Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-11 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/10/2012 06:36 PM, Adrian Carter wrote:
 I'd just buy it from Seeed direct or one of the many seeed resellers ...
 for the small saving on offer via ebay - its just not worth going dodgy for
 it

 On 11 April 2012 01:40, Spiderdab77...@tiscali.it  wrote:


 Hi all. I just want to tell you about a bad experience on a O-scope
 seller.
 I wanted to buy me a DSO Quad, and found it convenient to buy from
 www.diyertool.com/

 ..I want to advise users NOT TO BUY ANYTHING from this seller. I've
 payed the DSO Quad in November, they first sent it with a wrong address,
 then the scope went back to Singapore, then i couldn't talk to them
 anymore. They didn't answer in anyway. I opened also the request (I
 don't know the english word..) in Paypal.

 So, for everyone, please don't buy from diyertool, or at least be very
 carefull.

 Thanks, Davide.
  
Guess it depends on how cheap and portable you wanna get.  I recently 
picked up a Tek TM504 mainframe/power supply for $50, and two SC504 80 
MHz plugins for $50 each.  One works, the other doesn't.  I'm in the 
process of troubleshooting the inop SC504.  When that's fixed, I'll have 
three scopes on the bench.  ;-)

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread Adrian Carter
I would get the DSO Quad, or DSO203 or MiniDSO (depending on the market you
purchase from) - its a 4 channel unit (2 analog, 2 digital)

The original manufacturers of the unit are Seeed Studio:
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/DSO_Quad

The quad is built on the Nano, and has *much* higher bandwidth (albeit
still listed though as just 5Mhz).

With the latest firmware and application software loaded - it works like a
charm in my hobbyist and microcontroller applications.

To peddle a review I did a few weeks ago on it; check out
http://australianrobotics.com.au/news/a-look-at-the-dso-quad

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 04:57:50 AM Adrian Carter did opine:

 I would get the DSO Quad, or DSO203 or MiniDSO (depending on the market
 you purchase from) - its a 4 channel unit (2 analog, 2 digital)
 
 The original manufacturers of the unit are Seeed Studio:
 http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/DSO_Quad
 
 The quad is built on the Nano, and has *much* higher bandwidth (albeit
 still listed though as just 5Mhz).
 
 With the latest firmware and application software loaded - it works like
 a charm in my hobbyist and microcontroller applications.
 
 To peddle a review I did a few weeks ago on it; check out
 http://australianrobotics.com.au/news/a-look-at-the-dso-quad
 
 Adrian
 
From the ebay descriptions, it also come with an alu case.  I wouldn't have 
a lot of faith in its anodic color treatment being sufficient insulation to 
keep me from being fried.  BTDT, don't wanna do that again.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread Adrian Carter
Yeah the previous version was plastic and is still available, but the
new version via seeed now comes in Alu .

Sent from my iPhone

On 10/04/2012, at 19:01, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 04:57:50 AM Adrian Carter did opine:

 I would get the DSO Quad, or DSO203 or MiniDSO (depending on the market
 you purchase from) - its a 4 channel unit (2 analog, 2 digital)

 The original manufacturers of the unit are Seeed Studio:
 http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/DSO_Quad

 The quad is built on the Nano, and has *much* higher bandwidth (albeit
 still listed though as just 5Mhz).

 With the latest firmware and application software loaded - it works like
 a charm in my hobbyist and microcontroller applications.

 To peddle a review I did a few weeks ago on it; check out
 http://australianrobotics.com.au/news/a-look-at-the-dso-quad

 Adrian

 From the ebay descriptions, it also come with an alu case.  I wouldn't have
 a lot of faith in its anodic color treatment being sufficient insulation to
 keep me from being fried.  BTDT, don't wanna do that again.

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/09/2012 03:51 PM, gene heskett wrote:
 These girls just don't understand, its exactly the same thing as her
 buying one of those hot air cookers off the all night infomercial on
 tv.  I recently got surprised by that, but by golly it actually works
 fairly well!

 Yabut, try to tell them that...  ;-)

 Mark
  
 Yabut, the magic word...   ;-)

 Cheers, Gene

Tch, wymyn.  ;-)

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread kqt4at5v
Y'all have been going on and on about scope isolation
Please elaborate
I have a project coming up that is 120vac
I prefer not to fry me or equipment

Richard

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 09:11:46 AM kqt4a...@gmail.com did opine:

 Y'all have been going on and on about scope isolation
 Please elaborate
 I have a project coming up that is 120vac
 I prefer not to fry me or equipment
 
 Richard
 
Having fried me on several occasions, I can relate that not only are the 
burns slow to heal, they can also trigger a 6 month bout with the shingles.  
I don't have an enemy I'd wish that on except one I've already outlived.

My grounded scope has the usual power cable equipt with the 3rd, round 
pin that is connected directly to earthen ground in the American way of 
doing things.  It is a 100mhz, dual trace, partially computerized Hitachi, 
and IMNSHO kicks anything Tek made out of the game because after 20+ years, 
it is still quite well calibrated.  Not too heavy, its case is a painted 
ALU shell that doesn't really try to hide the fact that its grounded.  I 
have, on occasion, plugged it into one of the grey adapters to isolate it 
from ground, but when its probes are then connected to some non-grounded 
point, there is just enough capacitative leakage to effect the circuit 
being looked at, so its not exactly a good practice, and if one isn't 
careful you could easily be shocked.  Badly...

This little pocket digital scope OTOH, runs on a battery (no connection to 
the power line as long as its USB power stealing battery charging cable is 
not plugged in) for about 2hrs/charge, and has a plastic case, so the only 
places where hooking its probes 'ground' lead up to something hot, making 
it hot, are the mini-connector where the probe plugs into the end of it, 
and the not well covered end of that little clip lead on the probe.  
Everything else is plastic covered  probably trustable to something in 
excess of 500 volts, maybe even 2500 but I wouldn't want to be the tester 
as I'd lay it on a well insulated surface and push its buttons with a dry 
wooden stick while measuring something that 'hot'.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-10 Thread Spiderdab
Hi all. I just want to tell you about a bad experience on a O-scope
seller.
I wanted to buy me a DSO Quad, and found it convenient to buy from
www.diyertool.com/

..I want to advise users NOT TO BUY ANYTHING from this seller. I've
payed the DSO Quad in November, they first sent it with a wrong address,
then the scope went back to Singapore, then i couldn't talk to them
anymore. They didn't answer in anyway. I opened also the request (I
don't know the english word..) in Paypal.

So, for everyone, please don't buy from diyertool, or at least be very
carefull.

Thanks, Davide.


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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 08:26:54 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

 Ebay auction # 150730262099
 
 Mark

Now that is kewl!  I'll likely catch hell from the missus for buying 
another toy, but my well grounded dual trace blew a bunch of stuff besides 
the fuse in the circuit I tried to hook a grounded probe to yesterday.  
This is a little short on bandwidth at 1mspl/12 bit, but its free floating 
and wouldn't have damaged anything when I hooked up its ground lead to the 
circuit.

But that is a kit!  And I am not well equipt to handle surface mount stuff.

Has anyone bought one? And can further describe what you have to do to 
actually put it to work other than downloading the firmware and putting it 
on the SD card it apparently runs from?

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/09/2012 08:42 AM, gene heskett wrote:
 On Monday, April 09, 2012 08:26:54 AM Mark Wendt did opine:


 Ebay auction # 150730262099

 Mark
  
 Now that is kewl!  I'll likely catch hell from the missus for buying
 another toy, but my well grounded dual trace blew a bunch of stuff besides
 the fuse in the circuit I tried to hook a grounded probe to yesterday.
 This is a little short on bandwidth at 1mspl/12 bit, but its free floating
 and wouldn't have damaged anything when I hooked up its ground lead to the
 circuit.

 But that is a kit!  And I am not well equipt to handle surface mount stuff.

 Has anyone bought one? And can further describe what you have to do to
 actually put it to work other than downloading the firmware and putting it
 on the SD card it apparently runs from?

 Cheers, Gene

Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my Paypal 
bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...  ;-)

Damn Ebay.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Andrew
9 квітня 2012 р. 13:25 Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil написав:

 Ebay auction # 150730262099


I'd also suggest item 160705670184 as it has 2 analog + 2 digital channels
vs. 1 channel, 72Msps vs. 1Msps, better firmware with FFT etc. One channel
is not enough often.
And the next level is 220974131404 - that's already something real.

I purchased oscilloscope for myself just a couple days ago. Decided in
favour of 160705670184.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 4/9/2012 8:42 AM, gene heskett wrote:
 On Monday, April 09, 2012 08:26:54 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

 Ebay auction # 150730262099

 Mark
 Now that is kewl!  I'll likely catch hell from the missus for buying
 another toy, but my well grounded dual trace blew a bunch of stuff besides
 the fuse in the circuit I tried to hook a grounded probe to yesterday.
 This is a little short on bandwidth at 1mspl/12 bit, but its free floating
 and wouldn't have damaged anything when I hooked up its ground lead to the
 circuit.

 But that is a kit!  And I am not well equipt to handle surface mount stuff.

Gene:

I think you may be reading kit in the sense of Heathkit, Eico, Knight, 
etc., where you could spend a weekend just shaking out the bags of 
electronic parts.

I suspect the lister just meant the package to be bid on includes 
several items. According to the eBay listing, the package includes 1 
oscilloscope, 1 battery, 1 probe, and 1 USB cable.

You can always send a query to brainytrade via the eBay listing to be sure.

I confess this is cheap enough and sexy enough technically to give me an 
itch too but I just hit up eBay for some other items. H...

Regards,
Kent

 Has anyone bought one? And can further describe what you have to do to
 actually put it to work other than downloading the firmware and putting it
 on the SD card it apparently runs from?

 Cheers, Gene


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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Jeff Albrecht
http://www.saelig.com/product/PSHA026.htm

This one is very compact and a bit less expensive. ;-)




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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 09:50:28 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

 On 04/09/2012 08:42 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  On Monday, April 09, 2012 08:26:54 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
  Ebay auction # 150730262099
  
  Mark
  
  Now that is kewl!  I'll likely catch hell from the missus for buying
  another toy, but my well grounded dual trace blew a bunch of stuff
  besides the fuse in the circuit I tried to hook a grounded probe to
  yesterday. This is a little short on bandwidth at 1mspl/12 bit, but
  its free floating and wouldn't have damaged anything when I hooked up
  its ground lead to the circuit.
  
  But that is a kit!  And I am not well equipt to handle surface mount
  stuff.
  
  Has anyone bought one? And can further describe what you have to do to
  actually put it to work other than downloading the firmware and
  putting it on the SD card it apparently runs from?
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
 Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my Paypal
 bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...  ;-)
 
You were going to be crowned, but not as a king?  ;-)

 Damn Ebay.

I'll 2nd that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 09:51:46 AM Andrew did opine:

 9 ذ؛ذ²ر–ر‚ذ½رڈ 2012 ر€. 13:25 Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil 
ذ½ذ°ذ؟ذ¸رپذ°ذ²:
  Ebay auction # 150730262099
 
 I'd also suggest item 160705670184 as it has 2 analog + 2 digital
 channels vs. 1 channel, 72Msps vs. 1Msps, better firmware with FFT etc.
 One channel is not enough often.
 And the next level is 220974131404 - that's already something real.

And its in a metal housing so its potentially lethally hot.  I looked, and 
passed, buying the little one.
 
 I purchased oscilloscope for myself just a couple days ago. Decided in
 favour of 160705670184.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 09:53:46 AM Kent A. Reed did opine:

 On 4/9/2012 8:42 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  On Monday, April 09, 2012 08:26:54 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
  Ebay auction # 150730262099
  
  Mark
  
  Now that is kewl!  I'll likely catch hell from the missus for buying
  another toy, but my well grounded dual trace blew a bunch of stuff
  besides the fuse in the circuit I tried to hook a grounded probe to
  yesterday. This is a little short on bandwidth at 1mspl/12 bit, but
  its free floating and wouldn't have damaged anything when I hooked up
  its ground lead to the circuit.
  
  But that is a kit!  And I am not well equipt to handle surface mount
  stuff.
 
 Gene:
 
 I think you may be reading kit in the sense of Heathkit, Eico, Knight,
 etc., where you could spend a weekend just shaking out the bags of
 electronic parts.
 
 I suspect the lister just meant the package to be bid on includes
 several items. According to the eBay listing, the package includes 1
 oscilloscope, 1 battery, 1 probe, and 1 USB cable.
 
 You can always send a query to brainytrade via the eBay listing to be
 sure.
 
 I confess this is cheap enough and sexy enough technically to give me an
 itch too but I just hit up eBay for some other items. H...
 
Gopher it Kent, we can't take it with us in either form.

 Regards,
 Kent
 
  Has anyone bought one? And can further describe what you have to do to
  actually put it to work other than downloading the firmware and
  putting it on the SD card it apparently runs from?
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 09:55:19 AM Jeff Albrecht did opine:

 http://www.saelig.com/product/PSHA026.htm
 
 This one is very compact and a bit less expensive. ;-)
 
Nope, too small  still needs isolation. 
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/09/2012 09:51 AM, gene heskett wrote:
 Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my Paypal
 bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...  ;-)

  
 You were going to be crowned, but not as a king?  ;-)

That's about it in a nutshell.  ;-)

 Damn Ebay.
  
 I'll 2nd that.

;-)
 Cheers, Gene


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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/09/2012 09:21 AM, Jeff Albrecht wrote:
 http://www.saelig.com/product/PSHA026.htm

 This one is very compact and a bit less expensive. ;-)


Probably about the same once the case and probe is figured in.

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 10:25:35 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

 On 04/09/2012 09:51 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my Paypal
  bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...  ;-)
  
  You were going to be crowned, but not as a king?  ;-)
 
 That's about it in a nutshell.  ;-)
 
These girls just don't understand, its exactly the same thing as her buying 
one of those hot air cookers off the all night infomercial on tv.  I 
recently got surprised by that, but by golly it actually works fairly well!

  Damn Ebay.
  
  I'll 2nd that.
 
 ;-)
 
  Cheers, Gene
 
 Mark
 
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 10:27:58 AM Mark Wendt did opine:

 On 04/09/2012 09:21 AM, Jeff Albrecht wrote:
  http://www.saelig.com/product/PSHA026.htm
  
  This one is very compact and a bit less expensive. ;-)
 
 Probably about the same once the case and probe is figured in.
 
 Mark
 
Precisely.  Plus this other gizmo just plain looks sexy.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread Mark Wendt
On 04/09/2012 10:27 AM, gene heskett wrote:
 On Monday, April 09, 2012 10:25:35 AM Mark Wendt did opine:


 On 04/09/2012 09:51 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  
 Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my Paypal
 bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...  ;-)
  
 You were going to be crowned, but not as a king?  ;-)

 That's about it in a nutshell.  ;-)

  
 These girls just don't understand, its exactly the same thing as her buying
 one of those hot air cookers off the all night infomercial on tv.  I
 recently got surprised by that, but by golly it actually works fairly well!

Yabut, try to tell them that...  ;-)

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Gene, here's your portable O'scope

2012-04-09 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, April 09, 2012 03:50:28 PM Mark Wendt did opine:

 On 04/09/2012 10:27 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  On Monday, April 09, 2012 10:25:35 AM Mark Wendt did opine:
  On 04/09/2012 09:51 AM, gene heskett wrote:
  Yeh, you and me both on the missus giving hell.  She caught my
  Paypal bill for last month and almost had a coronary last night...
   ;-)
  
  You were going to be crowned, but not as a king?  ;-)
  
  That's about it in a nutshell.  ;-)
  
  These girls just don't understand, its exactly the same thing as her
  buying one of those hot air cookers off the all night infomercial on
  tv.  I recently got surprised by that, but by golly it actually works
  fairly well!
 
 Yabut, try to tell them that...  ;-)
 
 Mark

Yabut, the magic word...   ;-)

Cheers, Gene
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