Re: [E-devel] {Spam?} Re: Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > Get-e *was* good, and useful. It could've done more in terms of this and > that, > but so could everything. But I don't see why everyone feels that 'there can be > only one' of anything. I just don't understand this persistent idea that I've > seen here often. It's not good to have that, not at all. Sure, it's of course easy to upload things 2 times, to be sure that all the modules are at the same version, same for all themes, etc... > Why can't there be many sites each catering to specific needs.. I agree here. But with get-e.org and exchange, we had 2 sites that host the *same* things. It would be a pain to maintain both sites, especially if the number of themes, background apps, modules, etc... grows a lot. Vincent - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Brian wrote: > Hello everyone, > > to make this clear, GET-E.org will be closed. Exchange is a good > improvement and i like the idea to have everything under the e.org > domain. Also i see no sense in having two sites, providing the same. > The site will be up for a while until all the themes are moved to the > new domain. > Thanks for supporting GET-E.org over the years, i guess we did a good > job. :) > > Greets, > Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy > Get-e *was* good, and useful. It could've done more in terms of this and that, but so could everything. But I don't see why everyone feels that 'there can be only one' of anything. I just don't understand this persistent idea that I've seen here often. It's not good to have that, not at all. And if we take it to its natural conclusion, any attempt to improve or create something new or different would be met with resistance or hostility (for daring to challenge the status quo, the established designate, the official power, etc). Why can't there be many sites each catering to specific needs.. each possibly supporting some base set of apis/services and some specific ones? Whay can't every app, that wants to, have one or more net-based 'extensions'? There's so much that can be done.. and yet often, all I sense is a desire for restriction...? > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24:40PM +0800, Toma wrote: > >> Ladies and Gentlemen! >> >> We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: >> http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org >> >> This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications >> and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, >> and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to >> automatically detect themes and allow users >> to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. >> >> Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully >> become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. >> >> We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking >> around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on >> there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a >> great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show >> some appreciation for all your hard effort! >> >> >> For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the >> Exchange, we have a full API documented here: >> http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct >> any questions about the API to iamsthitha) >> >> mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you >> download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the >> website and go through the hassle of installing them. >> http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary >> (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to >> keep an eye on!) >> >> - >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> ___ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > Save on Cell Phones. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nRN1Hu6EdYdnVXtZNCKz0HT6ugbbJPxXNmcUbHh4yWT11y8/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
Gustavo wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri schrieb: >> >>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jose Gonzalez schrieb: > (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: > *** > > void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); > void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); > > Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or > EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. > > > void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool tr, > Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool > br); > > The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). > > Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will be > defined > to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding > whether to have > it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. > > > I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to have an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. And if corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses shouldn't be much tougher than that, probably easier. >>> There is just one problem to these: resources to implement. :-( >>> >>> >>> >> Yup, i know that :). I just wanted to mention that there are people out >> there that do need/want that feature. I personally don't need it and >> probably many other don't need it either. So I wanted to bring it to mind >> that there are some people asking for it. Nothing more. >> > > I'd really like to see jose ideas and also filters in Evas. > Personnally I'll work on filters as soon as I have time, but I'd like > to see someone taking care of this gfx api... more specifically I'd > like to see someone integrate some existing gfx api in Evas, like > antigrain or cairo. > Most of the work involves getting this 'into' evas, the actual routines are fairly approachable - except for anything to do with thick stroking of arbitrary polys or paths.. that should be left til later, but hopefully Cedric and Jorge can get poly filling and also maybe work out a "path" obj api and again a fill implementation. I'll get most of the api I proposed in place, with a sample software implementation to work from -- no filters though, I'm leaving that for you and Carsten. :) As to external gfx apis for rendering to evas.. As I mentioned briefly before, it would be fairly straightforward to have both a "cairo" evas object and an "agg" one (maybe easier, I think this only draws to mem buffers?). One just needs a bit of extensibility to the engines to allow for 'object modules' (since these two would be examples of such). But you can also have it by getting the 'native surface' stuff finished off -- that would allow you to use various apis to render to targets like pictures, gl textures, etc. with whatever api you know that can draw to such one way or another.. you'd just then need to wrap this better via smart objs (with render-pre funcs) to get a more refined api if desired. Click here to compare top medical billing products, get demos, and quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oiDnOGnerZMRqWIR1nfQppMoRKhaO0MAxacJ1whBNtd6Xve/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
Peter wrote: > Jose Gonzalez schrieb: >> (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: >> *** >> >> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); >> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); >> >> Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or >> EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. >> >> >> void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool >> tr, >> Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool >> br); >> >> The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). >> >> Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will >> be defined >> to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding >> whether to have >> it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. >> > > I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to > have an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. > And if corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses > shouldn't be much tougher than that, probably easier. > With the particular api I proposed here for rounded rect corners, one gets circles as a particular case (when the corner radius is >= the half the rect size). One could get ellipses too by modifying the api slightly to be of the form: void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radii_set(obj, float rx, float ry); So, keep looking, thinking, contrast and compare with others, etc.. and suggesting improvements. :) Compare Cell Phone Carriers- Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oHH6UoBr8w1J7mUKmnlVzsmpCQgIxdUFjQeg0uDr5WmAOMQ/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri schrieb: >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Jose Gonzalez schrieb: >>> (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: *** void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool tr, Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool br); The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will be defined to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding whether to have it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. >>> >>> I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to have >>> an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. And if >>> corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses shouldn't be >>> much tougher than that, probably easier. >>> >> >> There is just one problem to these: resources to implement. :-( >> >> > > Yup, i know that :). I just wanted to mention that there are people out > there that do need/want that feature. I personally don't need it and > probably many other don't need it either. So I wanted to bring it to mind > that there are some people asking for it. Nothing more. I'd really like to see jose ideas and also filters in Evas. Personnally I'll work on filters as soon as I have time, but I'd like to see someone taking care of this gfx api... more specifically I'd like to see someone integrate some existing gfx api in Evas, like antigrain or cairo. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri schrieb: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Jose Gonzalez schrieb: >> >>> (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: >>> *** >>> >>> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); >>> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); >>> >>> Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or >>> EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. >>> >>> >>> void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool tr, >>> Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool br); >>> >>> The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). >>> >>> Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will be >>> defined >>> to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding whether >>> to have >>> it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. >>> >>> >> I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to have >> an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. And if >> corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses shouldn't be >> much tougher than that, probably easier. >> > > There is just one problem to these: resources to implement. :-( > > Yup, i know that :). I just wanted to mention that there are people out there that do need/want that feature. I personally don't need it and probably many other don't need it either. So I wanted to bring it to mind that there are some people asking for it. Nothing more. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Peter Wehrfritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jose Gonzalez schrieb: >> (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: >> *** >> >> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); >> void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); >> >> Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or >> EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. >> >> >> void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool tr, >> Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool br); >> >> The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). >> >> Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will be >> defined >> to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding whether >> to have >> it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. >> > > I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to have > an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. And if > corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses shouldn't be > much tougher than that, probably easier. There is just one problem to these: resources to implement. :-( -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
I don't see any problem here, too. As morlenxus said: exchange is intended to replace get-e. e17-stuff.org is third party, doesn't have any quality standards and is nothing more than a list with random themes, apps, and dozens of things that have nothing to do with E at all - nothing to care about. So there is (will be) one site, where's the problem? I still hope that exchange will get some kind of moderation, but altogether I like the idea and hope for a good integration into E itself. On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed, one of the main reasons for creating exchange was to make a > webapp that was a lot more tightly integrated with the efl. > Personally, I would like to see a ecore-style C library for exchange, > so that people can just plop it into their apps and get a full > repository of themes for their specific app. > Exchange already records version numbers, so your themes could have > automatic updates as well! > And we can certainly do more to bridge the gap between the desktop and > the web. But we gotta be careful, we go too far and you'll start > seeing browsers in text editors! > > As far as websites go, as morlenxus said, get-e.org will be going > away. I am going to miss the news articles that morlenxus posts > regularly, so hopefully, we'll see him posting news on the front page > of enlightenment.org > e17-stuff.org seems to be operated by somebody else (not the e > community) for ad revenue, and also seems to be down as I am writing > this email... exchange should become the main site for themes, > especially after we get desktop integration. > > -Sthitha > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vincent wrote: > > > >> > >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >> > >>> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of > >>> "e-and-the-web" would > >>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. > >>> But what's > >>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it > >>> to evolve > >>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like > >>> get-e or e17-stuff. > >>> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the > >>> bleeding edge > >>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be > >>> far more > >>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to > >>> deal with for > >>> users, developers, designers,... > >>> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be > >>> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and > >>> that means having some kind of > >>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their > >>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what > >>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. > >>> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. > >>> Exchange did, > >>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) > >> > >> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because > >> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one > >> is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the > >> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should > >> exist and which ones should die. > >> > > > > Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here - > it's > > about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make > it easy > > for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access > content, etc. > > from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot. > > > > > > > > > > > > Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXhNFktNJjMQm6Pw9Kcu1oKmDjiRFVjePuycSMQJqbMqr/ > > > > - > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the > world > > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing lis
Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.
Jose Gonzalez schrieb: > (4) Extensions to the current rectangle obj api: > *** > > void evas_object_rectangle_corner_radius_set(obj, float r); > void evas_object_rectangle_corner_style_set(obj, int corner_style); > > Where 'corner_style' can be one of EVAS_CORNER_ROUND or > EVAS_CORNER_BEVEL. > > > void evas_object_rectangle_corners_set(obj, Evas_Bool tl, Evas_Bool tr, > Evas_Bool bl, Evas_Bool br); > > The corners to apply the style to, or leave squared off (default). > > Rectangles can be filled and/or stroked, but the stroking will be > defined > to increase inward - though one could also add an api for deciding whether to > have > it centered on the rect, or increase inward or outward. > I'm not familiar with evas internals, but maybe it'd be possible to have an evas_object_ellipse. I had several demands on irq for that. And if corners for rectangles are possible circles or ellipses shouldn't be much tougher than that, probably easier. Peter - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Indeed, one of the main reasons for creating exchange was to make a webapp that was a lot more tightly integrated with the efl. Personally, I would like to see a ecore-style C library for exchange, so that people can just plop it into their apps and get a full repository of themes for their specific app. Exchange already records version numbers, so your themes could have automatic updates as well! And we can certainly do more to bridge the gap between the desktop and the web. But we gotta be careful, we go too far and you'll start seeing browsers in text editors! As far as websites go, as morlenxus said, get-e.org will be going away. I am going to miss the news articles that morlenxus posts regularly, so hopefully, we'll see him posting news on the front page of enlightenment.org e17-stuff.org seems to be operated by somebody else (not the e community) for ad revenue, and also seems to be down as I am writing this email... exchange should become the main site for themes, especially after we get desktop integration. -Sthitha On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vincent wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: >> >>> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of >>> "e-and-the-web" would >>> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. >>> But what's >>> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it >>> to evolve >>> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like >>> get-e or e17-stuff. >>> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the >>> bleeding edge >>> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be >>> far more >>> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to >>> deal with for >>> users, developers, designers,... >>> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be >>> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and >>> that means having some kind of >>> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their >>> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what >>> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. >>> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. >>> Exchange did, >>> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) >> >> My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because >> [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one >> is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the >> same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should >> exist and which ones should die. >> > > Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here - it's > about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make it > easy > for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access > content, etc. > from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot. > > > > > > Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXhNFktNJjMQm6Pw9Kcu1oKmDjiRFVjePuycSMQJqbMqr/ > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Nightly build log for E17 on 2008-07-20 07:10:03 -0700
Build log for Enlightenment DR 0.17 on 2008-07-20 07:10:03 -0700 Build logs are available at http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs Packages that failed to build: enna http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs/enna.log epdf http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs/epdf.log Packages with no supported build system: entice, esmart_rsvg, exorcist, python-efl, Packages skipped: camE, ecore_dbus, engage, enotes, enscribe, epbb, eplay, erss, etk_server, etox, e_utils, Evas_Perl, evoak, gfx_routines, lvs-gui, med, nexus, notgame, ruby-efl, webcam, Packages that build OK: alarm, bling, calendar, cpu, deskshow, echo, eclair, ecore_li, ecore, edata, edb, e_dbus, edje_editor, edje, edje_viewer, edvi, eet, eflame, eflpp, efm_nav, efm_path, efreet, elapse, elation, elicit, elitaire, e, embrace, embryo, emotion, emphasis, empower, emprint, emu, enesim, engrave, engycad, enhance, enity, enterminus, enthrall, entrance_edit_gui, entrance, entropy, envision, epeg, ephoto, e_phys, epsilon, epx, equate, esmart, estickies, etk_extra, etk, etk-perl, evas, evfs, evolve, ewl, examine, execwatch, exhibit, exml, expedite, express, exquisite, extrackt, feh, flame, forecasts, gevas2, iconbar, iiirk, imlib2_loaders, imlib2, Imlib2_Perl, imlib2_tools, language, mail, mem, mixer, moon, mpdule, net, news, notification, penguins, pesh, photo, rage, rain, screenshot, scrot, skel, slideshow, snow, taskbar, tclock, uptime, weather, winselector, wlan, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l Linux enlightenment2 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux See http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/ for details. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Vincent wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of >> "e-and-the-web" would >> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. >> But what's >> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it >> to evolve >> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like >> get-e or e17-stuff. >> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the >> bleeding edge >> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be >> far more >> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to >> deal with for >> users, developers, designers,... >> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be >> about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and >> that means having some kind of >> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their >> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what >> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. >> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. >> Exchange did, >> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) > > My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because > [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one > is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the > same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should > exist and which ones should die. > Vincent, it's not about merely "content" that I'm discussing here - it's about 'services', 'apis', whatver you want to call them, that would make it easy for devs to make their apps be able to be connected, notified, access content, etc. from any site that might support such apis, services, whatnot. Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXhNFktNJjMQm6Pw9Kcu1oKmDjiRFVjePuycSMQJqbMqr/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
morlenxus wrote: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:01:11AM -0400, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >>Vincent wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: >>> >>> This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become more "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I suppose get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe integrate better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much more refined idea, and with something like live notifications of apps/libs/themes/ whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an app(s) to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :) >>> in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a >>> list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the >>> themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/ >>> >>> That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to >>> have less web sites that do almost the same thing. >>> >>> >> I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" >> would >> be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's >> better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve >> into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or >> e17-stuff. >> Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding >> edge >> of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far >> more >> creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with >> for >> users, developers, designers,... >> It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about >> connecting >> whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some >> kind of >> *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their >> apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what >> be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. >> Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. >> Exchange did, >> at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) >> >> > > GET-E.org has had applications and module code some time ago, i removed > that section because the submitters didn't update the code and so it got > outdated soon. Also GET-E.org was totally different to exchange, it was > keeping an eye at original themes, so it was completly maintained. > Exchange allows the users to submit whatever they want, that will lead > into copyright issues and e17-stuff alike ugly themes. > So there was a reason why we never did the exchange/e17-stuff way. > Also there was an api for downloading files automatically, you might > want to check the theme or background dialog... > I don't think GET-E.org wasn't inovative, but now we had an evolution > and there we have a new better site: exchange > > Greets > > I don't think it's an issue of better sites in the sense of which has better maintainability, or which has better access restrictions, or better looks, or better themes, or lists more apps that's just not my point here. There are many, many ways one could think of to improve the state of things as far as "e and the web" goes, form the hard - like an e-webkit or e-mozilla, or a browser plugin and evolution of edje and the toolkits that would allow for those to be like Flex&Flash (ie. e based web-content and "rich internet apps"), to the simple like an e17-module that can download wallpapers. But there are also a lot of things in-between these, and up and down, and all sorts of combinations (some possibly requiring the harder stuff). Just to give you a simple one, imagine you have your favorite e image viewer desktop app, and it's really cool-looking, and can search for images in your drive, and whatnot.. But, if it were easy to make this app "web-enabled", you could have it do much, much more. You could have it notify you of updates to the app itself, of new themes from selected sites, of new plugins (assuming it has such things), and it could keep a list of fav sites related to wallpapers, images, etc. and allow you to view such images on those sites, download if possible, share with selected people, .. There's a ton of stuff that app could do if it were easy for it to be "web-enabled", both content wise with general and/or selected sites or contacts, and for the app itself (updates, plugins, themes, docs, tutorials, ...). Most any app, with good supporting sites, could become much, much richer. But there need to be mechanisms to make it easy for developers to add such functionality and for sites to cooperate with. If exchange allows for even a *start* on making this kind of thing possible, then that would be better - it really doesn't ma
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:01:11AM -0400, Jose Gonzalez wrote: >Vincent wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > > >> This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e > >> become more > >> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I > >> suppose > >> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe > >> integrate > >> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a > >> much more > >> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of > >> apps/libs/themes/ > >> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus > >> an app(s) > >> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :) > > > > in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a > > list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the > > themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/ > > > > That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to > > have less web sites that do almost the same thing. > > > > I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" > would > be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's > better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve > into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or > e17-stuff. > Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding > edge > of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far more > creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with > for > users, developers, designers,... > It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about > connecting > whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some > kind of > *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their > apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what > be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. > Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange > did, > at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) > GET-E.org has had applications and module code some time ago, i removed that section because the submitters didn't update the code and so it got outdated soon. Also GET-E.org was totally different to exchange, it was keeping an eye at original themes, so it was completly maintained. Exchange allows the users to submit whatever they want, that will lead into copyright issues and e17-stuff alike ugly themes. So there was a reason why we never did the exchange/e17-stuff way. Also there was an api for downloading files automatically, you might want to check the theme or background dialog... I don't think GET-E.org wasn't inovative, but now we had an evolution and there we have a new better site: exchange Greets > > > Don't let your life go up in flames. Click here for the latest fire saftey > products. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oFSuVJPUVBiEVu4VRTx4cg56ClbFduNcKzKYCWM7jg088r1/ > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" > would > be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's > better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve > into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or > e17-stuff. > Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding > edge > of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far > more > creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with > for > users, developers, designers,... > It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about > connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means > having some kind of > *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their > apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what > be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. > Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange > did, > at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) My comment is not about website 1 is better than website 2 because [put what you want here]. I'm not skilled enough to decide which one is better. It is that we have 3 websites that have more or less the same content. We must decide, as soon as possible which one should exist and which ones should die. Vincent - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Hello everyone, to make this clear, GET-E.org will be closed. Exchange is a good improvement and i like the idea to have everything under the e.org domain. Also i see no sense in having two sites, providing the same. The site will be up for a while until all the themes are moved to the new domain. Thanks for supporting GET-E.org over the years, i guess we did a good job. :) Greets, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24:40PM +0800, Toma wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen! > > We are proud to announce the launch of Exchange: > http://www.exchange.enlightenment.org > > This is a new website for exchanging themes, efl based applications > and modules for these applications. It was built specifically for E, > and therefore takes advantage of some of the features of edje to > automatically detect themes and allow users > to find themes for exactly what they want to theme. > > Its also a nice place to showcase your applications and will hopefully > become a central location for people to look for EFL based apps. > > We ask that developers and themers all spend a couple minutes looking > around, create an account and upload some content as the only work on > there so far is a few modules and all of my work. Remember, this is a > great way to get some feedback on your content and for users to show > some appreciation for all your hard effort! > > > For those that want to develop apps that pull/push themes from the > Exchange, we have a full API documented here: > http://code.google.com/p/e17-exchange/wiki/ExchangeAPI (please direct > any questions about the API to iamsthitha) > > mcalamelli is already working on an application that will let you > download and install themes from exchange without having to visit the > website and go through the hassle of installing them. > http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary > (this is still in very early stages as of today, but is something to > keep an eye on!) > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
Vincent wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >> This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e >> become more >> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I >> suppose >> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe >> integrate >> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a >> much more >> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of >> apps/libs/themes/ >> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus >> an app(s) >> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :) > > in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a > list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the > themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/ > > That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to > have less web sites that do almost the same thing. > I agree that discussion on this important aspect of "e-and-the-web" would be excellent, and it's something I tried to mention several times. But what's better about this particular exchange thing is the potential for it to evolve into something far more than the current set of 'themes' sites like get-e or e17-stuff. Those haven't done a thing as far inovation or advancing the bleeding edge of "e and the web", they're just mainly repositories. One needs to be far more creative and bring the web to e in a real-time way that's easy to deal with for users, developers, designers,... It's not about having a mere 'information' repo, it's got to be about connecting whatever "e" is, to the net in a better way... and that means having some kind of *api* to enable devs/themers/users to make their apps/libs/themes/who-knows-what be net-aware, net-enabled, net-connected, net-hell-if-I-know. Get-e could've done it, but it didn't.. it never really tried. Exchange did, at least a good start.. Work together and take it from there. :) Don't let your life go up in flames. Click here for the latest fire saftey products. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oFSuVJPUVBiEVu4VRTx4cg56ClbFduNcKzKYCWM7jg088r1/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On the topic of e17-stuff, it is an unmoderated, poorly maintained website. I think exchange is a much better place than e17-stuff for submitting and browsing in general. Personally, ive taken all my content of e17-stuff for various reasons. On the topic of get-e, i like it. Its great, full of cool things and morlenxus does a great job. But theres alot of unmaintained content there and lack of feedback. That said, a total overhaul of get-e would be needed anyway to keep it in line with the other things on *.enlightenment. The submission process is alot like get-e too, where the content is screened by a mod first. If anything, i would call it an evolution of get-e. Toma On 7/20/08, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > >> This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become >> more >> "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I >> suppose >> get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe >> integrate >> better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much >> more >> refined idea, and with something like live notifications of >> apps/libs/themes/ >> whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an >> app(s) >> to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :) > > in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a > list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the themes, > modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/ > > That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to have > less web sites that do almost the same thing. > > Vincent > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Exchange - A new place to trade themes and showcase applications and modules.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jose Gonzalez wrote: > This is actually damn nice. It's a great example of having e become more > "web-connected", and could yet become something bigger and better. I suppose > get-e could've done something similar, and perhaps it could or maybe integrate > better with this 'exchange', or whatnot... but this is definitely a much more > refined idea, and with something like live notifications of apps/libs/themes/ > whatnot... changes, or updates, or new stuff, or who-knows-what plus an app(s) > to make it easy to do whatever-the-who-knows-what, it'd be very nice. :) in that case, we have 2 sites that gives both the same informations (a list of themes, modules). I even know another site that lists the themes, modules, applications : http://www.e17-stuff.org/ That is a lot, imho. Maybe you should discuss what to do in order to have less web sites that do almost the same thing. Vincent - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
