Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-06-30 Thread Elias Assmann 
On 06/07/2016 08:41 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> On 19.05.16 15:55, Elias Assmann wrote:
>> On 05/13/2016 01:53 PM, David wrote:
>>> The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
>>> work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.
>>
>> Okay, thanks for the info.  I found this
>> , but it does not really
>> explain why it is impossible for the two to interoperate.  And the
>> workaround “temporarily disable Enigmail, restart Thunderbird, schedule
>> the messages that you want to schedule with Send Later, and then
>> re-enable Enigmail and restart Thunderbird again” does not sound
>> attractive to me.
> 
> The author of "Send Later" and I worked together on making the two
> add-ons compatible to each other. The result is the following beta
> version of "Send Later":

I only saw your message today, but I still want to say: wow, and thank
you for this effort!


Elias





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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-06-06 Thread Patrick Brunschwig 
On 19.05.16 15:55, Elias Assmann wrote:
> On 05/13/2016 01:53 PM, David wrote:
>> The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
>> work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.
> 
> Okay, thanks for the info.  I found this
> , but it does not really
> explain why it is impossible for the two to interoperate.  And the
> workaround “temporarily disable Enigmail, restart Thunderbird, schedule
> the messages that you want to schedule with Send Later, and then
> re-enable Enigmail and restart Thunderbird again” does not sound
> attractive to me.

The author of "Send Later" and I worked together on making the two
add-ons compatible to each other. The result is the following beta
version of "Send Later":

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/send-later-3/versions/5.1beta1


The next release of Enigmail will contain some changes that will make
the integration between the two addons more future proof, but these
changes are not necessary for Send Later to work correctly with all
Enigmail versions since v1.2 (which was released in 2011).

-Patrick




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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-19 Thread Sebastian 
Citing from the linked source:
>And here’s the thing… If Enigmail is called before Send Later, then the
message is encrypted with the recipient’s public key, at which point it
is no longer decryptable by the sender. Then, when Send Later is called,
if the user decides to cancel scheduling the message, e.g., to go back
to editing it, the message is now /completely unreadable to the sender,
and its contents are completely lost./ And that is why…

Isn't Enigmail/GnuPG encrypting the message with both the recipients and
the senders key?

Sebastian

On 05/19/2016 04:20 PM, Elias Assmann wrote:
> On 05/19/2016 03:55 PM, Elias Assmann wrote:
>> I found this
>> , but it does not really
>> explain why it is impossible for the two to interoperate.
> PS: To be fair, in the comments section of that page, there is an
> explanation
> .
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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-19 Thread Elias Assmann 
On 05/19/2016 03:55 PM, Elias Assmann wrote:
> I found this
> , but it does not really
> explain why it is impossible for the two to interoperate.

PS: To be fair, in the comments section of that page, there is an
explanation
.




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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-19 Thread Elias Assmann 
On 05/13/2016 01:53 PM, David wrote:
> The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
> work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.

Okay, thanks for the info.  I found this
, but it does not really
explain why it is impossible for the two to interoperate.  And the
workaround “temporarily disable Enigmail, restart Thunderbird, schedule
the messages that you want to schedule with Send Later, and then
re-enable Enigmail and restart Thunderbird again” does not sound
attractive to me.

> When in the compose window, the write window, pressing 'Ctrl + Shift +
> Enter' invokes the built-in Thunderbird function to 'send later'.
> 
> Also there is an extension named "Send Later Button" that combines these
> keys into the function of a 'click me' button.

Thanks, I did not know that.  But as far as I understand, this “send
later” is different from the add-on “Send Later”.  The first simply
saves the message in the outbox to be sent when you select “Send Unsent
Messages”.  The second schedules messages to be sent automatically at a
certain time (of course this only works as long as Thunderbird is running).


Elias




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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-19 Thread Elias Assmann 
On 05/13/2016 09:44 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
> Enigmail does not check for compatibility with _any_ other add-on, nor can it 
> deactivate other add-ons. The message you saw most likely comes from 
> upgrading Thunderbird.

Okay, sorry for mixing that up.  I cannot reproduce the message once I
dismissed it so I was writing from memory.  It does seem sensible that
one add-on cannot deactivate another.

Elias





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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-14 Thread David 
On 5/14/2016 5:54 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 5/13/2016 10:08 AM, David wrote:
> 
>> I am not a tech guy or a programmer type so I have now idea just what he
>> has to constantly 'fix'. Or just why it is Enigamil that he blames.
>> Enigmail releases are very stable and major releases are not done often.
> 
> It's not Enigmail as much as it is Thunderbird.  They seem to have "new
> and improved" releases quite  frequently, and almost as frequently one
> or more of the add-ons doesn't work until the author of said add-on
> makes some change to keep up with Thunderbird.  One of the few
> complaints that I have about T-Bird.
> 
> == Phil Kane



So why does he blame Enigmail by name?

As for Thunderbird? The 'updates' are far enough apart the it is an ESR.
Security and patches only.

And before we get reminded that is area is for Enigmail I'll back out.

Ypu have a nice day.


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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-14 Thread Phil Kane 
On 5/13/2016 10:08 AM, David wrote:

> I am not a tech guy or a programmer type so I have now idea just what he
> has to constantly 'fix'. Or just why it is Enigamil that he blames.
> Enigmail releases are very stable and major releases are not done often.

It's not Enigmail as much as it is Thunderbird.  They seem to have "new
and improved" releases quite  frequently, and almost as frequently one
or more of the add-ons doesn't work until the author of said add-on
makes some change to keep up with Thunderbird.  One of the few
complaints that I have about T-Bird.

== Phil Kane

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-13 Thread David 
On 5/13/2016 12:43 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 5/13/2016 4:53 AM, David wrote:
> 
>> The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
>> work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.
> 
> This is becoming all too frequent with Thunderbird add-ons, unfortunately.



I am not a tech guy or a programmer type so I have now idea just what he
has to constantly 'fix'. Or just why it is Enigamil that he blames.
Enigmail releases are very stable and major releases are not done often.



>> Also there is an extension named "Send Later Button" that combines these
>> keys into the function of a 'click me' button.
> 
> Thank you for this - I have added it to my T-bird.
> 
> Phil Kane


You are welcome.


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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-13 Thread Phil Kane 
On 5/13/2016 4:53 AM, David wrote:

> The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
> work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.

This is becoming all too frequent with Thunderbird add-ons, unfortunately.

> Also there is an extension named "Send Later Button" that combines these
> keys into the function of a 'click me' button.

Thank you for this - I have added it to my T-bird.

Phil Kane

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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-13 Thread David 
On 5/13/2016 3:25 AM, Elias Assmann wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> Recently, Enigmail notified me that it is no longer compatible with Send
> Later and deactivated the latter.  In the first place, why is it
> impossible or impractical to combine the two?
> 
> I find both Enigmail and Send Later useful, and would like to continue
> to use both of them.  If this means that I cannot sign or encrypt
> messages that are Sent Later that would be acceptable, but I think it is
> a shame if I have to choose between the two extensions.
> 
> 
>   Elias


The developer of the extension "Send Later" has said that it is too much
work for him to keep his extension compatible with Enigmail.

When in the compose window, the write window, pressing 'Ctrl + Shift +
Enter' invokes the built-in Thunderbird function to 'send later'.

Also there is an extension named "Send Later Button" that combines these
keys into the function of a 'click me' button.


-- 

  David



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Re: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-13 Thread Patrick Brunschwig 
Enigmail does not check for compatibility with _any_ other add-on, nor can it 
deactivate other add-ons. The message you saw most likely comes from upgrading 
Thunderbird.

Patrick

- Original Message -
From: Elias Assmann 
Sent: 13.05.2016 - 09:25
To: enigmail-users@enigmail.net
Subject: [Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

> Hi List,
>
> Recently, Enigmail notified me that it is no longer compatible with Send
> Later and deactivated the latter.  In the first place, why is it
> impossible or impractical to combine the two?
>
> I find both Enigmail and Send Later useful, and would like to continue
> to use both of them.  If this means that I cannot sign or encrypt
> messages that are Sent Later that would be acceptable, but I think it is
> a shame if I have to choose between the two extensions.
>
>
>   Elias
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[Enigmail] Enigmail vs. Send Later

2016-05-13 Thread Elias Assmann 
Hi List,

Recently, Enigmail notified me that it is no longer compatible with Send
Later and deactivated the latter.  In the first place, why is it
impossible or impractical to combine the two?

I find both Enigmail and Send Later useful, and would like to continue
to use both of them.  If this means that I cannot sign or encrypt
messages that are Sent Later that would be acceptable, but I think it is
a shame if I have to choose between the two extensions.


Elias



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