[E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Vincent Torri]

Yop

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 wrote:
> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

just to satisfy my curiosity, what is the purpose of that mail ? Is
there some kind of deadline ?

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

There is no deadline. But if you have bugs that you know about, you should
submit them to trac. Soon.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Vincent Torri wrote:

> Yop
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>  wrote:
> > If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> > trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>
> just to satisfy my curiosity, what is the purpose of that mail ? Is
> there some kind of deadline ?
>
> Vincent
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Lucas De Marchi]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
 wrote:
> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.

I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Jeff Hoogland]

Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child? Being
able to place it on the desktop would be nice.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Lucas De Marchi <
lucas.demar...@profusion.mobi> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>  wrote:
> > If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> > trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>
> ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
>
> I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither
>
>
> Lucas De Marchi
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On 06/20/2012 02:11 PM, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>   wrote:
>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>
> ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
>
> I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither

I also plan to work on this. Also when time allows. Might be tricky to 
not step on each others feeds. :)

My plan so far:

1) e_dbus: Create a copy of connman0_7x in connman1_x as we need to keep 
the connman0_7x stuff.

2) e_dbus: Make changes changes like GetTechnologies instead of 
AvailableTechnologies, etc.

3) Check for all missing signals and properties to have the basics working.

4) Remove all outdated APIs like the profile stuff and so on.

5) Adjust connman module in e to be on the same level as before. No need 
to have a copy for the old version in here as this was never released.

5) Once it is working for normal setups look into counters and vpn.

6) Bring all this goodies to the e17 module. Also all the missing manual 
configuration things for IP, etc.

I ahve 1 done here already and it detects the newer connman but fails to 
get services from it as interfaces for getting the services and 
technologies changed. I also have some patches for removing old 
interfaces but that might be better to bring in once it is actually 
working with the new ones. I'm on a plane today but I hope to commit 1) 
today or tomorrow to have a base we could work on. After that I will not 
have time for this until starting next week.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
 wrote:

> Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?

The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
rest of us try to pretend it never existed.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2012, Stefan Schmidt wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On 06/20/2012 02:11 PM, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
> > >  wrote:
> >> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> >> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
> >
> > ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
> >
> > I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither
>
> I also plan to work on this. Also when time allows. Might be tricky to
> not step on each others feeds. :)
>
> My plan so far:
>
> 1) e_dbus: Create a copy of connman0_7x in connman1_x as we need to keep
> the connman0_7x stuff.
>
> 2) e_dbus: Make changes changes like GetTechnologies instead of
> AvailableTechnologies, etc.
>
> 3) Check for all missing signals and properties to have the basics working.
>
> 4) Remove all outdated APIs like the profile stuff and so on.
>
> 5) Adjust connman module in e to be on the same level as before. No need
> to have a copy for the old version in here as this was never released.
>
> 5) Once it is working for normal setups look into counters and vpn.
>
> 6) Bring all this goodies to the e17 module. Also all the missing manual
> configuration things for IP, etc.
>
> I ahve 1 done here already and it detects the newer connman but fails to
> get services from it as interfaces for getting the services and
> technologies changed. I also have some patches for removing old
> interfaces but that might be better to bring in once it is actually
> working with the new ones. I'm on a plane today but I hope to commit 1)
> today or tomorrow to have a base we could work on. After that I will not
> have time for this until starting next week.
>
>
How about if we copy edbus econnman to e17 and talk DBus directly. Remove
the configuration dialog and add the agent. Do the config dialog externally
(in python-elm it should ttake a day)



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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tom Hacohen]

On 20/06/12 16:58, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> How about if we copy edbus econnman to e17 and talk DBus directly. Remove
> the configuration dialog and add the agent. Do the config dialog externally
> (in python-elm it should ttake a day)

Hallelujah!

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Pierre-Olivier Huguet]

Hi,

* Sometimes, when I lock my computer using CTRL+ALT+DEL and clicking on 
Lock, only one of my 2 screens has the lock screen appearing. The other 
screen still shows the windows opened on it. But it's locked (can't 
click anywhere).
It happens sometimes when I click on Sleep... I can see it when it wakes up.
Some days, it happened to me quite often (nearly every time).

It seems that this bug happens more often when my computer hasn't been 
shut down for a few days.


* I also have focus issues on windows sometimes, but I can't explain 
more. Don't know when it happens, but window at the top is not focused. 
Focus seems to be given to a "lower" window. Happens usualy with 
scribes, thunar and a shell.
(sorry, can't be more accurate)




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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Hughes]

Fedora 16 64-bit, nVidia 8200 chip with nVidia driver.  Current snapshot 
build, 0.16.999.70492

Some programs open windows which are taller than the screen with 
critical buttons off the bottom of the screen.  "Maximize Vertically" 
fixes it but this is not sticky.  Gnome Software Update and Add-Remove 
Software are examples.

The "Maximize" functions got buried very deeply in the title-bar menu in 
the latest version.  I think that there are unnecessary levels in there.

Window manager fails the first time after boot.  The initial splash 
screen appears for a second and then goes blank and returns to the login 
screen.  Always works the second time and on log-out/log-in.  Something 
not being initialized after boot but I realize that this is not much to 
go on.

Overall, it is working very well!

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[P Purkayastha]

On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)

To reproduce (my configuration):
-> Set window focus:
> sloppy
> all new windows get focus
> all options ticked under Window Focus -> advanced -> miscellaneous
-> EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)


Bug 1: (Lost key input)
-> Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal, 
so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
-> E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
-> You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening 
a new window

Status:
-> Has been around for about a year.
-> Very hard to reproduce
-> But experience at least once daily


Bug 2: (Lost focus)
-> Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used urxvt)
-> Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80% 
horizontal screen space
-> Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
-> Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right 
bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
-> Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next 
window will open in that region.
-> Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your 
keybinding to open a new xterm.
-> The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the 
left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will 
lose focus.

Status:
-> Has been around for about a year
-> Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
-> Experience maybe once every 2 days


Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
-> Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal 
width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
-> Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome 
Integration addon
-> Config of Gnome Integration addon:
Title: From: %a
Message: Subject: %s
Command: /usr/bin/notify-send

Status:
-> Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
-> Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to reproduce





Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
-> How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!

Status:
-> NEEED FIXING NAO

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:06:16 -0400 Michael Hughes
 wrote:

> The "Maximize" functions got buried very deeply in the title-bar menu
> in the latest version.  I think that there are unnecessary levels in
> there.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Steve Jones]

I can confirm the existence of Bug 1. I've never narrowed it down beyond
that which ppurka has described.

Steve.

On 20/06/12 18:51, P Purkayastha wrote:
> On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
> 
> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
> 
> To reproduce (my configuration):
> -> Set window focus:
> > sloppy
> > all new windows get focus
> > all options ticked under Window Focus -> advanced -> miscellaneous
> -> EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
> 
> 
> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> -> Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal, 
> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> -> E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
> -> You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening 
> a new window
> 
> Status:
> -> Has been around for about a year.
> -> Very hard to reproduce
> -> But experience at least once daily
> 
> 
> Bug 2: (Lost focus)
> -> Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used urxvt)
> -> Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80% 
> horizontal screen space
> -> Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
> -> Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right 
> bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
> -> Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next 
> window will open in that region.
> -> Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your 
> keybinding to open a new xterm.
> -> The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the 
> left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will 
> lose focus.
> 
> Status:
> -> Has been around for about a year
> -> Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
> -> Experience maybe once every 2 days
> 
> 
> Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
> -> Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal 
> width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
> -> Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome 
> Integration addon
> -> Config of Gnome Integration addon:
> Title: From: %a
> Message: Subject: %s
> Command: /usr/bin/notify-send
> 
> Status:
> -> Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
> -> Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to reproduce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
> -> How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!
> 
> Status:
> -> NEEED FIXING NAO
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Davide Andreoli]

2012/6/20 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri :
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> On 06/20/2012 02:11 PM, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>> > >  wrote:
>> >> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> >> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>> >
>> > ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
>> >
>> > I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither
>>
>> I also plan to work on this. Also when time allows. Might be tricky to
>> not step on each others feeds. :)
>>
>> My plan so far:
>>
>> 1) e_dbus: Create a copy of connman0_7x in connman1_x as we need to keep
>> the connman0_7x stuff.
>>
>> 2) e_dbus: Make changes changes like GetTechnologies instead of
>> AvailableTechnologies, etc.
>>
>> 3) Check for all missing signals and properties to have the basics working.
>>
>> 4) Remove all outdated APIs like the profile stuff and so on.
>>
>> 5) Adjust connman module in e to be on the same level as before. No need
>> to have a copy for the old version in here as this was never released.
>>
>> 5) Once it is working for normal setups look into counters and vpn.
>>
>> 6) Bring all this goodies to the e17 module. Also all the missing manual
>> configuration things for IP, etc.
>>
>> I ahve 1 done here already and it detects the newer connman but fails to
>> get services from it as interfaces for getting the services and
>> technologies changed. I also have some patches for removing old
>> interfaces but that might be better to bring in once it is actually
>> working with the new ones. I'm on a plane today but I hope to commit 1)
>> today or tomorrow to have a base we could work on. After that I will not
>> have time for this until starting next week.
>>
>>
> How about if we copy edbus econnman to e17 and talk DBus directly. Remove
> the configuration dialog and add the agent. Do the config dialog externally
> (in python-elm it should ttake a day)

I totally agree here, I was thinking the same yesterday. Make the
configuration dialog a standalone app and you will get:

1. you can use elm instead of the crappy E toolkit, thus building a better UI
2. you will not have to rewrite the whole thing when we will go to E18
3. a configuration app that can be also used outside E can be usefull
and can help the spread of EFL
4. I will be able to run the config from a terminal, and not only by
clicking on the gadget.

... If you like I can help on this, I can do a network config app in
py in a really
short time If you point me the right way to speak with conman :)

davemds

>
>
>
>> regards
>> Stefan Schmidt
>>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Vincent Torri]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> On 06/20/2012 02:11 PM, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>> > >  wrote:
>> >> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> >> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>> >
>> > ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
>> >
>> > I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither
>>
>> I also plan to work on this. Also when time allows. Might be tricky to
>> not step on each others feeds. :)
>>
>> My plan so far:
>>
>> 1) e_dbus: Create a copy of connman0_7x in connman1_x as we need to keep
>> the connman0_7x stuff.
>>
>> 2) e_dbus: Make changes changes like GetTechnologies instead of
>> AvailableTechnologies, etc.
>>
>> 3) Check for all missing signals and properties to have the basics working.
>>
>> 4) Remove all outdated APIs like the profile stuff and so on.
>>
>> 5) Adjust connman module in e to be on the same level as before. No need
>> to have a copy for the old version in here as this was never released.
>>
>> 5) Once it is working for normal setups look into counters and vpn.
>>
>> 6) Bring all this goodies to the e17 module. Also all the missing manual
>> configuration things for IP, etc.
>>
>> I ahve 1 done here already and it detects the newer connman but fails to
>> get services from it as interfaces for getting the services and
>> technologies changed. I also have some patches for removing old
>> interfaces but that might be better to bring in once it is actually
>> working with the new ones. I'm on a plane today but I hope to commit 1)
>> today or tomorrow to have a base we could work on. After that I will not
>> have time for this until starting next week.
>>
>>
> How about if we copy edbus econnman to e17 and talk DBus directly. Remove
> the configuration dialog and add the agent. Do the config dialog externally
> (in python-elm it should ttake a day)

omg ? python in e17 ? why not perl and m4 ?

-124435345

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Vincent Torri  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>  wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> On 06/20/2012 02:11 PM, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
>>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> >> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>>> >> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>>> >
>>> > ConnMan module is not working with the stable 1.0 ConnMan API.
>>> >
>>> > I plan to work on this when time allows. No deadlines neither
>>>
>>> I also plan to work on this. Also when time allows. Might be tricky to
>>> not step on each others feeds. :)
>>>
>>> My plan so far:
>>>
>>> 1) e_dbus: Create a copy of connman0_7x in connman1_x as we need to keep
>>> the connman0_7x stuff.
>>>
>>> 2) e_dbus: Make changes changes like GetTechnologies instead of
>>> AvailableTechnologies, etc.
>>>
>>> 3) Check for all missing signals and properties to have the basics working.
>>>
>>> 4) Remove all outdated APIs like the profile stuff and so on.
>>>
>>> 5) Adjust connman module in e to be on the same level as before. No need
>>> to have a copy for the old version in here as this was never released.
>>>
>>> 5) Once it is working for normal setups look into counters and vpn.
>>>
>>> 6) Bring all this goodies to the e17 module. Also all the missing manual
>>> configuration things for IP, etc.
>>>
>>> I ahve 1 done here already and it detects the newer connman but fails to
>>> get services from it as interfaces for getting the services and
>>> technologies changed. I also have some patches for removing old
>>> interfaces but that might be better to bring in once it is actually
>>> working with the new ones. I'm on a plane today but I hope to commit 1)
>>> today or tomorrow to have a base we could work on. After that I will not
>>> have time for this until starting next week.
>>>
>>>
>> How about if we copy edbus econnman to e17 and talk DBus directly. Remove
>> the configuration dialog and add the agent. Do the config dialog externally
>> (in python-elm it should ttake a day)
>
> omg ? python in e17 ? why not perl and m4 ?

it's not in the same process, it's in a separate process using python
and elementary for speed of development.

doing it in python is super-simple due introspection... for C we need
to write everything manually and it's too time consuming :-/

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 23:35 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
>  wrote:
> > Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?
> 
> The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
> fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
> rest of us try to pretend it never existed.

Systray module breaks shelf auto-hide.

On mouse-out of a shelf with a systray, the shelf doesn't autohide if
the mouse-out happened through a window created by a systray element -
it is as if the shelf never gets the even that the pointer left the
window.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

tested here, works fine. invalid.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 23:35 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
> >  wrote:
> > > Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?
> >
> > The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
> > fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
> > rest of us try to pretend it never existed.
>
> Systray module breaks shelf auto-hide.
>
> On mouse-out of a shelf with a systray, the shelf doesn't autohide if
> the mouse-out happened through a window created by a systray element -
> it is as if the shelf never gets the even that the pointer left the
> window.
>
> Ross
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

stop the crying, it's fixed

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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:06:16 -0400 Michael Hughes
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> > The "Maximize" functions got buried very deeply in the title-bar menu
> > in the latest version.  I think that there are unnecessary levels in
> > there.
>
> I agree with that.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

#3 is no longer possible. I was not able to reproduce the others.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM, P Purkayastha  wrote:

> On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> > trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>
> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
>
> To reproduce (my configuration):
> -> Set window focus:
> > sloppy
> > all new windows get focus
> > all options ticked under Window Focus -> advanced -> miscellaneous
> -> EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
>
>
> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> -> Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal,
> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> -> E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
> -> You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening
> a new window
>
> Status:
> -> Has been around for about a year.
> -> Very hard to reproduce
> -> But experience at least once daily
>
>
> Bug 2: (Lost focus)
> -> Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used urxvt)
> -> Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80%
> horizontal screen space
> -> Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
> -> Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right
> bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
> -> Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next
> window will open in that region.
> -> Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your
> keybinding to open a new xterm.
> -> The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the
> left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will
> lose focus.
>
> Status:
> -> Has been around for about a year
> -> Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
> -> Experience maybe once every 2 days
>
>
> Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
> -> Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal
> width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
> -> Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome
> Integration addon
> -> Config of Gnome Integration addon:
> Title: From: %a
> Message: Subject: %s
> Command: /usr/bin/notify-send
>
> Status:
> -> Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
> -> Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to reproduce
>
>
> 
>
>
> Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
> -> How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!
>
> Status:
> -> NEEED FIXING NAO
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[P Purkayastha]

Like I mentioned #1, #2 are very hard to reproduce. You will see them 
only sometimes and only if you are always using e day in and day out.

By "using e" I mean actually closing and opening windows frequently via 
pre-setup keybindings. It won't happen every time, but it *will* happen 
if you continue "using e" for long periods.


On 06/21/2012 05:08 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> #3 is no longer possible. I was not able to reproduce the others.
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
>
>> On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>>
>> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
>>
>> To reproduce (my configuration):
>> ->  Set window focus:
>> >  sloppy
>> >  all new windows get focus
>> >  all options ticked under Window Focus ->  advanced ->  miscellaneous
>> ->  EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
>>
>>
>> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
>> ->  Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal,
>> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
>> ->  E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
>> ->  You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening
>> a new window
>>
>> Status:
>> ->  Has been around for about a year.
>> ->  Very hard to reproduce
>> ->  But experience at least once daily
>>
>>
>> Bug 2: (Lost focus)
>> ->  Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used urxvt)
>> ->  Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80%
>> horizontal screen space
>> ->  Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
>> ->  Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right
>> bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
>> ->  Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next
>> window will open in that region.
>> ->  Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your
>> keybinding to open a new xterm.
>> ->  The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the
>> left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will
>> lose focus.
>>
>> Status:
>> ->  Has been around for about a year
>> ->  Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
>> ->  Experience maybe once every 2 days
>>
>>
>> Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
>> ->  Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal
>> width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
>> ->  Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome
>> Integration addon
>> ->  Config of Gnome Integration addon:
>> Title: From: %a
>> Message: Subject: %s
>> Command: /usr/bin/notify-send
>>
>> Status:
>> ->  Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
>> ->  Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to reproduce
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
>> ->  How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!
>>
>> Status:
>> ->  NEEED FIXING NAO
>>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

I'm going to blame it on urxvt since I know that it does some stupid things
with focus that it shouldn't. That and I've had similar issues over time,
but only with urxvt.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:

> Like I mentioned #1, #2 are very hard to reproduce. You will see them
> only sometimes and only if you are always using e day in and day out.
>
> By "using e" I mean actually closing and opening windows frequently via
> pre-setup keybindings. It won't happen every time, but it *will* happen
> if you continue "using e" for long periods.
>
>
> On 06/21/2012 05:08 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > #3 is no longer possible. I was not able to reproduce the others.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> >>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> >>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
> >>
> >> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
> >>
> >> To reproduce (my configuration):
> >> ->  Set window focus:
> >> >  sloppy
> >> >  all new windows get focus
> >> >  all options ticked under Window Focus ->  advanced ->
>  miscellaneous
> >> ->  EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
> >>
> >>
> >> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> >> ->  Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a
> terminal,
> >> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> >> ->  E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc,
> etc)
> >> ->  You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or
> opening
> >> a new window
> >>
> >> Status:
> >> ->  Has been around for about a year.
> >> ->  Very hard to reproduce
> >> ->  But experience at least once daily
> >>
> >>
> >> Bug 2: (Lost focus)
> >> ->  Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used
> urxvt)
> >> ->  Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80%
> >> horizontal screen space
> >> ->  Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
> >> ->  Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right
> >> bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
> >> ->  Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next
> >> window will open in that region.
> >> ->  Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your
> >> keybinding to open a new xterm.
> >> ->  The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the
> >> left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will
> >> lose focus.
> >>
> >> Status:
> >> ->  Has been around for about a year
> >> ->  Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
> >> ->  Experience maybe once every 2 days
> >>
> >>
> >> Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
> >> ->  Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal
> >> width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
> >> ->  Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome
> >> Integration addon
> >> ->  Config of Gnome Integration addon:
> >> Title: From: %a
> >> Message: Subject: %s
> >> Command: /usr/bin/notify-send
> >>
> >> Status:
> >> ->  Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
> >> ->  Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to
> reproduce
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
> >> ->  How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!
> >>
> >> Status:
> >> ->  NEEED FIXING NAO
> >>
> >>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Steve Jones]

It's not only urxvt. I sometimes see it if I have a browser open with 
lots of tabs. Closing all the tabs together (closing the last one closes 
the browser) will occasionally result in the same behaviour.

Ultimately, I tend to notice it if I close multiple things in quick 
succession.

Is there a way to track which window has focus (maybe stick a log 
message in ./xsession-errors)? I know that would generate a lot of 
logging, but it's the only way I can think of to debug this.

Steve.

On 21/06/12 10:26, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> I'm going to blame it on urxvt since I know that it does some stupid things
> with focus that it shouldn't. That and I've had similar issues over time,
> but only with urxvt.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
>
>> Like I mentioned #1, #2 are very hard to reproduce. You will see them
>> only sometimes and only if you are always using e day in and day out.
>>
>> By "using e" I mean actually closing and opening windows frequently via
>> pre-setup keybindings. It won't happen every time, but it *will* happen
>> if you continue "using e" for long periods.
>>
>>
>> On 06/21/2012 05:08 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>>> #3 is no longer possible. I was not able to reproduce the others.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM, P Purkayastha   wrote:
>>>
 On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

 You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)

 To reproduce (my configuration):
 ->   Set window focus:
 >   sloppy
 >   all new windows get focus
 >   all options ticked under Window Focus ->   advanced ->
>>   miscellaneous
 ->   EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)


 Bug 1: (Lost key input)
 ->   Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a
>> terminal,
 so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
 ->   E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc,
>> etc)
 ->   You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or
>> opening
 a new window

 Status:
 ->   Has been around for about a year.
 ->   Very hard to reproduce
 ->   But experience at least once daily


 Bug 2: (Lost focus)
 ->   Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used
>> urxvt)
 ->   Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80%
 horizontal screen space
 ->   Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
 ->   Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right
 bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
 ->   Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next
 window will open in that region.
 ->   Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your
 keybinding to open a new xterm.
 ->   The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the
 left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will
 lose focus.

 Status:
 ->   Has been around for about a year
 ->   Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
 ->   Experience maybe once every 2 days


 Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
 ->   Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal
 width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
 ->   Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome
 Integration addon
 ->   Config of Gnome Integration addon:
 Title: From: %a
 Message: Subject: %s
 Command: /usr/bin/notify-send

 Status:
 ->   Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
 ->   Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to
>> reproduce


 


 Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
 ->   How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!

 Status:
 ->   NEEED FIXING NAO



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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

One more report here.
Suppose I use multiple Desktops with pager.
When I restart E17, all gnome-terminals are moved to the current Desktop.
I know xterm and terminology work well. This only happens with gnome-terminal.
But there are many gnome-terminal users out there.
It will be great if we can fix this issue.

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> It's not only urxvt. I sometimes see it if I have a browser open with
> lots of tabs. Closing all the tabs together (closing the last one closes
> the browser) will occasionally result in the same behaviour.
>
> Ultimately, I tend to notice it if I close multiple things in quick
> succession.
>
> Is there a way to track which window has focus (maybe stick a log
> message in ./xsession-errors)? I know that would generate a lot of
> logging, but it's the only way I can think of to debug this.
>
> Steve.
>
> On 21/06/12 10:26, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>> I'm going to blame it on urxvt since I know that it does some stupid things
>> with focus that it shouldn't. That and I've had similar issues over time,
>> but only with urxvt.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM, P Purkayastha  wrote:
>>
>>> Like I mentioned #1, #2 are very hard to reproduce. You will see them
>>> only sometimes and only if you are always using e day in and day out.
>>>
>>> By "using e" I mean actually closing and opening windows frequently via
>>> pre-setup keybindings. It won't happen every time, but it *will* happen
>>> if you continue "using e" for long periods.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/21/2012 05:08 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
 #3 is no longer possible. I was not able to reproduce the others.

 On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM, P Purkayastha   wrote:

> On 06/20/2012 08:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>
> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
>
> To reproduce (my configuration):
> ->   Set window focus:
> >   sloppy
> >   all new windows get focus
> >   all options ticked under Window Focus ->   advanced ->
>>>   miscellaneous
> ->   EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
>
>
> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> ->   Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a
>>> terminal,
> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> ->   E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc,
>>> etc)
> ->   You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or
>>> opening
> a new window
>
> Status:
> ->   Has been around for about a year.
> ->   Very hard to reproduce
> ->   But experience at least once daily
>
>
> Bug 2: (Lost focus)
> ->   Set up a key binding which opens any window, say xterm (I used
>>> urxvt)
> ->   Open a large xterm taking up, for example, 80% vertical + 80%
> horizontal screen space
> ->   Place the xterm on top left (example, using cleanup windows)
> ->   Open another xterm and make it take up a large portion on right
> bottom, for example 40% horizontal and 100% vertical space.
> ->   Now you have some empty space on the lower left area and the next
> window will open in that region.
> ->   Place your mouse pointer on upper right region and use your
> keybinding to open a new xterm.
> ->   The new xterm will open, somewhat overlapping the big xterm on the
> left, pointer will slide to the new xterm and then the new xterm will
> lose focus.
>
> Status:
> ->   Has been around for about a year
> ->   Hard to reproduce (does not happen every time)
> ->   Experience maybe once every 2 days
>
>
> Bug 3: (Overly large notification dialog)
> ->   Sometimes notification dialog opens up with a very large horizontal
> width equal to or exceeding the horizontal width of my screen (1366 px).
> ->   Have typically seen it with thunderbird notifications, with Gnome
> Integration addon
> ->   Config of Gnome Integration addon:
> Title: From: %a
> Message: Subject: %s
> Command: /usr/bin/notify-send
>
> Status:
> ->   Very recent - I think the bug is less than a month old
> ->   Reproducibility - happens only sometimes, so not sure how to
>>> reproduce
>
>
> 
>
>
> Bug N: (E no work no more!!11!1)
> ->   How to reproduce: Can't remember, but E no work!!1!
>
> Status:
> ->   NEEED FIXING NAO
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:07:56 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
 wrote:

> stop the crying, it's fixed
> 
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM, David Seikel 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:06:16 -0400 Michael Hughes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > The "Maximize" functions got buried very deeply in the title-bar
> > > menu in the latest version.  I think that there are unnecessary
> > > levels in there.
> >
> > I agree with that.

Yep, 'tis.  Thanks.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

(sorry if this doubles up - thought I replied to this last night...)

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 01:51 +0800, P Purkayastha wrote:
> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
> 
> To reproduce (my configuration):
> -> Set window focus:
> > sloppy
> > all new windows get focus
> > all options ticked under Window Focus -> advanced -> miscellaneous
> -> EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
> 
> 
> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> -> Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal, 
> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> -> E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
> -> You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening 
> a new window
> 
> Status:
> -> Has been around for about a year.
> -> Very hard to reproduce
> -> But experience at least once daily

When input is dead like this, if you type letters, do they appear on the
desktop?  I hit a similar version, but I can't tell if it's a bug:

1) Open a window.
2) Flip to a virtual desktop with no open windows.
3) Type some chars.  They appear on the desktop and don't seem to do
anything.
4) Pressing escape returns behavior to normal.




Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:

1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.


There's a few crash bugs I hit.  This one is a particular pain, but I've
been unable to track down better info on what's causing it:

1) Compose a new email in Evolution.
2) Type some things, maybe put some recipients.
3) Close the messages and choose to discard it when asked.
4) E crashes.

Unfortunately, it looks like there's some tight timing issue - running
under valgrind makes it impossible to reproduce...

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 07:48 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> tested here, works fine. invalid.

Hmmm - perhaps it is more specific then?

I have a shelf in the lower right that contains only the systray
module, and is set to autohide.  Four apps have icons there: network
manager, bluetooth, tomboy, and vino.  Here's my exact steps that do it
everytime:

1) Click tomboy icon to open the menu of notes.
2) Select a note from the list.  The menu closes, the note opens.
3) The shelf stays visible until I move the pointer in and back out.

Perhaps the open menu is important?  The pointer leaves the shelf
window via the tomboy menu, and the click which closes that menu isn't
within the shelf.

Ross




> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 23:35 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?
> > >
> > > The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
> > > fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
> > > rest of us try to pretend it never existed.
> >
> > Systray module breaks shelf auto-hide.
> >
> > On mouse-out of a shelf with a systray, the shelf doesn't autohide if
> > the mouse-out happened through a window created by a systray element -
> > it is as if the shelf never gets the even that the pointer left the
> > window.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:

> (sorry if this doubles up - thought I replied to this last night...)
>
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 01:51 +0800, P Purkayastha wrote:
> > You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
> >
> > To reproduce (my configuration):
> > -> Set window focus:
> > > sloppy
> > > all new windows get focus
> > > all options ticked under Window Focus -> advanced -> miscellaneous
> > -> EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
> >
> >
> > Bug 1: (Lost key input)
> > -> Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal,
> > so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
> > -> E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc,
> etc)
> > -> You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening
> > a new window
> >
> > Status:
> > -> Has been around for about a year.
> > -> Very hard to reproduce
> > -> But experience at least once daily
>
> When input is dead like this, if you type letters, do they appear on the
> desktop?  I hit a similar version, but I can't tell if it's a bug:
>
> 1) Open a window.
> 2) Flip to a virtual desktop with no open windows.
> 3) Type some chars.  They appear on the desktop and don't seem to do
> anything.
> 4) Pressing escape returns behavior to normal.
>
>
>
This is almost certainly caused by a gtk app intercepting your keystrokes.


>
>
> Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:
>
> 1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
> 2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
> 3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
> 4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
> 5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.
>

also doesn't happen here


>
>
> There's a few crash bugs I hit.  This one is a particular pain, but I've
> been unable to track down better info on what's causing it:
>
> 1) Compose a new email in Evolution.
> 2) Type some things, maybe put some recipients.
> 3) Close the messages and choose to discard it when asked.
> 4) E crashes.
>
> Unfortunately, it looks like there's some tight timing issue - running
> under valgrind makes it impossible to reproduce...
>
> Ross
>

tested this one, doesn't happen here.


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tom Hacohen]

On 20/06/12 15:49, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

One that you added today:
1. Set xchat to blink taskbar when someone writes your name.
2. Ask someone (I asked you) to write your name.
3. Quickly (before the other party has the chance to write your name) 
move to another desktop.
4. Move back to the xchat desktop after you see in the pager gadget that 
xchat is blinking.
5. Give xchat focus.

Expected:
xchat should stop blinking.
Actual:
xchat keeps on blinking and I hate you for introducing this bug.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

neeext

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote:

> On 20/06/12 15:49, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>
>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>>
>
> One that you added today:
> 1. Set xchat to blink taskbar when someone writes your name.
> 2. Ask someone (I asked you) to write your name.
> 3. Quickly (before the other party has the chance to write your name) move
> to another desktop.
> 4. Move back to the xchat desktop after you see in the pager gadget that
> xchat is blinking.
> 5. Give xchat focus.
>
> Expected:
> xchat should stop blinking.
> Actual:
> xchat keeps on blinking and I hate you for introducing this bug.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[P Purkayastha]

On 06/21/2012 07:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> (sorry if this doubles up - thought I replied to this last night...)
>
> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 01:51 +0800, P Purkayastha wrote:
>> You will hate my bugs, but you asked for it ;-)
>>
>> To reproduce (my configuration):
>> ->  Set window focus:
>> >  sloppy
>> >  all new windows get focus
>> >  all options ticked under Window Focus ->  advanced ->  miscellaneous
>> ->  EFM is unloaded (so, no desktop icons, etc)
>>
>>
>> Bug 1: (Lost key input)
>> ->  Close a window using keybindings, for instance, Ctrl-d on a terminal,
>> so that the pointer is on the desktop after the window is closed
>> ->  E stops accepting all key input (for example try alt-tab, alt-esc, etc)
>> ->  You can make E start re-accepting key input by focusing on or opening
>> a new window
>>
>> Status:
>> ->  Has been around for about a year.
>> ->  Very hard to reproduce
>> ->  But experience at least once daily
>
> When input is dead like this, if you type letters, do they appear on the
> desktop?  I hit a similar version, but I can't tell if it's a bug:
>
> 1) Open a window.
> 2) Flip to a virtual desktop with no open windows.
> 3) Type some chars.  They appear on the desktop and don't seem to do
> anything.
> 4) Pressing escape returns behavior to normal.
>

No, nothing appears on the desktop. Mainly because I don't use desktop 
icons and I keep the file manager module unloaded. However, I do know 
that pressing escape doesn't help in my case.

Your case actually sounds like a problem with efm.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Cedric BAIL]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo  wrote:
> One more report here.
> Suppose I use multiple Desktops with pager.
> When I restart E17, all gnome-terminals are moved to the current Desktop.
> I know xterm and terminology work well. This only happens with gnome-terminal.
> But there are many gnome-terminal users out there.
> It will be great if we can fix this issue.

Yes, i observed the same behaviour, and I think it's just a "feature"
of gnome-terminal, but I may be wrong on that.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 20:33 +0800, P Purkayastha wrote:
> No, nothing appears on the desktop. Mainly because I don't use desktop 
> icons and I keep the file manager module unloaded. However, I do know 
> that pressing escape doesn't help in my case.
> 
> Your case actually sounds like a problem with efm.

Yep, you're right: if I disable efm, then no typing on the desktop.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Sebastian Dransfeld]

Doesn't work here either. It is a real bug.

S.

On 06/21/2012 08:48 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> tested here, works fine. invalid.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 23:35 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
>>>   wrote:
 Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?
>>>
>>> The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
>>> fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
>>> rest of us try to pretend it never existed.
>>
>> Systray module breaks shelf auto-hide.
>>
>> On mouse-out of a shelf with a systray, the shelf doesn't autohide if
>> the mouse-out happened through a window created by a systray element -
>> it is as if the shelf never gets the even that the pointer left the
>> window.
>>
>> Ross
>>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

okay, fixed.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Sebastian Dransfeld 
wrote:

> Doesn't work here either. It is a real bug.
>
> S.
>
> On 06/21/2012 08:48 AM, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > tested here, works fine. invalid.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Ross Vandegrift
>  wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 23:35 +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:18:04 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
> >>>   wrote:
>  Any chance we can make the systray less of a red headed step child?
> >>>
> >>> The systray spec is a "red headed step child" by design.  Not our
> >>> fault, but some of us try to support that crap as well as we can.  The
> >>> rest of us try to pretend it never existed.
> >>
> >> Systray module breaks shelf auto-hide.
> >>
> >> On mouse-out of a shelf with a systray, the shelf doesn't autohide if
> >> the mouse-out happened through a window created by a systray element -
> >> it is as if the shelf never gets the even that the pointer left the
> >> window.
> >>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Vadim Efimov]

Michael Blumenkrantz  писал(а) в своём письме 
Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:49:57 +0200:

> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.

Hello,

May be, this is not actually bug, but very annoying thing for me.
I have enabled notification & mixer modules. Then I change volume,
I get new notify per few %, and then I should click 20 times to see
new messages from irc client or something. It would be great, to have
option "disable sending notifications" in mixer(may be even per type?
volume/mute), or maybe filter them from storing in notification module.
What do you think?

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Leif Middelschulte]

Am Montag, 25. Juni 2012 um 20:53 schrieb Vadim Efimov:
> Michael Blumenkrantz  (mailto:michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com)> писал(а) в своём письме Wed, 20 Jun 
> 2012 14:49:57 +0200:
>  
> > If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> > trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
> >  
>  
>  
> Hello,
>  
> May be, this is not actually bug, but very annoying thing for me.
> I have enabled notification & mixer modules. Then I change volume,
> I get new notify per few %, and then I should click 20 times to see
> new messages from irc client or something. It would be great, to have
> option "disable sending notifications" in mixer(may be even per type?
> volume/mute), or maybe filter them from storing in notification module.
> What do you think?
>  
>  

Firstofall, it should be the same notification whose text should be changing 
(%).
Also, there is a switch in the mixer module "Disable desktop notifications".  
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[thomasg]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
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I still have a weird bug when using AMDs proprietary fglrx driver.
It very likely is just a driver bug, but everyone else seems to work
around it (or for whatever reason not affected), and there's just no
possibility to get it fixed upstream (because upstream doesn't give a
f***).

When e17s composite module is enabled, every Cairo window goes
"semi-translucent", meaning that every pixel drawn uses some alpha
channel and windows/backgrounds behind bleed through.
Putting a black background behind the window makes the problem
"disappear", because everything looks exactly as it should then.
I strongly assume that it only affects cairo, because all E stuff as
well as all Qt stuff is fine, while most Gtk stuff and Firefox aren't.
For Firefox this means not only the Gtk menu elements, but also the
rendered sites which should also be drawn by cairo.
Some examples of affected applications: Firefox, Gimp, LibreOffice,
Gvim, Wireshark
Not all elements of every applications are affected. Sometimes white
planes stay non-translucent, often menuelements/toolbars do. Generally
images seem not affected.

I'd be happy to provide more information or screenshots if requested.

~thomasg

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:45:08 +0200 thomasg  said:

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
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> I still have a weird bug when using AMDs proprietary fglrx driver.
> It very likely is just a driver bug, but everyone else seems to work
> around it (or for whatever reason not affected), and there's just no
> possibility to get it fixed upstream (because upstream doesn't give a
> f***).
> 
> When e17s composite module is enabled, every Cairo window goes
> "semi-translucent", meaning that every pixel drawn uses some alpha
> channel and windows/backgrounds behind bleed through.

driver issue. the driver cares about the alpha pixel value BUT it doesnt PAD it
with 0xff as an argb texture. with gl_blend disabled it still cares and hasn't
done the padding so u get this result. so the upper byte of the pixel (MSB)
should be 0xff. applications dont bother filling it as 0xff as they say "hey -
i have no alpha channel. what are u talking about? i never heard of these
things!" but the gl pipeline and compositor care. there may be a workaround,
but as i swore off anything ati after my last round of craptasticness from
fglrx, it won't be me doing anything about it.

> Putting a black background behind the window makes the problem
> "disappear", because everything looks exactly as it should then.
> I strongly assume that it only affects cairo, because all E stuff as
> well as all Qt stuff is fine, while most Gtk stuff and Firefox aren't.
> For Firefox this means not only the Gtk menu elements, but also the
> rendered sites which should also be drawn by cairo.
> Some examples of affected applications: Firefox, Gimp, LibreOffice,
> Gvim, Wireshark
> Not all elements of every applications are affected. Sometimes white
> planes stay non-translucent, often menuelements/toolbars do. Generally
> images seem not affected.
> 
> I'd be happy to provide more information or screenshots if requested.
> 
> ~thomasg
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[hannes.janet...@gmail.com]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:45 AM, thomasg  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Michael Blumenkrantz
>  wrote:
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> I still have a weird bug when using AMDs proprietary fglrx driver.
> It very likely is just a driver bug, but everyone else seems to work
> around it (or for whatever reason not affected), and there's just no
> possibility to get it fixed upstream (because upstream doesn't give a
> f***).
>
> When e17s composite module is enabled, every Cairo window goes
> "semi-translucent", meaning that every pixel drawn uses some alpha
> channel and windows/backgrounds behind bleed through.
> Putting a black background behind the window makes the problem
> "disappear", because everything looks exactly as it should then.
> I strongly assume that it only affects cairo, because all E stuff as
> well as all Qt stuff is fine, while most Gtk stuff and Firefox aren't.
> For Firefox this means not only the Gtk menu elements, but also the
> rendered sites which should also be drawn by cairo.
> Some examples of affected applications: Firefox, Gimp, LibreOffice,
> Gvim, Wireshark
> Not all elements of every applications are affected. Sometimes white
> planes stay non-translucent, often menuelements/toolbars do. Generally
> images seem not affected.
>

maybe you could workaround this by using a gtk theme engine that can
force use of alpha background. iirc murrine engine does this. I guess
this should make the alpha byte to be set correctly.

Regards,
Hannes

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Simon Lees]

Sorry about forgetting the subject on the last one. gmail doesn't make it
obvious

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Simon Lees  wrote:

> Hi All i've attempted to send this a few times over the last few days but
> it hasn't got through for some reason so ill try one last time.
>
> Hi,
> Here is the list that i can think of that i haven't got to making bug
> reports partly because i was thinking of looking at them sometime however i
> doubt that will be soon.
> I'll Also prefix this list by saying i am impressed with how far e17 has
> come in the 6 - 9 months i have been using it. I've enjoyed its flexibility
> which is something i missed since Gnome and KDE both dropped compiz fusion.
> How hard can it be to provide a 3x3 Grid of workspaces. Enlightenment does
> this well and looks good at the same time so i think i will be sticking
> with it for a while. And maybe oneday ill have time to contribute something
> to it but until then thanks to all the people that do.
>
> * Various Multi Screen Issues
> Currently i am using 2 Nvidia Graphics cards with the Proprietary Driver
> and 3 Monitors (1 off the Primary card 2 off the secondary) displayed with
> Xinerama which means no Xrandr. Last time i tried NVIDIA's twin
> view equivalent the 2 screens on my secondary graphics card were stuck as
> the same desktop which isn't suitable for me because i frequently swap
> workspaces by individual screen. I almost never swap workspaces on all
> screens at the same time. I have also used multiple x servers in the past
> but then you cannot move apps across screens. But anyway heres the list of
> issues that I care enough about that I would fix if i had unlimited time.
>
> * Currently e17 picks up the first monitor on my secondary card as the
> primary monitor (Shows Splash screen here etc.) instead of the Monitor on
> the Primary Card.
>
> * It is not possible to add a shelf to the monitor on my primary card at
> all.
>
> * Shelves in general Require multi screen support a good place to start
> would be adding the screen as part of the identifier ie "Shelf bottom
> Screen 1" If multiple screens are present. Secondly when you pick the
> shelves position it would be nice to have a drop down to specify the screen
> it should go on.
>
> * Currently my shelves Don't redraw correctly and i am left with artifacts.
>
> *Applications are launched on the Screen the cursor is on not the screen
> they were launched from when quickly moving the cursor after launching,
> however, If you swap between workspaces after launching there is no issue.
>
> * Add Or remove a shelf from its menu with the shelf settings open and the
> settings are not updated its not a big issue because attempting to delete
> it again or go to its settings just does nothing.
>
> * When the Clock Date pop up is open and you swap to a workspace with a
> full screen application the Popup comes up over the Application. This
> probably should be handled in the same way as the enlightenment menu in
> that you cannot leave the workspace while it is up.
>
> * I have a key binding set to move windows between workspaces but if i
> have a window in workspace 1 and attempt to move it through workspace 2
> into workspace 3 and there is a full screen application in workspace 2 the
> end result is the full screen window ends up in workspace 3 and the window
> i was attempting to move ends up in workspace 2.
>
> Cheers For the fantastic work all.
>
> Simon
>
> http://simotek.net/tech
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:

If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.


What about illume bugs? Will you accept them as well?

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

In theory.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Tomas Cech  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>
>> If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 08:50 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> okay, fixed.

Works perfectly now - thanks!

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

I remembered one E17 issue which is still valid.

See ticket #904, please.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated version. Don't
post or update tickets when you do not have the absolute latest revision of
everything. I will not care about your problems if you are running old
software.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Tomas Cech  wrote:

> I remembered one E17 issue which is still valid.
>
> See ticket #904, please.
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 12:46 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
> > Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:
> >
> > 1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
> > 2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
> > 3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
> > 4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
> > 5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.
> >
> 
> also doesn't happen here

I still see this on 72833, and can reproduce it with a fresh profile:

1) Create a new user, go through first-time setup wizard.
2) In Settings -> Windows -> Window Stacking, enable "Raise windows on
mouse over".
3) Open two windows which overlap as described above.
4) Position the mouse in their intersection.
5) Use keyboard to flip to different virtual desktp, and then back.
6) Autoraising forever.
7) Anything with manually forces focus changes returns things to normal.

Sorry - just realized I wasn't clear that 5 requires flipping via the
keyboard.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

tried again, still can't reproduce

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 12:46 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> wrote:
> > > Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:
> > >
> > > 1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
> > > 2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
> > > 3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
> > > 4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
> > > 5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.
> > >
> >
> > also doesn't happen here
>
> I still see this on 72833, and can reproduce it with a fresh profile:
>
> 1) Create a new user, go through first-time setup wizard.
> 2) In Settings -> Windows -> Window Stacking, enable "Raise windows on
> mouse over".
> 3) Open two windows which overlap as described above.
> 4) Position the mouse in their intersection.
> 5) Use keyboard to flip to different virtual desktp, and then back.
> 6) Autoraising forever.
> 7) Anything with manually forces focus changes returns things to normal.
>
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> keyboard.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:

As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated version. Don't
post or update tickets when you do not have the absolute latest revision of
everything.


Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some time
to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more fresh bug
reports.  If you accept bugs on only latest versions you'll get much
less of them, at least from me. And btw. the ticket was created 8
months ago.


I will not care about your problems if you are running old
software.


Have a hot chocolate today, it's good for nerves.

Thanks for the fix.

Best regards,

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

My point was more that you shouldn't bother submitting a bug report unless
you're sure that you are running the latest version. It saves everyone time
:)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Tomas Cech  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
>
>> As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated version. Don't
>> post or update tickets when you do not have the absolute latest revision
>> of
>> everything.
>>
>
> Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some time
> to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more fresh bug
> reports.  If you accept bugs on only latest versions you'll get much
> less of them, at least from me. And btw. the ticket was created 8
> months ago.
>
>  I will not care about your problems if you are running old
>> software.
>>
>
> Have a hot chocolate today, it's good for nerves.
>
> Thanks for the fix.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tomas Cech
> Sleep_Walker
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:04:34 +0200 Tomas Cech  said:

> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> >As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated version. Don't
> >post or update tickets when you do not have the absolute latest revision of
> >everything.
> 
> Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some time
> to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more fresh bug

i'm curious. how does it take so long to build? i have a script. well a Makefile
+script. it rebuilds all of efl and e (re-run autogen.sh for everything, make
and make install) in about 5 mins. i dont even "wait" for it. i am off reading
mail or something useful while it runs away and updates.

> reports.  If you accept bugs on only latest versions you'll get much
> less of them, at least from me. And btw. the ticket was created 8
> months ago.
> 
> >I will not care about your problems if you are running old
> >software.
> 
> Have a hot chocolate today, it's good for nerves.
> 
> Thanks for the fix.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Tomas Cech
> Sleep_Walker


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:32:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:04:34 +0200 Tomas Cech  said:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz
> > wrote:
> > >As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated
> > >version. Don't post or update tickets when you do not have the
> > >absolute latest revision of everything.
> > 
> > Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some time
> > to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more fresh bug
> 
> i'm curious. how does it take so long to build? i have a script. well
> a Makefile +script. it rebuilds all of efl and e (re-run autogen.sh
> for everything, make and make install) in about 5 mins. i dont even
> "wait" for it. i am off reading mail or something useful while it
> runs away and updates.

A) Perhaps his computer is old and slow?

B) Likely it does not actually take a whole day, it just needs to be
slotted in with his busy life.  Chase the kids off the computer, clear
off the stack of work the boss made him take home, mow the lawn, fix
the roof, etc.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel  said:

it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:

rbe.sh

thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my master makefile.
it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the above command. the rest happens
automatically. all my machines i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of
this in sub 10 mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON
that long to do it. (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he is wasting
tonnes of his personal time whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the
few minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the time again).

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:32:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:04:34 +0200 Tomas Cech  said:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz
> > > wrote:
> > > >As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated
> > > >version. Don't post or update tickets when you do not have the
> > > >absolute latest revision of everything.
> > > 
> > > Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some time
> > > to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more fresh bug
> > 
> > i'm curious. how does it take so long to build? i have a script. well
> > a Makefile +script. it rebuilds all of efl and e (re-run autogen.sh
> > for everything, make and make install) in about 5 mins. i dont even
> > "wait" for it. i am off reading mail or something useful while it
> > runs away and updates.
> 
> A) Perhaps his computer is old and slow?
> 
> B) Likely it does not actually take a whole day, it just needs to be
> slotted in with his busy life.  Chase the kids off the computer, clear
> off the stack of work the boss made him take home, mow the lawn, fix
> the roof, etc.
> 
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

Seems to not play well with XScreenSaver 5.10 (standard Ubuntu 10.04
version).  Not the X screensaver that the E17 screensaver invokes (just
drawing an X on the screen), but the real one.

When XScreenSaver kicks in to do it's thing, it just shows a blank
screen, sometime later it might actually start showing one of it's
fancy "savers".  Not sure, but I think that starts up properly when Psi+
shows a notification window.

After waking up this morning, waving the mouse to make XScreenSaver go
away, there was a popup from the E17 screen locker saying it could not
grab the mouse and keyboard due to some other proggy not letting it, I
assume that was XScreenSaver.  None of the existing windows would
update, they would just show the last data they had on them.  The
programs where responding to keys and mouse events though, just not
changing their screens.

Often when starting up xscreensaver-demo, it locks up the display.  I
can go to a VT and see that X itself is taking up lots of time, and
typing is slow.

XScreenSaver docs say it's opening up it's own virtual root window, then
running it's "savers" on that.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel 
> said:
> 
> it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> 
> rbe.sh
> 
> thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my master
> makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the above
> command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines i've had for
> the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10 mins. today its
> around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON that long to do it.
> (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of
> his personal time whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the
> few minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the time
> again).

Until he answers, we can only speculate.

Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but on
my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of time
where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or memory for
the next hour.

On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL it
uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
emulator, which is much faster.

On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't have
to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and friends,
coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes a long time,
coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the docs.

Your 5 minutes would just be for the EFL and E17 itself, probably with
no docs.  Lots of people build more.

Personal time to start it might not be the issue.  The kids might want
to reboot the family computer into Windows to play WoW, and are pissed
off at dad for keeping it busy with this useless compile thingy.


> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:32:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:04:34 +0200 Tomas Cech 
> > > said:
> > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated
> > > > >version. Don't post or update tickets when you do not have the
> > > > >absolute latest revision of everything.
> > > > 
> > > > Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some
> > > > time to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more
> > > > fresh bug
> > > 
> > > i'm curious. how does it take so long to build? i have a script.
> > > well a Makefile +script. it rebuilds all of efl and e (re-run
> > > autogen.sh for everything, make and make install) in about 5
> > > mins. i dont even "wait" for it. i am off reading mail or
> > > something useful while it runs away and updates.
> > 
> > A) Perhaps his computer is old and slow?
> > 
> > B) Likely it does not actually take a whole day, it just needs to be
> > slotted in with his busy life.  Chase the kids off the computer,
> > clear off the stack of work the boss made him take home, mow the
> > lawn, fix the roof, etc.
> > 
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> 
> 


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 01:51:20AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:


On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel 
said:

it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:

rbe.sh

thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my master
makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the above
command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines i've had for
the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10 mins. today its
around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON that long to do it.
(i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of
his personal time whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the
few minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the time
again).


Until he answers, we can only speculate.

Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but on
my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of time
where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or memory for
the next hour.

On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL it
uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
emulator, which is much faster.

On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't have
to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and friends,
coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes a long time,
coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the docs.

Your 5 minutes would just be for the EFL and E17 itself, probably with
no docs.  Lots of people build more.

Personal time to start it might not be the issue.  The kids might want
to reboot the family computer into Windows to play WoW, and are pissed
off at dad for keeping it busy with this useless compile thingy.


Almost correct :)

I build this on the same machines as openSUSE is built. It's so called
openSUSE Build Sevice (http://build.opensuse.org), openSUSE
deployement of Open Build Service
(http://www.open-build-service.org/).
It has several consequences:

1] I'm not the only one who builds on these machines

2] as security measure each build host is virtual machine created for
this purpose and containing only necessary dependencies

3] RPM build is not the same as `./configure && make && make install'

4] at the end some additional checks on RPM and build log are
performed

5] packages are signed, there is (re)created RPM repository with new
metadata


For me is updating also 1s of my time to refresh packages, only the
build takes a while.

Best regards,

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Vadim Efimov]

Leif Middelschulte  писал(а) в своём письме Mon, 
25 Jun 2012 23:14:29 +0200:

> Am Montag, 25. Juni 2012 um 20:53 schrieb Vadim Efimov:
>> Michael Blumenkrantz > (mailto:michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com)> писал(а) в своём письме Wed, 20 Jun 
>> 2012 14:49:57 +0200:
>>
>> > If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
>> > trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> May be, this is not actually bug, but very annoying thing for me.
>> I have enabled notification & mixer modules. Then I change volume,
>> I get new notify per few %, and then I should click 20 times to see
>> new messages from irc client or something. It would be great, to have
>> option "disable sending notifications" in mixer(may be even per type?
>> volume/mute), or maybe filter them from storing in notification module.
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>
> Firstofall, it should be the same notification whose text should be changing 
> (%).
> Also, there is a switch in the mixer module "Disable desktop notifications".

I checked yesterday - recompiled everything, wipe out old profile and make new 
one.
It work for you? For me - not. I even try to switch locale to English and see 
only
one similar option name in mixer module:"Show Popup on volume change via 
keybindings"
and this didn't help. I can only disable storing of "normal" popups in 
notification
module. Did I miss something, somewhere?

But, I have another... issue. I setup keyboard layouts in xorg.conf, and they 
stop
working with new profile - even with unloaded xkb module. And I can't figure 
out,
how I can setup E via keyboard settings to very common configuration in Russia:

EN+RU layouts, switch via alt+shift and scroll lock LED as layout indicator, my
current part from xorg.conf (I use Caps LED, because on this notebook I haven't
scroll led):

Option  "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
Option  "XkbVariant"",winkeys"
Option  "XkbOptions"
"grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:caps,compose:lwin,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"


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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:40:45 +0200 Tomas Cech  said:

> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 01:51:20AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel 
> >> said:
> >>
> >> it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> >>
> >> rbe.sh
> >>
> >> thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my master
> >> makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the above
> >> command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines i've had for
> >> the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10 mins. today its
> >> around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON that long to do it.
> >> (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of
> >> his personal time whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the
> >> few minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the time
> >> again).
> >
> >Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> >
> >Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but on
> >my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of time
> >where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or memory for
> >the next hour.
> >
> >On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL it
> >uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
> >emulator, which is much faster.
> >
> >On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't have
> >to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and friends,
> >coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes a long time,
> >coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the docs.
> >
> >Your 5 minutes would just be for the EFL and E17 itself, probably with
> >no docs.  Lots of people build more.
> >
> >Personal time to start it might not be the issue.  The kids might want
> >to reboot the family computer into Windows to play WoW, and are pissed
> >off at dad for keeping it busy with this useless compile thingy.
> 
> Almost correct :)
> 
> I build this on the same machines as openSUSE is built. It's so called
> openSUSE Build Sevice (http://build.opensuse.org), openSUSE
> deployement of Open Build Service
> (http://www.open-build-service.org/).
> It has several consequences:
> 
> 1] I'm not the only one who builds on these machines
> 
> 2] as security measure each build host is virtual machine created for
> this purpose and containing only necessary dependencies
> 
> 3] RPM build is not the same as `./configure && make && make install'
> 
> 4] at the end some additional checks on RPM and build log are
> performed
> 
> 5] packages are signed, there is (re)created RPM repository with new
> metadata
> 
> 
> For me is updating also 1s of my time to refresh packages, only the
> build takes a while.

that seems like a very round-about way of doing stuff. i know obs. it i one of
those things that i avoid BECAUSE it massively impacts development speed/time
to the point of going on my "blacklist of stuff not to use". that same as the
workflow of "hey - lets build a package, then install it and test it to see if
the bug is gone". been there. done that. obs and "make a package to test" is
the workflow i have only ever used *IF* the code itself it totally fine -
app/lib is great and nothing left to hunt for and it's time to package and test
the packaging hasn't missed something/messed something up. it's just advice.
you'll be many many many times more productive having a "fastpath". it's worth
it. you can use different prefixes for src installed (eg /opt/e) and use
PATH.LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH to isolate your 2 worlds (pkg vs src).

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel  said:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel 
> > said:
> > 
> > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > 
> > rbe.sh
> > 
> > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my master
> > makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the above
> > command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines i've had for
> > the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10 mins. today its
> > around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON that long to do it.
> > (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of
> > his personal time whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the
> > few minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the time
> > again).
> 
> Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> 
> Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but on
> my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of time
> where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or memory for
> the next hour.
> 
> On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL it
> uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
> emulator, which is much faster.
> 
> On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't have
> to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and friends,
> coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes a long time,
> coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the docs.

yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend a day
compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if you want to just try
and test new efle bugs and features u dont need to do it there unless that is
the only place the bug turns up. the fast path is to use that multi-core
i5/i7/whatever u have there and streamline your build/install process. :)
otherwise u have a nasty lag on being able to update. :)

> Your 5 minutes would just be for the EFL and E17 itself, probably with
> no docs.  Lots of people build more.

correct. i build what we release, nothing more (except e17 - unreleased at this
stage).

> Personal time to start it might not be the issue.  The kids might want
> to reboot the family computer into Windows to play WoW, and are pissed
> off at dad for keeping it busy with this useless compile thingy.

in this day and age to be someone who packages stuff for linux i would expect a
dedicated box that is reasonably modern, not some VIA netbook. :)

> > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:32:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:04:34 +0200 Tomas Cech 
> > > > said:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >As I said in the ticket, you were already using an outdated
> > > > > >version. Don't post or update tickets when you do not have the
> > > > > >absolute latest revision of everything.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right, I had one day old GIT repository state. It takes me some
> > > > > time to build it, I have job and family so I can't provide more
> > > > > fresh bug
> > > > 
> > > > i'm curious. how does it take so long to build? i have a script.
> > > > well a Makefile +script. it rebuilds all of efl and e (re-run
> > > > autogen.sh for everything, make and make install) in about 5
> > > > mins. i dont even "wait" for it. i am off reading mail or
> > > > something useful while it runs away and updates.
> > > 
> > > A) Perhaps his computer is old and slow?
> > > 
> > > B) Likely it does not actually take a whole day, it just needs to be
> > > slotted in with his busy life.  Chase the kids off the computer,
> > > clear off the stack of work the boss made him take home, mow the
> > > lawn, fix the roof, etc.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants
> > > coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel 
> said:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel
> > >  said:
> > > 
> > > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > > 
> > > rbe.sh
> > > 
> > > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my
> > > master makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the
> > > above command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines
> > > i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10
> > > mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON
> > > that long to do it. (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he
> > > is wasting tonnes of his personal time whenever he rebuilds
> > > because he never invested the few minutes needed to automate it
> > > and never have to spend the time again).
> > 
> > Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> > 
> > Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but
> > on my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of
> > time where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or
> > memory for the next hour.
> > 
> > On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL
> > it uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
> > emulator, which is much faster.
> > 
> > On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't
> > have to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and
> > friends, coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes
> > a long time, coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the
> > docs.
> 
> yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend a day
> compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if you want to
> just try and test new efle bugs and features u dont need to do it
> there unless that is the only place the bug turns up. the fast path
> is to use that multi-core i5/i7/whatever u have there and streamline
> your build/install process. :) otherwise u have a nasty lag on being
> able to update. :)

That will be why I only ever built on the x486 to try it.  I normally
build on the emulator when I need to package it up for the x486 or
other slow embedded device.  Most of the time I build and test on the
work station.  I can hold my breath while the embedded software builds
on the workstation.  B-)

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:15:00 +1000 David Seikel  said:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel 
> > said:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel
> > > >  said:
> > > > 
> > > > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > > > 
> > > > rbe.sh
> > > > 
> > > > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my
> > > > master makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in the
> > > > above command. the rest happens automatically. all my machines
> > > > i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of this in sub 10
> > > > mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it takes a PERSON
> > > > that long to do it. (i'm getting at something here. eg - maybe he
> > > > is wasting tonnes of his personal time whenever he rebuilds
> > > > because he never invested the few minutes needed to automate it
> > > > and never have to spend the time again).
> > > 
> > > Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> > > 
> > > Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well, but
> > > on my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a block of
> > > time where I was not doing anything else that needed much CPU or
> > > memory for the next hour.
> > > 
> > > On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of EFL
> > > it uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that on an
> > > emulator, which is much faster.
> > > 
> > > On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I don't
> > > have to worry about freeing up the computer itself to build EFL and
> > > friends, coz it usually has plenty of grunt to spare.  Still takes
> > > a long time, coz I try to build most things in SVN as well as the
> > > docs.
> > 
> > yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend a day
> > compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if you want to
> > just try and test new efle bugs and features u dont need to do it
> > there unless that is the only place the bug turns up. the fast path
> > is to use that multi-core i5/i7/whatever u have there and streamline
> > your build/install process. :) otherwise u have a nasty lag on being
> > able to update. :)
> 
> That will be why I only ever built on the x486 to try it.  I normally
> build on the emulator when I need to package it up for the x486 or
> other slow embedded device.  Most of the time I build and test on the
> work station.  I can hold my breath while the embedded software builds
> on the workstation.  B-)

why emulator? you can just have a chroot with the appropriate dependencies
installed + toolchain and u can build at full native speed. just ensure CFLAGS
has -march=486 :)

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:29:21 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:15:00 +1000 David Seikel 
> said:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel
> > >  said:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The
> > > > Rasterman)  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel
> > > > >  said:
> > > > > 
> > > > > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > > > > 
> > > > > rbe.sh
> > > > > 
> > > > > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my
> > > > > master makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in
> > > > > the above command. the rest happens automatically. all my
> > > > > machines i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of
> > > > > this in sub 10 mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it
> > > > > takes a PERSON that long to do it. (i'm getting at something
> > > > > here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of his personal time
> > > > > whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the few
> > > > > minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the
> > > > > time again).
> > > > 
> > > > Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> > > > 
> > > > Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well,
> > > > but on my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a
> > > > block of time where I was not doing anything else that needed
> > > > much CPU or memory for the next hour.
> > > > 
> > > > On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of
> > > > EFL it uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that
> > > > on an emulator, which is much faster.
> > > > 
> > > > On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I
> > > > don't have to worry about freeing up the computer itself to
> > > > build EFL and friends, coz it usually has plenty of grunt to
> > > > spare.  Still takes a long time, coz I try to build most things
> > > > in SVN as well as the docs.
> > > 
> > > yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend
> > > a day compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if
> > > you want to just try and test new efle bugs and features u dont
> > > need to do it there unless that is the only place the bug turns
> > > up. the fast path is to use that multi-core i5/i7/whatever u have
> > > there and streamline your build/install process. :) otherwise u
> > > have a nasty lag on being able to update. :)
> > 
> > That will be why I only ever built on the x486 to try it.  I
> > normally build on the emulator when I need to package it up for the
> > x486 or other slow embedded device.  Most of the time I build and
> > test on the work station.  I can hold my breath while the embedded
> > software builds on the workstation.  B-)
> 
> why emulator? you can just have a chroot with the appropriate
> dependencies installed + toolchain and u can build at full native
> speed. just ensure CFLAGS has -march=486 :)

Chroots leak.  Emulated is much cleaner, no surprises.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:38:12 +1000 David Seikel  said:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:29:21 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:15:00 +1000 David Seikel 
> > said:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel
> > > >  said:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The
> > > > > Rasterman)  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel
> > > > > >  said:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > rbe.sh
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my
> > > > > > master makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in
> > > > > > the above command. the rest happens automatically. all my
> > > > > > machines i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of
> > > > > > this in sub 10 mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it
> > > > > > takes a PERSON that long to do it. (i'm getting at something
> > > > > > here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of his personal time
> > > > > > whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the few
> > > > > > minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the
> > > > > > time again).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well,
> > > > > but on my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a
> > > > > block of time where I was not doing anything else that needed
> > > > > much CPU or memory for the next hour.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of
> > > > > EFL it uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that
> > > > > on an emulator, which is much faster.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I
> > > > > don't have to worry about freeing up the computer itself to
> > > > > build EFL and friends, coz it usually has plenty of grunt to
> > > > > spare.  Still takes a long time, coz I try to build most things
> > > > > in SVN as well as the docs.
> > > > 
> > > > yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend
> > > > a day compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if
> > > > you want to just try and test new efle bugs and features u dont
> > > > need to do it there unless that is the only place the bug turns
> > > > up. the fast path is to use that multi-core i5/i7/whatever u have
> > > > there and streamline your build/install process. :) otherwise u
> > > > have a nasty lag on being able to update. :)
> > > 
> > > That will be why I only ever built on the x486 to try it.  I
> > > normally build on the emulator when I need to package it up for the
> > > x486 or other slow embedded device.  Most of the time I build and
> > > test on the work station.  I can hold my breath while the embedded
> > > software builds on the workstation.  B-)
> > 
> > why emulator? you can just have a chroot with the appropriate
> > dependencies installed + toolchain and u can build at full native
> > speed. just ensure CFLAGS has -march=486 :)
> 
> Chroots leak.  Emulated is much cleaner, no surprises.

not in any way that is relevant to efl's build.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

can you guys take this lovefest to an australian irc channel or something?
this thread is for e17 bugs.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:36 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:38:12 +1000 David Seikel  said:
>
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:29:21 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:15:00 +1000 David Seikel 
> > > said:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:38:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:51:20 +1000 David Seikel
> > > > >  said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:32:15 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The
> > > > > > Rasterman)  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:19:14 +1000 David Seikel
> > > > > > >  said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it TAKES me sub 1 second to do it. i do:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rbe.sh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thats it. that svn updates, runs make clean and make with my
> > > > > > > master makefile. it takes ME as long as it takes to type in
> > > > > > > the above command. the rest happens automatically. all my
> > > > > > > machines i've had for the past 3 years can compile all of
> > > > > > > this in sub 10 mins. today its around 5. i'm wondering why it
> > > > > > > takes a PERSON that long to do it. (i'm getting at something
> > > > > > > here. eg - maybe he is wasting tonnes of his personal time
> > > > > > > whenever he rebuilds because he never invested the few
> > > > > > > minutes needed to automate it and never have to spend the
> > > > > > > time again).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Until he answers, we can only speculate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only takes me one second to start up the build script as well,
> > > > > > but on my ancient 32 bit computer I had to make sure I had a
> > > > > > block of time where I was not doing anything else that needed
> > > > > > much CPU or memory for the next hour.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On my embedded x486 it takes nine hours to compile the half of
> > > > > > EFL it uses for the embedded project on it.  Usually I run that
> > > > > > on an emulator, which is much faster.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On my current multi core 64 bit system with tonnes of RAM, I
> > > > > > don't have to worry about freeing up the computer itself to
> > > > > > build EFL and friends, coz it usually has plenty of grunt to
> > > > > > spare.  Still takes a long time, coz I try to build most things
> > > > > > in SVN as well as the docs.
> > > > >
> > > > > yes yes. i know. i have arm boxen too and they can sit and spend
> > > > > a day compiling. it's stilly but hey - that's what it takes. if
> > > > > you want to just try and test new efle bugs and features u dont
> > > > > need to do it there unless that is the only place the bug turns
> > > > > up. the fast path is to use that multi-core i5/i7/whatever u have
> > > > > there and streamline your build/install process. :) otherwise u
> > > > > have a nasty lag on being able to update. :)
> > > >
> > > > That will be why I only ever built on the x486 to try it.  I
> > > > normally build on the emulator when I need to package it up for the
> > > > x486 or other slow embedded device.  Most of the time I build and
> > > > test on the work station.  I can hold my breath while the embedded
> > > > software builds on the workstation.  B-)
> > >
> > > why emulator? you can just have a chroot with the appropriate
> > > dependencies installed + toolchain and u can build at full native
> > > speed. just ensure CFLAGS has -march=486 :)
> >
> > Chroots leak.  Emulated is much cleaner, no surprises.
>
> not in any way that is relevant to efl's build.
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Ross Vandegrift]

On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> tried again, still can't reproduce

Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my workstation
and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a fresh profile or an
existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it is still there.

In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
non-stock E17 modules.



Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they are
super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it normally is:
http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg

I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
changing it back.

Ross

> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 12:46 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> > wrote:
> > > > Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
> > > > 2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
> > > > 3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
> > > > 4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
> > > > 5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.
> > > >
> > >
> > > also doesn't happen here
> >
> > I still see this on 72833, and can reproduce it with a fresh profile:
> >
> > 1) Create a new user, go through first-time setup wizard.
> > 2) In Settings -> Windows -> Window Stacking, enable "Raise windows on
> > mouse over".
> > 3) Open two windows which overlap as described above.
> > 4) Position the mouse in their intersection.
> > 5) Use keyboard to flip to different virtual desktp, and then back.
> > 6) Autoraising forever.
> > 7) Anything with manually forces focus changes returns things to normal.
> >
> > Sorry - just realized I wasn't clear that 5 requires flipping via the
> > keyboard.
> >
> > Ross
> >
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

no idea, you could try sending me your ~/.e I guess

pager size is a known bug that will be fixed soonish, you can work around
it by setting your shelf to autohide or using pager as a gadget

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ross Vandegrift  wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > tried again, still can't reproduce
>
> Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my workstation
> and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a fresh profile or an
> existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it is still there.
>
> In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
> non-stock E17 modules.
>
>
>
> Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they are
> super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it normally is:
> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg
>
> I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
> changing it back.
>
> Ross
>
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 12:46 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Window autoraise doesn't work with sloppy focus:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Same focus settings as above, plus window autoraise.
> > > > > 2) Open two overlapping windows on a virtual desktop.
> > > > > 3) Position the pointer in the area were they overlap.
> > > > > 4) Flip to a different virtual desktop, and then back.
> > > > > 5) The windows autoraise over one another forever.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > also doesn't happen here
> > >
> > > I still see this on 72833, and can reproduce it with a fresh profile:
> > >
> > > 1) Create a new user, go through first-time setup wizard.
> > > 2) In Settings -> Windows -> Window Stacking, enable "Raise windows on
> > > mouse over".
> > > 3) Open two windows which overlap as described above.
> > > 4) Position the mouse in their intersection.
> > > 5) Use keyboard to flip to different virtual desktp, and then back.
> > > 6) Autoraising forever.
> > > 7) Anything with manually forces focus changes returns things to
> normal.
> > >
> > > Sorry - just realized I wasn't clear that 5 requires flipping via the
> > > keyboard.
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > >
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Simon Lees]

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:05:09 +0100
> From: Michael Blumenkrantz 
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL Was (Re: enlightenment-devel
>Digest, Vol 74, Issue 135)
> To: Enlightenment developer list
>
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Simon Lees  wrote:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:06:47 +0100
> > > From: Michael Blumenkrantz 
> > > Subject: Re: [E-devel] enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 133
> > > To: Enlightenment developer list
> > >
> > > Message-ID:
> > > > w5b7f_boh4yeqh...@mail.gmail.com
> > > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Simon Lees  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All i've attempted to send this a few times over the last few days
> > but
> > > > it hasn't got through for some reason so ill try one last time.
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Here is the list that i can think of that i haven't got to making bug
> > > > reports partly because i was thinking of looking at them sometime
> > > however i
> > > > doubt that will be soon.
> > > > I'll Also prefix this list by saying i am impressed with how far e17
> > has
> > > > come in the 6 - 9 months i have been using it. I've enjoyed its
> > > flexibility
> > > > which is something i missed since Gnome and KDE both dropped compiz
> > > fusion.
> > > > How hard can it be to provide a 3x3 Grid of workspaces. Enlightenment
> > > does
> > > > this well and looks good at the same time so i think i will be
> sticking
> > > > with it for a while. And maybe oneday ill have time to contribute
> > > something
> > > > to it but until then thanks to all the people that do.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Glad to hear it. Just to clarify, you're using E17? From SVN?
> > >
> > > Correct i tend to rebuild every couple of weeks or so.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > * It is not possible to add a shelf to the monitor on my primary card
> > at
> > > > all.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How are you attempting to add the shelf?
> > >
> >
> > Main Menu Desktops -> Shelves -> Add A Shelf, I think i also tried from
> the
> > Shelf Settings dialogue. I noticed you made some changes here so i will
> > check them out tomorrow night.
> >
> >
>

Still Issues here on Rev 72988. The shelf settings now only show the
shelves on the corresponding screen however i still have issues. If i open
the Shelf settings on all 3 screens, Display 0 (Center) show's no
Configured screens (Graphics Card 0) and has no shelfs, Screen 1 on the
Left has a Shelf on the bottom that the config shows fine the same with
Screen 2 both on the second Graphics Card.

When i press Add on shelf settings 0 all 3 of the configs go blank and the
shelf appears on the bottom right of screen 1,

If i reload the shelf settings for screen 1 i now see a configured shelf
bottom and a configured shelf bottom_right, and if i reload shelf settings
on screen 2 i just see bottom right.

If i then select shelf bottom right on screen 1 and press the delete
button. The bottom shelf on screen 2 is removed and the bottom right on
screen 1 is still there.  The settings on shelf 1 and shelf 2 now both show
Shelf Bottom and shelf bottom right.

>From screen 2 although i could see both shelves in the settings i could not
remove them or press the setup or contents button. So i pressed Add on
shelf 2 and got a shelf bottom right on that screen. Which i tried to
delete and it deleted the bottom shelf on screen 1.

I figured this was as good a place as any to stop trying to break it
further, however, no matter how many times i tried to add a shelf on screen
0 i got another shelf bottom right on screen 1 I added 5 or 6.

Once i stopped playing around and removed everything and was about to put
it back how it was i added a shelf from screen 1 and it went to bottom
right on screen 0 then i added one on screen 0 and it went to bottom right
on screen 1 then i added one on screen 2 and it stayed on screen 2.

So now i have a shelf on the bottom of each screen and i am happy. I
appreciate this may also be hard to debug and i may be special and unique
in having these issues so if it doesn't get fixed i wont mind.


>
> > > >
> > > > * I have a key binding set to move windows between workspaces

Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:10:44 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
 wrote:

> no idea, you could try sending me your ~/.e I guess
> 
> pager size is a known bug that will be fixed soonish, you can work
> around it by setting your shelf to autohide or using pager as a gadget
> 
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > tried again, still can't reproduce
> >
> > Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my
> > workstation and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a
> > fresh profile or an existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it
> > is still there.
> >
> > In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
> > non-stock E17 modules.
> >
> >
> >
> > Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they are
> > super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it normally
> > is: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg
> >
> > I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
> > changing it back.

I'm getting a squished pager AND other modules on that same shelf.
Calendar, clock, and cpufreq.  The tclock and uptime modules work fine,
though they are text only.  Is this known issue affecting them to?

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:46:39 +1000 David Seikel 
wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:10:44 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
>  wrote:
> 
> > no idea, you could try sending me your ~/.e I guess
> > 
> > pager size is a known bug that will be fixed soonish, you can work
> > around it by setting your shelf to autohide or using pager as a
> > gadget
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > > tried again, still can't reproduce
> > >
> > > Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my
> > > workstation and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a
> > > fresh profile or an existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it
> > > is still there.
> > >
> > > In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
> > > non-stock E17 modules.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they
> > > are super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it
> > > normally is:
> > > http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg
> > >
> > > I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
> > > changing it back.
> 
> I'm getting a squished pager AND other modules on that same shelf.
> Calendar, clock, and cpufreq.  The tclock and uptime modules work
> fine, though they are text only.  Is this known issue affecting them
> to?

Changing the number of virtual desktops also fixed up the other
modules.  Autohide did nothing.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

it's a problem with shelf gadget redraws after my recent commit that
clamped the size of a shelf to the size of the screen

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM, David Seikel  wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:46:39 +1000 David Seikel 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:10:44 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > no idea, you could try sending me your ~/.e I guess
> > >
> > > pager size is a known bug that will be fixed soonish, you can work
> > > around it by setting your shelf to autohide or using pager as a
> > > gadget
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > > > tried again, still can't reproduce
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my
> > > > workstation and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a
> > > > fresh profile or an existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it
> > > > is still there.
> > > >
> > > > In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
> > > > non-stock E17 modules.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they
> > > > are super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it
> > > > normally is:
> > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
> > > > changing it back.
> >
> > I'm getting a squished pager AND other modules on that same shelf.
> > Calendar, clock, and cpufreq.  The tclock and uptime modules work
> > fine, though they are text only.  Is this known issue affecting them
> > to?
>
> Changing the number of virtual desktops also fixed up the other
> modules.  Autohide did nothing.
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Daniel Juyung Seo]

fix it fix it!!
this is very annoying.
On Jun 28, 2012 11:17 PM, "Michael Blumenkrantz" <
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it's a problem with shelf gadget redraws after my recent commit that
> clamped the size of a shelf to the size of the screen
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM, David Seikel  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:46:39 +1000 David Seikel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:10:44 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > no idea, you could try sending me your ~/.e I guess
> > > >
> > > > pager size is a known bug that will be fixed soonish, you can work
> > > > around it by setting your shelf to autohide or using pager as a
> > > > gadget
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ross Vandegrift 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 13:07 +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> > > > > > tried again, still can't reproduce
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm, any idea what I could look at?  I can reproduce on my
> > > > > workstation and laptop, in a normal X session or Xephyr, with a
> > > > > fresh profile or an existing one.  I pulled 72968 to check, and it
> > > > > is still there.
> > > > >
> > > > > In case it matters: Xorg 1.12.1902 (Debian testing), no OpenGL, no
> > > > > non-stock E17 modules.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Different issue: pager squishes all my virtual desktops so they
> > > > > are super-skinny, even though the whole is still as wide as it
> > > > > normally is:
> > > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4fec46bb7882e9.74897488.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > I can fix it by changing the number of virtual desktops, and then
> > > > > changing it back.
> > >
> > > I'm getting a squished pager AND other modules on that same shelf.
> > > Calendar, clock, and cpufreq.  The tclock and uptime modules work
> > > fine, though they are text only.  Is this known issue affecting them
> > > to?
> >
> > Changing the number of virtual desktops also fixed up the other
> > modules.  Autohide did nothing.
> >
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:

If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.


Another two I almost forget:

* When E17 started with `enlightenment_start -locked' it several times
  change screen between startup splash and locked screen.

* notifications are shown even when enlightenment is locked

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[Tomas Cech]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:

If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.


And another one:

During build E_SYS_CFLAGS is not used for all suid binaries as I
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:16:59 +0200 Tomas Cech  said:

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:49:57PM +0100, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
> >If you have an e17 bug, reply to this mail or create a ticket for it on
> >trac. This is the LAST call. Hint hint.
> 
> And another one:
> 
> During build E_SYS_CFLAGS is not used for all suid binaries as I
> believe it should.

no - its only for enlightenment_sys - but it wasn't even used there.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL Was (Re: enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 135)

[Simon Lees]

>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:06:47 +0100
> From: Michael Blumenkrantz 
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 133
> To: Enlightenment developer list
>
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Simon Lees  wrote:
>
> > Hi All i've attempted to send this a few times over the last few days but
> > it hasn't got through for some reason so ill try one last time.
> >
> > Hi,
> > Here is the list that i can think of that i haven't got to making bug
> > reports partly because i was thinking of looking at them sometime
> however i
> > doubt that will be soon.
> > I'll Also prefix this list by saying i am impressed with how far e17 has
> > come in the 6 - 9 months i have been using it. I've enjoyed its
> flexibility
> > which is something i missed since Gnome and KDE both dropped compiz
> fusion.
> > How hard can it be to provide a 3x3 Grid of workspaces. Enlightenment
> does
> > this well and looks good at the same time so i think i will be sticking
> > with it for a while. And maybe oneday ill have time to contribute
> something
> > to it but until then thanks to all the people that do.
> >
>
> Glad to hear it. Just to clarify, you're using E17? From SVN?
>
> Correct i tend to rebuild every couple of weeks or so.


>
> >
> > * Various Multi Screen Issues
> > Currently i am using 2 Nvidia Graphics cards with the Proprietary Driver
> > and 3 Monitors (1 off the Primary card 2 off the secondary) displayed
> with
> > Xinerama which means no Xrandr. Last time i tried NVIDIA's twin
> > view equivalent the 2 screens on my secondary graphics card were stuck as
> > the same desktop which isn't suitable for me because i frequently swap
> > workspaces by individual screen. I almost never swap workspaces on all
> > screens at the same time. I have also used multiple x servers in the past
> > but then you cannot move apps across screens. But anyway heres the list
> of
> > issues that I care enough about that I would fix if i had unlimited time.
> >
>
> vdesk switching across multiple monitors hasn't been possible for a long
> time, it was removed several years ago. Not sure how you're triggering
> this.
>
>
Twin View Seems fine on my work PC with 2 monitors ill try my desktop at
home again in the next 2 days and see if it still exists.


> >
> > * It is not possible to add a shelf to the monitor on my primary card at
> > all.
> >
>
> How are you attempting to add the shelf?
>

Main Menu Desktops -> Shelves -> Add A Shelf, I think i also tried from the
Shelf Settings dialogue. I noticed you made some changes here so i will
check them out tomorrow night.


>
> >
> > *Applications are launched on the Screen the cursor is on not the screen
> > they were launched from when quickly moving the cursor after launching,
> > however, If you swap between workspaces after launching there is no
> issue.
> >
>
> I may look into this.
>
>
> >
> > * I have a key binding set to move windows between workspaces but if i
> have
>


> > a window in workspace 1 and attempt to move it through workspace 2 into
> > workspace 3 and there is a full screen application in workspace 2 the end
> > result is the full screen window ends up in workspace 3 and the window i
> > was attempting to move ends up in workspace 2.
>

Any thoughts on this issue? I can see why it would happen but its also one
of the more annoying issues I face now that full screen windows behave
normally


* One last issue that is probably more of a missing feature then a bug but
if it's easy and your working in the area maybe you could look at it
otherwise i will oneday. Currently i do most of my window management with
keyboard short cuts such as moving between desktops etc. I noticed there
are key bindings to move the mouse between screens but it would be great if
there was the ability to add key bindings to move windows between screens
if they exist i couldn't find them and i would appreciate someone showing
me where they are. I think the ability to easily customise key bindings is
once of the best features in Enlightenment.

Cheers For the quick response and the great work you put in. Unfortunately
i'm not home until late tonight so ill probably rebuild when i get home
then test everything out tomorrow night.

Simon

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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL Was (Re: enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 135)

[Michael Blumenkrantz]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Simon Lees  wrote:

> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:06:47 +0100
> > From: Michael Blumenkrantz 
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 133
> > To: Enlightenment developer list
> >
> > Message-ID:
> > w5b7f_boh4yeqh...@mail.gmail.com
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Simon Lees  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All i've attempted to send this a few times over the last few days
> but
> > > it hasn't got through for some reason so ill try one last time.
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Here is the list that i can think of that i haven't got to making bug
> > > reports partly because i was thinking of looking at them sometime
> > however i
> > > doubt that will be soon.
> > > I'll Also prefix this list by saying i am impressed with how far e17
> has
> > > come in the 6 - 9 months i have been using it. I've enjoyed its
> > flexibility
> > > which is something i missed since Gnome and KDE both dropped compiz
> > fusion.
> > > How hard can it be to provide a 3x3 Grid of workspaces. Enlightenment
> > does
> > > this well and looks good at the same time so i think i will be sticking
> > > with it for a while. And maybe oneday ill have time to contribute
> > something
> > > to it but until then thanks to all the people that do.
> > >
> >
> > Glad to hear it. Just to clarify, you're using E17? From SVN?
> >
> > Correct i tend to rebuild every couple of weeks or so.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > * Various Multi Screen Issues
> > > Currently i am using 2 Nvidia Graphics cards with the Proprietary
> Driver
> > > and 3 Monitors (1 off the Primary card 2 off the secondary) displayed
> > with
> > > Xinerama which means no Xrandr. Last time i tried NVIDIA's twin
> > > view equivalent the 2 screens on my secondary graphics card were stuck
> as
> > > the same desktop which isn't suitable for me because i frequently swap
> > > workspaces by individual screen. I almost never swap workspaces on all
> > > screens at the same time. I have also used multiple x servers in the
> past
> > > but then you cannot move apps across screens. But anyway heres the list
> > of
> > > issues that I care enough about that I would fix if i had unlimited
> time.
> > >
> >
> > vdesk switching across multiple monitors hasn't been possible for a long
> > time, it was removed several years ago. Not sure how you're triggering
> > this.
> >
> >
> Twin View Seems fine on my work PC with 2 monitors ill try my desktop at
> home again in the next 2 days and see if it still exists.
>
>
> > >
> > > * It is not possible to add a shelf to the monitor on my primary card
> at
> > > all.
> > >
> >
> > How are you attempting to add the shelf?
> >
>
> Main Menu Desktops -> Shelves -> Add A Shelf, I think i also tried from the
> Shelf Settings dialogue. I noticed you made some changes here so i will
> check them out tomorrow night.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > *Applications are launched on the Screen the cursor is on not the
> screen
> > > they were launched from when quickly moving the cursor after launching,
> > > however, If you swap between workspaces after launching there is no
> > issue.
> > >
> >
> > I may look into this.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > * I have a key binding set to move windows between workspaces but if i
> > have
> >
>
>
> > > a window in workspace 1 and attempt to move it through workspace 2 into
> > > workspace 3 and there is a full screen application in workspace 2 the
> end
> > > result is the full screen window ends up in workspace 3 and the window
> i
> > > was attempting to move ends up in workspace 2.
> >
>
> Any thoughts on this issue? I can see why it would happen but its also one
> of the more annoying issues I face now that full screen windows behave
> normally
>
>
Could not reproduce. The only case where this could occur would be if you
have a fullscreen app which somehow grabs focus while you are executing the
keybind; e's window moving action moves the currently focused window.


>
> * One last issue that is probably more of a missing feature then a bug but
> if it's easy and your working in the area maybe you could look at it
> otherwise i will oneday. Currently i do most of my window management with
> keyboard short cuts such as moving between desktops etc. I noticed there
> are key bindings to move the mouse between screens but it would be great if
> there was the ability to add key bindings to move windows between screens
> if they exist i couldn't find them and i would appreciate someone showing
> me where they are. I think the ability to easily customise key bindings is
> once of the best features in Enlightenment.
>
>
Added.


> Cheers For the quick response and the great work you put in. Unfortunately
> i'm not home until late tonight so ill probably rebuild when i get home
> then test everything out tomorrow night.
>
> Simon
>
> http://simotek.net/tech
>
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Re: [E-devel] E17 BUG CALL Was (Re: enlightenment-devel Digest, Vol 74, Issue 135)

[Sebastian Dransfeld]

On 06/27/2012 06:52 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
>
> * One last issue that is probably more of a missing feature then a bug but
> if it's easy and your working in the area maybe you could look at it
> otherwise i will oneday. Currently i do most of my window management with
> keyboard short cuts such as moving between desktops etc. I noticed there
> are key bindings to move the mouse between screens but it would be great if
> there was the ability to add key bindings to move windows between screens
> if they exist i couldn't find them and i would appreciate someone showing
> me where they are.

There should be, I added it once. The actions are defined in e_actions.c 
from line 3105 and down.

S.

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