Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Planet revamped!
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, > > I take over planet.enlightenment.org maintenance, remove the two blogs > that were not talking about E these days (tilman and dj2) and added a > couple of other (dieb, lfelipe), Thank you! > enabled the hackegotchi (so far just > my picture) and I want design guys to help making its look & feel > consistent with other bits of the website (dresb?) > > Want to be on planet? > - send me your RSS/ATOM link, if you often talk about non-e17/efl > things, then send link to specific category > > Want your hackergotchi? > - send me your picture as png or jpeg with size 65x85 > > Let's make it live with E/EFL stuff again, let's rock. > Keep up the good work and make the plane a resource we users can rely on to understand what's going on in the e17 world. Cheers, Emme > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > -- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ___ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-us...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] places, hal and device kit
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:05:37 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Nick Hughart wrote: >> > On Tue, 5 May 2009 10:32:08 +0200 >> > Luca De Marini wrote: >> > >> >> 2009/5/5 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> >> >> > http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=105 >> >> > >> >> > short summary: gnome is leading the move away from HAL to DeviceKit. >> >> > >> >> > Dave, maybe we should take on this and follow they steps? I don't >> >> > know about device kit, but it's meant to be a simple thing, at least >> >> > compared to the huge beast that is hal. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> If I can just say my opinion, Gnome is a very important DE, many of >> >> the apps we use everyday are built in GTK, Firefox included (and >> >> openoffice for example), so I believe staying compatible with Gnome >> >> is very important for us. I'm not saying this because I lead OpenGEU >> >> only. Sure it is important for me, but in general, I think it would >> >> be useless for people having a Gnome session installed to have Hal >> >> too just because they use E17 and the places module requires it. >> >> I say let's follow Gnome's decision on this :) >> >> Dave, tell me if you think it differently.. >> >> Greats, >> > >> > It's not a matter of conforming, HAL is going away. It is barely >> > supported as is and will be completely obsolete as soon as device-kit >> > makes it's way into most distributions/software. So compatibility has >> > nothing to do with it, HAL has been a sinking ship for awhile now. >> >> I agree. > > but like all things - we cant move until it becomes common. a lot of people > arent going to instantly upgrade top the latest distro. wewill need to have > both hal and devicekit code and work in both systems, so that means the hal > stuff will still need to work and live for a few years. > it souds reasonable to me. Expecially given this comment by the debian devicekit packager: The APIs (D-Bus,libraries) of DeviceKit(-*) are still in a bit of a flux, DeviceKit itself is destined to go away very likely in the near future and the functionality will be moved into udev(-extras). DeviceKit-disks and DeviceKit-power are planned to talk to udev directly via libudev. (05 May 2009 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521361#15) Cheers, Emme > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > -- > The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your > production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to > Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 > Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image > processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] NOTICE: svn feature freeze this weekend (April 17-19)
Hi all, On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 08:46:31PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> And freeze is over! Packagers should use revision 40244, I documented >> this in http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/ReleaseSchedule Wonderful piece of news!!! Shouldn't you add it to the enlightenment.org news section? Btw the new site theme is neat, but there is a lot of white space in the front page, is it intentional? > > Could you also just role a set of snapshot tarballs, please? when they are ready, tarballs should appear here http://download.enlightenment.org/ and distribution specific packages (if anyone is working on them) here http://packages.enlightenment.org/ right? I'm particularly interested in packages for debian testing. I think there are several souls building e17 debian packages around, most of them for personal use, some of them are maintaining a public repo. Does any of you have packages from the snapshot? What about putting them in packages.enlightenment.org? Cheers, Emme > > Joerg > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] netbook-launcher using efl
2009/4/6 Sevcsik András : > Hi, > > On Monday 06 April 2009 00:06:58 muzzle wrote: >> this may be slightly off topic, if that's the cas, sorry... >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> wrote: >> [...] >> >> > Ubuntu guys developed its netbook-launcher using Clutter, looks nice >> > but relies on OpenGL. Screen shot at >> > http://www.eeepc.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unr_2.jpg Concept is >> > nice and I really think we can have a even more powerful replacement >> > using EFL, that does not requires OpenGL and will be themeable using >> > edje and all. >> >> I really like the idea of "windows as tabs": >> windows are always maximized, there is no title bar and the task bar >> is looks like a tab bar. >> >> I'm pretty sure that elementary does this "windows are always full >> screen" but can you get that in e17 on a small laptop (I think in >> principle is just a matter of loading a module)? Is there anything >> similar to the "task-bar as a tab-bar"? > > I think your idea is close to have fullscreen windows with a visible tabbar on > a screen edge, isn't it? It would be ideal for small screens. Yes, that's it, something that maximizes the vertical space available for the application while letting me switch between one app an and another fast enough. > Or are you > thinking about a tabbed window solution like in fluxbox? No, fluxbox's tabs are nice, but I do not think they'd be that useful for a netbook. Bye, Emme >[...] -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] netbook-launcher using efl
this may be slightly off topic, if that's the cas, sorry... On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: [...] > Ubuntu guys developed its netbook-launcher using Clutter, looks nice > but relies on OpenGL. Screen shot at > http://www.eeepc.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unr_2.jpg Concept is > nice and I really think we can have a even more powerful replacement > using EFL, that does not requires OpenGL and will be themeable using > edje and all. > I really like the idea of "windows as tabs": windows are always maximized, there is no title bar and the task bar is looks like a tab bar. I'm pretty sure that elementary does this "windows are always full screen" but can you get that in e17 on a small laptop (I think in principle is just a matter of loading a module)? Is there anything similar to the "task-bar as a tab-bar"? Cheers, Emme > My current code is based on latest Elementary (I'm changing things > there as I need) and Evas, Ecore, Edje and EDBus. I used some code > from E17 and also "places" module by Dave Andreolli. It still lacks a > grid view since there is no elm_grid (raster!!!), Volume needs > improving (eject/unmount icon) and feedback, lots of them: errors, > launch... and also implement single instance, TODO list in order could > be: > > - grid for applications (high priority, but harder - I can hack > something using evas tables if no elm_grid shows until I'm done) > - favorites menu on top-left (easy) > - volumes eject/unmount button (easy) > - discover freedesktop.org icon name given a volume and its > properties from HAL (not hard, but needs to investigate - can also go > into "places") > - launch feedback (startup-notification? maybe the same code used > for "single instance" below?) > - error feedback (mount failed, launch failed - easy, use inwin or > something like that) > - THEME!!! I'd like to have one like > http://www.eeepc.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unr_2.jpg so we can > show we do the same, but also another fancier one. > - single instance > - automatically find file manager (try a couple or get from > efreet/freedesktop.org and mime-type association?) > - monitor menu changes > - monitor ~/.gtk-bookmarks files > - exit button and dialog > > To really rock, I'd like to have the following: > > - move each component into a plugin, load from .so and automatically > swallow based on theme parts (gui.swallow.files -> files plugin, > gui.swallow.user_info -> user_info plugin...) > - dialog to change finger-size and escale, much like Raster's > presentation software for BossaConference > - change wallpaper, so we can disable ARGB window and not rely on > composite managers. > > I do not promise anything concrete or reliable soon, this was the work > I did while flying USA->Brazil and I do not have much time to work on > it, but I'll try as I can find some interesting use cases for > Elementary and also can fix some bugs with Efreet and EDBus. > > If you have patches and suggestions, let me know. I plan to add it > under PROTO as soon as I have something bit better. > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN: barbi...@gmail.com > Skype: gsbarbieri > Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 > > -- > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [e-users] new module: systray
I'm very glad someone finally did this, thank you very much Gustavo. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Downknew Wise wrote: > Well done!!! Now e is more usable!!! > > It works without crashes with my systray apps: > emesene > pidgin > network manager > and also gnome-do :) Hi, just a quick off-topic suggestion: I've found that the e17 execute panel is as an acceptable gnome-do replacement (at least for launching other apps), so I just bound it to win-space and got rid of gnome-do. Has someone tried it? Do you like it? Do you e17 hackers think it would be possible/desirable to extend the execute-panel to have search capabilities like gnome-do? Cheers, Emme > > > 2009/3/23 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> For those that do not read svn commits mail list, I just added a >> systray module to E-MODULES-EXTRA/systray. It is very basic but should >> be able to replace trayer or stalonetray or any other tray you're >> using outside e17. >> >> It is still ugly as it will be presented as a plain/solid color and >> not respect theme image. Theme must provide "inset" and "plain" colors >> in order to specify the desired color. By default I used white for >> "inset" and light gray for "plain" so it matches black and white (e17 >> default). I plan to implement a hack in order to improve this >> situation, but I don't know when I'll make this. >> >> Please report bugs and suggestions. >> >> -- >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems >> -- >> MSN: barbi...@gmail.com >> Skype: gsbarbieri >> Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 >> >> >> -- >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> ___ >> enlightenment-users mailing list >> enlightenment-us...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users >> > -- > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] planet?
Hi all, 2 months passed an planet-e is still a random collection of post instead of a news source on enlightenment. Since nobody opposed the idea of removing those developers that do not contribute actively anymore can somebody (Nathan maybe) apply the decision? Cheers, Emme On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > I emailed them. Tim requested that his blog be removed from the planet > and the blogging software Ben uses does not support categories. I can > remove Ben since he isn't really active in E any longer, but I'll let > others voice any objections before I go ahead and remove them. > > Nathan > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >>> dj2 was the one maintaining it. Do you have category specific links >>> for benr and tim? I might have access to the necessary files. >> >> No, I don't. Do you have their contact so we could ask them? >> >> -- >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems >> -- >> MSN: barbi...@gmail.com >> Skype: gsbarbieri >> Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 >> > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] planet?
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Massimiliano Calamelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:15:40 -0200 > "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Who manages planet.enlightenment.org? >> >> 1 - please include raster blog: http://www.rasterman.com/rss.php >> 2 - remove or use E specific categories for blogs from benr and tim. I >> don't know if they're still doing e related stuff, but they're blogs >> had nothing to do with e for a while. >> >> what do you think? > > I absolutely agree. I could not support this more, the signal/noise ratio of e-planet makes it completely useless (to me, at least), please clean it from all the non e-related stuff. Given the current status, I would start by deleting all the subscriptions and ask on irc and on the mailing list who wants to be added, then have them provide an enlightenment-only link. Cheers, Emme (the day I'll start an E project I may call it Emme, but so far it's just my nick :) > > Massimiliano > - -- > Massimiliano Calamelli > http://mcalamelli.netsons.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFJFBdQleGEL56NNP4RAmRMAKDsSpr6eZoOf13iXFH1pfnTvlgsKACglTkG > OEq++ovriElr898EJulGigE= > =bv2y > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [RFC] Eina need to be renamed
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - "muzzle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > elisa > elisa is used by a good media center http://elisa.fluendo.com/ > > what about a simple edata? I added it. It's ranked 2nd at the moment but too few people voted for it, so it's excluded by the quorum rule. If you voted before "edata" was added but you like this name a lot you can vote again, leaving "no opinion" to the other options (please do not vote twice for the same option or I'll have to delete both votes). Otherwise in a while I as the self proclaimed Poll Master will decree "efl-core" the winner: http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/show/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf On a side note I'm very glad to notice that people seem to hate nondescriptive names starting with e. I certainly do, because I can never recall what the hell Elephant, Eunuch, or Electrocution are supposed to stand for. I never complained about it because I think it's a developer's right to choose whatever name s/he likes for it's baby, but maybe you should take it as an advice: *try to choose a descriptive name, if you can*. Cheers, Emme > >> > enora >> > ecorce >> > elnino //pretty strong sence >> > >> > neper : my prefered, because : it's the mathematics constant e :) >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neper or >> > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(nombre) >> > >> > expo >> > elimine >> > epod (french play) >> > ephy >> > e! >> > ekern >> > eon >> > enode >> > >> >> updated, >> those who have already voted can cast a new vote checking "no >> opinion" >> on the options they have already voted for. >> http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/vote/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf >> >> If you want I can post the link to the admin page here, so that >> people >> can add new options by themselves (danger: the admin page let you >> delete others' people vote). >> >> BTW, poll results are here: >> http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/show/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf >> >> Bye, >> >> Emme >> >> > ... >> > >> > -- >> > Steven Le Roux >> > Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > 0x39494CCB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB >> > >> - >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> challenge >> > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win >> great prizes >> > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in >> the world >> > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> > ___ >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > >> >> - >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> challenge >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >> prizes >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the >> world >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> ___ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [RFC] Eina need to be renamed
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > elisa > enora > ecorce > elnino //pretty strong sence > > neper : my prefered, because : it's the mathematics constant e :) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neper or > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(nombre) > > expo > elimine > epod (french play) > ephy > e! > ekern > eon > enode > updated, those who have already voted can cast a new vote checking "no opinion" on the options they have already voted for. http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/vote/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf If you want I can post the link to the admin page here, so that people can add new options by themselves (danger: the admin page let you delete others' people vote). BTW, poll results are here: http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/show/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf Bye, Emme > ... > > -- > Steven Le Roux > Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 0x39494CCB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [RFC] Eina need to be renamed
there you go http://vote.superduperapps.com/polls/vote/l92V6gd4Ic_g7RKf On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Eric Sandall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:33:29 +0200 > "Cedric BAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We have already some proposition, so time to vote : >> http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/362996 > > Where's the option to keep it the same? That's not fair. :( > > -sandalle > > -- > Eric Sandall | Source Mage GNU/Linux Developer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: 0xA8EFDD61 | http://www.sourcemage.org/ > http://eric.sandall.us/ | http://counter.li.org/ #196285 > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Theme version and name
Hi
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok folks! Heres a final revision. Note the removal of e/ so that it
> can be universally used without the need to figure out the leading
> name (if there are any). Also included is 'base_version' to outline
> the base version of the application needed to use the theme. Again,
> its a non-specific name so it can be used universally too. If there
> are no objections, Ill start stuffing this into my themes and hope
> that it gets picked up by everyone else soon enough.
>
> data {
> item: "/theme/name" "Fireball";
> item: "/theme/version" "1.6";
> item: "/theme/license" "GPL";
> item: "/theme/author""Tom Haste ([EMAIL PROTECTED])";
I think it would be useful to have a different field for the author
email and another for the author/theme website. Future theme manager
applications might take advantage of this to let the user send
feedback (or praise) quickly.
Cheers,
Emme
> item: "/theme/base_version" "CVS";
> }
>
> Toma.
>
> Also... CVS can be swapped with '16.999.043' for people that wish to
> stay with the snapshots or the folks in elive can name it accordingly.
>
> 2008/7/2 Dale Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Toma wrote:
> >>
> >> Heres what Ive just spent the last 30 mins doing...
> >>
> >> data {
> >> item: "e/theme/name" "Fireball";
> >> item: "e/theme/version" "1.6";
> >> item: "e/theme/license" "GPL";
> >> item: "e/theme/author""Tom Haste ([EMAIL PROTECTED])";
> >> }
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> data {
> >> item: "etk/theme/name""Fireball-ETK";
> >> item: "etk/theme/version" "1.1";
> >> item: "etk/theme/license" "GPL";
> >> item: "e/theme/author""Tom Haste ([EMAIL PROTECTED])";
> >> }
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> data {
> >>item: "/theme/name" "Fireball-EWL";
> >>item: "/theme/version" "1.2";
> >>item: "/theme/license" "CC License:
> >> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5";;
> >>item: "/theme/author" "Tom Haste ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) & dj2
> >> (www.everburning.com)";
> >>item: "/theme/font_path" "fonts";
> >> }
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> data {
> >> item: "/theme/name" "Fireball-Entrance";
> >> item: "/theme/version""1.1";
> >> item: "/theme/license""GPL";
> >> item: "/theme/author" "Tom Haste ([EMAIL PROTECTED])";
> >> }
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As you can see, the version string is for the theme itself. The naming
> >> I tried to stick to what its actually themeing and in the case of EWL,
> >> I just went with what was already there. Entrance on the other hand,
> >> is a bit of a mess in terms of group names so I just went with
> >> /theme/blah.
> >>
> >> Providing a 'Works with this version' tag is a pain. Im not going to
> >> make themes for different snapshots and CVS. There is only 1 "version"
> >> IMHO and thats CVS. Much like how I dont put version numbers in
> >> filenames, I dont want people building up a directory of old and
> >> broken themes. When one of my themes break (due to CVS changes) I
> >> promptly release and update and thats it.
> >>
> >
> > Thats all very well and fine while e17 is still *in development* , but when
> > there are releases we need to be able to cater for such down the track.
> > Themer's are going to have to take this into account also in the future.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dale.
> >
> >> Im going to spend the next week or so polishing up everything and
> >> revising code and to let this idea sink in.
> >> Toma
> >>
> >>
> >> 2008/7/1 Sthithaprajna Garapaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I like this idea a lot. It would be good to make those fields
> >>> mandatory, and hide
> >>> themes from the theme configuration dialog if they dont have all of
> >>> those fields.
> >>> That would really speed up adoption.
> >>>
> >>> Beyond the e/theme/version (which matches the version of E), I would
> >>> suggest
> >>> adding a version for the theme itself. This would make it easy to do
> >>> automatic
> >>> updates on themes. Seems like Toma suggested this, and then forgot about
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe something like
> >>> item: "e/theme/theme-version" "1.0";
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
>
> I like this idea a lot. It would be good to make those fields
> mandatory, and hide
> themes from the theme configuration dialog if they dont have all of
> those fields.
> That would really speed up adoption.
>
> Beyond the e/theme/version (which matches the version of E), I would
> suggest
> adding a version for the theme itself. This would make it easy to do
> automatic
> updates on themes. Seems like Toma suggested this, and then forgot about
> it.
>
> Maybe something like
> item: "e/theme/theme-version" "1.0";
Re: [E-devel] Themes (Was: News from the E stables)
On Nov 14, 2007 11:50 AM, Thomas Gstädtner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really love detour, especially with the blend-borders and the themes for > etk and ewl. > This theme is currently by far the best theme (ihmo), because all the > widgets look nice and fit, and you get a desktop that just fits and looks > good. > Of course it would be nice to have a detour-gtk-theme, too. :) > > Rasters new default theme looks promising ??? is there a preview around? > and I'm really looking forward to > see what he does to the menus and so on. > It is also great to have a complete and well-documented theme. > What I would like is to have the borders integrated with the all the rest of > the window, just like detour's blend-borders do. just a word in favor of Milky (http://www4.get-e.org/Themes/E17/_images/milky_preview.png) I've always like this theme a lot. It has been somewhat unmaintained in the past, I hope it's author does not let it die. Bye, Emme > > > > On 11/14/07, Alberto Castro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Morten Nilsen wrote: > > > Simon TRENY wrote: > > >> Another possibility would be to use an existing theme. Detour would be > > >> a perfect candidate for the job! It is already complete, it has a > > >> really good look imo and widgets always look good regardless to the > > >> layout. And it will also save you a lot of work. What do you think? > > >> (Tokyo would also have to agree on this of course.. :)) > > > > > > My personal favorites are gant and blue eyed.. > > > > > > Found a screenshot of Detour by means of google*, and I guess that theme > > > also looks OK, I just think the recessed 3D-buttons are a bit much, and > > > a candy cane percent bar doesn't really speak to me.. > > > > The progress bar never turned out as planned. An animated progress bar > > just adds too much overhead. It will get a redo eventually. > > > > > > > > *) http://tinyurl.com/2w3wg4 > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alberto Castro > > +1(773)816.4920 > > http://cored.org/ > > Interface guidelines: An art form that was never alive. > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > ___ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Nightly build log for E17 on 2007-08-04 07:04:27 -0700
On 8/4/07, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is an 'all-ok' mail usefull? In my experience it will 'numb' developers > > into not reading > > the mails after a while. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's all-ok alarm :) > > > > regards, > > > > Koen > > Might be a good way to keep a check on the apps that are getting > skipped/non-supported because they are fail and hence, need some TLC? It looks like the autobuilder served its purpose perfectly. I'm happy to see that developers grew tired of seeing their code reported as not building every freaking morning and did something. I guess the next step would be to try to slim down the skipped list (or work on unsupported build systems), not silence the buildbot until something goes wrong again. BTW I also think that seeing that no package failed to build is good news and it's definitely worth reporting on the dev ml. Bye, Emme > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > ___ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E on a PDA
On 7/23/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:25:35 +1000 Daniel Kasak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > Greetings. > > > > I'm looking at buying a 2nd-hand PDA from Ebay, and I remember some > > posts, news items, etc about E17 running on various PDAs. > > > > Is it at all feasible that I ( as a non-C-developer ) would be able to > > get E17 running on a PDA? If so, which ones do people recommend? Is > > there a particular CPU family, product line, or such that I should stick > > to? > > should work on any of them - almost all pda's are ARM based anyway. as for > more > important requirements - you'll need one that can or does run linux and X11. > other than that - e should be able to be built and work. works on my n800 with > some futzing and removing of the original hildon gui launching scripts. > problem > is that its a desktop wm on a pda - all the text is tiny and the ui is > centered > around a desktop (kbd + mouse) metaphor - of course that can be > changed/improved, but really its a novelty, not a "real usable" ui for pda's > right now. the point is - the same code "just works" on these devices. no > porting needed. what is needed is ui customisation for such environments. > > [...] Hi raster, hi list, could you please summarize the the general status of e17 for embedded? Is anyone still working on eem? Is there some embedded distribution interested in using efl to build their graphic environment (I think angstrom was considering ea e17 environment)? [about angstrom and e17 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24237&st=0&p=164177&#entry164177 ] I remember seeing something on evas and gtk-framebuffer. Was it just an intellectual challenge or is somebody working on an embedded environment that uses e17 and gtk on a framebuffer? There are possibly tons of e17-on-embedded spinoffs that I forgot, can you add those you know of? Cheers, Emme PS I remember a few post on the ml from people looking for hints on using/developing e17 in an embedded environment. There are probably quite a few people scattered around that are have been thinking about e17 for this kind of systems, shouldn't there be at least a page in the e17 wiki, to keep track of those people and projects? - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 themes, etc.
On 6/6/07, Albin Tonnerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:27:38PM +0200, muzzle wrote : > > On 6/6/07, Glen Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > So thanks a lot to lutin (and Glen and Gulivert and Tokyo) for > > creating/updating these themes. Keep up the good work in maintaining > > them, they are probably the only options for some people out there > > with a glossy laptop screen :) > > I also noticed the detour theme (http://code.google.com/p/detour/) which looks very light and clean (although a bit on the gray side for me). BTW how come there are some themes (detour, winter) that are not listed or linked in the e17 themes section? > > Thanks again and bye, > > > > Emme > > > > PS > > I'm glad lutin removed the sliding window title on get/loose focus > > from milky, it sucked way too many resources. > > > > That has *never* been a feature. I don't even know how it could have happened > and actually, wasn't aware of this behavior. However, glad it works well for > you > now :) > I was using Fabio's patches to the Milky theme (to get it to work with the latest e17) maybe it's him that introduced the dreadful feature :) Bye, Emme > -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] E17 themes, etc.
On 6/6/07, Glen Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Allow me to gush for just a moment. > > Brian just posted the return of Milky's and Simply-White and I had > forgotten how much I missed those themes. > Hi, this is just a quick note to tell you why I missed milky and simply white so much. I have a laptop with one of those glossy transreflective screen that becomes a perfect mirror when displaying dark colors. This means that 90% of the enlightenment themes are useless to me (awesome, but useless). The only 3 options I have are clearlooks, milky and simply white. So thanks a lot to lutin (and Glen and Gulivert and Tokyo) for creating/updating these themes. Keep up the good work in maintaining them, they are probably the only options for some people out there with a glossy laptop screen :) Thanks again and bye, Emme PS I'm glad lutin removed the sliding window title on get/loose focus from milky, it sucked way too many resources. -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] [Entrance] SELinux integration
On 8/10/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:15:26 +0200 Mivz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > Yes, I'll read it :) > > Here is the patch. I'm still working on the policy files. I will finish > > them when I'm graduated in a few weeks. > > The patch contains a function I got from gdm. > > copied from gdm? verbatim? if so - this can't go into entrance (unless you > change entrance's license - it becomes GPL then). you can copy the ALGORITHM > and the IDEA - but NOT the code - well not without affecting licenses. > > essiene - beware of this. i recommend you don't accept the patch as-is. you > rewrite the function from gdm. that's the first thing that came to my mind... you could also try to contact the author of that piece of code (hopefully the copyright holder is mentioned somewhere in the file) and ask him to re-license you that function under the 3-clause-bsd. Bye, Emme > > > Harrie Hoogeveen > > > > John Kraal wrote: > > > I believe he is very busy finishing school at the moment ;) > > > > > > He'll read this though. > > > > > > Essien Ita Essien wrote: > > >> John Kraal wrote: > > >>> Great, > > >>> > > >>> The guy already made it, but he has no idea of how to make it optional > > >>> (for use in Makefile.am, configure.in, etc). Nevertheless I'll let him > > >>> submit. > > >>> > > >> awesome. > > >>> If somebody could do the makefile / configure.in, please do > > >>> > > >> Let him mail it to me directly [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'll do the > > >> autoKUNGfoo and send it back to him to test. And uhhh... why is _he_ not > > >> on the mailing list directly himself? Entrance needs more love :), if he > > >> could hack in SELinux support, we can use some more hands _if_ he's > > >> interested in helping out more. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Essien > > >> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> Essien Ita Essien wrote: > > >>> > > John Kraal wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Are there any plans for integrating SELinux in Entrance-login as of > > > yet? If not, somebody here is thinking about doing it.. > > > > > > > > Hiya John, > > > > Its not on the current todo list. > > > > However, please go ahead and do this, much appreciated. Once then send > > the patch to the mailing list for review, I'm not the maintainer, just > > a > > cleaner-upper with cvs access. That said, if you send this patch in, > > also copy xcomp at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (he finds it hard to follow the > > patches on the ml, since its sooo long). > > > > One way or the other, the other, the friggin patch will go in :) > > > > *hint* Entrance need more ppl to show it more love *end hint* > > > > Cheers, > > Essien > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > > cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ enlightenment-devel > > mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > >>> > > >> > > >> - > > >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > >> your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn > > >> cash > > >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > >> ___ enlightenment-devel > > >> mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > >> > > >> > > > > > > - > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > > your > > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > ___ > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 裸好多 > Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) > >
Re: [E-devel] discussion: new features in E. try 2.
On 6/10/06, Aleksej Struk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey raster, > > H, actually, I already implemented all the things in > e_modules/language module. Now it is standalone. It is able to manage > actual input language for each window, and flip between keybord > layouts on the fly. Moreover it hooks into E and defines 2 new actions > and keybindings for them as it starts, and removes those actions and > keybindings on unload. > > I want to make one more hook into E. For now there exists a config > dialog for the module. I'd like to hook it into the E main config > panel. As far as I remmember there is a FIXME for > this :) > > Unfortunatelly, somehow I missed ur mail. But now, I'll review the > module once again wrt to your comments. > > Of course, I'd like to move some of the module's functionality > directly to E. For > example language settings per window. Consequently, this will remove > some expensive searches and management of the running windows, since > the module will know everything as soon as it gets a pointer to a > border in callback :). > > But, if I move some of its functionality to E, then it will be > dependent on E. And actually, the module will only flip the input > keyboard layout and visualize the current language icon. > So, then it cannot be standalone as now. > > Ofcourse, since the module works now, at least for me :), because I > did not hear any comments about it yet, there is no need to reinvent > it, to reprogram it and to place some of its functionality into E. > mhm I tried to use it (on my x86 laptop with Debian sid), but the list of available keyboard layouts in the configuration window was empty. Am I supposed to do something to make the module aware of the available layouts? Where does the module look for them? > Also, from my point of view, it would be nice to have it in the main E > src tree, because, when non-english people starts a WM they'd like to > have language tools immideately and without looking for the 3rd party > module. What do u think about this ? As a non-english user I think I have been waiting for something like this module for a long time and it really deserves being included in the main tree! > > sndev Bye, Emme [...] -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] discussion: new features in E. try 2.
On 6/12/06, Aleksej Struk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 01:05:27PM +0200, muzzle wrote: > > On 6/10/06, Aleksej Struk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > > > mhm I tried to use it (on my x86 laptop with Debian sid), but the list > > of available keyboard layouts in the configuration window was empty. > > Am I supposed to do something to make the module aware of the > > available layouts? Where does the module look for them? > > > > The module collects all the information about the available layouts from > the following file: /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml. there is no such file on my system: $ ls /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml ls: /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml: No such file or directory nor there is a xorg.xml > Actully with the modern Xorg server this file should be xorg.xml. But > for the compatibility I use xfree86.xml. > > Maybe I have to use the following file /etc/X11/xkb/xfree86.xml ? In my Debian system the xfree86.xml is in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/ (I think the Debian policy mandate this location) $ ls -l /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2006-05-08 19:11 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml -> xorg.xml > > Please check if u have this file. And please let me know. Btw, do u have > XKB extenssion installed/enabled ? I am not sure what you mean with that but making /usr/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.xml a symlink to my xorg.xml gets the module working. Please consider adding the standard debian location to the module search path. BTW it would be very helpful to be able to browse the list of available languages via keyboard. (if I press 'e' the first available layout that begins with e gets selected) > [...] Thanks for the help, and bye, Emme -- "Aspetto un'emozione sempre piu' indefinibile" (CCCP Fedeli alla linea) ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
