ideal for industrial applications > >> that do not require an extended production life." > >> > >> Can anyone explain, what do they mean? > > It means that like any other consumer electronic product, if you > > come back in two years and ask to buy one just like the one that > > is in your machine tool, they will laugh at you and ask why you > > want an antique. > > More particularly, it reflects the announcement by Intel that the > Atom Processor D2700 is in "end of life" status [already!]. > > > The consumer electronic world changes so fast that stuff is obsolete > > before the industrial world even has a chance to design it in. For > > machines that are expected to last a decade of more<...> > > The Intel Atom Processor N2800 will also reach "end of life" status > much sooner than ten years from now. There is nothing about shortened > production life in the LogicSupply description about the respective > board simply because at the moment the CPU is still in "launched" > status. > > I won't bore you with an enumeration of the products I own which > reached "end of life" long before I did. > > Regards, > Kent Well, that is positive news! :-) Dave > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the > latest in malware threats. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? (BeagleBone q.)
On 24 May 2012 00:23, Yishin Li wrote: > Releasing HDL of the FPGA design is another issue. IMHO, it doesn't help > too much for the development by releasing the HDL source code. AFAIK, the > hostmot2 logic is only maintained by mesa; there is no community for > developing it yet. This is true, but a number of us can (and do) build custom firmware combinations or change pinouts to suit specific requirements. The Firmwares distributed with LinuxCNC are built by the project, not by Mesa. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? (BeagleBone q.)
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Ralph Stirling < ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> wrote: > > > Our repositories are at github. Please refer to this wiki page to access > it: > > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ArtekBranch > > > > The BeagleBone related modifications are at "beagle" branch. > > I will prepare documentation about installing Ubuntu on BeagleBone. > > > > This is really very interesting news, Yishin. Are you going to release the > FPGA hdl as opensource (like Peter has done with hostmot2 logic for the > Mesa cards)? Are you going to have a USB/FPGA board available for > purchase? > > -- Ralph > > Ralph, I think Mesa's USB/FPGA board (7i43) is good; I've been using it on a few industrial automation machines and plasma cutters for more than 2 years. It's stable, it's with good quality, and it's cheap. Releasing HDL of the FPGA design is another issue. IMHO, it doesn't help too much for the development by releasing the HDL source code. AFAIK, the hostmot2 logic is only maintained by mesa; there is no community for developing it yet. We have plan to sell our HDL design with whole verification set. I think people who paid for it have more motivation to improve it. For people who would just like to use it, we have our firmware available on github repository. It's at configs/araisrobo/ directory. People could try it with laptop/PC and Mesa's 7i43 board. Yishin -- ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY www.araisrobo.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Yishin Li wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Greg Bernard >wrote: > > > Yishin- > > Do you actually have the Beaglebone running LinuxCNC? I know Jon Elson > has > > been waiting for a very long time for someone to write an RTAI kernel for > > that platform. > > > > Greg, > > Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf (hard-floating) > on BeagleBone. > The floating point performance is good for trajectory planning with 0.65ms > period. > As we moved the realtime time master from host into FPGA, we no longer need > RTAI. > What do you mean with this: that all the HAL RT modules that your application needs are running now in the FPGA?. Can you elaborate a litle about what parts are running in the beagle and what in the FPGA. I presume you have a non RT HAL module to interface the 7i43 through the USB port, haven't you?. I didn't know such kind things could be done using FPGA, although I think they must be really difficult and laborious. I'm really impressed. Javier PD: Isn't this an answer to the survival of LinuxCNC without a Linux RT (RTAI Xenomai or other alternative), and even to the latency killer hardware?. A posssible path to its extension to other OS? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? (BeagleBone q.)
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:41:01 +0800 > From: Yishin Li > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? > > Our repositories are at github. Please refer to this wiki page to access it: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ArtekBranch > > The BeagleBone related modifications are at "beagle" branch. > I will prepare documentation about installing Ubuntu on BeagleBone. > > Yishin > -- > ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY > www.araisrobo.com This is really very interesting news, Yishin. Are you going to release the FPGA hdl as opensource (like Peter has done with hostmot2 logic for the Mesa cards)? Are you going to have a USB/FPGA board available for purchase? -- Ralph -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/23/2012 4:33 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > >> 2012/5/23 Dave: >> >>> Probably the wrong page... >>> >>> http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom >>> >> I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last sentence: >> "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) fanless processor >> with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX mainboard with digital >> output, ideal for industrial applications that do not require an >> extended production life." >> >> Can anyone explain, what do they mean? >> > It means that like any other consumer electronic product, if you > come back in two years and ask to buy one just like the one that > is in your machine tool, they will laugh at you and ask why you > want an antique. > > The consumer electronic world changes so fast that stuff is obsolete > before the industrial world even has a chance to design it in. For > machines that are expected to last a decade or two, that can be a > nightmare. Their answer to that is usually a separate product line, > that has half the performance at five times the price, but will > remain in production for a long time. > > In that paragraph they are saying that if you need "an extended > production life", then this board is not for you. Get your wallet > out and go to the expensive industrial department. But if you won't > need to worry about replacing it a couple years from now, then it > would be good for an industrial application. > > > >>Get your wallet out and go to the expensive industrial department.<< Until the industrial company is bought up by the competition and that product line is "discontinued". ;-) "'In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." Benjamin Franklin - 1789 Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
I was in the market for a mini-ITX motherboard at the beginning of the year. I wanted that board, but it hadn't been released yet. I ended up getting a D2700 based one... http://www.mitxpc.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MBNC9KDL2700 I don't remember the numbers, but the latency was good. I did have some problems getting some device drivers working - things like the Sensor monitors. The CPU/Chipset was too new for the 10.04 kernel to know about them. Frank > -Original Message- > From: Andrew [mailto:parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 3:10 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? > > Hi everyone, > > I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. > http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop- > motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html > It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe > slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU! (8-19V DC input required). > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not in > MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. > Very thin board, all looks perfect. Costs $105. But the most important > question is: > Anyone tested the latency? > > Regards, > Andrew > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat > landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will > include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. > http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/23/2012 4:33 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: >> 2012/5/23 Dave: >>> Probably the wrong page... >>> >>> http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom >> I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last sentence: >> "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) fanless processor >> with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX mainboard with digital >> output, ideal for industrial applications that do not require an >> extended production life." >> >> Can anyone explain, what do they mean? > It means that like any other consumer electronic product, if you > come back in two years and ask to buy one just like the one that > is in your machine tool, they will laugh at you and ask why you > want an antique. More particularly, it reflects the announcement by Intel that the Atom Processor D2700 is in "end of life" status [already!]. > The consumer electronic world changes so fast that stuff is obsolete > before the industrial world even has a chance to design it in. For > machines that are expected to last a decade of more<...> The Intel Atom Processor N2800 will also reach "end of life" status much sooner than ten years from now. There is nothing about shortened production life in the LogicSupply description about the respective board simply because at the moment the CPU is still in "launched" status. I won't bore you with an enumeration of the products I own which reached "end of life" long before I did. Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
2012/5/23 John Kasunich : > Their answer to that is usually a separate product line, > that has half the performance at five times the price, but will > remain in production for a long time. Got it! It is meant to be the production life of the board itself, not its productive life, when used in industrial machine... -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, May 23, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2012/5/23 Dave : > > Probably the wrong page... > > > > http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom > > I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last sentence: > "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) fanless processor > with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX mainboard with digital > output, ideal for industrial applications that do not require an > extended production life." > > Can anyone explain, what do they mean? It means that like any other consumer electronic product, if you come back in two years and ask to buy one just like the one that is in your machine tool, they will laugh at you and ask why you want an antique. The consumer electronic world changes so fast that stuff is obsolete before the industrial world even has a chance to design it in. For machines that are expected to last a decade or two, that can be a nightmare. Their answer to that is usually a separate product line, that has half the performance at five times the price, but will remain in production for a long time. In that paragraph they are saying that if you need "an extended production life", then this board is not for you. Get your wallet out and go to the expensive industrial department. But if you won't need to worry about replacing it a couple years from now, then it would be good for an industrial application. -- John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Those 'options' are what card to plug into the pcie.. Here is the 525: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d525mw On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > Dave, > If you select any options, it says Jetway. > Eric > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Dave wrote: > >> Probably the wrong page... >> >> http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom >> >> Dave >> >> >> On 5/23/2012 3:50 PM, Eric Keller wrote: >> > when I looked on logicsupply, they were just selling jetways. Or am I >> > reading the page wrong? >> > >> > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dave wrote: >> > >> > >> >> On 5/23/2012 2:29 PM, Eric Keller wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it >> perfect >> to run in a vehicle. >> >> That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range >> power supply. >> >> I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board >> >> >> from >> >> >> >> >>> a vendor I know. Any recommendations? >> >>> Eric >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> For this board or a D525MW? >> >> >> >> Newegg sells the D525MW and you can find them on Amazon also. >> >> >> >> I haven't checked Amazon for the DN2800MT yet. But it is probably on >> >> Amazon now also. >> >> >> >> Logic supply has been around for a while. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy >> >> from them. >> >> >> >> I've spent hundreds/thousands with Mini-box.com over the years. No >> >> problems with them either. >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. >> Discussions >> >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in >> malware >> >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> >> ___ >> >> Emc-users mailing list >> >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> >> >> > >> -- >> > Live Security Virtual Conference >> > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> > ___ >> > Emc-users mailing list >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Dave, If you select any options, it says Jetway. Eric On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Dave wrote: > Probably the wrong page... > > http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom > > Dave > > > On 5/23/2012 3:50 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > > when I looked on logicsupply, they were just selling jetways. Or am I > > reading the page wrong? > > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dave wrote: > > > > > >> On 5/23/2012 2:29 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it > perfect > to run in a vehicle. > > That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range > power supply. > > I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board > > >> from > >> > > >>> a vendor I know. Any recommendations? > >>> Eric > >>> > >>> > >> > >> For this board or a D525MW? > >> > >> Newegg sells the D525MW and you can find them on Amazon also. > >> > >> I haven't checked Amazon for the DN2800MT yet.But it is probably on > >> Amazon now also. > >> > >> Logic supply has been around for a while. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy > >> from them. > >> > >> I've spent hundreds/thousands with Mini-box.com over the years. No > >> problems with them either. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > -- > >> Live Security Virtual Conference > >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. > Discussions > >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in > malware > >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > >> ___ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > >> > > > -- > > Live Security Virtual Conference > > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
2012/5/23 Dave : > Probably the wrong page... > > http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom I like their description for D2700MUD board. Especially last sentence: "2.13 GHz dual core Intel Atom D2700 (Cedar Trail) fanless processor with integrated graphics. Low-power Mini-ITX mainboard with digital output, ideal for industrial applications that do not require an extended production life." Can anyone explain, what do they mean? -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Probably the wrong page... http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/intel_atom Dave On 5/23/2012 3:50 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > when I looked on logicsupply, they were just selling jetways. Or am I > reading the page wrong? > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dave wrote: > > >> On 5/23/2012 2:29 PM, Eric Keller wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: >>> >>> >>> That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it perfect to run in a vehicle. That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range power supply. I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board >> from >> >>> a vendor I know. Any recommendations? >>> Eric >>> >>> >> >> For this board or a D525MW? >> >> Newegg sells the D525MW and you can find them on Amazon also. >> >> I haven't checked Amazon for the DN2800MT yet.But it is probably on >> Amazon now also. >> >> Logic supply has been around for a while. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy >> from them. >> >> I've spent hundreds/thousands with Mini-box.com over the years. No >> problems with them either. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -- >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
when I looked on logicsupply, they were just selling jetways. Or am I reading the page wrong? On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Dave wrote: > On 5/23/2012 2:29 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: > > > > > >> > >> That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it perfect > >> to run in a vehicle. > >> > >> That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range > >> power supply. > >> > >> I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board > from > >> > > a vendor I know. Any recommendations? > > Eric > > > > > For this board or a D525MW? > > Newegg sells the D525MW and you can find them on Amazon also. > > I haven't checked Amazon for the DN2800MT yet.But it is probably on > Amazon now also. > > Logic supply has been around for a while. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy > from them. > > I've spent hundreds/thousands with Mini-box.com over the years. No > problems with them either. > > Dave > > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/23/2012 2:29 PM, Eric Keller wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: > > >> >> That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it perfect >> to run in a vehicle. >> >> That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range >> power supply. >> >> I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board from >> > a vendor I know. Any recommendations? > Eric > For this board or a D525MW? Newegg sells the D525MW and you can find them on Amazon also. I haven't checked Amazon for the DN2800MT yet.But it is probably on Amazon now also. Logic supply has been around for a while. I wouldn't be hesitant to buy from them. I've spent hundreds/thousands with Mini-box.com over the years. No problems with them either. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Dave wrote: > > > That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it perfect > to run in a vehicle. > > That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range > power supply. > > I was having a little bit of a problem finding an Intel branded board from a vendor I know. Any recommendations? Eric -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/23/2012 12:18 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > Dave wrote: > >> That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range >> power supply. >> >> > The AC-input supplies for these micro-ITX boards are quite cheap. You > can get > a mini case with power supply and front panel buttons and indicators for > less than $50. The DC-input supplies are more expensive. > > Jon > > I have had bad luck with cheap case/power supply combos, so I avoid them like the plague. If you read the hardware reviews you can generally figure out the junk power supplies from the good ones. The junk power supplies will barely make it beyond the warranty period. If I put a PC into a machine, I don't want to get a call back on that PC for at least 2 years, preferably 3 or more, otherwise my reputation takes a hit and it jeopardizes future work. Most of these PCs are never turned off. Intel is warranting their boards for 3 years now, so if the power supply holds up, all should be good for at least 2 years after the initial burn in. The wide range input DC supplies are quite expensive. http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC For instance the M3-ATX and the M4-ATX are nice power supplies but they are pricey at $69 to $89. I have an M4-ATX and while it does work well, it is still $89. The M3-ATX is good for 6-24 volts with 6 volts only being ok for short periods (while cranking the engine). This new Intel board is good for 8-19 volts DC +/-10% and normally a car with a good battery and starter will not drop below 8 volts while cranking so this board could be run directly off a car electrical system without a power supply, and it should survive an engine startup - saving $69 for the M3-ATX. I think that Mini-box just lost a bunch of business! That board is also very low power. A lot less than a D525MW. Good for mobile applications. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Dave wrote: > That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range > power supply. > The AC-input supplies for these micro-ITX boards are quite cheap. You can get a mini case with power supply and front panel buttons and indicators for less than $50. The DC-input supplies are more expensive. Jon -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
cool, thanks Yishin. I don't yet have a BeagleBone but I would like to shrink my whole setup, so I will eventually try this out. - Claude On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Yishin Li wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Claude Zervas wrote: > >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Yishin Li wrote: >> > Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf >> (hard-floating) >> > on BeagleBone. >> >... >> >> Yishin, >> That is fantastic! Any chance you will release a public distribution >> of your port of LinuxCNC to the BeagleBone (with some instructions on >> how to build it)? >> thanks, >> - Claude >> >> Claude, > > Our repositories are at github. Please refer to this wiki page to access it: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ArtekBranch > > The BeagleBone related modifications are at "beagle" branch. > I will prepare documentation about installing Ubuntu on BeagleBone. > > Yishin > -- > ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY > www.araisrobo.com > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Claude Zervas wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Yishin Li wrote: > > Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf > (hard-floating) > > on BeagleBone. > >... > > Yishin, > That is fantastic! Any chance you will release a public distribution > of your port of LinuxCNC to the BeagleBone (with some instructions on > how to build it)? > thanks, > - Claude > > Claude, Our repositories are at github. Please refer to this wiki page to access it: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ArtekBranch The BeagleBone related modifications are at "beagle" branch. I will prepare documentation about installing Ubuntu on BeagleBone. Yishin -- ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY www.araisrobo.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Yishin Li wrote: > Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf (hard-floating) > on BeagleBone. >... Yishin, That is fantastic! Any chance you will release a public distribution of your port of LinuxCNC to the BeagleBone (with some instructions on how to build it)? thanks, - Claude -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Greg Bernard wrote: > Yishin- > Do you actually have the Beaglebone running LinuxCNC? I know Jon Elson has > been waiting for a very long time for someone to write an RTAI kernel for > that platform. > > Greg, Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf (hard-floating) on BeagleBone. The floating point performance is good for trajectory planning with 0.65ms period. As we moved the realtime time master from host into FPGA, we no longer need RTAI. We just need typical Ubuntu with USB support. Yishin -- ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY www.araisrobo.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Yishin- Do you actually have the Beaglebone running LinuxCNC? I know Jon Elson has been waiting for a very long time for someone to write an RTAI kernel for that platform. +++ We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy -- sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. -Thomas Edison, inventor (1847-1931) > > From: Yishin Li >To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:39 PM >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star? > >On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Viesturs Lācis >wrote: > >> > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not >> > in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. >> >> Is there a PCIe-to-PCI adapter available? >> >> > >> > Anyone tested the latency? >> > >> >> Latency _should_ be very good. >> >> But I doubt that I will buy this board as it has not pci slot. >> >> Viesturs, > >Maybe you could consider BeagleBone with Mesa's 7i43/USB board. >I saw smooth stepper motion with above combination. >As it's with USB interface, it could work with modern laptop or netbook. > >Yishin >-- >ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY >www.araisrobo.com >-- >Live Security Virtual Conference >Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >___ >Emc-users mailing list >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not > > in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. > > Is there a PCIe-to-PCI adapter available? > > > > > Anyone tested the latency? > > > > Latency _should_ be very good. > > But I doubt that I will buy this board as it has not pci slot. > > Viesturs, Maybe you could consider BeagleBone with Mesa's 7i43/USB board. I saw smooth stepper motion with above combination. As it's with USB interface, it could work with modern laptop or netbook. Yishin -- ARAIS ROBOT TECHNOLOGY www.araisrobo.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: > On 5/22/2012 5:19 PM, andy pugh wrote: > >> On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reed wrote: >> >> >>> While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and >>> hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no >>> drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS uses the generic VESA >>> driver for X.org, >>> >> Software-OpenGL and Vesa graphics are both common suggestions for >> reducing latency problems, so that might actually be a plus for us, >> especially if the problems make them very cheap :-) >> >> >> > True, True, and at these current board speeds they no longer feel like > constraints. > > More important for me is the continued presence of a VGA port when I'm > using the onboard graphics. I'm sure VGA will soon disappear altogether > since most of the home theater crowd no longer has a need. Not a game > stopper, just another irritant for those of us with antiquated hardware > begging to be reused. > > Of course there's still the BIOS lying in wait. The DN2800MT BIOS has > gone through 3 revisions already. So far, none of the issues that have > been fixed look like they would affect us. > > At the risk of boring y'all, I'll quote Ronald Reagan once again "Trust > but verify." > > Regards, > Kent > > > > That board is really low power and the wide input range makes it perfect to run in a vehicle. That board is considerable cheaper than a D525 and a wide input range power supply. Intel is taunting me again... I think I need one. :-) Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/22/2012 5:19 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reed wrote: > >> While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and >> hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no >> drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS uses the generic VESA >> driver for X.org, > Software-OpenGL and Vesa graphics are both common suggestions for > reducing latency problems, so that might actually be a plus for us, > especially if the problems make them very cheap :-) > > True, True, and at these current board speeds they no longer feel like constraints. More important for me is the continued presence of a VGA port when I'm using the onboard graphics. I'm sure VGA will soon disappear altogether since most of the home theater crowd no longer has a need. Not a game stopper, just another irritant for those of us with antiquated hardware begging to be reused. Of course there's still the BIOS lying in wait. The DN2800MT BIOS has gone through 3 revisions already. So far, none of the issues that have been fixed look like they would affect us. At the risk of boring y'all, I'll quote Ronald Reagan once again "Trust but verify." Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:19 PM, andy pugh wrote: > > Software-OpenGL and Vesa graphics are both common suggestions for > reducing latency problems, so that might actually be a plus for us, > especially if the problems make them very cheap :-) > > That's what I was thinking, although I doubt it's going to make the boards any cheaper. I really wish the chipmakers would give up on these crazy closed architectures, it seems counter-productive. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reed wrote: > While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and > hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no > drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS uses the generic VESA > driver for X.org, Software-OpenGL and Vesa graphics are both common suggestions for reducing latency problems, so that might actually be a plus for us, especially if the problems make them very cheap :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/22/2012 2:43 PM, Dave wrote: > On 5/22/2012 1:10 PM, Andrew wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. >> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html >> It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe >> slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU! (8-19V DC input >> required). >> PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not >> in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. >> Very thin board, all looks perfect. Costs $105. But the most important >> question is: >> Anyone tested the latency? >> >> Regards, >> Andrew >> -- >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> > Google: dn2800mt linux > > There seems to be video issues with this board. > > I really like the wide voltage range on the power supply input. That > would be good for battery powered apps. > > Dave > From the LogicSupply.com site: --- "As of February 2012, due to driver limitations of the PowerVR graphics processing unit (GPU) core used in Intel’s Cedarview processors, operating system support is currently limited to Windows 7 and Windows 8 32-bit versions. While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS uses the generic VESA driver for X.org, thus Graphical User Interfaces still function, but users may experience sluggish performance, limited screen resolutions, video tearing, and playback for fullscreen or high-definition videos will stutter or freeze. There are no available drivers for Windows 7 64-bit operating systems. As a result, Logic Supply does not currently offer support for Windows 7 64-bit or Ubuntu Linux 10.04 installed on Cedarview boards or guarantee functionality of these operating systems on boards purchased by our customers. This restriction may change as newer driver updates are released, and we’ll do our best to stay on top of it." --- As ever, a new generation of cpu technology brings a new generation of problems. Note that earlier 32-bit Windows and all 64-bit Windows are excluded also, so it's not just Linux-fanboys they are diss'ing. The nettop market is lucrative but it sure is tough on the rest of us. Since I often run my boards with a remote X-server this GPU may not be an issue for me. Comparing the DN2800MT block diagram with that of the D525MW, I don't see great differences in the layout of the blocks. Both use the NM10 Express chip set and a W83627DHG-A based Legacy I/O controller (which drives the parallel port) although the brand name of this controller changed from Winbond to Nuvoton. The PS/2 keyboard/mouse ports have disappeared and they've reverted to an onboard parallel-port header (ala the D510MO). The loss of the PCI slot has already been mentioned. I don't like to count my chickens before they're hatched, but it looks like this board may be acceptable within the limits of PCIe. Regards, Kent -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
On 5/22/2012 1:10 PM, Andrew wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. > http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html > It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe > slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU! (8-19V DC input > required). > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not > in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. > Very thin board, all looks perfect. Costs $105. But the most important > question is: > Anyone tested the latency? > > Regards, > Andrew > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > Google: dn2800mt linux There seems to be video issues with this board. I really like the wide voltage range on the power supply input. That would be good for battery powered apps. Dave -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
2012/5/22 Andrew : > Hi everyone, > > I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. > http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html > It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe > slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU! (8-19V DC input > required). 8-19V DC input = perfect for car-PC. > PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not > in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. Is there a PCIe-to-PCI adapter available? > > Anyone tested the latency? > Latency _should_ be very good. But I doubt that I will buy this board as it has not pci slot. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?
Hi everyone, I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU! (8-19V DC input required). PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. Very thin board, all looks perfect. Costs $105. But the most important question is: Anyone tested the latency? Regards, Andrew -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
