Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(Bhmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation to 
(Bspanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? basically 
(Bshould this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and es_AR what about 
(Bes_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B
(Bso if we use one - is there one that covers all of south american spanish? or 
(Bmost? just asking :)
(B
(B> --- e_intl.c.old 2005-04-14 06:09:21.0 -0300
(B> +++ e_intl.c 2005-04-14 21:09:13.0 -0300
(B> @@ -136,6 +136,8 @@
(B> IFL("vi") "Vietnamese";
(B> IFL("zh") "Chinese (Simplified)";
(B> IFL("zh_TW") "Chinese (Traditional)";
(B> + IFL("es") "Spanish";
(B> + IFL("es_AR") "Spanish (Argentina)"; 
(B> return "Unknown";
(B> }
(B> 
(B> Greetings
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:13:49 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(B> The pronunciation is different. It is like the difference that is between 
(B> english of England and english of the U.S.A.
(B> I think that you must put all the language tat are in /usr/lib/locale .
(B
(Bpronunciation - sure i know that bit (spanish si == "thee", south american == 
(B"see") , but SPELLING? written spanish? WRITTEN american english and queens 
(Benglish (everyone else - britain, canada, australia, new zealand etc.) is 
(Bdifferent. different words are also commonly used for the same things:
(B
(Bamerican  | queens english
(B--+---
(Bcolor | colour
(Borganized | organised
(Belevator  | lift
(Bsidewalk  | footpath
(Bcellphone | mobile phone
(B
(Bso my main question is:
(B
(Bis es_AR good enough for all south & central american spanish? and is it the 
(Bsame as WRITTEN spanish in spain? basically should i make this "es" instead of 
(B"es_AR" and if it is different to spanish in spain, is there another locale for 
(Bgeneral american spanish?
(B
(B> Greetings
(B> 
(B> On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B> > 
(B> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(B> > babbled:
(B> > 
(B> > hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation to 
(B> > spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? basically 
(B> > should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and es_AR what 
(B> > about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B> > 
(B> > so if we use one - is there one that covers all of south american spanish? 
(B> > or most? just asking :)
(B> > 
(B> > > --- e_intl.c.old 2005-04-14 06:09:21.0 -0300
(B> > > +++ e_intl.c 2005-04-14 21:09:13.0 -0300
(B> > > @@ -136,6 +136,8 @@
(B> > > IFL("vi") "Vietnamese";
(B> > > IFL("zh") "Chinese (Simplified)";
(B> > > IFL("zh_TW") "Chinese (Traditional)";
(B> > > + IFL("es") "Spanish";
(B> > > + IFL("es_AR") "Spanish (Argentina)";
(B> > > return "Unknown";
(B> > > }
(B> > >
(B> > > Greetings
(B> > 
(B> > --
(B> > - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Bruno Deferrari]

On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
> hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation >to 
> spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically 
> should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what 
> about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.

raster, You forgot es_UY ;)

Matias, si necesitás una mano, avisame. Yo tenía ganas de traducir el
manual que está en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo está haciendo
nadie ya, y aparte, está bastante largo

Cualquier cosa, me avisás,
Saludos.


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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:00:32 -0400 Enrique Ramirez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(B> I believe all spanish locales should have the same spelling. The onlycase I 
(B> can think of having differences are when using words like"you". For example, 
(B> here in Puerto Rico we use 'tu', but in some southamerican countries they use 
(B> 'vos'. There should be a few more, but Idon't see this being a big deal 
(B> though.
(B
(Bhmm ok - minor differences - maybe a lot like usa vs queens english. i might 
(Bmake this just plain "es" for now and we can shuffle around later? does this 
(Bsound good?
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(B> On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(B> > babbled:
(B> > 
(B> > hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation >to 
(B> > spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically 
(B> > should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what 
(B> > about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B> 
(B> raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B
(Boh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country codes for 
(Bthem all. my point was that is there something to cover all these countries? :)
(B
(B> Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de traducir el
(B> manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__ haciendo
(B> nadie ya, y aparte, est__ bastante largo
(B
(Bsomeone is already working on translating it - i have a mail in my inbox about 
(Bit. (i'm tyring to clean out my inbox... but failing miserably) :)
(B
(B> Cualquier cosa, me avis__s,
(B> Saludos.
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Bruno Deferrari]

Raster, I think its the same for every spanish speaking country.
Firefox has es_ES for Spain and es_AR for Latin-America, but Im almost
sure they are the same.


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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Didier Casse]

On 4/15/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:00:32 -0400 Enrique Ramirez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> babbled:
> 
> > I believe all spanish locales should have the same spelling. The onlycase I 
> > can think of having differences are when using words like"you". For 
> > example, here in Puerto Rico we use 'tu', but in some southamerican 
> > countries they use 'vos'. There should be a few more, but Idon't see this 
> > being a big deal though.
> 
> hmm ok - minor differences - maybe a lot like usa vs queens english. i might 
> make this just > plain "es" for now and we can shuffle around later? does 
> this sound good?

Sounds good. ;-)

There's no really big differences in writing unless you're talking
about slangs. I found slangs from different Spanish-speaking countries
a little bit confusing. But standard written Spanish can be considered
as being the same everywhere in the world.

If you want to have a peek at the minor differences, visit this link:

http://spanish.about.com/cs/historyofspanish/f/varieties.htm

There are 2 small paragraphs on grammar and vocabulary towards the end
which explain it in a nutshell and which would summarize countless
discussions! ;-)

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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[<\\\\-=}::MDK::{=-//>]

Hei, I can make the translation for the Brazilian Portuguese?

thanx
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:53:32 -0300 "<-=}::MDK::{=-//>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Danky]

El vie, 15-04-2005 a las 00:48 -0300, Bruno Deferrari escribió:
> Raster, I think its the same for every spanish speaking country.
> Firefox has es_ES for Spain and es_AR for Latin-America, but Im almost
> sure they are the same.

There are so many differences between south american spanish and spain
one.

Im from Spain and I have some south american friends, and there was so
much phrases that spanish people noticed strange and fun :)

for example:
south american - spain - english
dame teniendo - toma - take
vos - tu - you
compu - ordenador - computer
chico - peque?o - small
ingresa - introduce - input
clima - tiempo - weather
regresar - volver - back
presione - pulse - press
celular - movil - cellullar or mobile phone :)
auto - coche - car

note: the south american words can be from different countries
(argentina, mexico, ecuador..)

In spain we can understand all these words, spanish have too much
synonymous, but they are not common.

Spanish have so much more words and grammatic issues than english, so i
think that differences are bigger than american - uk english.

I can help with spanish traslation.
I saw an file called es_AR.po from Matias, but I saw only a few spanish
strings. Perhaps its incomplete?

If someone can tell me what I must do, I can traslate it :)




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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Danky]

El vie, 15-04-2005 a las 00:48 -0300, Bruno Deferrari escribió:

> Raster, I think its the same for every spanish speaking country.
> Firefox has es_ES for Spain and es_AR for Latin-America, but Im almost
> sure they are the same.

There are some differences between south american spanish and spain one.

Im from Spain and I have some south american friends, and there was so
much phrases that spanish people noticed strange and fun :)

for example:
south american - spain - english
dame teniendo - toma - take
vos - tu - you
compu - ordenador - computer
chico - pequeño - small
ingresa - introduce - input
clima - tiempo - weather
regresar - volver - back
presione - pulse - press
celular - movil - cellullar or mobile phone :)
auto - coche - car

note: the south american words can be from different countries
(argentina, mexico, ecuador..)

In spain we can understand all these words, spanish have too much
synonymous, but they are not common.

Spanish have so much more words and grammatic issues than english, so i
think that differences are bigger than american - uk english.

I can help with spanish traslation.
I saw an file called es_AR.po from Matias, but I saw only a few spanish
strings. Perhaps its incomplete?

If someone can tell me what I must do, I can traslate it :)



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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[The Rasterman]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:09:12 +0200 Danky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B
(B> El vie, 15-04-2005 a las 00:48 -0300, Bruno Deferrari escribi__:
(B> > Raster, I think its the same for every spanish speaking country.
(B> > Firefox has es_ES for Spain and es_AR for Latin-America, but Im almost
(B> > sure they are the same.
(B> 
(B> There are so many differences between south american spanish and spain
(B> one.
(B> 
(B> Im from Spain and I have some south american friends, and there was so
(B> much phrases that spanish people noticed strange and fun :)
(B> 
(B> for example:
(B> south american - spain - english
(B> dame teniendo - toma - take
(B> vos - tu - you
(B> compu - ordenador - computer
(B> chico - peque?o - small
(B> ingresa - introduce - input
(B> clima - tiempo - weather
(B> regresar - volver - back
(B> presione - pulse - press
(B> celular - movil - cellullar or mobile phone :)
(B> auto - coche - car
(B> 
(B> note: the south american words can be from different countries
(B> (argentina, mexico, ecuador..)
(B> 
(B> In spain we can understand all these words, spanish have too much
(B> synonymous, but they are not common.
(B> 
(B> Spanish have so much more words and grammatic issues than english, so i
(B> think that differences are bigger than american - uk english.
(B> 
(B> I can help with spanish traslation.
(B> I saw an file called es_AR.po from Matias, but I saw only a few spanish
(B> strings. Perhaps its incomplete?
(B> 
(B> If someone can tell me what I must do, I can traslate it :)
(B
(Byes. it's incomplete :) also it will keep being incomplete as long as e17 is 
(Bdeveloped. we add strings to the code all the time (new modules, new menus, 
(Bfeatures etc.) and it will become out of data every week - as will all the 
(Btranslations. :) so doing the translation stuff is a matter of finding new 
(Bstrings in enlightenment.pot that are not in the lang.po files that you are 
(Bhandling and regularly updating the translations. if strings disappear or 
(Bchange handle that too :)
(B
(Bso if you want to handle maintaining the .po file(s) that'd be great. right now 
(Bthe argentinian spanish translation is the generic es.po (as its the only one 
(Bwe have). i'd be happy to have help adding all the spanish locales (all of 
(Bsouth america and spain too) and have help in them being maintained :)
(B
(Byou may find its easier to just update them once a month or 2 to save time :)
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[jacinto calvo sintes]

Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and still working
on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop environment
don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to make more
than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some spanish
user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this words that
anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good translation for
all kinds ;) )

I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if anyone wants to
take a look at it just mail me ;)

thanks 

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
> > On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
> > > 
> > > hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation
>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically
should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what
about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
> > 
> > raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
> 
> oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country 
> codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover 
> all these countries? :)
> 
> > Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de traducir el
> > manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__ haciendo
> > nadie ya, y aparte, est__ bastante largo
> 
> someone is already working on translating it - i have a mail in my 
> inbox about it. (i'm tyring to clean out my inbox... but failing 
> miserably) :)
> 
> > Cualquier cosa, me avis__s,
> > Saludos.
> > 
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(Bbabbled:
(B
(B> Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and still working
(B> on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop environment
(B
(Byes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an on-going job. 
(Bevery time we change, add, or delete a string in e17 that can be displayed, the 
(Btranslations need to update to match it. the more people following and 
(Bupdating, the better the quality of the translation will be (that means more 
(Bstrings will be covered instead of many falling back to the default english 
(Bstrings) :)
(B
(B> don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to make more
(B> than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some spanish
(B> user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this words that
(B> anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good translation for
(B> all kinds ;) )
(B> 
(B> I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if anyone wants to
(B> take a look at it just mail me ;)
(B> 
(B> thanks 
(B> 
(B> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote
(B> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari 
(B> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B> > 
(B> > > On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B> > > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B> babbled:
(B> > > > 
(B> > > > hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation
(B> >to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically
(B> should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what
(B> about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B> > > 
(B> > > raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B> > 
(B> > oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country 
(B> > codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover 
(B> > all these countries? :)
(B> > 
(B> > > Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de traducir el
(B> > > manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__ haciendo
(B> > > nadie ya, y aparte, est__ bastante largo
(B> > 
(B> > someone is already working on translating it - i have a mail in my 
(B> > inbox about it. (i'm tyring to clean out my inbox... but failing 
(B> > miserably) :)
(B> > 
(B> > > Cualquier cosa, me avis__s,
(B> > > Saludos.
(B> > > 
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Luis Gracia]

About the es_AR or just es issue. I think it should be just es, and all
(Bcountry variations should default to es, unless somebody from one of
(Bthose countries wants a special translation. I would like to stress out
(Bhere that spanish from spain is es_ES and not es (which is just spanish
(Bfor everybody). The list of country variations should include (I took it
(Bfrom firefox language selection, are we missing any?): AR BO CL CO CR DO
(BEC SV GT HN MX NI PA PY PE PR ES UY VE
(B
(BBest,
(B
(BLuis
(B
(BCarsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B
(B>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
(B>babbled:
(B>
(B>  
(B>
(B>>Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and still working
(B>>on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop environment
(B>>
(B>>
(B>
(B>yes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an on-going job. 
(B>every time we change, add, or delete a string in e17 that can be displayed, 
(B>the translations need to update to match it. the more people following and 
(B>updating, the better the quality of the translation will be (that means more 
(B>strings will be covered instead of many falling back to the default english 
(B>strings) :)
(B>
(B>  
(B>
(B>>don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to make more
(B>>than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some spanish
(B>>user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this words that
(B>>anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good translation for
(B>>all kinds ;) )
(B>>
(B>>I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if anyone wants to
(B>>take a look at it just mail me ;)
(B>>
(B>>thanks 
(B>>
(B>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote
(B>>
(B>>
(B>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari 
(B>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(BOn 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B
(B
(B>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B>  
(B>
(B>>babbled:
(B>>
(B>>
(B>hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation
(B>  
(B>
(B>>>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(B>>should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what
(B>>about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B>>
(B>>
(Braster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B
(B
(B>>>oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country 
(B>>>codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover 
(B>>>all these countries? :)
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(BMatias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de traducir el
(Bmanual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__ haciendo
(Bnadie ya, y aparte, est__ bastante largo
(B
(B
(B>>>someone is already working on translating it - i have a mail in my 
(B>>>inbox about it. (i'm tyring to clean out my inbox... but failing 
(B>>>miserably) :)
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(BCualquier cosa, me avis__s,
(BSaludos.
(B
(B
(B
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RE: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Brizuela Ezequiel Hector]

Title: RE: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

(B
(B
(B
(B
(BI agree.
(BOr maybe es_LA? for Latin America?
(BJust my 2 cents.
(B
(B
(B-Mensaje original-
(BDe: Luis Gracia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
(BEnviado el: Miercoles, 20 de Abril de 2005 12:45
(BPara: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
(BCC: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
(BAsunto: Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support
(B
(B
(B
(BAbout the es_AR or just es issue. I think it should be just es, and all
(Bcountry variations should default to es, unless somebody from one of
(Bthose countries wants a special translation. I would like to stress out
(Bhere that spanish from spain is es_ES and not es (which is just spanish
(Bfor everybody). The list of country variations should include (I took it
(Bfrom firefox language selection, are we missing any?): AR BO CL CO CR DO
(BEC SV GT HN MX NI PA PY PE PR ES UY VE
(B
(B
(BBest,
(B
(B
(BLuis
(B
(B
(BCarsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B
(B
(B>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B>
(B>  
(B>
(B>>Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and still working
(B>>on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop environment
(B>>    
(B>>
(B>
(B>yes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an on-going job. every time we change, add, or delete a string in e17 that can be displayed, the translations need to update to match it. the more people following and updating, the better the quality of the translation will be (that means more strings will be covered instead of many falling back to the default english strings) :)
(B
(B>
(B>  
(B>
(B>>don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to make more
(B>>than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some spanish
(B>>user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this words that
(B>>anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good translation for
(B>>all kinds ;) )
(B>>
(B>>I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if anyone wants to
(B>>take a look at it just mail me ;)
(B>>
(B>>thanks 
(B>>
(B>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote
(B>>    
(B>>
(B>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari 
(B>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(B>>>>On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(B>>>>    
(B>>>>
(B>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B>>>>>  
(B>>>>>
(B>>babbled:
(B>>    
(B>>
(B>>>>>hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in pronunciation
(B>>>>>  
(B>>>>>
(B>>>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different? >basically
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(B>>should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR what
(B>>about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B>>    
(B>>
(B>>>>raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B>>>>    
(B>>>>
(B>>>oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country 
(B>>>codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover 
(B>>>all these countries? :)
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(B>>>>Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de traducir el
(B>>>>manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__ haciendo
(B>>>>nadie ya, y aparte, est__ bastante largo
(B>>>>    
(B>>>>
(B>>>someone is already working on translating it - i have a mail in my 
(B>>>inbox about it. (i'm tyring to clean out my inbox... but failing 
(B>>>miserably) :)
(B>>>
(B>>>  
(B>>>
(B>>>>Cualquier cosa, me avis__s,
(B>>>>Saludos.
(B>>>>
(B>>>>    
(B>>>>
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Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Luis Gracia]

Hi, I quite don't agree on es_LA, LA is actually the country code for
(B"LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC". I would just leave it as es. Here
(Bare some definitions about this codes:
(Bhttp://www.openi18n.org/spec/ldml/1.0/ldml-spec.htm
(Bhttp://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/englangn.html#st
(Bhttp://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html
(B
(B
(BLuis
(B
(BBrizuela Ezequiel Hector wrote:
(B
(B> I agree.
(B> Or maybe es_LA? for Latin America?
(B> Just my 2 cents.
(B>
(B> -Mensaje original-
(B> De: Luis Gracia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B> Enviado el: Miercoles, 20 de Abril de 2005 12:45
(B> Para: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
(B> CC: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
(B> Asunto: Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support
(B>
(B>
(B> About the es_AR or just es issue. I think it should be just es, and all
(B> country variations should default to es, unless somebody from one of
(B> those countries wants a special translation. I would like to stress out
(B> here that spanish from spain is es_ES and not es (which is just spanish
(B> for everybody). The list of country variations should include (I took it
(B> from firefox language selection, are we missing any?): AR BO CL CO CR DO
(B> EC SV GT HN MX NI PA PY PE PR ES UY VE
(B>
(B> Best,
(B>
(B> Luis
(B>
(B> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B>
(B> >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes"
(B> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >>Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and
(B> still working
(B> >>on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop
(B> environment
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >
(B> >yes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an
(B> on-going job. every time we change, add, or delete a string in e17
(B> that can be displayed, the translations need to update to match it.
(B> the more people following and updating, the better the quality of the
(B> translation will be (that means more strings will be covered instead
(B> of many falling back to the default english strings) :)
(B>
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >>don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to
(B> make more
(B> >>than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some
(B> spanish
(B> >>user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this
(B> words that
(B> >>anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good
(B> translation for
(B> >>all kinds ;) )
(B> >>
(B> >>I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if
(B> anyone wants to
(B> >>take a look at it just mail me ;)
(B> >>
(B> >>thanks
(B> >>
(B> >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
(B> wrote
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari
(B> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>>On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B> wrote:
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre
(B> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>babbled:
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>>>hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in
(B> pronunciation
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different?
(B> >basically
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR
(B> what
(B> >>about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>>raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country
(B> >>>codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover
(B> >>>all these countries? :)
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>>Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de
(B> traducir el
(B> >>>>manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__
(B> haciendo
(B> >>>>nadie ya, y

Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela]

Well, it should default to es if there isn't an specific traduction,
if LANG is es_MX but there isn't any es_MX then default to just es.

I would be nice to have es_* for some specific countries like Spain,
Argentina and Mexico, those are more likely be a tad different.

Cheers

On 4/20/05, Luis Gracia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I quite don't agree on es_LA, LA is actually the country code for
> "LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC". I would just leave it as es. Here
> are some definitions about this codes:
> http://www.openi18n.org/spec/ldml/1.0/ldml-spec.htm
> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/englangn.html#st
> http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html
> 
> 
> Luis
> 
> Brizuela Ezequiel Hector wrote:
> 
> > I agree.
> > Or maybe es_LA? for Latin America?
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > -Mensaje original-
> > De: Luis Gracia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Enviado el: Miercoles, 20 de Abril de 2005 12:45
> > Para: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > CC: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > Asunto: Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support
> >
> >
> > About the es_AR or just es issue. I think it should be just es, and all
> > country variations should default to es, unless somebody from one of
> > those countries wants a special translation. I would like to stress out
> > here that spanish from spain is es_ES and not es (which is just spanish
> > for everybody). The list of country variations should include (I took it
> > from firefox language selection, are we missing any?): AR BO CL CO CR DO
> > EC SV GT HN MX NI PA PY PE PR ES UY VE
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Luis
> >
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and
> > still working
> > >>on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop
> > environment
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >yes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an
> > on-going job. every time we change, add, or delete a string in e17
> > that can be displayed, the translations need to update to match it.
> > the more people following and updating, the better the quality of the
> > translation will be (that means more strings will be covered instead
> > of many falling back to the default english strings) :)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to
> > make more
> > >>than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some
> > spanish
> > >>user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this
> > words that
> > >>anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good
> > translation for
> > >>all kinds ;) )
> > >>
> > >>I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if
> > anyone wants to
> > >>take a look at it just mail me ;)
> > >>
> > >>thanks
> > >>
> > >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > wrote
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari
> > >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>babbled:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>>hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in
> > pronunciation
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different?
> > >basically
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR
> > what
> > >>about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
> > >>

Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support

[Luis Gracia]

Hi, I quite don't agree on es_LA, LA is actually the country code for
(B"LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC". I would just leave it as es. Here
(Bare some definitions about this codes:
(Bhttp://www.openi18n.org/spec/ldml/1.0/ldml-spec.htm
(Bhttp://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/englangn.html#st
(Bhttp://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/02iso-3166-code-lists/list-en1.html
(B
(B
(BLuis
(B
(BBrizuela Ezequiel Hector wrote:
(B
(B> I agree.
(B> Or maybe es_LA? for Latin America?
(B> Just my 2 cents.
(B>
(B> -Mensaje original-
(B> De: Luis Gracia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(B> Enviado el: Miercoles, 20 de Abril de 2005 12:45
(B> Para: enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
(B> CC: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
(B> Asunto: Re: [E-devel] Initial e17 spanish support
(B>
(B>
(B> About the es_AR or just es issue. I think it should be just es, and all
(B> country variations should default to es, unless somebody from one of
(B> those countries wants a special translation. I would like to stress out
(B> here that spanish from spain is es_ES and not es (which is just spanish
(B> for everybody). The list of country variations should include (I took it
(B> from firefox language selection, are we missing any?): AR BO CL CO CR DO
(B> EC SV GT HN MX NI PA PY PE PR ES UY VE
(B>
(B> Best,
(B>
(B> Luis
(B>
(B> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
(B>
(B> >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:50:15 +0100 "jacinto calvo sintes"
(B> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >>Hy, I did a general Spanish translation for e16 named es.po and
(B> still working
(B> >>on, i think that for just 'menus' or 'options' from a desktop
(B> environment
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >
(B> >yes. we can do with multiple translators helping out. it is an
(B> on-going job. every time we change, add, or delete a string in e17
(B> that can be displayed, the translations need to update to match it.
(B> the more people following and updating, the better the quality of the
(B> translation will be (that means more strings will be covered instead
(B> of many falling back to the default english strings) :)
(B>
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >
(B> >>don't hav such as many different words in each spanish derivation to
(B> make more
(B> >>than one translated file. anyway, if that's very important for some
(B> spanish
(B> >>user (not for me) we could discuss all spanish e-users for all this
(B> words that
(B> >>anyone thought as funny translation. (we could do a quite good
(B> translation for
(B> >>all kinds ;) )
(B> >>
(B> >>I hope also to finish translating soon MAIN file from EDOX; if
(B> anyone wants to
(B> >>take a look at it just mail me ;)
(B> >>
(B> >>thanks
(B> >>
(B> >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:26:29 +0900, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
(B> wrote
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:51:40 -0300 Bruno Deferrari
(B> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>>On 4/14/05, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B> wrote:
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:13:39 -0300 Matias Aguirre
(B> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>babbled:
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>>>hmm - ok. i know south american spanish is different in
(B> pronunciation
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>>>
(B> >>>to spanish in spain, but for written spanish - are they different?
(B> >basically
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>should this be es_AR or just es? (basically if we have es and >es_AR
(B> what
(B> >>about es_MX es_CO es_VE es_PA es_CI es_PE es_UR, >es_PG es_BO etc. etc.
(B> >>
(B> >>
(B> >>>>raster, You forgot es_UY ;)
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>>
(B> >>>oh that was meant to be es_UR :0 i don't know the 2 letter country
(B> >>>codes for them all. my point was that is there something to cover
(B> >>>all these countries? :)
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>
(B> >>>>Matias, si necesit__s una mano, avisame. Yo ten__a ganas de
(B> traducir el
(B> >>>>manual que est__ en lude.net/edocs , pero no se si no lo est__
(B> haciendo
(B> >>>>nadie ya, y