[EVDL] VA Yank (Bruce Lawton) visiting UK, looking for an EV-grin

[brucedp5 via EV]

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I assume you meant you are in London.uk (there are several locations named
London, see below). I would try several things to hook-up with some UK
EV'rs. Searching for EV clubs got me EVs for hire(rentals), but I found
these EV associations:

https://www.facebook.com/londonev/
London Electric Vehicle Association

http://www.evmeerkat.com/welcome-to-electric-vehicle-drivers-association-in-united-kingdom-or-evda-uk/

https://driveev.net/tag/goultralow/


Other local EV Associations might be known by EV dealer reps. Here are some
Leaf EV dealer links:
https://www.nissan.co.uk/dealer-locator.html

Glyn Hopkin East London  1021 Romford Rd  Ilford E12 5LH tel0208 988 5000 
8:30a-6p

Nissan London West Concord Road London W3 0RZ tel 0208 276 2003 8:30a-7p

http://www.ancaster.co.uk/nissan/
Ancaster 43-45 High St Eltham SE9 1DH tel 0208 331 6900 8:30a-7p


Several  types of EVs are sold in the UK & can be seen at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_Kingdom#Top_selling_models_by_year
 mostly being Leaf EVs, i3, Zoe, Tesla-S, +more. 


EVSE maps (find EV'rs at their watering holes):
Plugshare.com had some listings to explore (London UK > use legend> more
options> deselect all EVSE type but what you seek):

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/53990
London - Canary Wharf Supercharger  Montgomery Street, London, E14 5EW  
Canada Square car park on level 2. 

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/51007
Royal Victoria Docks Supercharger  Tidal Basin Road London, E16 1GB, United
Kingdom
2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, 2 Mennekes (Type 2)s, 2 Tesla SuperChargers 

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/67640
Calvert Avenue Parking/Charging 
Calvert Avenue, Hackney, London, E2 7JP, United Kingdom 
CHAdeMO DCFC, Mennekes (Type 2), CCS DCFC

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/22214
Holborn Studios, Hackney N1
49-50 Eagle Wharf Road, Hackney, LONDON, N1 7ED, United Kingdom
CHAdeMO DCFC, Mennekes (Type 2), CCS DCFC


I found one of several UK EVSE maps
https://www.zap-map.com/live/
 I used the filter option to narrow the display to just showing L3 EVSE:

Tesla Superstation: The Tower Hotel St. Katherine's Way London Greater
London E1W 1LD

CHAdeMO & combo L3: Holborn Studios 49-50 Eagle Wharf Road London Greater
London N1 7ED


Lastly, from what I can find, getting into a tour of the NMUK Nissan
Sunderland.uk plant is not an easy task
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motor_Manufacturing_UK#Geography
 Perhaps a London Leaf dealer would know if it were possible while you are
there.



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Bruce Lawton   Tue, 17 May 2016 10:22 AM
I'm in London this week and surprised at the lack of EVs. I see more on my
northern Virginia commute than I've seen all week here. Gas is £1.22/liter
($6.14/gal), which of course is much more than home. Why so few EVs here?
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Re: [EVDL] EV-Spotting in London

[Paul Dove via EV]

Only 47% of UK adults believe that individual efforts to limit their own impact 
on climate change are worthwhile, although this rises to 70% of readers and 
users of the Guardian and Observer, who tend to be more eco-conscious.

The research further shows that 40% of UK adults think that pollution from 
other countries makes our efforts irrelevant, falling to 17% among the GNM 
audience.

The study mirrors other recent research that shows that consumers are not 
prepared to pay a premium for more ethical goods and services.

More than that, more complex or expensive purchases such as solar panels, 
electric vehicles, travelling by train abroad and ethical loans remain beyond 
the means or desires of the majority.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/motivates-consumers-environmental-ethical-decisions

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> On May 17, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Bruce Lawton via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm in London this week and surprised at the lack of EVs. I see more on my 
> northern Virginia commute than I've seen all week here. Gas is £1.22/liter 
> ($6.14/gal), which of course is much more than home.
> 
> Why so few EVs here?
> 
> Bruce
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[EVDL] Looking for ~320V pack (used?) also EV truck for sale

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi gang,
I was given an S10 EV (US Electricar) with bad pack.
I am trying to resuscitate it to see how much of the capacity is still
present
(as the 100Ah AGM pack was never used after installation!) but sitting
for over 10 years
with no charging in the last few years has taken its toll and it is not
looking good.
I can get the pack to ~350V on about 1/3 Amp trickle charge (the onboard
charger is not
working as it should) but the voltage collapses with the slightest load:
just moving under
its own power is possible, but only a crawl before the pack tanks to
250V

So, it is likely that I am looking for a pack, either a single string of
around 100Ah lead again
or do the right thing and go for Lithium.
Anybody knowing or having a (used) pack for sale?
Another alternative may be totaled/parting out Leaf.
I still have 43 cells CALB 180Ah (blue cells) so adding more LiFePO4
cells and installing
them in this truck is an option.

Since 2 EV trucks is too much, I will be selling one of my trucks,
either this 1994 S10 or the
1989 Ford Ranger with a 120V system. The S10 still needs to be added to
the EV Album,
the Ranger can be found at http://evalbum.com/4259

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Re: [EVDL] EV charging is trivial on the large scale too

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 For it all to be charged by solar, perhaps. 
But I think the problem he identified is the large number of people who, by 
virtue of the fact that they *don't* have the ability to have any kind of 
plug-in opportunity, whether renewable or not, cannot yet be part of the market 
for plug-ins.
Not a trivial problem, but being addressed bit by bit.

- Mark  

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 From: Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: [EVDL] EV charging is trivial on 
the large scale too Date: 5/17/16, 9:33 AM

 
> 
> > ​If we are talking about the entire population of ICE becoming EVs 
 
> then this is a significant problem for which very little thought 
> has been expended in the solving.​ 
 
Yes, Very little thought by the status-quo-non thinkers. 
 
But a trivial problem.  All it takes is ONE parking spot covering of solar 
panels to fully charge the average daily miles of an EV, FOREVER.  And 
every car in America has about 5 parking spots each.  Home, work, church, 
school, retail, sports, etc... 
 
So if we just cover one parking spot of the FIVE with solar panels, we have 
eliminated 80% of our carbon emissions due to transportation!  And it costs 
LESS than just doing nothing!  Self generated amortized cost of solar 
electricity is about half the cost of the utilities. 
 
Duh, its a no brainer... 
 
Bob, Wb4APR 
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[EVDL] EV-Spotting in London

[Bruce Lawton via EV]

I'm in London this week and surprised at the lack of EVs. I see more on my 
northern Virginia commute than I've seen all week here. Gas is £1.22/liter 
($6.14/gal), which of course is much more than home.

Why so few EVs here?

Bruce
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[EVDL] EV charging is trivial on the large scale too

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

>
> > ​If we are talking about the entire population of ICE becoming EVs

> then this is a significant problem for which very little thought
> has been expended in the solving.​

Yes, Very little thought by the status-quo-non thinkers.

But a trivial problem.  All it takes is ONE parking spot covering of solar
panels to fully charge the average daily miles of an EV, FOREVER.  And
every car in America has about 5 parking spots each.  Home, work, church,
school, retail, sports, etc...

So if we just cover one parking spot of the FIVE with solar panels, we have
eliminated 80% of our carbon emissions due to transportation!  And it costs
LESS than just doing nothing!  Self generated amortized cost of solar
electricity is about half the cost of the utilities.

Duh, its a no brainer...

Bob, Wb4APR
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[EVDL] EVLN: LG, Gov.ir to develop EV & EVSE for Khodro's Iranian market

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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2016/05/13/2016051301451.html
LG to Develop Electric Car for Iran
May 13, 2016

LG Group plans to work on an electric car specifically for the Iranian
market.

LG and the Iranian government recently signed a preliminary agreement for
the development, LG Corp. said. 

The agreement only lays out the issues in broad strokes and is to be
followed a proper contract later.

According to the deal, LG will develop 20 EVs for Iran's No. 1 automaker
Khodro by 2018 and set up charging stations in Tehran.

LG Electronics, LG Chem and LG Innotek will develop key parts, including
engines and batteries. LG CNS will handle the construction of charging
stations. Khodro will manufacture the vehicles. 

An LG Corp. staffer said, "We stayed in Iran despite international
sanctions, which appears to have helped us win the trust that led to the
agreement."
[© chosun.com]
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http://en.jknus.com/articles/3087/20160513/lg-group-iran-make-agreement-electric-car-development.htm
LG Group and Iran Make Agreement for Electric Car Development
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[EVDL] EVLN: Leaf Drifting> a sideways 'family EV' hero (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

% At the end of the Autocar video, their spokespersons sez what they learned
is to drift a Leaf EV, you need plastic rear tires, and do not crash %

http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-will-drift/
Nissan LEAF – Will It Drift? (video)
[20160512]  Jay Cole  ht2 offib

[video
https://youtu.be/qgFhranHs3E
Will it Drift: Nissan Leaf - Can emission zero be a sideways hero?
Autocar May 13, 2016


image  
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/nissan-leaf-drifting-viaautocar.jpg
Nissan LEAF...Drifting?
]

Ok, it is finally Friday, and it has been another long week of serious
plug-in vehicle news:

…from a Tesla Model S summon controversy to Nissan taking control of
Mitsubishi (and its PHEV program), or Nissan releasing its own Energy
Storage Solution using old LEAF batteries, to the VW Group putting out
another EV concept (at least we assumed that happened – doesn’t it every
week?).


Nissan LEAF…Drifting?
So we figured it was time to take a step back, and watch something to take
the edge off…like Autocar attempting to drift a Nissan LEAF.  Why not?

Says Autocar of the experiment:

“The Nissan Leaf is not rear-wheel drive. It does not have a massively
powerful turbocharged engine. It does not have a hydraulic handbrake and nor
is it inclined to smoke up its tyres at every available opportunity.

It is, in fact, Nissan’s family-friendly, front-wheel drive, flagship
electric car. As far as you could get from being a natural drift machine. 
So what the heck is it doing lining up alongside British Drift Championship
competitors?

Well, with a little help in the rear tyre department, we’ll try to answer
the question: will it drift?”

Enjoy!  Or don’t.  There is more serious EV business coming up shortly we
imagine.
[© 2016 Inside EVs]
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Plastic Tires Is All It Takes To Drift The Nissan Leaf
Along with the bigger battery pack, there's also …
May 14, 2016 ... Strapping a pair of plastic tires is the solution for some
silent oversteer action ...
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S8OM1G5-CMg/VzZUns1KgSI/h6o/yXHBk1pfBTQoTBZcEcvG3nUP_bXcE1wcACLcB/s1600/LeafDrift.jpg
...
[dated
https://youtu.be/3v-bRb93Ops
(Japanese>translate.google>English)
NISSAN LEAF NISMO RC demonstration run drift Hen Part 2
sinnkazama7775 May 25, 2013
It was conducted in Yokohama Central Town Festival "Y154"
NISSAN LEAF NISMO RC demonstration run
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[EVDL] EVLN: $20k Rattlesnake Electric Sport’s Zero-fxs powered Electric Go Karts r:40mi (v)

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http://news.boldride.com/2016/05/rattlesnake-electric-go-kart-specs/104381/
These Electric Go Karts are Changing the Game
13 May 2016  Zach Doell

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video
https://youtu.be/tXZamDtxTiI
Rattlesnake Electric Sport EV Karts | Translogic 199
Autoblog  Apr 29, 2016
Translogic's host Jonathon Buckley zips around Simraceway in Sonoma, CA in a
Rattlesnake Electric Sport EV kart, then catches up with team principle
Richard Hilleman.
]

In the past, if you wanted to go faster on four wheels, the recipe used to
include either losing weight or adding a bigger engine. More air, more fuel,
more ‘bang’, more speed. 

Now however, that’s not the only way. The evolution of electric vehicles
have spawned blisteringly quick electric road cars like the Tesla Model S,
as well as super-quick go karts like this sleek shifter kart, Rattlesnake
Electric Sport’s RS8 eKart [
http://rattlesnakeelectricsports.com/index.html
].

Though the company can trace its roots back only five years, already they’ve
had incredible success in go kart racing, and team principal Richard
Hilleman admits they’re technically the world’s winningest electric vehicle
racing team.

Thinking of picking one up for yourself? Check out what Autoblog’s [
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/28/rattlesnake-electric-sport-karts-translogic-199/
] Jonathon Buckley has to report about the speedy EV go karts.

“This thing is a weapon,” remarks Buckley, as he blasted the eKart around
Sonoma, California’s Simraceway. At its core is an electric motor (nicked
from a Zero Motorcycle) [
http://www.boldride.com/ride/2016/zero-fxs
] which supplies 55 horsepower and 65 lb.-ft. of torque to the rear wheels.
That may not seem like a lot, but according to Hilleman, it’s enough to
rocket the go kart to 60 mph in just four seconds and up to a top speed of
110 mph. Yikes.

The eKart is powered by a lithium-ion battery cell, which allots a 40 mile
driving range and full charging in about one to two hours. Although fast,
they aren’t what you’d call cheap. All-in you can expect to pay around
$20,000 for the full eKart kit and caboodle, which is claimed to cover three
years of worry-free racing. Hilleman says in five years of running the
company, they’ve never destroyed a motor.

Of course, the EV go kart isn’t for everyone, but it is now at least an
option… and a darn quick one at that.
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[EVDL] EVLN: GM Bolt EV Production Listed As Starting October 2016

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http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-enter-production-october-2016/
Chevrolet Bolt Start Of Production Set For October 2016?
[20160513]  Eric Loveday

[image]  Chevrolet Bolt Pre-Production Version Rolling Off Assembly Line
Back In April 2016

It’s a classic case of now you see it…now you don’t.

Fortunately, Hybrid Cars was able to capture the now you see it part, which
suggests that the Chevrolet Bolt electric car could enter production
starting in October 2016.

As Hybrid Cars points out, General Motors’ 2017 Fleet Guide initially listed
Start Of Regular Production (SORP) for the Bolt at Orion assembly as October
of this year (see image below) – exactly where it was expected.

[image]  Bolt Start Of Production Listed For October 2016

An updated 2017 Fleet Guide was released a day later with the SORP Oct 2016
line completely removed from the Bolt’s status.  A quick look at other
industry resources simply list a “Q4 2016” start date.

This October start of production date reveal would seem to (once again)
underline the validity of the original leaked disclosure from multiple
suppliers over a year ago (February 2015) that confirmed the Bolt EV would
indeed enter production (well before GM announced it), would be built in
Orion, Michigan (well before GM announced it), would have an Opel sister car
(also well before GM confirmed), would be built starting in October, and
that suppliers  were told to expect a volume of 25,000-30,000 units.

It would seem the only piece of original leaked info yet to be verified is
the 25-30k production run…but with so much else proven accurate at this
point, it is hard to imagine it is not.

Hybrid Cars reached out to Fred Ligouri of Chevrolet communications for
response on the matter. Here’s what he stated:

“We’re excited to bring the Bolt EV, the world’s first affordable,
long-range electric vehicle, to market. Our plan remains to begin production
in the fourth quarter of 2016. We look forward to providing our customers
the highest quality and best-in-segment performing electric vehicle.”

Q4 could mean as early as October, but Chevrolet was not willing to confirm
this.

When asked about the dealer ordering timeline, Ligouri responded:

“We’re leveraging the strength of our dealer network and the relationships
they have cultivated with their local customer base to manage the
anticipated high demand for Bolt EV.

“While distribution plans are not yet finalized, we want to first satisfy
demand in markets where EV acceptance is strongest.”
[© 2016 Inside EVs]
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GM Document Says 2017 Chevy Bolt Production Starts In October
May 12, 2016



http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1103922_2017-chevy-bolt-ev-sales-could-go-as-high-as-8-says-analyst
2017 Chevy Bolt EV sales could go as high as 80,000, says analyst
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[EVDL] Nissan's EUR1k subsidy, Gov.de & Tesla EV buyer incentives.de

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http://www.autocarpro.in/news-international/nissan-offers-german-ev-buyers-extra-euro-subsidy-19802
Nissan offers EV buyers in Germany extra 1,000 euro subsidy
May 12, 2016

Following the news that the German federal government has announced 4,000
euros (Rs 3.05 lakh) in bonuses for electric vehicle customers, Nissan has
raised the subsidy bar to 5,000 euros (Rs 3.82 lakh) for buyers of the Leaf
and e-NV200 models.
Thus prospective buyers in Germany can expect 5,000 euros in assistance when
they buy a new Nissan Leaf or e-NV200, representing an extra 2,000 euros in
savings when compared to a plug-in hybrid model.

The Leaf delivers 250km of driving range, more than any other pure electric
vehicle eligible for the scheme, and is available from 18,365 euros/Rs 14
lakh (plus battery rental).

Gareth Dunsmore, director of Electric Vehicles for Nissan Europe, said:
“This incentive marks out Nissan’s clear commitment to affordable,
mass-market, pure electric vehicles (EVs). We hope that the additional
incentives for pure EV adopters will encourage drivers to make the switch to
100 percent electric mobility from the get-go.
“Our commitment doesn’t stop there – since 2010, we have helped to fund an
extensive network of reliable CHAdeMo chargers. In fact, Nissan has
part-funded more than 3,100 compatible charging units across Europe and more
than 200 in Germany alone – available at service stations, dealerships and
across city centres. We’re thrilled to see that there will be an additional
200 million (Rs 1,528 crore) in investment from the German federal
government to support multi-standard infrastructure.”

The 4,000 Euro bonus is co-funded, with 50% provided by the manufacturer and
the German federal government matching the contribution. The news comes as
Nissan has announced sales of 16,916 electric cars in Europe for 2015-16, a
new annual record. The Leaf continues to lead the electric vehicle segment
globally.
[© Autocar Professional]



http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2016/May/Tesla-to-match-German-EV-incentives/0438025028
Tesla to match German EV incentives
12 May 2016  Alex Grant

[image]  Tesla is matching the German government's incentive scheme, from
which it is excluded due to a price limit

Tesla is matching the German government's incentive scheme, from which it is
excluded due to a price limit Tesla is matching the German government's
incentive scheme, from which it is excluded due to a price limit

Tesla is discounting the Model S in Germany to match recently-announced
government-backed electric vehicle incentives, claiming the scheme’s price
limit is directed against its model range.

In a statement on its website, Tesla said it was disappointed to have been
excluded from the scheme, which offers a €4,000 purchase incentive for
electric vehicles and €3,000 against plug-in hybrids up to a value of
€60,000, with funding split equally between manufacturers and the
government.

International manufacturers can sign up, but the Tesla Model S and
forthcoming Model X are the only fully electric vehicles which are not
eligible for the government incentives. However, Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz
and Porsche all offer plug-in hybrids which also do not qualify.

Tesla said the price limit was “arbitrary” and that it would offer its own
incentives, as the Model S and Model X replace vehicles in sectors with the
highest CO2 emissions. The company added that it will work with German
ministries to develop a scheme which does not benefit specific
manufacturers.
[© evfleetworld.co.uk]



http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/germany-ev-subsidies/
Germany giving 1 billion euros in electric vehicle subsidies
May 15, 2016 ... Money is split 50-50 between the public purse and auto
manufactures ...
...
http://insideevs.com/nissan-sees-record-peak-in-ev-interest-in-germany-after-introducing-incentives/
Nissan Sees Record Peak In EV Interest In Germany After Introducing
Incentives
[13 May 2016]
...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-premium-car-makers-fumble-response-to-electric-challenge-1463056344
Germany’s Premium Car Makers Fumble Response to Electric Challenge
May 12, 2016  BERLIN—Germany’s premium car manufacturers are struggling to
come up with a robust response to new competition from electric vehicle
startups such as Tesla ...




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

 I'll take your word for it that 30% is the number.
But my point was that even if you figure out a way to reduce CO2 to acceptable 
levels, there are other pollution factors that make cutting back on the use of 
ICEs important.
I don't disagree with your point that a 200 mile car should be sufficient for 
most people. Whether they will buy one or not is an open question. I own two of 
them, but everyone is different.

- Mark 

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 From: Larry Gales  To: Mark Abramowitz 
,Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
 CC: dovepa  Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 
Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper Date: 
5/16/16, 2:40 PM

 First, the CO2 produced by transportation is about 30%, not 14%, so it is a 
very significant factor.

2nd, a 200+ mile vehicle should be fully sufficient as your only car.  For 
98-99% of all your trips, the EV is more convenient, as you can wake up every 
morning with a fully charged car with virtually no effort.  And for a 500 mile 
trip the difference is this:  in a gas car, most people would normally make at 
least TWO 30 minute stops for food, or bathroom, or gas, or rest.  For the 200+ 
mile EV, you would make THREE such stops, combining 30 minute charging (to 80% 
full) with food/bathroom/rest.

So for 1-2% of your trips, the EV would be somewhat less convenient, but for 
98-99% the EV would be more convenient.  And 98-99% is better than 1-2%.


On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  
wrote:
 The need for zero emission vehicles has been around for significantly longer 
than efforts to reduce CO2 emissions.
 For many parts of the country (and world), local levels of air pollution have 
tremendous impacts on human health and the environment.
 If you believe that we can solve the CO2 problem by eliminating coal, and you 
think that it can be done in a reasonable amount of time, there still remains a 
urgent need for zero and near-zero emitting vehicles.
 
 - Mark
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  From: dovepa via EV  To: Peri Hartman via EV 
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her 
LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper Date: 5/13/16, 6:49 PM
 
 
 
 I don't see a need to eliminate the internal combustion engine. Most of the 
CO2 comes from burning coal. According to the EPA only 14% comes from 
transportation. All forms of transportation together road, rail, air and marine.
 
 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
  Original message From: Peri Hartman via EV 
 Date: 5/13/16  4:13 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mike Beem 
, EVDL Administrator , Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List  Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey 
defending her LiO2 (fluffy
   carbon) battery paper
 The range problem definitely does exist.  How are you going to get rid
 of ICE vehicles for long range travel if you can only go 100 miles or so
 per charge?  Even 200 miles.
 
 This has nothing to do with the vehicle you might use for everyday
 commuting and errands.  Yes, 100 miles is almost always plenty for that.
   And, yes, you can rent something if you want to go long range.
 
 But we're talking about getting ICE vehicles off the road.  That long
 range vehicle needs to go 300-400 miles on a charge to be practical.
 Some have to be built and there needs to be high wattage charging
 stations along the interstates and major highways.  And, another factor,
 if only a small percentage are built, economy of scale won't work and
 they will be quite expensive.
 
 Peri
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: "Mike Beem via EV" 
 To: "EVDL Administrator" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
 List" 
 Sent: 13-May-16 2:06:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy
 carbon) battery paper
 
 >>  They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
 >
 >>Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100
 >>miles of
 >range is plenty for almost anyone.
 >
 >Well stated, both of you! I definitely am ready for that 100 mile
 >range,
 >having over the years never had more than my current 40 mile range
 >pack.
 >However, it still does carry me for more than 95% of the miles I drive
 >most
 >months. I do have a 3/4 ton diesel pick up truck for pulling my dump
 >trailer, and hauling any any loads too heavy, large or messy for the EV
 >Escort, but with its roof rack I have carried ladders, lumber etc. for
 >much
 >of what I do; and the truck generally gets driven less than 500 mile
 >per
 >year, so its contribution to ICE pollution is as minimal as I can make
 >it.
 >Having now sold off or given away all of my remaining EV projects, I
 >know
 >that I am probably driving my last home made EV, but it still has 5 1/2
 >years to go to