Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Todd Zuercher]

It is probably exactly the same control,  all the tags in the cabinet say 
Heidenhain.



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: andrew beck 
Date: 11/10/19 12:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

I'm doing a retrofit of a 2001 chevalier with a heidenhain control that
looks very similar to the anilam control.  It has a all in one servo unit.
That is dead.  From a power strike..  You can get boards from Germany for
them.  I'm using chinese servos and drives and a vfd for the spindle.  But
I'm just learning so don't copy me lol.

But the machines are fine.  Mine has a spindle chiller and all the bells
and whistles.

Regards

Andrew

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 11:50 AM Todd Zuercher  wrote:

> Well, we went to look at the 2001 Chevalier.   While the machine looks
> nice, it appears to be brain dead.  The Anilam 6400M control shows no signs
> of life.  We were told it died after a storm.  Unfortunately the servo
> drives appear to be tightly integrated with the control probably making it
> a poor retrofit candidate.
>
> Anyone familiar with the last generation of Anilam controls or do a
> retrofit of one?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Todd Zuercher 
> Date: 11/6/19 6:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> That is the plan.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 4:20 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd get
> it. It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.
>
> On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam
> 6400 M control.
> > Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says
> it powers up but won't run because of no air.
> > Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating
> her husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she
> has to sell. Asking $6000 obo.
> >
> > Todd Zuercher
> > P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> > 630 Henry Street
> > Dalton, Ohio 44618
> > Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: bari 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> >
> > Hi Stuart,
> >
> > The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised
> me as well.
> >
> > Spindle Taper: BT45
> >
> > They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just
> about anything.
> >
> > Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours
> drive from me for cheap.
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-c
> > ontrol/283531831618
> > $2k
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-5
> > 5-table/201871869576
> > $4.5K
> >
> > -Bari
> >
> > On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
> >>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
> >>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
> >>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at
> >> that price.
> >> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is
> >> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
> >>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
> >> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
> >>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid
> >> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you
> want.
> >>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that
> >> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
> >> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It
> >> will make a lot of parts for you.
> >> Just my two cents.
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/26

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Joe H]

There was a posting here a few years ago of a retrofit of two CNC milling
machines with Anilam controls.
It was done on 3300 and 1100 versions.
Scott did a very thorough documentation of it.

http://code.google.com/p/sector67-sandbox/wiki/ProjectSheetCake
http://code.google.com/p/sector67-sandbox/wiki/SheetCakeBuildLog


On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:07 AM andrew beck 
wrote:

> I'm doing a retrofit of a 2001 chevalier with a heidenhain control that
> looks very similar to the anilam control.  It has a all in one servo unit.
> That is dead.  From a power strike..  You can get boards from Germany for
> them.  I'm using chinese servos and drives and a vfd for the spindle.  But
> I'm just learning so don't copy me lol.
>
> But the machines are fine.  Mine has a spindle chiller and all the bells
> and whistles.
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 11:50 AM Todd Zuercher 
> wrote:
>
> > Well, we went to look at the 2001 Chevalier.   While the machine looks
> > nice, it appears to be brain dead.  The Anilam 6400M control shows no
> signs
> > of life.  We were told it died after a storm.  Unfortunately the servo
> > drives appear to be tightly integrated with the control probably making
> it
> > a poor retrofit candidate.
> >
> > Anyone familiar with the last generation of Anilam controls or do a
> > retrofit of one?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> >  Original message ----
> > From: Todd Zuercher 
> > Date: 11/6/19 6:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> >
> > That is the plan.
> >
> > Todd Zuercher
> > P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> > 630 Henry Street
> > Dalton, Ohio 44618
> > Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: bari 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 4:20 PM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> >
> > Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd
> get
> > it. It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.
> >
> > On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > > How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam
> > 6400 M control.
> > > Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says
> > it powers up but won't run because of no air.
> > > Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating
> > her husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine
> she
> > has to sell. Asking $6000 obo.
> > >
> > > Todd Zuercher
> > > P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> > > 630 Henry Street
> > > Dalton, Ohio 44618
> > > Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: bari 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> > >
> > > Hi Stuart,
> > >
> > > The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised
> > me as well.
> > >
> > > Spindle Taper: BT45
> > >
> > > They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just
> > about anything.
> > >
> > > Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours
> > drive from me for cheap.
> > >
> > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-c
> > > ontrol/283531831618
> > > $2k
> > >
> > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-5
> > > 5-table/201871869576
> > > $4.5K
> > >
> > > -Bari
> > >
> > > On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > >> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
> > >>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
> > >>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
> > >>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at
> > >> that price.
> > >> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is
> > >> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
> > >>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
> > >> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
> > >>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid
> > >> machine. It is a 50 

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[andrew beck]

I'm doing a retrofit of a 2001 chevalier with a heidenhain control that
looks very similar to the anilam control.  It has a all in one servo unit.
That is dead.  From a power strike..  You can get boards from Germany for
them.  I'm using chinese servos and drives and a vfd for the spindle.  But
I'm just learning so don't copy me lol.

But the machines are fine.  Mine has a spindle chiller and all the bells
and whistles.

Regards

Andrew

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019, 11:50 AM Todd Zuercher  wrote:

> Well, we went to look at the 2001 Chevalier.   While the machine looks
> nice, it appears to be brain dead.  The Anilam 6400M control shows no signs
> of life.  We were told it died after a storm.  Unfortunately the servo
> drives appear to be tightly integrated with the control probably making it
> a poor retrofit candidate.
>
> Anyone familiar with the last generation of Anilam controls or do a
> retrofit of one?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Todd Zuercher 
> Date: 11/6/19 6:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> That is the plan.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 4:20 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd get
> it. It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.
>
> On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam
> 6400 M control.
> > Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says
> it powers up but won't run because of no air.
> > Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating
> her husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she
> has to sell. Asking $6000 obo.
> >
> > Todd Zuercher
> > P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> > 630 Henry Street
> > Dalton, Ohio 44618
> > Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: bari 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> >
> > Hi Stuart,
> >
> > The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised
> me as well.
> >
> > Spindle Taper: BT45
> >
> > They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just
> about anything.
> >
> > Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours
> drive from me for cheap.
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-c
> > ontrol/283531831618
> > $2k
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-5
> > 5-table/201871869576
> > $4.5K
> >
> > -Bari
> >
> > On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
> >>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
> >>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
> >>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at
> >> that price.
> >> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is
> >> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
> >>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
> >> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
> >>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid
> >> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you
> want.
> >>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that
> >> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
> >> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It
> >> will make a lot of parts for you.
> >> Just my two cents.
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only
> >>> $2500 or best and still works.
> >>>
> >>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
> >>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM,

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 November 2019 17:46:51 Todd Zuercher wrote:

> Well, we went to look at the 2001 Chevalier.   While the machine looks
> nice, it appears to be brain dead.  The Anilam 6400M control shows no
> signs of life.

Making it a great candidate to be inspected for a blown fuse.

> We were told it died after a storm.  Unfortunately the 
> servo drives appear to be tightly integrated with the control probably
> making it a poor retrofit candidate.
>
> Anyone familiar with the last generation of Anilam controls or do a
> retrofit of one?


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Todd Zuercher]

Well, we went to look at the 2001 Chevalier.   While the machine looks nice, it 
appears to be brain dead.  The Anilam 6400M control shows no signs of life.  We 
were told it died after a storm.  Unfortunately the servo drives appear to be 
tightly integrated with the control probably making it a poor retrofit 
candidate.

Anyone familiar with the last generation of Anilam controls or do a retrofit of 
one?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Todd Zuercher 
Date: 11/6/19 6:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

That is the plan.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: bari 
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 4:20 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd get it. 
It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.

On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam 6400 M 
> control.
> Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says it 
> powers up but won't run because of no air.
> Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating her 
> husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she has to 
> sell. Asking $6000 obo.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised me as 
> well.
>
> Spindle Taper: BT45
>
> They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just about 
> anything.
>
> Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours drive 
> from me for cheap.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-c
> ontrol/283531831618
> $2k
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-5
> 5-table/201871869576
> $4.5K
>
> -Bari
>
> On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at
>> that price.
>> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is
>> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
>> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid
>> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that
>> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
>> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It
>> will make a lot of parts for you.
>> Just my two cents.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>>
>>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only
>>> $2500 or best and still works.
>>>
>>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight
>>>> and
>>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10
>>> years ago.
>>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so
>>>> I'm
>>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it
>>>> would be
>>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer,
>>> that would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)
>>> But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-
>>> S ide-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>>> I really don't k

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Dave Cole]

Hass seems to have a good service organization and that can be a big 
deal if you have a breakdown on  a critical machine and can't repair it 
yourself.


Dave


On 11/6/2019 10:51 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

On 11/06/2019 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight 
and was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 
10 years ago.


The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so 
I'm pretty sure it has full 3 axis.


The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would 
be a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, 
that would have a serviceable control as is. (and he may be right.)  
But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.


Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET 



Haas have lightweight linear roller guideways which causes short 
working life.  I was astonished to see the same size guideways on a 10 
Hp Haas milling machine we got at work as I have on my pick and place 
machine which has no
cutting forces at all!  People who use them do love their controls, 
however.


Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Jon Elson]

On 11/06/2019 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:

The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight and was in 
good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 years ago.

The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so I'm pretty 
sure it has full 3 axis.

The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would be a 
better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, that would have 
a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  But I was kind of looking 
forward to the challenge.

Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET

Haas have lightweight linear roller guideways which causes 
short working life.  I was astonished to see the same size 
guideways on a 10 Hp Haas milling machine we got at work as 
I have on my pick and place machine which has no
cutting forces at all!  People who use them do love their 
controls, however.


Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

I may still have one #35 taper tool holder. May be NMTB style. I used to have 
two, managed to sell one. Like certain other oddballs that were rarely used, 
such as 4C, you'll pay a premium for tooling and variety will be poor. If you 
need larger than #30, go with #40. If you just can't pass up a machine with a 
#35 taper, do some checking to see if there's a way to modify it to #40.
 
Of course with a CNC lathe or machining center you can make any #35 tooling you 
need. Can even do it on the mill by mounting cutters to the table to use the 
mill as a vertical lathe. There's a video on Youtube of someone doing that to 
make 3/4" straight shank TTS toolholders.

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 11:17:41 AM MST, TERRY Christophersen 
 wrote:  
 BT 35 holders are more than 40taper. 
Just something to think about
I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher  wrote:
> 
>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
>> We are considering buying this.
>> 
>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html
> 
> 
> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that it
> has a toolchanger.
> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.  
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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Todd Zuercher]

That is the plan.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: bari  
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 4:20 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd get it. 
It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.

On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam 6400 M 
> control.
> Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says it 
> powers up but won't run because of no air.
> Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating her 
> husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she has to 
> sell. Asking $6000 obo.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised me as 
> well.
>
> Spindle Taper: BT45
>
> They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just about 
> anything.
>
> Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours drive 
> from me for cheap.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-c
> ontrol/283531831618
> $2k
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-5
> 5-table/201871869576
> $4.5K
>
> -Bari
>
> On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at 
>> that price.
>> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is 
>> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too 
>> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid 
>> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that 
>> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
>> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It 
>> will make a lot of parts for you.
>> Just my two cents.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>>
>>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only
>>> $2500 or best and still works.
>>>
>>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight 
>>>> and
>>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 
>>> years ago.
>>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so 
>>>> I'm
>>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it 
>>>> would be
>>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, 
>>> that would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.) 
>>> But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-
>>> S ide-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>>> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
>>> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
>>>> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
>>> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>>>> Todd Zuercher
>>>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
>>>> 630 Henry Street
>>>> Dalton, Ohio 44618
>>>> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: TERRY Christophersen 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
>>>> To: Enhanced 

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[bari]

Found more specs and a video:

https://520machinerywest.com/2000-chevalier-2040-vmc-l-cnc-vertical-machining-center/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM2QbeaJvU4

On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam 6400 M 
> control.
> Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says it 
> powers up but won't run because of no air.
> Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating her 
> husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she has to 
> sell. Asking $6000 obo.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street 
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised me as 
> well.
>
> Spindle Taper: BT45
>
> They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just about 
> anything.
>
> Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours drive 
> from me for cheap.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-control/283531831618
> $2k
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-55-table/201871869576
> $4.5K
>
> -Bari
>
> On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at 
>> that price.
>> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is 
>> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too 
>> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid 
>> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that 
>> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
>> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It 
>> will make a lot of parts for you.
>> Just my two cents.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>>
>>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only 
>>> $2500 or best and still works.
>>>
>>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight 
>>>> and
>>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 
>>> years ago.
>>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so 
>>>> I'm
>>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would 
>>>> be
>>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, 
>>> that would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  
>>> But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-S
>>> ide-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>>> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
>>> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
>>>> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
>>> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>>>> Todd Zuercher
>>>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
>>>> 630 Henry Street
>>>> Dalton, Ohio 44618
>>>> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: TERRY Christophersen 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
>>>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>>>>
>>>> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
>>>> Just something to think about
>>>> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[bari]

Here is one on ebay for caparison and specs
https://www.ebay.com/c/1923037192  ~$10K

On 11/6/19 2:03 PM, Marshland Engineering wrote:
> That is a big machine and will cost a fortune in time to convert it over. If
> you have done one before, fine. 
>
> The main issue is, it is open. I have an open mill and it plays havoc with my
> health. I have now narrowed down my cough to when I'm running my mill with
> flood coolant. The 3 times the price is probably good if it works well and you
> can find a service technician.  The retrofit means you can repair it in the
> future. If you don't get it going, its 3K that is waisted. I know I have 2
> machines here waiting for a CNC refit, 8+ years. 
>
> Cheers Wallace.
>
>
>
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[bari]

Being so close and if it works (bring a big compressor to try it). I'd
get it. It has linear way vs box and 6K rpm CAT40 spindle.

On 11/6/19 2:50 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam 6400 M 
> control.
> Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says it 
> powers up but won't run because of no air.
> Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating her 
> husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she has to 
> sell. Asking $6000 obo.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street 
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bari  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised me as 
> well.
>
> Spindle Taper: BT45
>
> They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just about 
> anything.
>
> Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours drive 
> from me for cheap.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-control/283531831618
> $2k
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-55-table/201871869576
> $4.5K
>
> -Bari
>
> On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at 
>> that price.
>> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is 
>> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too 
>> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid 
>> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that 
>> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
>> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It 
>> will make a lot of parts for you.
>> Just my two cents.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>>
>>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only 
>>> $2500 or best and still works.
>>>
>>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight 
>>>> and
>>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 
>>> years ago.
>>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so 
>>>> I'm
>>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would 
>>>> be
>>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, 
>>> that would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  
>>> But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-S
>>> ide-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>>> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
>>> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
>>>> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
>>> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>>>> Todd Zuercher
>>>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
>>>> 630 Henry Street
>>>> Dalton, Ohio 44618
>>>> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: TERRY Christophersen 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
>>>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>>>>
>>>> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
>>>> Just something to think about
>>>> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[David Berndt]

Retrofit and keep all the fanuc hardware/motors?

Production shop or hobby?

What's your tolerance for a working machine vs a project?

Three Phase available?


I think the hardware looks snazzy, I'd dubious about it actually being  
bt35, guessing more like a 40 taper. For myself I'd strip the  
control/drives/motor and repower it with single phase capable more modern  
servos systems, but that's a very home-garage specific view of it.


Dave

On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 11:28:53 -0500, Todd Zuercher   
wrote:



How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
We are considering buying this.
https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031


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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Todd Zuercher]

How about a Chevalier 2040 VMCL Vertical Machining Center with Anilam 6400 M 
control.
Found one just a few miles from us.  Probably go look at it.  Add says it 
powers up but won't run because of no air.
Very nice clean looking machine from the photos.  Widow is liquidating her 
husband's shop (he passed a year ago) and this is the last machine she has to 
sell. Asking $6000 obo.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: bari  
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 2:08 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

Hi Stuart,

The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised me as 
well.

Spindle Taper: BT45

They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just about 
anything.

Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours drive 
from me for cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-control/283531831618
$2k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-55-table/201871869576
$4.5K

-Bari

On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at 
> that price.
> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is 
> box ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too 
> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid 
> machine. It is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that 
> might be just fine for the work you expect to do.
> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It 
> will make a lot of parts for you.
> Just my two cents.
> Stuart
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>
>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only 
>> $2500 or best and still works.
>>
>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight 
>>> and
>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 
>> years ago.
>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so 
>>> I'm
>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would 
>>> be
>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, 
>> that would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  
>> But I was kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-S
>> ide-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
>> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
>>> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
>> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>>> Todd Zuercher
>>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
>>> 630 Henry Street
>>> Dalton, Ohio 44618
>>> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: TERRY Christophersen 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
>>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>>>
>>> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
>>> Just something to think about
>>> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher 
>> wrote:
>>>>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 
>>>>> 60A
>> be.
>>>>> We are considering buying this.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-ce
>>>>> nte
>>>>> r-supermax/7010042462.html
>>>> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It

Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Marshland Engineering]

That is a big machine and will cost a fortune in time to convert it over. If
you have done one before, fine. 

The main issue is, it is open. I have an open mill and it plays havoc with my
health. I have now narrowed down my cough to when I'm running my mill with
flood coolant. The 3 times the price is probably good if it works well and you
can find a service technician.  The retrofit means you can repair it in the
future. If you don't get it going, its 3K that is waisted. I know I have 2
machines here waiting for a CNC refit, 8+ years. 

Cheers Wallace.



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[bari]

Hi Stuart,

The Matsuura MC-1000V5  Spindle Speed: 3,600 RPM Geared Head. Surprised
me as well.

Spindle Taper: BT45

They are beasts. I have a slightly smaller 710V that I use for just
about anything.

Wish it was closer but there are several smaller ones within an hours
drive from me for cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-MATSUURA-MC-500V-CNC-with-YASNAC-3000G-control/283531831618
 
$2k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-MC-1000-VX-vertical-milling-center-55-table/201871869576
 
$4.5K

-Bari

On 11/6/19 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
>  The Supermax should be an ok machine.
>  The Haas will be fine for most things.
>  If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at that
> price.
> I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is box
> ways and they look good then it will be fine.
>  The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
> expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
>  My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid machine. It
> is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
>  The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that might
> be just fine for the work you expect to do.
> The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It will
> make a lot of parts for you.
> Just my two cents.
> Stuart
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:
>
>> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only $2500
>> or best and still works.
>>
>> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
>> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
>>> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight and
>> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 years
>> ago.
>>> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so I'm
>> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
>>> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would be
>> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, that
>> would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  But I was
>> kind of looking forward to the challenge.
>>> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
>>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
>>> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
>> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
>>> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
>> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>>> Todd Zuercher
>>> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
>>> 630 Henry Street
>>> Dalton, Ohio 44618
>>> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: TERRY Christophersen 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
>>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>>>
>>> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
>>> Just something to think about
>>> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher 
>> wrote:
>>>>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A
>> be.
>>>>> We are considering buying this.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-cente
>>>>> r-supermax/7010042462.html
>>>> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that
>>>> it has a toolchanger.
>>>> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
>>>> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> atp
>>>> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
>>>> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
>> lunatics."
>>>> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

[Stuart Stevenson]

The Matsuura will cut anything. Probably not more than 2000 rpm.
 The Supermax should be an ok machine.
 The Haas will be fine for most things.
 If the box ways on the Matsuura look good then you can't beat it at that
price.
I don't know if the Supermax is box ways or linear guides. If it is box
ways and they look good then it will be fine.
 The Haas will be linear guides. Pretty easily replaced and not too
expensive unless the prices have gone up lately.
 My preference would be the Matsuura as it will be a very solid machine. It
is a 50 taper machine and you can push it as hard as you want.
 The 35 taper will limit the size of tooling you can use. But, that might
be just fine for the work you expect to do.
The Haas is a 40 taper. And will cut like a light duty 40 taper. It will
make a lot of parts for you.
Just my two cents.
Stuart

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:40 PM bari  wrote:

> Another option for low bucks and not too far:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only $2500
> or best and still works.
>
> “Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
> Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”
>
>
> On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight and
> was in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 years
> ago.
> >
> > The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so I'm
> pretty sure it has full 3 axis.
> >
> > The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would be
> a better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, that
> would have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  But I was
> kind of looking forward to the challenge.
> >
> > Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
> > I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my
> experience is with wood working CNC routers.
> > Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of
> approximately year 2001 vintage?
> >
> > Todd Zuercher
> > P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> > 630 Henry Street
> > Dalton, Ohio 44618
> > Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: TERRY Christophersen 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
> >
> > BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
> > Just something to think about
> > I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A
> be.
> >>> We are considering buying this.
> >>>
> >>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-cente
> >>> r-supermax/7010042462.html
> >>
> >> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that
> >> it has a toolchanger.
> >> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
> >> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> >> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
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[bari]

Another option for low bucks and not too far:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Matsuura-MC1000V5/264284983596  only $2500
or best and still works.

“Machine is located in MD and is still under power for inspection.
Machine has been in a family owned shop and has been treated well.”


On 11/6/19 12:32 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight and was 
> in good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 years ago.  
>
> The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so I'm pretty 
> sure it has full 3 axis.
>
> The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would be a 
> better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, that would 
> have a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  But I was kind of 
> looking forward to the challenge. 
>
> Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
> I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my experience 
> is with wood working CNC routers.
> Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of 
> approximately year 2001 vintage?
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street 
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -Original Message-
> From: TERRY Christophersen  
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?
>
> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper. 
> Just something to think about
> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher  wrote:
>>
>>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
>>> We are considering buying this.
>>>
>>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-cente
>>> r-supermax/7010042462.html
>>
>> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that 
>> it has a toolchanger.
>> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that 
>> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
>>
>> --
>> atp
>> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is 
>> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and 
>> lunatics."
>> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
>>
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[Todd Zuercher]

The seller who is the original owner says that the machine is tight and was in 
good operating condition when it was pulled from service 10 years ago.  

The machine was used primarily for mold making back in the day, so I'm pretty 
sure it has full 3 axis.

The main decision maker is having cold feet, now and thinks it would be a 
better plan to buy something 4x as expensive and 20years newer, that would have 
a serviceable control as is.  (and he may be right.)  But I was kind of looking 
forward to the challenge. 

Now He thinks this might be a better deal for us.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Haas-VF-2-D-Vertical-Machining-Center-Side-Mount-ATC/323966324202?hash=item4b6de5cdea:g:LH0AAOSw7RtdvDET
I really don't know much about metal working machines, all of my experience is 
with wood working CNC routers.
Anyone here familiar with Haas VF-2 machines, and their controls of 
approximately year 2001 vintage?

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

-Original Message-
From: TERRY Christophersen  
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 1:14 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Machine For Conversion?

BT 35 holders are more than 40taper. 
Just something to think about
I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher  wrote:
> 
>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
>> We are considering buying this.
>> 
>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-cente
>> r-supermax/7010042462.html
> 
> 
> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that 
> it has a toolchanger.
> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that 
> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
> 
> --
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is 
> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and 
> lunatics."
> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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[Sam Sokolik]

When we got our matsuura (bt35) we where told that too - that tooling would
be expensive and hard to find.  After keeping an eye on ebay we have all
the tooling we would ever need.  (and it was pretty inexpensive)

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:17 PM TERRY Christophersen 
wrote:

> BT 35 holders are more than 40taper.
> Just something to think about
> I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher 
> wrote:
> >
> >> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
> >> We are considering buying this.
> >>
> >>
> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html
> >
> >
> > I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that it
> > has a toolchanger.
> > Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
> > shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
> >
> > --
> > atp
> > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed
> > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics."
> > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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[TERRY Christophersen]

BT 35 holders are more than 40taper. 
Just something to think about
I have a Kitamura with 35 taper.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:40 AM, andy pugh  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher  wrote:
> 
>> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
>> We are considering buying this.
>> 
>> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html
> 
> 
> I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that it
> has a toolchanger.
> Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
> shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.
> 
> -- 
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed
> for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics."
> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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[andy pugh]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 17:06, Todd Zuercher  wrote:

> How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
> We are considering buying this.
>
> https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html


I think it would depend on the condition of the ways. It is nice that it
has a toolchanger.
Make sure that it has one motor per axis, and isn't one of those that
shares one motor and clutches the axes in and out.

-- 
atp
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed
for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics."
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[Todd Zuercher]

How good of a candidate for conversion would an old YCI SuperMax 60A be.
We are considering buying this.
https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/bfs/d/cnc-vertical-machining-center-supermax/7010042462.html

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031


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