Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system (backup foolishness)
It just requires people to share, and to value that efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity. Could refer to a public utility or a private one that is regulated well. That was what I meant, but I wanted to frame it broadly - a distributed utility functioning in the most efficient manner. However that actually would work... As far as knowledge, there is plenty if you seek it, I have done enough research into newer testing methods, and the design and application of Li ion cells, in many of their forms, that I do not need to make stuff up. I did not make faith based comments. There are already ways to get 10+ year life used in medical applications. The reasons for failure are unrelated to charge rates and current levels. You can extrapolate to larger size cells and test the larger cells in a reasonable length of time. Testing can now adequately describe the expected cycle life of cells and compare among them validly. Even to the level of detecting the effect of additions of small fractions of electrolyte additives. Design by the best people is now going to produce far better results than we are used to. It is now more of a design problem - but too few people are able to design properly, because they use old information based on inferior testing. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:35 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 2 May 2015 at 23:00, Michael Ross via EV wrote: Distributed electrical utility is far more efficient than every little node meeting peak demand. It just requires people to share, and to value that efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity. To me, the idea of an electric cooperative has strong appeal. However, the pessimist in me says that if such a movement ever really got going in a big way, the commercial power producers would call in their lobbying chips and have at it. If ISPs can get laws passed against cities developing internet service, surely utilities can get laws passed against co-ops providing electric service. I DO believe that some Li ion cells can be operated to last at least 10 years, some types probably 20. There is science to back this up. New testing with good correlation to reality. Maybe you and I are just using different language for this, but we need knowledge, not faith. We can get real knowledge of whether some (many?) kinds of lithium batteries last 10-20 years. However, it'll take 10-20 years. Accelerated life testing is useful, but it's not the final answer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/744b584c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Enclosed human-electric hybrid spins around the UCF campus
http://www.centralfloridafuture.com/story/news/2015/04/26/student-engineers-show-inventions-at-design-showcase/26414741/
Student engineers show inventions at design showcase
Bernard Wilchusky April 26, 2015
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The Human Assisted Electric Vehicle could reach speeds of up to 40 mph and
has a range of about 50 miles. The entire vehicle cost about $4,000 to
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The HAEV takes a spin around the UCF campus. (Photo: Bernard Wilchusky,
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Seniors of the UCF College of Engineering showcase their latest inventions.
Bernard Wilchusky, Central Florida Future
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The annual showcase, hosted from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. in the atrium of
Engineering Building I, challenged outgoing students to design new and
inventive solutions to real-world problems.
Student groups, ranging in size from three to six members, labored for
months to make creations such as a portable drone charging platform, a
low-cost mode of transportation and even a new stress-testing suite for use
in aeronautical design. Groups were required to find materials and fund for
their projects, many of which cost up to $2,000 in parts alone.
[image] Senior mechanical engineering students Garrett Chapman, Chris Harris
and Zachary Loparo stand in front of their invention, the Human Assisted
Electric Vehicle. (Photo: Bernard Wilchusky, Central Florida Future)
For members of the Enhanced Alternative Transportation team, the goal was to
design a safe and cost-effective mode of transportation. Their invention, a
teardrop-shaped tricycle called the Human Assisted Electric Vehicle, had a
final cost of $4,000, said Caleb Amy, a member of the team.
We designed this vehicle to bridge the gap between cars and bicycles, said
Amy, a senior mechanical engineering major. It's a lot cheaper than a car,
but it also protects you from the weather. It can cruise at about 40 mph,
has a range of 50 miles, and it protects the rider from the rain. Not to
mention, it's pretty comfortable.
The team behind the Supply and Command Roller for an Autonomous Multicopter
set out to make a mobile, remote-controlled charging platform for long-range
drones. Its device, a large platform flanked by twin photovoltaic panels,
boasted a small processing suite nestled between its four wheels that would
allow operators to control and move the platform remotely.
The best way to think of it is as a big, fancy charging station, said Tom
Czachur, a senior aerospace engineering major. It's like if your phone
charger had wheels and a big, fancy solar charger, except it doesn't plug
into a phone, it plugs into a hexacopter.
The Hypersonic Environment Testing team designed a particolored metal rig
that placed airplane components under the kind of thermal, mechanical or
sonic stresses the team would experience during regular operating
conditions. Michael Sanchez, a senior mechanical engineering major, said
that the testing rig was the first system that was able to test all three
stresses simultaneously.
Our testing rig simulates hypersonic flight conditions, Sanchez said.
We're trying to simulate mechanical loading, thermal stress and acoustic
loading. Our testing for that last one is really loud; you need earbuds to
be near it. It's the equivalent of being next to a really, really loud music
concert, which is like being at Mach 5.
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[EVDL] aqmd.gov/lawnmower Exchange Program eLawnmowers for S.CA residents
http://ktla.com/2015/05/02/saturday-gayle-on-the-go-saturday-may-2nd-2015/
Saturday “Gayle on the Go!”, Saturday, May 2nd, 2015
May 2, 2015, by Gayle Anderson ...
Lawnmower Exchange Program
Pre-Register 1-888-425-6247
www.aqmd.gov/lawnmower
If you still have some grass as part of your landscaping, the South Coast
Air Quality Management District has non-polluting electric lawn
mowers…cheap!
SCAQMD Residents can now learn if they qualify and pre-register for the 2015
Lawn Mower Exchange Program.
We have an opportunity to exchange an old, operable gasoline-powered lawn
mower and purchase, at a discounted rate, a new electric lawnmower. This
year, we have six models from which to choose from, with our cost being from
$100 to $250 depending on the model we choose.
Pre-registration is required! There are six exchange locations scheduled
from Long Beach to Arcadia. Visit the website www.aqmd.gov for registration
and location information.
[© 2015, KTLA]
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Lawn Equipment ... Mowing Down Air Pollution!
Residents living within the South Coast Air Quality Management District
(SCAQMD) jurisdiction are eligible to register for the 2015 Electric Lawn
Mower Exchange Program.
This annual program offers SCAQMD residents an opportunity to help clean the
air by exchanging an old, operable gasoline-powered lawn mower and
purchasing a new electric cordless lawnmower.
Pre-registration is required. This year, you have six models to choose
from, with your cost ranging from $100 to $250 depending on the model you
choose. There will be six exchange locations scheduled.
https://xappprod.aqmd.gov/lawnmowerexchange/Program/Sechedule
to REGISTER NOW
OVERVIEW
LAWN MOWER
LEAF BLOWER
OVERVIEW
SCAQMD has two annual programs that help clean the air through the exchange
of lawn and garden equipment:
In the spring, residents can turn in an old, operable gasoline-powered lawn
mower and purchase a new cordless electric lawnmower that produces zero
emissions at reduced cost.
In the summer or fall, commercial landscapers and gardeners operating with
the South Coast Air Basin can exchange old, noisy, high-polluting backpack
leaf blowers for new backpack blowers that have significantly reduced
emission and noise levels.
An older gas-powered lawn mower can spew more pollution into the air in a
single year than a car driven more than 22,000 miles. All the gas mowers and
leaf blowers that are turned in for this program are scrapped and the metal
recycled. To date, SCAQMD has scrapped more than 55,000 highly polluting
gasoline mowers, removing almost 114 tons of smog-forming pollutants from
the Southland’s air. Similarly, the total number of old, polluting leaf
blowers that have been scrapped exceeds 10,000.
LAWN MOWER
This annual program offers SCAQMD residents an opportunity to help clean the
air by exchanging an old, operable gasoline-powered lawn mower and
purchasing a new electric lawnmower ...
More Information Contact
Lawn Equipment Exchange Team
1-888-425-6247
South Coast AQMD21865 Copley Dr Diamond Bar, CA 91765
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[EVDL] EVLN: Chargemaster offers free EV loaner2 Milton Keynes UK businesses
http://www.mkweb.co.uk/Free-electric-car-loan-Milton-Keynes-businesses/story-26395794-detail/story.html
Free electric car loan to Milton Keynes businesses
By MKWeb | April 27, 2015
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Businesses in Milton Keynes are being given the opportunity to test out
electric cars
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Milton Keynes Council's electric vehicle partner Chargemaster Plc is
offering a free electric vehicle loan service to Milton Keynes businesses.
Chargemaster has a small fleet of electric vehicles (EV) that can be loaned
to companies (and their staff) within Milton Keynes to allow them to
experience an electric vehicle for themselves and to see what the benefits
of electric motoring are.
A Renault Zoe and two Nissan Leafs are available for loan to MK companies.
No charges are levied and companies have the free use of over 200 charging
points in the Milton Keynes area including 56 rapid chargers which recharge
these cars in less than 30mins.
Loan cars are available typically for two weeks at a time and are subject to
availability on a first come first served basis.
Chargemaster require copies of drivers' driving licences but otherwise there
is no formal paperwork to complete.
This is a great way for companies to sample the benefits of EVs for
themselves without having to buy a vehicle first.
With over 20 electric cars on the market from manufacturers such as BMW, VW,
Audi, Renault and Nissan, there is a lot more choice within the EV market.
Over the next five years it is predicted that EVs are likely to become the
mainstream vehicle with virtually every car manufacturer producing either
plug-in hybrids or pure electric EVs with increasing range of over 150
miles.
Electric vehicles provide huge benefits such as low fuel costs, quieter
engines and low emissions which will improve air quality in the city.
There are also considerable economic benefits for both companies and
employees with very low benefit in kind taxes.
For further information visit the government website: www.goultralow.com
If you are interested in taking up this offer please e-mail either
sara.bailey @Milton-keynes.gov.uk or directly to david.martell
@chargemasterplc.com
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EVs running on Solar Harvesting America’s New “Gasoline”
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/24/8489881/ford-mike-tinskey-electric-vehicles-infrastructure-interview
Hot planet, Fossil fuel out of favor, UberLyft are Electrifying Ford
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/04/29/general_motors_has_phased_out_coal_seriously.html
Before famously killing the EV1, in 1981 GM introduced a coal-dust car
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/04/business/gm-displays-car-fueled-with-coal-dust.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/business/finding-easier-ways-to-charge-electric-vehicles.html?_r=0
Finding Easier Ways to Charge Electric Vehicles
http://www.motoroids.com/news/mahindra-e2o-now-more-affordable-with-the-new-government-incentive-costs-inr-4-79-lakh/
INR4.8lakh e2o EV now more affordable with Government.in incentive
http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=34932
Li Urban Tech E2O EV Fleet e-carshare services Bangalore.in 's TESCO
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/miSci-gets-electric-vehicle-charging-station-6211953.php
miSci gets ChargePoint EVSE in SCHENECTADY NY
http://bbjtoday.com/blog/western-solar-triples-space-in-preparation-for-hiring/31060
westernsolarinc.com building's free4customers solar-powered EVSE
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[EVDL] Ginger the bhaktichai.com e-Tuk-Tuk/nEV on a U.S. city tour
'Lohia Auto 2 3 wheel EVs' http://bhaktichai.com/connect/tuktuk2015/ Tuk Tuk Tour Join Us On The Road! Bhakti Chai, purveyor of the authentic, fresh, fiery chai, is launching the first-ever Tuk Tuk Tour! We are proud to introduce “Ginger”, the first street-legal electric Tuk Tuk in the U.S., to fans via this cross-country pilgrimage. [images http://bhaktichai.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/FullSizeRender-1.jpg (etuk-tuk) http://bhaktichai.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/tuk-tour-dates-as-of-4.24.jpg (List of U.S. tour cities) ] Ginger was unveiled in Austin, TX at SXSW and will make her way to more than 20 cities in ten months, spending quality time with conscious consumers who are into wellness, seek sustainably sourced products and prioritize purchasing high-quality brands. Of course, Ginger will be sharing our spicy, sustainable, and socially conscious brew with fans across the nation. We look forward to seeing you on the journey! Take a photo of Ginger if you see her on the road and use #MeetGinger so we can track her pilgrimage! Tour Schedule: If you would like to #MeetGinger by bringing her to your business or event, email us! [ info @bhaktichai.com ] [© bhaktichai.com] ... http://bhaktichai.com/track-tuk-ginger-lands-austin/ Track the Tuk: Ginger Lands in Austin Welcome to day one of my journey! [image http://bhaktichai.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ginger-to-SXSW-1st-blog.png ] ... [© bhaktichai.com] ... http://www.thedailycity.com/2015/04/meetginger-bhakti-chai-tuk-tuk-visits.html TheDailyCity.com: #meetginger Bhakti Chai Tuk Tuk Visits Orlando [20150428] ... The Fresh Market had a little Tuk Tuk parked out front today to promote Bhakti Chai. Shoppers received a free shot of the product in individual ... Bhakti Chai Tuk Tuk Visits Orlando #meetginger The Fresh Market had a little Tuk Tuk parked out front today to promote Bhakti Chai (Web | Twitter | Instagram). Shoppers received a free shot of the product in individual bottles and they walked in. We were just amazed at the cool Tuk Tuk (buy one here [ http://etukusa.com/ ])... and the coffee blend iced chai shot wasnt bad either. [images https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--mF3v-kEMkw/VT_O-JeXNFI/pH4/lebgCuXr_4c/s640/blogger-image--1521878522.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jwljVslk_-A/VT_O9DkQ7QI/pHw/gEXH4cefdF4/s640/blogger-image--1918048766.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xx4zLk-IIzM/VT_PB6prpfI/pIQ/IG5rVw4HH54/s640/blogger-image-39982635.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZQLagC3mgHY/VT_PApPbt6I/pII/n9wzvPYVnDs/s640/blogger-image--1164621987.jpg ] [© TheDailyCity.com] ... http://etukusa.com/ Buy an Electric tuk-tuk in the U.S. http://www.prweb.com/releases/BhaktiChai/TukTukTour/prweb12688234.htm Bhakti Chai Introduces Ginger The First Street Legal Electric Tuk Tuk In The U.S. To Fans Around The Country April 29, 2015 -- Bhakti Chai Introduces Ginger The First Street Legal Electric Tuk Tuk In The U.S. To Fans Around The Country BOULDER, Colorado (PRWEB) April 29, 2015 Bhakti Chai, alchemist of Boulders award-winning freshly micro-brewed chai tea has launched the first ever Tuk Tuk Tour. A Tuk Tuk is a three-wheeled motorized vehicle used as a taxi in India, Thailand and other Southeast Asian countries. Bhakti Chai purchased the vehicle from eTuk, a Thailand-based company, and named the Tuk Tuk Ginger a nod to the ingredient that makes Bhakti Chai so unique and spicy. Ginger is customized with coolers that store Bhakti Chais mini 2-ounce samples and outfitted with Indian regalia. The 10-month cross-country pilgrimage will take Ginger and her driver Mark to more than 20 cities throughout the year to visit fans and conscious consumers who practice wellness, seek sustainably sourced products and prioritize purchasing high-quality brands. Ginger will be landing in Miami on April 30th and will be spending a few days visiting retail partners including Whole Foods Market, The Fresh Market and Earth Fare to hand out samples and talk about their sustainable, award-winning chai. Chris VanVliet of Fox TV-Miami will be covering Gingers visit to South Beach for On DECO Drive April 30th and will air the story at 7:30 pm and 11:30pm local time and at 11pm in Boston. In support of Bhakti Chais social mission, Ginger and Mark will visit the corporate headquarters of Girl Power, a local non-profit offering empowerment programs to young girls and their families throughout Miami-Dade County. Kerry Bruce, Program Director for Girl Power says, Bhakti Chais devotion to supporting women and girls throughout the global community is so inspirational and were thrilled theyre coming to meet our girls in person this week while theyre in Miami with the Tuk Tuk Tour! In addition to sharing chai with the Girl Power crew, Bhakti Chai will present Kerry with a donation to further their mission of encouraging young girls to build confidence, competence and pride within themselves. Bhakti Chai has teamed up
Re: [EVDL] Battery Types
I would say that any chart would be untrustworthy unless it was put together very recently. Any chart would be possible accurate on some counts not others. It is rather unfortunate, but true. Can you be more specific about the specifications you are looking at? Provide links, etc. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:21 PM, ken via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Is there a chart that shows all batteries types and the number of cycles, enegery density, heat runaway,etc. I guess theres something called MCM lin min ??? they seem to be a lttle cheaper than lifeo4 but the voltage far off a lttle faster .. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/0b17e99d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Battery Types
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Re: [EVDL] Battery Types
There were some nice Power vs Energy density figures awhile back for the various battery types. Most resembled fat right parenthesis )s as battery energy was traded for power and vice versa. The lithium ion curves have evidently shifted to greater power and energy levels. Lead Acid was in toward the (0,0) corner. It was either DOE or the ABC (battery consortium) that put together some circle diagrams where each spoke addressed a characteristic about a battery. One spoke was safety, another cycle life, another $/kwhr, etc. A standard was set for each characteristic and a red line connected the battery performance points relative to the goal for that standard. If the battery had a high potential to ignite, the point was in toward the center to zero. If low, the red line could be out away from the center. If the battery met all the goals, the red line was out away from the goal line. It was a quick way to visually see how well the battery was performing. The recent link to the Jeff Dahn video on battery testing indicated that different battery electrolytes could dramatically change the energy density and cycle life. With the rapid pace of development and new tools for measuring battery performance, any chart could become outdated quickly. As is often said here: There are lies, damn lies, and battery statistics. Who did the testing? Were they objective or were they more interested in helping the manufacturer sell batteries? If you really want to know a battery, you have to test it, work with it, and try it out in your application. Does it work for you? Welcome to a Smorgasbord of battery types and info. On 5/3/2015 1:21 PM, ken via EV wrote: Is there a chart that shows all batteries types and the number of cycles, enegery density, heat runaway,etc. I guess theres something called MCM lin min ??? they seem to be a lttle cheaper than lifeo4 but the voltage far off a lttle faster .. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Enclosed human-electric hybrid spins around the UCF campus
That looks a lot like the ELF http://organictransit.com/ product of the company I just started working for. I was previously a beta tester for them. It is a good design. I have been hired to develop new products, but I hope I can add to their manufacturing, purchasing and other efforts as well. Since I am an employee you have to take what I say with an open skeptical mind. I do still have the beta I bought, and commuted 25 miles each way with. (25 miles takes about 1kWh at 48VDC nominal on my older machine. I degraded my LFP batteries by charging them fully in the hot sun, and have not bought new packs. Now my commute is too long. I think their current packs are better than the ones I have, but I have no personal experience with them. The ELF they sell now is better than mine in a number of ways. Fit and finish, some suspension improvements, many small manufacturing details are better now.. Mpre options are available. It's effective and fun in an urban setting. It is easy for car drivers to see, and car traffic seems to treat you well - I have found it makes things go smoother if you wave people around you when it makes sense - some people just will not cross a double yellow without permission.. In suburbia you may want to find more of the 25mph roads, but it really gets you across intersections, up to speed from a dead stop, and up hills in a way no HPV only bike can do. On 25mph residential streets you will almost never hold up car traffic. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The Human Assisted Electric Vehicle could reach speeds of up to 40 mph and has a range of about 50 miles. The entire vehicle cost about $4,000 to produce. Velomobiles are wonderful, as are electric-assist velomobiles. I'm not so sure they'll well suited for American suburbia...but there are definitely those for whom such a vehicle is perfect. The thing that surprises me, though, is that price tag. It's not that hard to spend that much on a recumbent trike, let alone add a fairing and an electric motor, and velomobiles generally start at that price and up -- potentially way up for high performance ones. Anybody know any more about this one? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/22e9d827/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/2847c612/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Battery Types
ken via EV wrote: Is there a chart that shows all batteries types and the number of cycles, energy density, heat runaway, etc. There are lots of charts on the web. Many of them tend to be written for marketing purposes; so watch out for the accuracy and spin of the data. Another problem is that things like life require a lot of expensive time-consuming testing. People who have generated such data tend to be reluctant to give it away for free. I'm an old-school show me type. I've been lied to so many times by battery salesmen that I prefer to test it for myself. Rarely do batteries perform as well as the marketing claims. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Enclosed human-electric hybrid spins around the UCF campus
On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The Human Assisted Electric Vehicle could reach speeds of up to 40 mph and has a range of about 50 miles. The entire vehicle cost about $4,000 to produce. Velomobiles are wonderful, as are electric-assist velomobiles. I'm not so sure they'll well suited for American suburbia...but there are definitely those for whom such a vehicle is perfect. The thing that surprises me, though, is that price tag. It's not that hard to spend that much on a recumbent trike, let alone add a fairing and an electric motor, and velomobiles generally start at that price and up -- potentially way up for high performance ones. Anybody know any more about this one? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/22e9d827/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
