Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
dave schrieb: I presume some of you have read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_Tongue Dave No, I haven't read the book, but maybe will. One of my other hobbies beside electronics etc. is linguistics... Peter -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
On 01/05/2012 04:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 5 January 2012 06:04, Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: Next discussion: why did the l reappear in spelling? It's amazing we manage to communicate at all given the twists and turns our languages have taken. I am reading a novel set in the Napoleonic war, and I was curious about the ranks of the soldiers (that's got an L in it), specifically the gap between Lieutenant and Lieutenant Commander. Naturally these are pronounced Lefftenant in British English because, errr, because... We're back to the L causing problems again. ;-) Mark -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
Kent A. Reed schrieb: PS - my grandchildren would say the missing l is just a sign of the season - NoEl. Kent, that's sheds a good light on their intelligence - as soon as you can start playing with your language, you show that you are it's sovereign, not the other way around. Peter -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
andy pugh schrieb: I am reading a novel set in the Napoleonic war, and I was curious about the ranks of the soldiers (that's got an L in it), specifically the gap between Lieutenant and Lieutenant Commander. Naturally these are pronounced Lefftenant in British English because, errr, because... mmm, because, some time in the dark ages, the original meaning of lieu (french for place) was misunderstood as being derived from leave in the meaning off permission. That's where the ff comes from. Actually, the lieutenant was the person to hold (lat. tenere) the place (lat. locus) of the captain. Peter -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:53:34 -0500 Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 01/05/2012 04:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 5 January 2012 06:04, Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: Next discussion: why did the l reappear in spelling? It's amazing we manage to communicate at all given the twists and turns our languages have taken. I am reading a novel set in the Napoleonic war, and I was curious about the ranks of the soldiers (that's got an L in it), specifically the gap between Lieutenant and Lieutenant Commander. Naturally these are pronounced Lefftenant in British English because, errr, because... We're back to the L causing problems again. ;-) Mark I presume some of you have read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_Tongue Dave -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
On 1/4/2012 2:33 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Kent, another physicist thinks that solder is derived from the french word souder which, in turn, comes from latin solidare meaning get solid, solidify. So, the l must have been missing already somehow when taken over from French in the first place. Next discussion: why did the l reappear in spelling? By the way: in German the word for this is löten and is, via the common Germanic laguage, connected with english lead, we have no problem with l 's. Peter I'm sure you're right, Peter. You and I have already agreed that most every useful word comes from Latin or Greek, and the French word souder you cite is very similar to the earliest example of English usage (soudr...) I found in my OED. Those ancient Romans must have learned to solder when they were assembling all the lead pipes and cookware that slowly poisoned those people wealthy enough to afford them. It's amazing we manage to communicate at all given the twists and turns our languages have taken. Regards, Kent PS - my grandchildren would say the missing l is just a sign of the season - NoEl. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] a physicist's approach to the pronunciation of solder
Kent, another physicist thinks that solder is derived from the french word souder which, in turn, comes from latin solidare meaning get solid, solidify. So, the l must have been missing already somehow when taken over from French in the first place. Next discussion: why did the l reappear in spelling? By the way: in German the word for this is löten and is, via the common Germanic laguage, connected with english lead, we have no problem with l 's. Peter Kent A. Reed schrieb: Gentle persons: This is an argument patterned after an old joke about mathematicians, physicists, and engineers. Theorem: All words of the form consonant-o-l-d-e-r are pronounced as older preceded by the appropriate consonant. Proof: bolder = bolder - yes colder = colder - yes folder = folder - yes holder = holder - yes solder = solder - no Hmmm. that last must be an experimental error. QED. Regards, Kent PS - my 1971 compact edition of the Oxford English Dictionary traces the word solder back to the early 1400s. Even then the spelling---soudryd is their first example---and likely the pronunciation was ambiguous. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
