[Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-08 Thread Mike Cinquino
Hello,

I have a port address for an additional parallel port. How do I add it?
I would like to use it for a pendant. Do I add it in the
standard_pinout.hal and the stepper_inch.ini? I see the EMCIO section in
the .ini file. I am not finding specifics in the manual on how to do
this. 

I am assuming the best way to integrate the pendant functions will be
through HALUI. The next question is how do I mesh Halui w/ the new port?
Will the new port have a structure like this "parport.1.pin-XX-out"
partport.0.. already exists?

I realize I will need the latest version from head to use Halui I
was able to run this on one machine but not another. I will fix that
once I understand how to make all the connections.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-08 Thread Anders Wallin

I'm sure someone else will answer your parport question, I think you 
need to load two parport drivers, and tell them which parport to connect 
to. you will get HAL pins parport.0.xxx and parport.1.xxx

> I am assuming the best way to integrate the pendant functions will be
> through HALUI. 

you might be interested in my notes from a while back:
http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/11/jogging-emc2/

the connections to halui and emc would be similar for a parport based 
jogwheel/pendant, but the hardware pins would of course be named 
differently.


AW

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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Mike Cinquino
Anders,

Thanks, that's good info. 

After looking at the HAL_Documentation again... The answer to my
question on adding a second port jumped out at me. I don't know how I
missed it many times before. 

It looks like I want to do this: (add this to my standard_pinout.hal
file)

loadrt hal_parport cfg="myport#_0 myport#_1 in"

My first port will be defaulted to an output type because I did not
specify in. My second port will be an in type because I used in after
the port number. Does this look right?

Can I start using this port after I have done this?

Thanks,
Mike



On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 23:30 +0200, Anders Wallin wrote:
> I'm sure someone else will answer your parport question, I think you 
> need to load two parport drivers, and tell them which parport to connect 
> to. you will get HAL pins parport.0.xxx and parport.1.xxx
> 
> > I am assuming the best way to integrate the pendant functions will be
> > through HALUI. 
> 
> you might be interested in my notes from a while back:
> http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/11/jogging-emc2/
> 
> the connections to halui and emc would be similar for a parport based 
> jogwheel/pendant, but the hardware pins would of course be named 
> differently.
> 
> 
> AW
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Mike Cinquino wrote:

>Anders,
>
>Thanks, that's good info. 
>
>After looking at the HAL_Documentation again... The answer to my
>question on adding a second port jumped out at me. I don't know how I
>missed it many times before. 
>
>It looks like I want to do this: (add this to my standard_pinout.hal
>file)
>
>loadrt hal_parport cfg="myport#_0 myport#_1 in"
>  
>
I'm glad you found it, that should work.  You may want to use 
underscores instead of spaces though.  Apparently insmod on some systems 
cuts off string parameters at the first space.  The modified line looks 
like this:
loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_port1addr_in"

>My first port will be defaulted to an output type because I did not
>specify in. My second port will be an in type because I used in after
>the port number. Does this look right?
>  
>
It's safer in general to specify things instead of using defaults - that 
way it keep working even if the default changes:
loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_out_port1addr_in"

>Can I start using this port after I have done this?
>  
>
Yes.  It will be parport.1.xxx, as you originally thought.

- Steve

>Thanks,
>Mike
>  
>

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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Ray Henry

Hi Mike

Looks like you got it.  The test here changes parport.1 to all in except
pins 1, 14,16,17.

If you are using this configuration inside emc you can see and
manipulate the pins using halshow.

Rayh


On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 09:10 -0500, Mike Cinquino wrote:
> Anders,
> 
> Thanks, that's good info. 
> 
> After looking at the HAL_Documentation again... The answer to my
> question on adding a second port jumped out at me. I don't know how I
> missed it many times before. 
> 
> It looks like I want to do this: (add this to my standard_pinout.hal
> file)
> 
> loadrt hal_parport cfg="myport#_0 myport#_1 in"
> 
> My first port will be defaulted to an output type because I did not
> specify in. My second port will be an in type because I used in after
> the port number. Does this look right?
> 
> Can I start using this port after I have done this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 23:30 +0200, Anders Wallin wrote:
> > I'm sure someone else will answer your parport question, I think you 
> > need to load two parport drivers, and tell them which parport to connect 
> > to. you will get HAL pins parport.0.xxx and parport.1.xxx
> > 
> > > I am assuming the best way to integrate the pendant functions will be
> > > through HALUI. 
> > 
> > you might be interested in my notes from a while back:
> > http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/11/jogging-emc2/
> > 
> > the connections to halui and emc would be similar for a parport based 
> > jogwheel/pendant, but the hardware pins would of course be named 
> > differently.
> > 
> > 
> > AW
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Ray Henry

Thanks Steven

On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:25 -0500, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:

> loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_port1addr_in"

> loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_out_port1addr_in"

No difference between these.  The space works okay here.  This is with
HEAD, a mobo parport at 0x378, and a PCI parport at 0xc000.

Good to know that spaces are not always acceptable.  I'll salt that away
for when I get a system that fails for some strange reason.

Rayh




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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Mike Cinquino
Steve,

Thanks 

My next step is to create a .hal file (I believe) that makes the
connections to hal and halui. I have a couple questions about this.
Looking at Anders work, it looks like he has a single file w/ both
regular hal and halui connections, that get called from the .ini file
using Halfile = XXX.hal. I would like to do the same. 

I have a decision to make on what features I want to include on my
pendant because I only have 13 inputs to work w/. Well I actually have
one more unused port that I could use to give me 26 inputs. I will have
to come up w/ a clean way of breaking out to 2 individual parallel ports
from one pendant to do this. Anyway, I think I have a handle on the
normal bit type i/o. For jogging an axis I think I see a couple ways to
do it:

With out a jog wheel: I could have buttons that would jog in the plus or
minus direction. I would have a multi-position switch to select X,Y,Z,A
axis. I see in halui that i could use halui.jog. aka axis.minus
and halui.jog. aka axis.plus . Because I am limited on inputs I
don't want to dedicate a input for each axis + and each axis -. I would
like to have a way to use the already selected axis/channel (0-3). It
looks like match8 might do this but I am not completely following how it
works in Anders .hal file. 

Also how does halui.jog..plus and minus work. Does it jog
continuous when halui.jog..plus is true?

I am used to if then else type programming. It looks like some of the
available blocks can be used to reproduce this type of structure?

Thanks,
Mike

 
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:25 -0500, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:
> Mike Cinquino wrote:
> 
> >Anders,
> >
> >Thanks, that's good info. 
> >
> >After looking at the HAL_Documentation again... The answer to my
> >question on adding a second port jumped out at me. I don't know how I
> >missed it many times before. 
> >
> >It looks like I want to do this: (add this to my standard_pinout.hal
> >file)
> >
> >loadrt hal_parport cfg="myport#_0 myport#_1 in"
> >  
> >
> I'm glad you found it, that should work.  You may want to use 
> underscores instead of spaces though.  Apparently insmod on some systems 
> cuts off string parameters at the first space.  The modified line looks 
> like this:
> loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_port1addr_in"
> 
> >My first port will be defaulted to an output type because I did not
> >specify in. My second port will be an in type because I used in after
> >the port number. Does this look right?
> >  
> >
> It's safer in general to specify things instead of using defaults - that 
> way it keep working even if the default changes:
> loadrt hal_parport cfg="port0addr_out_port1addr_in"
> 
> >Can I start using this port after I have done this?
> >  
> >
> Yes.  It will be parport.1.xxx, as you originally thought.
> 
> - Steve
> 
> >Thanks,
> >Mike
> >  
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-09 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:59:39PM -0500, Mike Cinquino wrote:
> 
> With out a jog wheel: I could have buttons that would jog in the plus or
> minus direction. I would have a multi-position switch to select X,Y,Z,A
> axis. I see in halui that i could use halui.jog. aka axis.minus
> and halui.jog. aka axis.plus . Because I am limited on inputs I
> don't want to dedicate a input for each axis + and each axis -. I would
> like to have a way to use the already selected axis/channel (0-3). It
> looks like match8 might do this but I am not completely following how it
> works in Anders .hal file. 

I didn't try it, but it looks like you can select a joint with
halui.joint.selected and then jog it with halui.jog.selected.plus and
minus.  The speed is set with halui.jog-speed.

If I was making a pendant I'd sure want a jogwheel instead of
plus/minus buttons.  It takes the same number of inputs and works much
(much!) better.  I have a real jogwheel but one of these days I'm
going to try one of the little toy knob encoders from mouser etc -
they're meant to be volume controls or something, but they might
still be more useful for jogging than two buttons.

Chris


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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Mike Cinquino
Chris,

I agree on the jogwheel. Because I currently don't have a jogwheel I am
making due w/ the arrow keys on the AXIS GUI and it is working, my
biggest problem is proximity to the work.
 I am still stuck at trying to figure out how to make a selection of the
correct axis to jog w/o having a hardwired line for each selection? I
will probably have to just try some things. If I have a momentary switch
connected to halui.jog.selected are you thinking that it will index to a
new axis as I press and release? Also looking in the Hal document I am
not seeing halui.jog.selected, should i be looking somewhere? I do see
halui.jog-wheel.axis but this is a u8 data type. I think the key to
figuring this out is an understanding of the available blocks/functions
and how to use them to create a program. 

Thanks,
Mike

On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 22:09 -0600, Chris Radek wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 03:59:39PM -0500, Mike Cinquino wrote:
> > 
> > With out a jog wheel: I could have buttons that would jog in the plus or
> > minus direction. I would have a multi-position switch to select X,Y,Z,A
> > axis. I see in halui that i could use halui.jog. aka axis.minus
> > and halui.jog. aka axis.plus . Because I am limited on inputs I
> > don't want to dedicate a input for each axis + and each axis -. I would
> > like to have a way to use the already selected axis/channel (0-3). It
> > looks like match8 might do this but I am not completely following how it
> > works in Anders .hal file. 
> 
> I didn't try it, but it looks like you can select a joint with
> halui.joint.selected and then jog it with halui.jog.selected.plus and
> minus.  The speed is set with halui.jog-speed.
> 
> If I was making a pendant I'd sure want a jogwheel instead of
> plus/minus buttons.  It takes the same number of inputs and works much
> (much!) better.  I have a real jogwheel but one of these days I'm
> going to try one of the little toy knob encoders from mouser etc -
> they're meant to be volume controls or something, but they might
> still be more useful for jogging than two buttons.
> 
> Chris
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Anders Wallin
> Chris,
> I agree on the jogwheel. Because I currently don't have a jogwheel I am
> making due w/ the arrow keys on the AXIS GUI and it is working, my
> biggest problem is proximity to the work.
>  I am still stuck at trying to figure out how to make a selection of the
> correct axis to jog w/o having a hardwired line for each selection? I
> will probably have to just try some things. If I have a momentary switch
> connected to halui.jog.selected are you thinking that it will index to a
> new axis as I press and release? Also looking in the Hal document I am
> not seeing halui.jog.selected, should i be looking somewhere? I do see
> halui.jog-wheel.axis but this is a u8 data type. I think the key to
> figuring this out is an understanding of the available blocks/functions
> and how to use them to create a program. 

if you have 4 or less axes/modes to choose from, you could encode the 
position of a rotary switch into 2 bits. That way you save a bit of I/O.
Saving would be even more with an 8-position switch, which can be 
represented with 3 bits.

For jogging, it is best to connect the jogwheel count directly to emc's 
motioncontroller, as in my example:
http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/2006_11jog/jog.hal

you see that the jogwheel count is wired to
axis.X.jog-counts
this is a connection directly to emc's motioncontroller, and does not 
require halui. I think people tried physical jogwheels through halui and 
  found that jogging was jerky, that's why jog-counts pins were added to 
the motioncontroller.

AW

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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Mario .
So, you say that is connected to EMC... does it take quadrature input?
Because it should.. that is the most rotary encoders. Many mouse
sensors can be programmed to use quadrature outputs. that would solve
much...

Also.. the enable/disable of jogging is directly in AXIS panel? (or
something like that.. I did not need to jog at all, since I am running
closed loop simulation/training only)

On 1/10/07, Anders Wallin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chris,
> > I agree on the jogwheel. Because I currently don't have a jogwheel I am
> > making due w/ the arrow keys on the AXIS GUI and it is working, my
> > biggest problem is proximity to the work.
> >  I am still stuck at trying to figure out how to make a selection of the
> > correct axis to jog w/o having a hardwired line for each selection? I
> > will probably have to just try some things. If I have a momentary switch
> > connected to halui.jog.selected are you thinking that it will index to a
> > new axis as I press and release? Also looking in the Hal document I am
> > not seeing halui.jog.selected, should i be looking somewhere? I do see
> > halui.jog-wheel.axis but this is a u8 data type. I think the key to
> > figuring this out is an understanding of the available blocks/functions
> > and how to use them to create a program.
>
> if you have 4 or less axes/modes to choose from, you could encode the
> position of a rotary switch into 2 bits. That way you save a bit of I/O.
> Saving would be even more with an 8-position switch, which can be
> represented with 3 bits.
>
> For jogging, it is best to connect the jogwheel count directly to emc's
> motioncontroller, as in my example:
> http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/2006_11jog/jog.hal
>
> you see that the jogwheel count is wired to
> axis.X.jog-counts
> this is a connection directly to emc's motioncontroller, and does not
> require halui. I think people tried physical jogwheels through halui and
>   found that jogging was jerky, that's why jog-counts pins were added to
> the motioncontroller.
>
> AW
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Anders Wallin
Mario. wrote:
> So, you say that is connected to EMC... does it take quadrature input?
> Because it should.. that is the most rotary encoders. Many mouse
> sensors can be programmed to use quadrature outputs. that would solve
> much...

not by itsef, but if you read
http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/2006_11jog/jog.hal
you will see that the quadrature signals A and B first go through a hal 
component called encoder, which decodes the quadrature signal into a count.

> Also.. the enable/disable of jogging is directly in AXIS panel? (or
> something like that.. I did not need to jog at all, since I am running
> closed loop simulation/training only)

AXIS does have HAL output pins that indicate which axis is active, in 
the manual

AW

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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Mike Cinquino
Anders,

I was hoping I could do that.  Do you have a link to a diagram that
shows a match8. I understand that it is a 8 bit binary match detector
but I am not sure how one of those work?


Thanks,
Mike

On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 15:24 +0200, Anders Wallin wrote:
> > Chris,
> > I agree on the jogwheel. Because I currently don't have a jogwheel I am
> > making due w/ the arrow keys on the AXIS GUI and it is working, my
> > biggest problem is proximity to the work.
> >  I am still stuck at trying to figure out how to make a selection of the
> > correct axis to jog w/o having a hardwired line for each selection? I
> > will probably have to just try some things. If I have a momentary switch
> > connected to halui.jog.selected are you thinking that it will index to a
> > new axis as I press and release? Also looking in the Hal document I am
> > not seeing halui.jog.selected, should i be looking somewhere? I do see
> > halui.jog-wheel.axis but this is a u8 data type. I think the key to
> > figuring this out is an understanding of the available blocks/functions
> > and how to use them to create a program. 
> 
> if you have 4 or less axes/modes to choose from, you could encode the 
> position of a rotary switch into 2 bits. That way you save a bit of I/O.
> Saving would be even more with an 8-position switch, which can be 
> represented with 3 bits.
> 
> For jogging, it is best to connect the jogwheel count directly to emc's 
> motioncontroller, as in my example:
> http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/2006_11jog/jog.hal
> 
> you see that the jogwheel count is wired to
> axis.X.jog-counts
> this is a connection directly to emc's motioncontroller, and does not 
> require halui. I think people tried physical jogwheels through halui and 
>   found that jogging was jerky, that's why jog-counts pins were added to 
> the motioncontroller.
> 
> AW
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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Anders Wallin
Mike Cinquino wrote:
> Anders,
> 
> I was hoping I could do that.  Do you have a link to a diagram that
> shows a match8. I understand that it is a 8 bit binary match detector
> but I am not sure how one of those work?

the manual page for match8 is here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/match8.9.html

there are 8 A inputs and 8 B inputs. If all A inputs match all B inputs, 
the output will go high.

AW

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Re: [Emc-users] adding 2nd parallel port

2007-01-10 Thread Mike Cinquino
Anders,

Thanks... wow I some how missed that entire area of documentation. It
looks like most of the things I am looking for are in that area.

Thanks again,
Mike

On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 19:15 +0200, Anders Wallin wrote:
> Mike Cinquino wrote:
> > Anders,
> > 
> > I was hoping I could do that.  Do you have a link to a diagram that
> > shows a match8. I understand that it is a 8 bit binary match detector
> > but I am not sure how one of those work?
> 
> the manual page for match8 is here:
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/match8.9.html
> 
> there are 8 A inputs and 8 B inputs. If all A inputs match all B inputs, 
> the output will go high.
> 
> AW
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