Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk.
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:45:17 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: I noticed that tab-completion does not work very well. It scrambles the terms I search for and parts of the command string as is being recalled from the bash history. It's as if I'm typing with Insert activated, because it seems to overwrite parts of the command. The worst thing is that the resulting string shown is not what is actually being run if I hit enter! Do you see the same? i don't see it, but i use zsh. does it work now? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
- Original Message - From: Iván Briano To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:40:34 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk 2012/6/28 Robert Krambovitis : - Original Message - From: Carsten Haitzler To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: yunn Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:35:18 AM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:47:37 +0200 yunn said: Hi All, the first give my congratulations for terminology. I like it and I'm enthusiastic. Only two suggestions. the subject of copy/paste and also the possibility, as play video, than play the video of the webcam. copy and paste work fine. hilight text and middle mouse to paste. like al the good old terms. - Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt+backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. The shell does that, not the terminal. For your consideration :) -- In that case, when using the same shell (bash) on the same system, the alt+backspace functionality works in xterm, gnome-terminal but NOT in terminology. Next request. Gnome-terminal sends mouse wheel events to vi, less etc, so I can scroll within vi using my laptop's touchpad for instance, which I find very useful. Other than that, out of curiousity, for those of you who don't use tabs, how do you manage multiple terminals? Note: I'm not talking about 2-3 or 32 monitors, but like 10+ on a normal monitor, from which you wish to switch quickly and easily? I personally have not found screen, alt+tab, shading, virtual desktops, tiling or any combination of the above practical. Thanks -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On 06/29/12 13:44, Robert Krambovitis wrote: - Original Message - From: Iván Briano To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:40:34 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk 2012/6/28 Robert Krambovitis : - Original Message - From: Carsten Haitzler To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: yunn Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:35:18 AM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:47:37 +0200 yunn said: Hi All, the first give my congratulations for terminology. I like it and I'm enthusiastic. Only two suggestions. the subject of copy/paste and also the possibility, as play video, than play the video of the webcam. copy and paste work fine. hilight text and middle mouse to paste. like al the good old terms. - Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt+backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. The shell does that, not the terminal. For your consideration :) -- In that case, when using the same shell (bash) on the same system, the alt+backspace functionality works in xterm, gnome-terminal but NOT in terminology. Next request. Gnome-terminal sends mouse wheel events to vi, less etc, so I can scroll within vi using my laptop's touchpad for instance, which I find very useful. Other than that, out of curiousity, for those of you who don't use tabs, how do you manage multiple terminals? Note: I'm not talking about 2-3 or 32 monitors, but like 10+ on a normal monitor, from which you wish to switch quickly and easily? I personally have not found screen, alt+tab, shading, virtual desktops, tiling or any combination of the above practical. You could try tmux: http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ -- Jérôme Pinot http://ngc891.blogdns.net/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I can't build the last few revisions of terminology to test this (error below) but Shift+Insert does not enter the clipboard into the terminal ... Is this by design? Shift+Insert does not work for me as well.. m. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On 29 June 2012 11:56, Jérôme Pinot ngc...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/29/12 13:44, Robert Krambovitis wrote: - Original Message - From: Iván Briano To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:40:34 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk [snip] Next request. Gnome-terminal sends mouse wheel events to vi, less etc, so I can scroll within vi using my laptop's touchpad for instance, which I find very useful. Other than that, out of curiousity, for those of you who don't use tabs, how do you manage multiple terminals? Note: I'm not talking about 2-3 or 32 monitors, but like 10+ on a normal monitor, from which you wish to switch quickly and easily? I personally have not found screen, alt+tab, shading, virtual desktops, tiling or any combination of the above practical. You could try tmux: http://tmux.sourceforge.net/ -- Jérôme Pinot http://ngc891.blogdns.net/ This may sound a little sick, but my favourite set-up involves tmux with 5 windows, first two have 6 vertically stacked panes to 6 machines each (similar systems running similar workloads), third one has a screen (yes, screen) session with 40 terminals to remote machines (if only there was a way to overcome the 40-term limitation) a random window and a syslog window... The tmux windows are easily re-created when tmux dies ( a little too often) and the screen session keeps my logins safe (think I've lost the password to half of them) :-) tmux prefix set to ` screen prefix set to C-t this way it doesn't interfere with emacs. I've never liked tabs or menu bars in my terminals, waste of screen real-estate. Ditto scroll-bars, if I can't get there with S-PgUp or S-PgDn it's not worth seeing. Loving terminology, looking forward to being able to use the numberpad to enter numbers. cheers, Andreas (etweek) -- -- Andreas Martens email / msn / googletalk: andr...@nodreams.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk.
On Friday 29 Jun 2012 10:53:50 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:45:17 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: I noticed that tab-completion does not work very well. It scrambles the terms I search for and parts of the command string as is being recalled from the bash history. It's as if I'm typing with Insert activated, because it seems to overwrite parts of the command. The worst thing is that the resulting string shown is not what is actually being run if I hit enter! Do you see the same? i don't see it, but i use zsh. does it work now? Yep, fixed! :-) Thanks. -- Regards, Mick -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
Shift+Insert does work for me, lastest SVN on Gentoo. Austin Morgan On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 01:44:45PM +0200, Mehturt wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I can't build the last few revisions of terminology to test this (error below) but Shift+Insert does not enter the clipboard into the terminal ... Is this by design? Shift+Insert does not work for me as well.. m. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:44:09 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis rob...@split.gr said: - Original Message - From: Iván Briano To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 3:40:34 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk 2012/6/28 Robert Krambovitis : - Original Message - From: Carsten Haitzler To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: yunn Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:35:18 AM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:47:37 +0200 yunn said: Hi All, the first give my congratulations for terminology. I like it and I'm enthusiastic. Only two suggestions. the subject of copy/paste and also the possibility, as play video, than play the video of the webcam. copy and paste work fine. hilight text and middle mouse to paste. like al the good old terms. - Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt +backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. The shell does that, not the terminal. For your consideration :) -- In that case, when using the same shell (bash) on the same system, the alt +backspace functionality works in xterm, gnome-terminal but NOT in terminology. Next request. Gnome-terminal sends mouse wheel events to vi, less etc, so I can scroll within vi using my laptop's touchpad for instance, which I find very useful. Other than that, out of curiousity, for those of you who don't use tabs, how do you manage multiple terminals? Note: I'm not talking about 2-3 or 32 monitors, but like 10+ on a normal monitor, from which you wish to switch quickly and easily? I personally have not found screen, alt+tab, shading, virtual desktops, tiling or any combination of the above practical. my font is the default one in terminology. i can fit 10 terms on my screen without overlap - easily. and make some tall, some wide... my monitors on desktops are normally 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 (27) + attached extra (1600x1200 or 1680x1050 21-24). laptops - varies. 1920x1080 16 or 1600x900 on 13 - i still get a lot there. i switch virtual desktops otherwise when i need more space. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:43:31 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis rob...@split.gr said: Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt +backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. alt+backspace was just a missing key table entry to emit the right escape. done. added now. as for ctrl+arrow keys - i can't replecate this chaning words at all. in xterm or gnome-terminal all it does is emit escape seq chars like: ;5D;5C;5A;5B i type in a few words in the shell and hit ctrl+left/right arrow and get this. sorry - but it doesn't do anything and terminology has the exact same result. i have tried both bash and zsh. i have also tried the linux text console and ctrl +arrows doesn't jump words. it just acts as a normal left/right arrow, so in x terms are being more extensive in trying to emulate special keys. For your consideration :) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Austin Morgan admor...@morgancomputers.net wrote: Shift+Insert does work for me, lastest SVN on Gentoo. It works as long as you Ctrl+V something, but if you only highlight it using mouse, it does not. On the other hand, in the other terminals I'm using (urxvt, mrxvt) Shift+Insert works even without Ctrl+V. m. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:22:57 +0200 Mehturt meht...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Austin Morgan admor...@morgancomputers.net wrote: Shift+Insert does work for me, lastest SVN on Gentoo. It works as long as you Ctrl+V something, but if you only highlight it using mouse, it does not. On the other hand, in the other terminals I'm using (urxvt, mrxvt) Shift+Insert works even without Ctrl+V. they are 2 different selections. it uses the clipboard (clrl+v) clipboard. it doesnt try anything else. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
- Original Message - From: Carsten Haitzler To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Robert Krambovitis Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:21:12 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:43:31 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis said: Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt +backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. alt+backspace was just a missing key table entry to emit the right escape. done. added now. as for ctrl+arrow keys - i can't replecate this chaning words at all. in xterm or gnome-terminal all it does is emit escape seq chars like: ;5D;5C;5A;5B i type in a few words in the shell and hit ctrl+left/right arrow and get this. sorry - but it doesn't do anything and terminology has the exact same result. i have tried both bash and zsh. i have also tried the linux text console and ctrl +arrows doesn't jump words. it just acts as a normal left/right arrow, so in x terms are being more extensive in trying to emulate special keys. For your consideration :) -- It's Fixed :) both alt+backspace and ctrl+arrows work Many thanks :) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk
As far as I recall, those special 'ctrl+arrow' are defined in /etc/inputrc On Friday June 29 2012 13:39:52 Robert Krambovitis escribió: - Original Message - From: Carsten Haitzler To: Enlightenment users discussion support enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Robert Krambovitis Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 3:21:12 PM Subject: Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:43:31 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis said: Good Morning, It is useful sometimes to be able to keep a second copy buffer with key copy combo (which doesn't get wiped by accident, especially on crappy mice). Other than that, something I noticed missing from the todo file: On most terminals, you can delete last word for instance by pressing alt +backspace, and jump words by pressing ctrl+arrows etc. alt+backspace was just a missing key table entry to emit the right escape. done. added now. as for ctrl+arrow keys - i can't replecate this chaning words at all. in xterm or gnome-terminal all it does is emit escape seq chars like: ;5D;5C;5A;5B i type in a few words in the shell and hit ctrl+left/right arrow and get this. sorry - but it doesn't do anything and terminology has the exact same result. i have tried both bash and zsh. i have also tried the linux text console and ctrl +arrows doesn't jump words. it just acts as a normal left/right arrow, so in x terms are being more extensive in trying to emulate special keys. For your consideration :) -- -- Wido -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk.
Raster, I really want to congratulate you. I've been suscribed to this list for the past 4-5 years. This is the first time I recall having such a vigorous conversation in the list! and is not even a FLAME WAR!!! And all of this because of terminology. I think it has even more adepts than E itself! Kudos for (yet another) greate software you've made =) On Friday June 29 2012 09:10:33 Mick escribió: On Friday 29 Jun 2012 10:53:50 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:45:17 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: I noticed that tab-completion does not work very well. It scrambles the terms I search for and parts of the command string as is being recalled from the bash history. It's as if I'm typing with Insert activated, because it seems to overwrite parts of the command. The worst thing is that the resulting string shown is not what is actually being run if I hit enter! Do you see the same? i don't see it, but i use zsh. does it work now? Yep, fixed! :-) Thanks. -- -- Wido -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Terminology - time to talk.
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:39:39 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: Raster, I really want to congratulate you. I've been suscribed to this list for the past 4-5 years. This is the first time I recall having such a vigorous conversation in the list! and is not even a FLAME WAR!!! And all of this because of terminology. I think it has even more adepts than E itself! Kudos for (yet another) greate software you've made =) bah! it's not so great! you ain't seen nothing yet. :) thanks though. on a serious note - after having some fun with visuals i have been trying to fix up terminal and input related issues for it to work better. it's not perfect, and realistically it needs multiple people to pitch in and they HAVE been and that's AWESOME!. there are some rough bits that need doing. wallpaper and theme browser/selector for one, about box, and THEN... i can start on the more fun bit - expanding the capabilities of a terminal to make your terminals way more useful, not just pretty. (though most of these involve breaking stuff away from pure text into imagery, widgets or audio). On Friday June 29 2012 09:10:33 Mick escribió: On Friday 29 Jun 2012 10:53:50 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:45:17 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com said: I noticed that tab-completion does not work very well. It scrambles the terms I search for and parts of the command string as is being recalled from the bash history. It's as if I'm typing with Insert activated, because it seems to overwrite parts of the command. The worst thing is that the resulting string shown is not what is actually being run if I hit enter! Do you see the same? i don't see it, but i use zsh. does it work now? Yep, fixed! :-) Thanks. -- -- Wido -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
