[E-devel] trivial patch for about dialog

2005-09-24 Thread Massimo Maiurana

hi,
although all the code for the about enlightenment dialog has moved
to a different file, the text in that dialog is still untranslatable
(i.e. it will always displayed in english no matter if there is a
translated text).

the problem seems to reside in the unicode copyright glyph; looks like
gettext doesn't like it, so removing it fixes the issue.

the attached patch make the text translatable while keeping the
copyright symbol.

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Index: apps/e/src/bin/e_about.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_about.c,v
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -u -r1.9 e_about.c
--- apps/e/src/bin/e_about.c	22 Sep 2005 05:52:37 -	1.9
+++ apps/e/src/bin/e_about.c	24 Sep 2005 07:47:15 -
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
edje_object_part_text_set
  (about-bg_object, about,
   _(
-	Copyright © 1999-2005, by the Enlightenment Development Team.br
+	Copyright copy; 1999-2005, by the Enlightenment Development Team.br
 	br
 	We hope you enjoy using this software as much as we enjoyed 
 	writing it.br


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Re: [E-devel] Slow eap startup

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:07:25 -0400 Robert May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 I am not noticing the slowdown but I don't have the usual system.
 941 eap's less than 1 second
 Dual Xeon 3Ghz
 4GB DDR
 SCSI
 
 SuSE 9.3 all updates

i dont even notice either with 200 eaps and plain old ide disk. though on my
slower laptop (1ghz pentium m, and the disk is not that fast - only pulls about
15mb/sec) i do notice a thrash on login. this could be it. i will find out as
soon as i get to the cache code - which i was kept form today by other issues.
grr :(

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Re: [E-devel] trivial patch for about dialog

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:21:50 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 
 hi,
 although all the code for the about enlightenment dialog has moved
 to a different file, the text in that dialog is still untranslatable
 (i.e. it will always displayed in english no matter if there is a
 translated text).
 
 the problem seems to reside in the unicode copyright glyph; looks like
 gettext doesn't like it, so removing it fixes the issue.
 
 the attached patch make the text translatable while keeping the
 copyright symbol.

aah yes. that has been a problem. i have been wondering why it never matches -
it shoudl handle utf8 src - anyway - yes, thanks to tb2 copy; can be used
instead :)

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Re: [E-devel] eap menu question

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:46:52 -0400 Robert May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Good Afternoon E developers!
 
 Would it be possible to add menu generation information to the eap's
 themselves?  A rough example would be:
 kbattleship.eap
 
 Menu  Favorite Applications (vice Gadgets or Modules)
 Submenu   Games;BoardGames
 
 Thus creating the appropriate entries in e17
 
 Much like KDE's entry for kbattleship.desktop

e18genmenu doesnt put these in the .eap's but it uses them to generate a menu
tree with them in it. :)

 Categories=Game;BoardGame;
 ___
 Then the .directory.eap's would be set up to display the icons for the
 Menu/Sub-menus (i.e. Games or Board Games).
 .order files would then be used only if you wanted the menus in
 something other than alphabetical order.
 ___
 
 I know everyone will tell me to write a patch however, my abilities with
 C make even Hello World! out of my reach.  I was just thinking of an
 easier way for menu generation/customization especially when the eap
 lists are greater than a hundred or so.
 
 Anyway thank you for hard work on this Window Manager.  I look forward
 to recompiling each day to see what new features have been made
 available for me to use/experiment with.
 
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[E-devel] e17 segfault caused by ecore, and fix

2005-09-24 Thread David Sharp
something to do with icons not being there.. anyway, it's a one-liner fix.

fake diff:
ecore_x_netwm.c:654
- if(icon)
+ if(icon  *icon)
memcpy(*icon, (data[2]), len * sizeof(unsigned int));

also, seems like 'src' is set on the line before, and subsequently not used.


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Re: [E-devel] e17 segfault caused by ecore, and fix

2005-09-24 Thread Sebastian Dransfeld

David Sharp wrote:

something to do with icons not being there.. anyway, it's a one-liner fix.

fake diff:
ecore_x_netwm.c:654
- if(icon)
+ if(icon  *icon)
memcpy(*icon, (data[2]), len * sizeof(unsigned int));


This shouldn't be possible. If (icon) is true, then we do malloc, and if 
the malloc fails we return.


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[E-devel] Border lag after the signal binding change

2005-09-24 Thread Виктор Кожухаров
I updated the blue_eyed theme with the new singal binding changes, and
noticed that when the window is deiconified (btw, why is the binding
called minimize, and not iconify?), the window is redrawn, and one
second afterwards, the border is redrawn. I thought I messed up the
theme, but this also happens with the default theme, so it's not my
fault :). 



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Re: [E-devel] Border lag after the signal binding change

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:38:09 +0300 Виктор Кожухаров [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 I updated the blue_eyed theme with the new singal binding changes, and
 noticed that when the window is deiconified (btw, why is the binding
 called minimize, and not iconify?), the window is redrawn, and one
 second afterwards, the border is redrawn. I thought I messed up the
 theme, but this also happens with the default theme, so it's not my
 fault :). 

i dont see any issues here?

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[E-devel] Monitor module problem

2005-09-24 Thread Robert May
The Monitor module is acting weird on my system. I have a dual head
monitor running two displays.  Display0 constantly shows cpu usage at
0%, RAM usage displays perfectly, and Eth0 only shows transmit numbers.
On Display1 CPU usage is accurate (compared to gkrellm), RAM usage is
displayed perfectly, Eth0 only shows receive numbers.  This issues only
show up when I am using dual displays.  I cvs update and recompile
everything everyday that I use my system.  Thank you for all of your
hard work!

Respectfully,

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[E-devel] segfault dragging in the pager

2005-09-24 Thread Massimo Maiurana

if I try to drag a window outside of the pager module it's all ok, but
if I try to do the same in the (ex)desktopname popup E segfaults.

attached is a gdb backtrace.

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Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xb778a390 in _pager_window_cb_drag_finished (drag=0x85f6700, dropped=0) at 
e_mod_main.c:2080
2080e_mod_main.c: No such file or directory.
in e_mod_main.c
(gdb) bt
#0  0xb778a390 in _pager_window_cb_drag_finished (drag=0x85f6700, dropped=0) at 
e_mod_main.c:2080
#1  0x080a4600 in e_drag_end (x=148, y=275) at e_dnd.c:406
#2  0x080a4b53 in _e_dnd_cb_mouse_up (data=0x0, type=10, event=0x8606188) at 
e_dnd.c:598
#3  0xb7c7e6dd in _ecore_event_call () at ecore_events.c:431
#4  0xb7c8364b in _ecore_main_loop_iterate_internal (once_only=0) at 
ecore_main.c:629
#5  0xb7c8279f in ecore_main_loop_begin () at ecore_main.c:79
#6  0x0805ac3c in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfcfa984) at e_main.c:569
(gdb) 

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Re: [E-devel] A patch

2005-09-24 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
I don't think dan was trying to make a personal attack. My
understanding was that he was pointing out a lot of time was being
spent responding to design criticisms and not making progress on code.On 9/23/05, Jose O Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Here's a large patch to finish a tiny leftover from the events-frozen
deal..I've inlined the patch here as it's likely not worth attaching.Maybe now Dan will hate me a microscopic amount less for all mycomplaining :)Jose.*
***Index: e17/libs/evas/src/lib/canvas/evas_object_main.c===RCS file:/cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/libs/evas/src/lib/canvas/evas_object_main.c,v
retrieving revision 1.35diff -u -r1.35 evas_object_main.c--- e17/libs/evas/src/lib/canvas/evas_object_main.c 22 Sep 2005 02:52:53- 1.35+++ e17/libs/evas/src/lib/canvas/evas_object_main.c 23 Sep 2005 10:54:39
-@@ -470,7 +470,7 @@if (obj-layer-evas-events_frozen = 0){pass = evas_event_passes_through(obj);- if (pass)+ if (!pass)was = evas_object_is_in_output_rect(obj,
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[E-devel] Re: [e-users] Problems since last CVS upgrade

2005-09-24 Thread Thomas
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
I can't use the mouse on the window list or anything anymore. Can't
minimize, maximize, close or open options dialog or anything. I ned
help :[
 use the default theme for starters, as for the mouse - works here :)
I updated from CVS today, and all themes except the default have broken.
 None of the titlebar buttons work.  Has something changed recently that
I missed? Have the name of the signals changed? If so I'll be happy to
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Re: [E-devel] e17 segfault caused by ecore, and fix

2005-09-24 Thread David Sharp
On 9/24/05, Sebastian Dransfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 David Sharp wrote:
  something to do with icons not being there.. anyway, it's a one-liner fix.
 
  fake diff:
  ecore_x_netwm.c:654
  - if(icon)
  + if(icon  *icon)
  memcpy(*icon, (data[2]), len * sizeof(unsigned int));

 This shouldn't be possible. If (icon) is true, then we do malloc, and if
 the malloc fails we return.

yes you are right. saw the size check you added. in fact, this is
exactly the problem. It seems the app (this can probably be blamed on
wxWidgets, b/c the app uses that) is not setting the icon property
correctly, only setting width, but not height, so ARGB data starts at
data[1]. the sanity check you added is not quite sufficient though,
since in this case, len  0 (data[1] is 0xff alpha, and therefore
negative). either cast len to unsigned, or check for len  0 as well.

Though, you could also then try guessing the height like this:
  if( ((num_ret-1) % width)==0)  // num_ret-1 b/c we are guessing
width is missing.
height = (num_ret)-1/width;
assuming you have vars for width and height.. you would also have to
start copying from data+1, not data+2.

David


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[E-devel] E17 I18N Input Methods

2005-09-24 Thread Stafford Horne
Hello, 

A few weeks ago I started working on some code that allows E17 to setup
Input Methods.  This is usually setup in the Xsession script which setup
up all of your default env variables and starts and support programs
needed for input. 

The goal is to have support of input methods managed by enlightenment.

Design:

Currently e17 internally has a list input methods is a static list of
Language_Pack Structures.  This list can at the moment not be updated. I
intend for, some time in the future, the Language_Pack to be used for
more than just the Input Method but also setting up fonts and what not. 

When setting up Input Method we will configure the following env vars. 

GTK_IM_MODULE
QT_IM_MODULE
XMODIFIERS
GTk_IM_MODULE_FILE - This may not be needed, I think its best this
config is done by the system and not E. But raster suggested it. 

Look at the patch for more info.

Usage:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]$ enlightenment_remote -input-method-list
REPLY - BEGIN
REPLY: scim
REPLY: uim
REPLY - END

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]$ enlightenment_remote -input-method-get
REPLY - BEGIN
REPLY: scim
REPLY - END

...

Anyway,  If it looks ok for now I can commit it.  I haven't had time to
work on it for a while and it has been working fine for me in setting up
scim whenever I use e. 


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? e_intl_im.patch
? e_intl_im-001.diff
Index: e_config.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_config.c,v
retrieving revision 1.102
diff -u -r1.102 e_config.c
--- e_config.c	22 Sep 2005 20:20:33 -	1.102
+++ e_config.c	25 Sep 2005 01:18:52 -
@@ -340,6 +340,7 @@
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, transient.desktop, INT); /**/
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, transient.iconify, INT); /**/
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, modal_windows, INT); /**/
+   E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, input_method, STR); /**/
 
e_config = e_config_domain_load(e, _e_config_edd);
if (e_config)
@@ -457,6 +458,7 @@
 	e_config-transient.desktop = 1;
 	e_config-transient.iconify = 1;
 	e_config-modal_windows = 1;
+	e_config-input_method = NULL;
 	
 	  {
 	 E_Config_Module *em;
@@ -1402,6 +1404,9 @@
if ((e_config-language)  (strlen(e_config-language)  0))
  e_intl_language_set(e_config-language);

+   if ((e_config-input_method)  (strlen(e_config-input_method)  0))
+ e_intl_input_method_set(e_config-input_method);
+   
return 1;
 }
 
Index: e_config.h
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_config.h,v
retrieving revision 1.52
diff -u -r1.52 e_config.h
--- e_config.h	22 Sep 2005 20:20:33 -	1.52
+++ e_config.h	25 Sep 2005 01:18:52 -
@@ -150,6 +150,7 @@
int cursor_size;
int menu_autoscroll_margin;
int menu_autoscroll_cursor_margin;
+   char	  *input_method;
struct {
 	intmove;
 	intresize;
Index: e_intl.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_intl.c,v
retrieving revision 1.40
diff -u -r1.40 e_intl.c
--- e_intl.c	14 Sep 2005 20:19:44 -	1.40
+++ e_intl.c	25 Sep 2005 01:18:52 -
@@ -6,8 +6,6 @@
 
 /* TODO List:
  * 
- * * load/save language in config so u can change language runtime via a gui and/or ipc
- * * add ipc to get/set/list languages, get language name, simplified language string, etc. (so a config tool can be written to display supported languages and be able to select from them)
  * * add more language names to the language name list list in e_intl_language_name_get()
  * * as we get translations add languages to the simplified lang list (C and en are currently the same, ja is a test translation - incomplete)
  */
@@ -19,12 +17,21 @@
 static char *_e_intl_language = NULL;
 static Evas_List *_e_intl_languages = NULL;
 
+static char *_e_intl_orig_gtk_im_module_file = NULL;
+static char *_e_intl_orig_xmodifiers = NULL;
+static char *_e_intl_orig_qt_im_module = NULL; 
+static char *_e_intl_orig_gtk_im_module = NULL;
+static char *_e_intl_input_method = NULL;
+static Evas_List *_e_intl_input_methods = NULL;
+
 #define ADD_LANG(lang) _e_intl_languages = evas_list_append(_e_intl_languages, lang)
+#define ADD_IM(method) _e_intl_input_methods = evas_list_append(_e_intl_input_methods, method)
 
 int
 e_intl_init(void)
 {
char *s;
+   E_Language_Pack *elp;

if (_e_intl_languages) return 1;
 
@@ -72,9 +79,38 @@
if ((s = getenv(LANGUAGE))) _e_intl_orig_language = strdup(s);
if ((s = getenv(LC_ALL))) _e_intl_orig_lc_all = strdup(s);
if ((s = getenv(LANG))) _e_intl_orig_lang = strdup(s);
+
+   if ((s = getenv(GTK_IM_MODULE))) _e_intl_orig_gtk_im_module = strdup(s);
+   if ((s = getenv(QT_IM_MODULE))) 

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Problems since last CVS upgrade

2005-09-24 Thread Brian Mattern
Thomas wrote:

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  

I can't use the mouse on the window list or anything anymore. Can't
minimize, maximize, close or open options dialog or anything. I ned
help :[
  

use the default theme for starters, as for the mouse - works here :)


I updated from CVS today, and all themes except the default have broken.
 None of the titlebar buttons work.  Has something changed recently that
I missed? Have the name of the signals changed? If so I'll be happy to
patch up all the themes I have.
  

Yes, window actions are no longer dependendent upon signals, but use
part names instead. This way we can have configurable bindings for mouse
events. So, either parts need to be renamed, or new parts need to be
added with the proper names. (I went with the second route for winter,
but the first is probably easier.)

A current quick list of signals and part names is at:
http://rephorm.com/files/border_sigs

The second line of each block is the part name, so you just need to make
sure that parts with these names exist.
Then, you can delete any of the old programs that signalled e to perform
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Re: [E-devel] First project submittal -- a calendar module

2005-09-24 Thread Dale Anderson
Yeah my bad , relying on autofoo to do the right thing isnt a good idea 
.


Dale.
On 24/09/2005, at 2:47 AM, Michael Jennings wrote:


On Thursday, 22 September 2005, at 13:38:33 (+1200),
Dale Anderson wrote:


/me spanks  Nathan

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/source/e17/apps/e_modules$ grep -R
'/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/'  src/modules/calendar/*
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:ACLOCAL = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run aclocal-1.7
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:AMTAR = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run tar
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:AUTOCONF = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run autoconf
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:AUTOHEADER = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run autoheader
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:AUTOMAKE = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run automake-1.7
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:MAKEINFO = ${SHELL}
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/missing --run makeinfo
src/modules/calendar/images/Makefile:install_sh =
/opt/DEVEL/e17/apps/e_modules/install-sh
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/me spanks Dale.

The Makefile gets overwritten by ./configure.

Now watch where you spank!

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Re: [E-devel] e17 segfault caused by ecore, and fix

2005-09-24 Thread Sebastian Dransfeld

David Sharp wrote:

On 9/24/05, Sebastian Dransfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


David Sharp wrote:


something to do with icons not being there.. anyway, it's a one-liner fix.

fake diff:
ecore_x_netwm.c:654
- if(icon)
+ if(icon  *icon)
   memcpy(*icon, (data[2]), len * sizeof(unsigned int));


This shouldn't be possible. If (icon) is true, then we do malloc, and if
the malloc fails we return.



yes you are right. saw the size check you added. in fact, this is
exactly the problem. It seems the app (this can probably be blamed on
wxWidgets, b/c the app uses that) is not setting the icon property
correctly, only setting width, but not height, so ARGB data starts at
data[1]. the sanity check you added is not quite sufficient though,
since in this case, len  0 (data[1] is 0xff alpha, and therefore
negative). either cast len to unsigned, or check for len  0 as well.

Though, you could also then try guessing the height like this:
  if( ((num_ret-1) % width)==0)  // num_ret-1 b/c we are guessing
width is missing.
height = (num_ret)-1/width;
assuming you have vars for width and height.. you would also have to
start copying from data+1, not data+2.


Now we check:

1. Do we have two elements.
2. Multiply element 1 and 2, since they are unsigned, we get a number  
0. Check if the number is greater than the amount of data we get.


This may return a weird result, but it shouldn't be possible to segv.

Sebastian


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Re: [E-devel] e17 segfault caused by ecore, and fix

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:08:40 -0700 David Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On 9/24/05, Sebastian Dransfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  David Sharp wrote:
   something to do with icons not being there.. anyway, it's a one-liner fix.
  
   fake diff:
   ecore_x_netwm.c:654
   - if(icon)
   + if(icon  *icon)
   memcpy(*icon, (data[2]), len * sizeof(unsigned int));
 
  This shouldn't be possible. If (icon) is true, then we do malloc, and if
  the malloc fails we return.
 
 yes you are right. saw the size check you added. in fact, this is
 exactly the problem. It seems the app (this can probably be blamed on
 wxWidgets, b/c the app uses that) is not setting the icon property
 correctly, only setting width, but not height, so ARGB data starts at
 data[1]. the sanity check you added is not quite sufficient though,
 since in this case, len  0 (data[1] is 0xff alpha, and therefore
 negative). either cast len to unsigned, or check for len  0 as well.
 
 Though, you could also then try guessing the height like this:
   if( ((num_ret-1) % width)==0)  // num_ret-1 b/c we are guessing
 width is missing.
 height = (num_ret)-1/width;
 assuming you have vars for width and height.. you would also have to
 start copying from data+1, not data+2.

i'll opt for the fuck you xwwidgets option :) (nothing personal!) basically
if an application/widget set cannot set the property correctly - we shoudl be
free to happily entirely ignore it as corrupt/invalid :)

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Re: [E-devel] Slow startup with lots of eap's.

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:10:12 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:33:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:26:44 +1000 David Seikel
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   takes seventeen seconds to boot on a test box that is one tenth the
   power of my Athlon.
  
  17 seconds! you can do better than that! i challeng you to get it to
  below 10! i am actually quite sure it can be done. i've had a machine
  boot lilo -X running glxgears in 1.6 seconds. (yes linux) there are
  well - come hacks invovled, but you could manage 10 to a graphical
  login i would say. :)
 
 The 17 seconds is for an average Pentium 300, I'm sure my Athlon 3000+
 can do a lot better.  I'm waiting for Xorg to release their modular X,
 which should happen next month according to their web site.  Then I can
 apply my 'start the bare minimum to support the user logging in and
 doing something useful, then start the rest in the background' tricks to
 X.  At the moment, the bulk of getting logged in graphically is spent in
 X before it starts the display manager.

actually - here's a hint. x actually loads EVERY module when it starts to find
out whats there - that means every driver, every extension file etc. it may
only end up using a few but it literally does a heap of disk work on them
anyway (for interest - start x and put it under strace - log it and check the
output and see all the disk io it does for modules etc.).

one great way to get x to start fast - remove anything you dont use or need :)
(or fix x to not go read everything!) :) another is to hack the driver to to
avoid useless re-setting of chips (eg in laptops often you can get another 0.5
seconds by not resetting the gfx controller - the backlight stays on and you
get an almost seamless transition to gfx mode. this of course could have other
implications... like on buggy chipsets or ones with unknown states it may not
work properly)

  but but! congrats on CARING and WORKIng at it. it seems this is not
  somehting major distros care much about and i agree is a pain. slow
  boots. bloat. everything. agreed 100%.
 
 I thought you would appreciate it.  I'll keep you informed.
 
  i am so glad you brought this up. this now enters one of my favorite
  domains: OPTIMISING! i love optimising things :) and well - i didnt
  realise a large collection of eaps would kill you. for info - how many
  do you have? just give me a quick count of /bin/ls
  ~/.e/e/applications/*.eap | wc -l
 
 I also love optimising things, I have done a lot of work with
 micro controller powered appliances.
 
 1641 eap files.  To put that into perspective, SuSE 9.3 Professional
 ships with 4061 packages for x86, although some of those are libraries,
 fonts, and other things that don't end up in the menu.

hmm - i still think you have some gross disk IO issues. i may have only a
fraction - but e starts in like  1 second for me (200 not 1600, but i dont get
like a 20 / 8 (2.something) second extra lag. what fs are u using? ext2? ext3?
xfs? reiser? what disk? whats its IO capacity? (hpardm -t /dev/device) ?

  of the eap colelciton a nightmare. the solution i'm thinking now is a
  cache - a cache file listing all metadata for all .eap's in a dir that
  can be updated by E itself or an external cmd-line tool. e will load
  the cache first (ine one big seamless load from start to end) and then
  in slow-burn timers scan the cache to match up real files. if real
  fiels have changed since the cache was made, or if files have vanished
  they will be remvoed from the cache and the cache re-written. files
  not in the cache will be added. this should improve things by light
  years. :)
  
 Sounds good to me, and I'll be glad to be the guinea pig for that, or at
 least send you my eap collection.  Just be careful to get the cache

if i need to i can fake up a massive collection :) but i'd prefer a small one
for working and ebugging/dev purposes for now :)

btw - partt way through. my 200 eap's use about 6mb of disk. the cache file for
that dir is a touch under 7kb. thats all e has to load on startup - so it
should be massively faster for you in the future. i'm still workign on it and
its not enabled in production code yet. :)

 checking working well and robust, I have seen some shocking
 implementations of similar ideas.  I spend a lot of my time these days

trust me. if there;'s something i've done a LOT it's caches! :) one reason e is
fast IS its caching. evas caches, edje caches... they have in memory caches to
avoid re-opening files and decoding them from disk. this avoids an io pass and
a decode - but even so theres still a kernel disk cache behind that too :)
caches are good. caches RULE! :)

 coding in Java, and it's a pet peeve of mine that I have yet to see a
 properly working Java cache implementation that doesn't require me to
 just delete it on a regular basis.  By regular, I mean every time I
 recompile my Java app, 

[e-devel] patch for viewing eaps' generic and comment fields on menu

2005-09-24 Thread ilLogict
 Hello!

 I'm attaching a patch to display eap's generic and comment fields on menu,
configurable via IPC. You can enable displaying of name/generic/comment field.
With all activated it will look like name (generic) [comment] (default).
 As this was created before the Configuration Panel exists (was first created so
that the shipped emblem and entangle eap will have the name placed and generic
placed where they should be), it also adds the config-apps in the paths to
search for eap's, so just add emblem.eap or entangle.eap to any .order file and
they will show up in the menu (attached modified eaps)!

 Hope this helps!

 Cheers!

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emblem.eap
Description: Binary data


entangle.eap
Description: Binary data
Index: e_apps.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_apps.c,v
retrieving revision 1.67
diff -u -r1.67 e_apps.c
--- e_apps.c	15 Sep 2005 06:25:28 -	1.67
+++ e_apps.c	24 Sep 2005 20:23:02 -
@@ -57,6 +57,7 @@
 static E_App   *_e_apps_all = NULL;
 static char*_e_apps_path_all = NULL;
 static char*_e_apps_path_trash = NULL;
+static char	   *_e_apps_path_config_apps = NULL;
 static Evas_List   *_e_apps_start_pending = NULL;
 
 /* externally accessible functions */
@@ -66,6 +67,9 @@
char *home;
char buf[PATH_MAX];

+   snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s/config-apps, e_prefix_data_get());
+   _e_apps_path_config_apps = strdup(buf);
+   _e_apps_repositories = evas_list_append(_e_apps_repositories, strdup(buf));
home = e_user_homedir_get();
snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), %s/.e/e/applications/trash, home);
_e_apps_path_trash = strdup(buf);
Index: e_config.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_config.c,v
retrieving revision 1.102
diff -u -r1.102 e_config.c
--- e_config.c	22 Sep 2005 20:20:33 -	1.102
+++ e_config.c	24 Sep 2005 20:23:03 -
@@ -340,6 +340,9 @@
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, transient.desktop, INT); /**/
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, transient.iconify, INT); /**/
E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, modal_windows, INT); /**/
+   E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, menu_eap_name_show, INT); /**/
+   E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, menu_eap_generic_show, INT); /**/
+   E_CONFIG_VAL(D, T, menu_eap_comment_show, INT); /**/
 
e_config = e_config_domain_load(e, _e_config_edd);
if (e_config)
@@ -457,6 +460,9 @@
 	e_config-transient.desktop = 1;
 	e_config-transient.iconify = 1;
 	e_config-modal_windows = 1;
+	e_config-menu_eap_name_show = 1;
+	e_config-menu_eap_generic_show = 1;
+	e_config-menu_eap_comment_show = 1;
 	
 	  {
 	 E_Config_Module *em;
@@ -1396,6 +1402,9 @@
E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-cursor_size, 0, 1024);
E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-menu_autoscroll_margin, 0, 50);
E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-menu_autoscroll_cursor_margin, 0, 50);
+   E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-menu_eap_name_show, 0, 1);
+   E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-menu_eap_generic_show, 0, 1);
+   E_CONFIG_LIMIT(e_config-menu_eap_comment_show, 0, 1);

/* apply lang config - exception because config is loaded after intl setup */

Index: e_config.h
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_config.h,v
retrieving revision 1.52
diff -u -r1.52 e_config.h
--- e_config.h	22 Sep 2005 20:20:33 -	1.52
+++ e_config.h	24 Sep 2005 20:23:03 -
@@ -50,7 +50,7 @@
  * defaults for e to work - started at 100 when we introduced this config
  * versioning feature
  */
-#define E_CONFIG_FILE_VERSION 125
+#define E_CONFIG_FILE_VERSION 126
 
 #define E_EVAS_ENGINE_DEFAULT  0
 #define E_EVAS_ENGINE_SOFTWARE_X11 1
@@ -160,6 +160,9 @@
 	inticonify;
} transient;
int modal_windows;
+   int menu_eap_name_show;
+   int menu_eap_generic_show;
+   int menu_eap_comment_show;
 };
 
 struct _E_Config_Module
Index: e_int_menus.c
===
RCS file: /cvsroot/enlightenment/e17/apps/e/src/bin/e_int_menus.c,v
retrieving revision 1.96
diff -u -r1.96 e_int_menus.c
--- e_int_menus.c	22 Sep 2005 08:05:15 -	1.96
+++ e_int_menus.c	24 Sep 2005 20:23:04 -
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 static void _e_int_menus_main_run(void *data, E_Menu *m, E_Menu_Item*mi);
 static void _e_int_menus_main_restart(void *data, E_Menu *m, E_Menu_Item *mi);
 static void _e_int_menus_main_exit   (void *data, E_Menu *m, E_Menu_Item *mi);
-static void _e_int_menus_apps_scan   (E_Menu *m);
+static void _e_int_menus_apps_scan   (E_Menu *m, int eap_fields);
 static void _e_int_menus_apps_start  (void *data, 

Re: [E-devel] Slow startup with lots of eap's.

2005-09-24 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:24:43 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:10:12 +1000 David Seikel
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  the background' tricks to X.  At the moment, the bulk of getting
  logged in graphically is spent in X before it starts the display
  manager.
 
 actually - here's a hint. x actually loads EVERY module when it starts
 to find out whats there - that means every driver, every extension
 file etc. it may only end up using a few but it literally does a heap
 of disk work on them anyway (for interest - start x and put it under
 strace - log it and check the output and see all the disk io it does
 for modules etc.).

This is why I am waiting for the Xorg modular tree to come out (soon,
soon, Real Soon Now they say).  Once I have that I can start to classify
the modules into optional, needed, and needed later categories.  It's a
lot more work doing that to the current monolithic X.  Once classified,
I will then know what to start now, what to start in parallel after
starting entranced, what to leave out completely, and what to hack for
speed.

 hmm - i still think you have some gross disk IO issues. i may have
 only a fraction - but e starts in like  1 second for me (200 not
 1600, but i dont get like a 20 / 8 (2.something) second extra lag.
 what fs are u using? ext2? ext3? xfs? reiser? what disk? whats its IO
 capacity? (hpardm -t /dev/device) ?

ext3.  As part of my what can boot faster work I did some timing
tests.  Others where faster at writing, but booting is more read bound,
and ext3 won the boot race.  Xfs was a close second, and I would
recommend it for multimedia work, since it gave more consistent times,
and it was designed for multimedia work.  Reiser and JFS where both much
slower, but again there was not much difference between the two.  I have
not tried Reiser 4 yet.  I also only tried journalling file systems, so
ext2 was not part of the tests.

cluster:/home/dvs1 # hdparm -t /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffered disk reads:  148 MB in  3.01 seconds =  49.19 MB/sec

Are you reading in all of the eap at start up?  For some strange reason
most of the e17genmenu generated eaps are around 92KB.  On the other
hand, I put off a new HD purchase to buy my wireless modem, so space is
tight. Thousands of eaps may have got scattered all over the disk.  E17
startup with thousands of eaps may be seek bound on my computer.

 btw - partt way through. my 200 eap's use about 6mb of disk. the cache
 file for that dir is a touch under 7kb. thats all e has to load on
 startup - so it should be massively faster for you in the future. i'm
 still workign on it and its not enabled in production code yet. :)

Let me know when I can try it out.
 
  Oh well, back to struggling to get a cvs update of e17 out of
  sourceforge.  Man that can be painful some times.  Yesterday I did a
  cvs update out of sourceforge for ONE OF MY OWN PROJECTS, using my
  account and everything.  Took five hours for something that should
  have taken minutes.  Hmm, got e17, but can't get the misc module
  yet.
 
 i havent seen anything that bad yet. are you pn dialup? :)

Nope, I'm on something called iBurst, which is a new technology that may
be called something else if it exists at all in your country.  It's
propietry wireless broadband that is more like mobile phones than
current WiFi.  I don't have to worry about finding a hot spot, as it
works anywhere in the city.  Australia is a small continent with most of
the population hugging the coast, and very large expanses of nothing in
the middle.  Things like mobile phones and iBurst are not likely to work
50 kms away from the coast.  iBurst is new, so it doesn't yet have the
same coverage as mobiles, but they are working on it.  On the plus side,
an iBurst tower has greater range than a GSM tower, so they will need
less of them.  Getting decent telecommunications outside the main cities
is a big political bun fight at the moment.

My Internet access is the equivilent of ADSL, but without the telephone
line, or any other wires.  It even works while on the move, but since I
have a desktop, I would still need to plug into a power socket.  Laptop
users can use it while driving on the freeways, and I could probably use
it on the City Cat ferries, catamerans that are part of the public
transport system in this city.  If only they would let me use their
power. B-(

At any rate, the really slow cvs was not due to limited bandwidth at my
end, as it spent most of that five hours just siting there doing
nothing.  The e17 network monitor said 0B for most of that time,
unless I was doing other net stuff.  SourceForge sometimes has major
performance problems, and when they do they often give priority to
account holders over anonymous cvs, and they may even give priority to
paid subscribers, I wouldn't know, I'm not a paid subscriber.  I don't
have cvs access to enlightenment from my SourceForge account, so when
updating e17 I get the 

Re: [E-devel] Slow startup with lots of eap's.

2005-09-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:29:47 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:24:43 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:10:12 +1000 David Seikel
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
  
   the background' tricks to X.  At the moment, the bulk of getting
   logged in graphically is spent in X before it starts the display
   manager.
  
  actually - here's a hint. x actually loads EVERY module when it starts
  to find out whats there - that means every driver, every extension
  file etc. it may only end up using a few but it literally does a heap
  of disk work on them anyway (for interest - start x and put it under
  strace - log it and check the output and see all the disk io it does
  for modules etc.).
 
 This is why I am waiting for the Xorg modular tree to come out (soon,
 soon, Real Soon Now they say).  Once I have that I can start to classify
 the modules into optional, needed, and needed later categories.  It's a
 lot more work doing that to the current monolithic X.  Once classified,
 I will then know what to start now, what to start in parallel after
 starting entranced, what to leave out completely, and what to hack for
 speed.
 
  hmm - i still think you have some gross disk IO issues. i may have
  only a fraction - but e starts in like  1 second for me (200 not
  1600, but i dont get like a 20 / 8 (2.something) second extra lag.
  what fs are u using? ext2? ext3? xfs? reiser? what disk? whats its IO
  capacity? (hpardm -t /dev/device) ?
 
 ext3.  As part of my what can boot faster work I did some timing
 tests.  Others where faster at writing, but booting is more read bound,
 and ext3 won the boot race.  Xfs was a close second, and I would
 recommend it for multimedia work, since it gave more consistent times,
 and it was designed for multimedia work.  Reiser and JFS where both much
 slower, but again there was not much difference between the two.  I have
 not tried Reiser 4 yet.  I also only tried journalling file systems, so
 ext2 was not part of the tests.
 
 cluster:/home/dvs1 # hdparm -t /dev/hda
 
 /dev/hda:
  Timing buffered disk reads:  148 MB in  3.01 seconds =  49.19 MB/sec

ok- thats fast enough. weird that it takes 20 seconds to load those files.
weird. anyway - cache is now done. i have dne some levels of testing and it
seems to work and update etc. feel free to try it out. it's in cvs now.

 Are you reading in all of the eap at start up?  For some strange reason

no- only the header whihc will be a few hundred bytes at most, and then
selected pieces of data from the file (it seeks to them and loads what it
needS) in reality the data loaded is only like  1kb of actual data, but with
buffered file opes it may end up loading in a good 4 or 8k or more of the file
- times each file and lots of seeks.

 most of the e17genmenu generated eaps are around 92KB.  On the other
 hand, I put off a new HD purchase to buy my wireless modem, so space is
 tight. Thousands of eaps may have got scattered all over the disk.  E17
 startup with thousands of eaps may be seek bound on my computer.

thats what i'm thinking. i have gobs of free space and i dont even notice
it. :) my disk only pulls about 40mb/sec here on my desktop.

  btw - partt way through. my 200 eap's use about 6mb of disk. the cache
  file for that dir is a touch under 7kb. thats all e has to load on
  startup - so it should be massively faster for you in the future. i'm
  still workign on it and its not enabled in production code yet. :)
 
 Let me know when I can try it out.

now - well wait 6-12hrs till it hits anon cvs :)

   Oh well, back to struggling to get a cvs update of e17 out of
   sourceforge.  Man that can be painful some times.  Yesterday I did a
   cvs update out of sourceforge for ONE OF MY OWN PROJECTS, using my
   account and everything.  Took five hours for something that should
   have taken minutes.  Hmm, got e17, but can't get the misc module
   yet.
  
  i havent seen anything that bad yet. are you pn dialup? :)
 
 Nope, I'm on something called iBurst, which is a new technology that may

ooh! that one - yeah - the sydney wireless boardband - they bought up a bunch
of 3g licenses unused for cheap and built a data network for internet access
around it :) i know of it :)

 be called something else if it exists at all in your country.  It's
 propietry wireless broadband that is more like mobile phones than
 current WiFi.  I don't have to worry about finding a hot spot, as it
 works anywhere in the city.  Australia is a small continent with most of
 the population hugging the coast, and very large expanses of nothing in
 the middle.  Things like mobile phones and iBurst are not likely to work
 50 kms away from the coast.  iBurst is new, so it doesn't yet have the
 same coverage as mobiles, but they are working on it.  On the plus side,
 an iBurst tower has greater range than a GSM tower, so they will need
 less of them.  Getting decent