Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Is wishy washy starting in on this group?

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719


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> Oh dear. Someone went and repealed the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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[EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
Oh dear. Someone went and repealed the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Jan Steinman
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[EVDL] Lawrence's 'SacraTomato' 90+mi trip: Leaf trip to Sacramento-CA ...

2016-08-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV


[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Leaf-trip-to-Sacramento-from-San-Francisco-tp4683478.html
Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco
]

For those curious about the Leaf term 'battery heat' used, see
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=7648

And a 'light (right) accelerator foot', brings to mind what Clare Bell
(Women's Racing Team) had often said in the past, 'Drive like there is an
egg under your foot', see:
http://www.changeyourcorner.com/articles/eggtrick.php
 ... imagine you have an egg taped under the toes of your right foot when
you drive ... without breaking the egg ...
...
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/travel/a32428/driving-mistakes/
 ... 7. You're applying too much pressure to the gas and brake pedals ... to
get the best [energy] economy " ... drive like you have an egg under your
foot." The more smoothly you accelerate and brake, the further your [energy]
will go ...
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_Bell#Biography
 ... Bell also became interested in electric vehicles. After converting a VW
beetle to electric with a conversion kit, she began building, racing,
repairing, designing, and racing electric cars ... As part of the Women's
Electric Racing Team, she competed in the Arizona Public Service utility
company's APS Solar and Electric 500 and APS Electrics electric vehicle
races, held in Phoenix, Arizona from 1993 to 1997 ...
...
http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=437
 ... one of the EV industry's most remarkable women ...


I am glad Lawrence posted his EV trip on the evdl. It reminds me of the all
the many evdl posts I made of my e-trips when I pushed my Blazer EV
conversion's range envelope. While Lawrence did not say, I am assuming his
90mi e-trip was on one charge. If so, I am not stating Lawrence's 90mi
e-trip did not happen, nor do I have doubts:
https://www.google.com/#q=%22range%22+Leaf+miles
Leaf range is 84 to 107 mi

http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
Nissan tool to estimate a trip's range,
Enter: San Francisco, CA 94110 & Sacramento, CA 95814
Gives: 89 miles

But after reading Lawrence's brief/terse post, I was left hungry for more
details (perhaps Lawrence will post more later).
So, the following it totally conjecture, and possibly just a brain-exercise,
so as to give a whiff of what Lawrence's Leaf-trip was like/about, etc.


Evdl old-timers know Lawrence is a musician (from his previous msg
trailers). Looking at his professional profile:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lawrence-rhodes-6a79419
 ... California Musical Theatre
March 1994 – Present (22 years 6 months) Sacramento, California Area
Woodwind musician as needed ...
[ (CMT) 1510 J Street, Sacramento, CA 95814]

So, I will run with him having a 'gig' (gigging) in Sac. as his
reason/purpose for the trip.
Using the traffic option, and setting it to have him leave at 11am for his
~2hr e-trip to Sac:
https://goo.gl/maps/miqC9kRimJ32
 traffic really was not that bad (he wisely missed the going-to-work or
coming-home traffic mess).

Setting the terrain option on that map, I see the only energy-eating
hills/mountains were between San Pablo and Cordelia, else most of his trip
was flat (not much gravity involved).

I have driven this route many years ago, but in an old technology (PbSO4)
50mi EV conversion, which required I charge along the way (I was not able to
reach Sac on one charge). My first try was a 50mph to conserve power (I was
driving a wind-pusher Blazer EV, which was no-way as low a Cd as a Leaf).
But later trips to Sac (I had done six), I found I could get away with
driving a little faster at 55mph which got less flying-middle-fingers in my
direction).


After 90+mi, Lawrence's Leaf EV is going to need a charge in old-town Sac.
So, manually peeking and poking (searching) plugshare.com for EVSE near
95814, I found several, but will run-with the following EVSE as where he
charged his Leaf because it is less than a mile walking distance from CMT:
http://www.plugshare.com/?location=19157
Park Tower Garage
Ports  4 EV Plug (J1772)s
Address  805 J St., Sacramento, CA, 95814
Phone  (916) 442-2217
Hours  Garage business hours; pay lot
Description   Enter from J St., one-way east. CS-40 - ClipperCreek updated
J1772 compliant equipment. paid $7 for weekend parking


So including those three location points (home, charging, destination) in
the map:
https://goo.gl/maps/zcF8tvberVA2
Lawrence's Leaf SF to 'SacraTomato' EV-trip
89mi


I'll also assume after his gig, he likely stayed overnight either with
family, friends or at nearby lodging:
https://www.google.com/#q=lodging+near+95814&rflfq=1&rlha=1&rlla=0&rllag=38580139,-121498747,746&tbm=lcl&tbs=ls:-1,lf_hd:-1,lf_maxhp:-1,lf_maxhpitems:75-100-125-200,lf_maxhpcur:USD,lf_msr:-1,lf_hc:-1,lf_ha:0,lf_haitems:767,lf:1,lf_ui:6&hotel_dates=2016-09-11,2016-09-12

Sadly, not too many of the lodging shown offered EVSE.
My assumption is Lawrence will return to his SF home via the same route (now
fighting a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 1939 Dodge pickup-truck-ice DIY reborn as an Electric (v)

2016-08-27 Thread Alan Brinkman via EV
Bruce,
Thank you. Reading about the 1939 Dodge pickup conversion to electric was fun.
Alan

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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I still don't get it. Even if the technology works, the energy comes 
from the car.


So, let's say our EV takes 250wh / mile from the battery at 50 mph on 
normal roadway. Now, with the piezo roadway, it takes 251wh / mile. But 
there are some losses converting that piezo compression to electricity 
so, by the time it reaches the grid let's say it's 80% of that or 0.8wh. 
Later, we need to recharge our EV and let's say that process is also 80% 
efficient. So to get that extra 1wh into the battery takes about 1.2wh.


So the net is it took 1.2wh to get 0.8wh of electricity. Wouldn't it be 
better just to stick with the normal roadway?


My numbers are just for example. If I have a flaw in the logic, please 
point it out.


Peri

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​​Maybe in SoCal the roads never get messed up because the weather is 
so

nice?

Here in NC our weather swings between -12°C and 40°C, and we get decent
rainfall all year, I think of potholes, and nasty dropped pieces of car 
and

truck parts, ladders and lumber, sagging shoulders, bermudagrass
infiltrating the pavement, etc., on one hand. And the uncountable 
millions
of wires to collect these electrons? Now buried just below the surface 
of a
roadway.  This is going to last how long before it degrades and has to 
be

repaired, and what does that take?

Even if it can be done, I doubt the real world, scaled up application 
works

well.  I am very doubtful.

Maybe someone will devise a fabric that contains piezo elements and
conductors, by some very automated, continuous process. There was a 
project

at NC State to make pipe insulation by some sort of non-woven textile
process that had thermocouples (a thermopile of them) in it that would 
make
power from the temperature gradient between the inner and outer 
surfaces.
It looked like a real trick to get the current out of it (resistance), 
and

how to connect to it, service it, and change/repair it when damaged.

This roadway/power plant is kind of like combining solar PV and solar
thermal in the same collector - yeah you can do it but the complication 
is

much greater and all you really get is PV running a little cooler, with
better efficiency, if you actually use the thermal to do that. You are 
far
better off having separate collectors on for moving electrons and the 
other

for moving heat.  The complication of putting them together negates the
added efficiency. You are far better off having a well built, simple,
durable road, and a solar farm beside it.

I prefer to see some of the real estate beside and in the medians of
roadways used for PV.

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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread Michael Ross via EV
​​Maybe in SoCal the roads never get messed up because the weather is so
nice?

Here in NC our weather swings between -12°C and 40°C, and we get decent
rainfall all year, I think of potholes, and nasty dropped pieces of car and
truck parts, ladders and lumber, sagging shoulders, bermudagrass
infiltrating the pavement, etc., on one hand. And the uncountable millions
of wires to collect these electrons? Now buried just below the surface of a
roadway.  This is going to last how long before it degrades and has to be
repaired, and what does that take?

Even if it can be done, I doubt the real world, scaled up application works
well.  I am very doubtful.

Maybe someone will devise a fabric that contains piezo elements and
conductors, by some very automated, continuous process. There was a project
at NC State to make pipe insulation by some sort of non-woven textile
process that had thermocouples (a thermopile of them) in it that would make
power from the temperature gradient between the inner and outer surfaces.
It looked like a real trick to get the current out of it (resistance), and
how to connect to it, service it, and change/repair it when damaged.

This roadway/power plant is kind of like combining solar PV and solar
thermal in the same collector - yeah you can do it but the complication is
much greater and all you really get is PV running a little cooler, with
better efficiency, if you actually use the thermal to do that. You are far
better off having separate collectors on for moving electrons and the other
for moving heat.  The complication of putting them together negates the
added efficiency. You are far better off having a well built, simple,
durable road, and a solar farm beside it.

I prefer to see some of the real estate beside and in the medians of
roadways used for PV.

-- 
To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.
Thomas A. Edison
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*Warren Buffet*

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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread via EV
First I have to explain that I am an Agile coach. My job is to teach companies 
and their people to treat EVERYTHING as an unproven hypothesis. Then the work 
is to either prove or disprove that hypothesis through conducting experiments. 
The experiments are to be as simple and as inexpensive as possible to yield 
valid results. The result of each experiment yields new data, and a new set of 
hypotheses. New experiments are then set up to either prove or disprove these. 
The process is repeated as needed until a clear strategic path forward is 
identified. Guessing and assumptions are no longer allowed to be used to 
determine decisions because they stifle innovation. 

Therefore, in this case I cannot dismiss the piezo approach until sufficient 
experiments are run that prove or disprove whether it represents a viable 
approach. 

> The movement of the Piezo elements is not
> instantaneous, in fact they will generate the most energy when they only 
> yield slowly to the force, such that the largest possible force over the 
> largest possible time can act on them. 

While this is optimal, it it a requirement? In other words, would the Piezo 
element still generate energy of it were forced to act more quickly? In other 
words, could there be an optimum reaction response that balances the energy 
generated while reducing the "uphill effect"? Just wondering... 

Also, wouldn't the speed of the vehicle significantly impact your example? The 
ratio to time to travel the slab relative to the response time of the Piezo 
would see to differ drastically between 15 mph rush hour traffic and 70 mph off 
peak traffic flow. If the response time were forced tom e a constant, some less 
that ideal response time would have to be selected based on average speed or 
some traffic flow/speed optimization. 
 
What about only placing the piezo elements at the far end of the concrete slab? 
And adjust the static angle of the slab to minimize "the uphill effect"? Each 
slab could have the far end higher than the near end yet the total would 
actually be level or even a very slight downhill. Of course, driving the wrong 
direction would be a very unpleasant experience. The city just ground down an 
entire road near my house because the soil expansion actually produced this 
effect. I avoided driving down that section until they fixed it because the 
ride was so unpleasant. 

The Piezo I saw demonstrated only had a very small range of motion, say less 
that 1/16" and could react nearly instantaneously by only compressing it 
between your fingers while generating enough energy to light a led. 

Put a set if these at the far end supporting a 30' slab of concrete. The rise 
would be 1/16" over 30'. That comes out to something like 0.00017 degrees of 
rise. Let's say a 4000 lb vehicle is on that slab. If the slab were perfectly 
level, all 4000 lbs would result in a pure downward force to deflect the Piezo 
element with no additional rolling resistance due to a rise. The force vector 
changes with the 0.00017 degree rise. Now 3999 lbs of force are available to 
deflect the Piezo element and 1 lb of force is wasted due to the rise. The 
difference in force vectors is more than 3 orders of magnitude! Off the top of 
my head, 3 orders of magnitude seems insignificant enough to dismiss as 
"noise". I would guess that friction in general and the rolling resistance of 
the tires are larger that that. I wonder what the drag of disk brakes is? I 
would be willing to wager that I could attach a rope to that vehicle and 
manually pull it against that load for an entire day. Again, experimen
 ts would need to be run to prove or disprove this, but being able to use 3999 
lbs to generate energy at the cost of only 1 lb seems like a pretty good trade 
off to me. Obviously not perpetual or free energy but awfully close. At least 
enough to warrant investigation through experimentation before dismissing the 
idea completely. 
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Gravity is caused by the distortion in the space time continuum. Mass distorts 
space time similar to a bowling ball placed on a mattress. If you place a 
tennis ball on the mattress it will roll towards the bowling ball because space 
time (i.e. The mattress) is warped. 
   Without a force acting upon it, an object will move in a straight line.  If 
you draw a line on a sheet of paper, and then twist or bend the paper, the line 
will no longer appear straight.  In the same way, the straight path of an 
object is bent when space and time is bent.  This explains why all objects fall 
at the same rate.  The gravity warps spacetime in a particular way, so the 
straight paths of all objects are bent in the same way near the Earth


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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV  wrote:
> 
> Since you seem to have more knowledge about this field than I do... please
> enlighten me (and the others on this list) - what is that resistance called 
> and
> how does it make objects crash into the ground. What are the losses?
> 
> Rush Dougherty
> Tucson AZ 85719
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jackinausti...@gmail.com [mailto:jackinausti...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:58 PM
>> To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in
> Burbank-
>> CA(?)
>> 
>> 
>>> I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity...
>>> and while the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the
>>> 'vehicle' back up to the same level, the rise, is more than the energy
> gained on the fall.
>> 
>> Best check your physics Rush. That same resistance to rising is what makes
> objects
>> crash into the ground. While there are losses, gravity isn't one of them.
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco

2016-08-27 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
The basic physics is valid and the other loses are not particularly 
relevant.


When the tire climbs onto a tile (or uncompressed portion of roadway), 
work is done to combat gravity. That work comes from the car's motor.


When the tile descends (or roadway compresses) energy is produced, this 
time coming from gravity. Only this time, the energy doesn't go back 
into the car's motor. It goes into the piezo and then becomes electrical 
energy.


So, yes, to produce piezo energy, it will come from the car. Again, the 
principal question is whether the piezo roadbed will have <= the 
"squishiness" of a traditional roadbed.


Peri

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EVs in Burbank-CA(?)



Force = mass * acceleration due to gravity
Work = force * distance

So the work required to raise and object a specified distance is  the 
same amount of work retrieved when that object is returned to its 
original location. If the object remains in the raised position, it 
contains potential energy.


Potential losses might be due to wind resistance, friction, rolling 
resistance etc. But the losses are not due to gravity. And, as Cor 
implied, these external losses are what prevent perpetual motion.





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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-27 Thread via EV
Force = mass * acceleration due to gravity 
Work = force * distance 

So the work required to raise and object a specified distance is  the same 
amount of work retrieved when that object is returned to its original location. 
If the object remains in the raised position, it contains potential energy. 

Potential losses might be due to wind resistance, friction, rolling resistance 
etc. But the losses are not due to gravity. And, as Cor implied, these external 
losses are what prevent perpetual motion. 




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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160827

2016-08-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1939-Dodge-pickup-ice-DIY-reborn-as-an-Electric-truck-v-td4683493.html
EVLN: 1939 Dodge pickup-ice DIY reborn as an Electric truck (v)
“There is a pretty steep learning curve to converting a vehicle to all
electric ... But it is worth it, the first time you drive your EV” ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-40k-Ian-Motion-Austin-Mini-conversion-EVs-aim-to-sell-30-yr-td4683494.html
EVLN: €40k Ian Motion Austin Mini conversion EVs aim to sell 30+/yr
The French start-up, Ian Motion, has set out to address this by offering a
different kind of electric car - one that has been converted from a
second-hand petrol car ... The future is looking ever brighter for the
rollout of electric cars ... "We really think our solution of existing
vehicle electrification (has a big part to play) ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-The-Quickest-Car-gt-a-4-Door-Electric-Family-Sedan-0-60mph-2-5s-td4683495.html
EVLN: The Quickest Car> a 4-Door Electric Family Sedan 0-60mph:2.5s
On a test drive of a Tesla Model S P90D last fall, I pulled up to a
stoplight on Manhattan's West Side Highway and glanced over to find a
McLaren 570 in the next ...

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/WA-commits-12-6M-to-V2G-amp-old-EV-pack-storage-gt-CTO-JB-s-views-td4683496.html
WA commits $12.6M to V2G& old-EV-pack storage> CTO JB's views
Snohomish Public Utility District has proposed a pilot to show how to
leverage batteries in electric vehicles to store and use renewable energy
...




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[EVDL] EVLN: 1939 Dodge pickup-truck-ice DIY reborn as an Electric (v)

2016-08-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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http://www.equipmentworld.com/this-1939-dodge-pickup-has-been-reborn-with-a-new-electric-heart-video/
This 1939 Dodge pickup has been reborn with a new electric heart (VIDEO)
August 26, 2016  Tom Quimby

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videos  dated
https://youtu.be/UtfctFmCWVg
1939 Dodge Electric Truck Part 2
alegatorlex  Feb 8, 2014
This video shows all of the machining I had to do, to create the coupler
that goes between the shaft of the motor and the flywheel. Next it shows the
machining I had to do to create the adapter plate which in turn is bolted to
the motor / flywheel assembly on one side, and to the transmission assembly
on the other side. Next, you take this assembly and lower it into your
vehicle, and you are well on your way to creating an electric vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idgdb--Ax84
1939 Dodge Electric Truck Part 1 - 10:47
Feb 1, 2014 - Uploaded by alegatorlex
In this document I will chronicle the conversion of my 1939 Dodge Brothers
Pickup Truck from a normal ...
]

Hmmm…what would happen if you take a 1939 Dodge pickup and convert into an
electric daily driver?

A whole lot of fun, according to Al Gajda, who after retiring from IBM
finally electrified the truck that had been sitting in his garage for nearly
40 years.

“I purchased the truck in New Hampshire in 1973 (or thereabout) for $250,”
Gajda writes on his YouTube page, alegatorlex. “Using our Chevy Suburban my
wife Mindy towed the truck home with me steering the truck. Once we got into
our subdivision I jump started the engine. It ran for a few minutes
producing a large cloud of blue smoke. That was the last time the engine
ran.”

No engine, no problem. Gajda, a self-educated engineer of sorts, bought an
electric motor from a company in California that specializes in electric
auto conversions and used it in place of the six-cylinder flathead,
according to Kentucky.com.

A thousand pounds of lithium-ion batteries in the bed provide about 100
miles of range and enough torque to get the truck moving out quickly from
any gear of its original 3-speed transmission! He’s gotten the truck up to
75mph and he said it would have gone faster, but he eased off the original
1939 Dodge accelerator pedal. Gajda, 76, loves driving the pickup while
running errands and dropping his granddaughter off at school in Kentucky.
The pickup is a hit at auto shows or even at local parking lots.

“If I park it at Lowe’s or Home Depot, there’ll be people looking at it when
I come back,” Gajda explained. “But I usually have to tell them it’s
electric.”

Gajda learned a lot about electric auto conversions on the internet and
along the way became a fan of EVTV.ME (Electric Vehicle Television).

“There is a pretty steep learning curve to converting a vehicle to all
electric,” Gajda writes on his YouTube site. “But it is worth it, the first
time you drive your EV down the street!!!”

Gajda offers plenty of advice and encouragement to EV builders through his
YouTube videos.
[© 2016 EQUIPMENT WORLD]



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http://gas2.org/2014/10/01/1939-dodge-truck-converted-into-ev/
1939 Dodge Truck Converted Into EV
Oct 1, 2014 - Self-taught electric engineer Al Gadja has committed what some
may consider to be historic car heresy, converting his 1939 Dodge truck into
...
...
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article44512482.html
Why is Lexington man's 1939 Dodge pickup so quiet? Its secret may surprise
you
Sep 27, 2014 - Some trucks rattle your windows when they pass. ... But even
newborns sleep in perfect peace when Gajda drives past in his 1939 Dodge
pickup.  Electrical vehicles are catching on in dealer showrooms today
as gasoline becomes ever more  Flames consume part of Lexington house,
damage others ...
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[video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-UfykwchvU
1939 Dodge Truck Electric Vehicle Update 004 - 13:38
Dec 13, 2013 - Uploaded by Alfred Gajda
I have converted a 1939 Dodge Brothers 1/2 ton pickup truck to be an
electric vehicle. This video details ...
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[EVDL] WA commits $12.6M to V2G& old-EV-pack storage> CTO JB's views

2016-08-27 Thread brucedp5 via EV


Tesla CTO JB Straubel On Why EVs Selling Electricity To The Grid Is ...
In an electric vehicle that has 200+ miles of range, you don't need as many
cycles as you do on a battery that's designed to charge and discharge every
single ...

http://www.utilitydive.com/news/washington-commits-126m-to-grid-modernization-effort/424867/
Washington commits $12.6M to grid modernization effort
August 22, 2016  Robert Walton
 
Dive Brief:
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) has committed $12.6 million in Clean Energy
Fund grants to five Washington state utilities for projects focused on
renewable integration and grid modernization.

The grants will fund projects proposed by Avista, Seattle City Light, Orcas
Power and Light, Snohomish County Public Utility District and Energy
Northwest. The state's funding will be matched by utilities and their
partners.

The projects include solar installations, battery storage and microgrids.
Avista's proposal would develop a “shared energy economy” allowing a wide
range of grid resources to be used for multiple purposes.

Dive Insight:
Washington state's grid modernization efforts drew praise from  U.S. Energy
Secretary Ernest Moniz, who was on hand in Seattle for the announcement.

“Gov. Inslee and the state of Washington continue to champion clean energy
innovation. Driving innovation is at the core of how our country maintains
its leadership in developing clean, low-carbon energy technologies,” Moniz
said.

Inslee and Moniz made the announcement last week at the Northwest Regional
Clean Energy Innovation Partnership Workshop. The event is jointly hosted by
the University of Washington and the Pacific Northwest National Lab. 

“With these awards, our leading utilities will demonstrate how to integrate
battery storage with solar energy and stand-alone energy systems, train the
workforce to build and maintain these systems, and lead the industry into
the clean energy future,” Inslee said.

While four of the utilities proposed more standard grid modernization
projects, Avista is planning to pilot a “shared energy economy." According
to the announcement, the project "allows various energy assets — from solar
panels and battery storage to traditional utility assets — to be shared for
multiple purposes, including system efficiency and grid resiliency. It will
demonstrate how the consumer and utility can each benefit."

“We know the future will look different as new technologies continue to
change the energy landscape," said Heather Rosentrater, Avista's vice
president of Energy Delivery. "Today, customers are buying, installing and
using distributed energy resources, and actually participating in the grid.
We are committed to ensuring our system will be flexible enough to meet the
changing expectations and future needs of consumers.”

Seattle City Light has proposed a solar-powered microgrid at a designated
emergency shelter, which will keep fire stations, community centers and
communication networks operating during an outage.

Orcas Power & Light, a cooperative utility serving 20 islands in the San
Juan archipelago, is planning to deploy a community solar system to extend
the life of the its underwater supply cable. The coop buys most of its power
from Bonneville Power Administration's hydro assets, and delivers it to the
islands through submerged cables. It serves about 15,000 meters.

Snohomish Public Utility District has proposed a pilot to show how to
leverage batteries in electric vehicles to store and use renewable energy.
The provider will combine battery storage, microgrid and solar technologies,
"connecting this integrated technology to the electric vehicle fleet."

And Energy Northwest will bring together its 28 utilities with labor leaders
at a local union, Quanta Services/Potelco and the UW Clean Energy Institute,
to create a "battery and solar competency training facility."
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http://cleantechnica.com/2016/08/22/vehicle-to-grid-used-ev-batteries-grid-storage/
Tesla CTO JB Straubel On Why EVs Selling Electricity To The Grid Is Not As
Swell As It Sounds
August 22nd, 2016 ... V2G & ... Reusing EV batteries for grid storage ...
jump straight to JB’s answers ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Tesla-CTO-JB-s-pack-tech-expertise-StanfordU-BS-energy-sys-MS-energy-engg-tp4683317.html
Tesla CTO JB's pack-tech expertise> StanfordU BS energy sys & MS energy engg
Aug 15 2016





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