Re: [EVDL] Fwd: seeking a third-party "portable" 120 Volt EVSE that plugs in more flush with the wall, similar to Tesla.

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Josh,

The Fiat chargers from the prior 500e sound like what you want. They can be
hung by two screws, and lifted off easily. The short cord has a 90 degree
plug into a 120 outlet. They will run on 240, and have a long car side
lead. Used on eBay. I never installed a permanent charger and was happy on
240.
Good luck.
Alan

On Tue, May 21, 2024, 9:39 AM Josh Landess via EV  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have one 120/240 EVSE that I bought from Rush years ago and which
> functions well.  However, I leave that in place at home and am
> considering buying a second one that I can carry in the car. The Kia EV6
> that I got does not seem to come with an "extension cord" and I got a
> quote yesterday on one (more than $500) so I'd like to explore some less
> expensive third party options.
>
> I've seen some Tesla EVSE units that hung from the 120 Volt wall
> sockets  in a way where they seemed to be more flush with the wall, and
> so the weight of the equipment appeared to be less of an issue as to the
> unit staying plugged in properly over a period of time.   Does anyone
> know of any other third party quality "portable" or "mobile" pieces of
> EV charging equipment that plug into 120 volt sockets and which plug in
> such that the plug is more flush with the wall?  Price and quality are
> both big factors here, since this is a "want" and not a "need".
>
> Josh
>
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Re: [EVDL] used fiat 500e

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Peri,
I was a tad negative about the Fiat 500e in my response. I was pretty happy
for 2.5 years. The dash would state a range of 90 miles when I would leave
for the day. In 70F weather it would travel 60 to 70 miles not going over
55 or 60 mph. In 100 to 115F weather with the AC on (like your 30F with the
heater on) it would travel 35 to 45 miles and keep above the 10% charge
turtle mode.
The 120 volt charger that comes with it is run at 240 volts in Europe. You
can build an adapter or change the cord end to run it at 240 volts. I
bought a used 240 volt charger that I never installed because the little
120 volt charger run at 240 was fast enough to charge the car fully
overnight, except for one or two times.
I almost bought a receiver hitch to install. I found some rims on
E-bay that fit and installed those, going up a tire size. The local tire
company quoted me a high price for the original size tires. In all
fairness, I did not search very hard for affordable tires. I found low cost
tires easily for the new rims. The navigation system is a unit that is
removable that drops into the top of the dash. It may not come with a used
vehicle, but can be purchased on E-bay. I did not take the time to get used
to it.
I was seriously considering a Nissan Leaf when at the last minute the Fiat
500e was available at a comparable price. I liked the looks of the Fiat,
the range numbers were higher, and I jumped. I think the Leaf with 4 doors
would work better for passengers. The Fiat can handle a lot of cargo with
the rear seats folded down, and two adults comfortably in the front.
Alan

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 7:18 AM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with the fiat 500e ? I'm looking at yet
> another option to replace our 2011 leaf. I don't have time to find
> replacement cells for the leaf and paying someone to do the whole job is
> probably $8-$10k, more than I want to spend on an old car. It looks like
> I could get a used 2017 or 2018 model for about $15k.
>
> My wife wants a small car and the 500e would be a great fit. It *should*
> have substantially better range than our old leaf but I want to hear
> from other people.
>
> - what 70F range do you get for city driving ? ...for highway driving ?
> - what 30F (with heat & defrost) range city ? highway ?
>
> Any significant concerns about the car ?
>
> Thanks,
> Peri
>
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Re: [EVDL] used fiat 500e

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Peri,

Run, don't walk away. The Fiat 500e has no parts availability and parts are
expensive. A $70 cooling pump on a Prius is $700 on the Fiat. And dealers
in Southern California and Arizona are dropping Fiat. I just sold my 2015.
Talk to a servicing dealer first before any purchase. The battery pack is
water cooled and not serviceable easily like the Leaf. The Leaf has more
units sold and therefore more interest in parts and repair. Sorry for being
negative, I really love electric vehicles. I put 30,000 miles on the Fiat
and did not purchase gas in 3 years. But I needed parts and computer help
to keep it going. The dealer wanted $2,400 to replace one of the two
cooling pumps. My wife is now saying no to future electric vehicles (but I
see a used golf cart in my future). Others will have better experience I am
sure.
Alan

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 7:18 AM Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with the fiat 500e ? I'm looking at yet
> another option to replace our 2011 leaf. I don't have time to find
> replacement cells for the leaf and paying someone to do the whole job is
> probably $8-$10k, more than I want to spend on an old car. It looks like
> I could get a used 2017 or 2018 model for about $15k.
>
> My wife wants a small car and the 500e would be a great fit. It *should*
> have substantially better range than our old leaf but I want to hear
> from other people.
>
> - what 70F range do you get for city driving ? ...for highway driving ?
> - what 30F (with heat & defrost) range city ? highway ?
>
> Any significant concerns about the car ?
>
> Thanks,
> Peri
>
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Re: [EVDL] an EV chuckle

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

The Fiat 500e that I drive has two coolant pumps, each about $600 or more
from the dealer. If you put in a $40 pump from another source, the monitor
lead is not there. Turtle mode some days, service electric vehicle
components warning not able to be cleared. Trailering to the dealer soon.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 2:14 PM fred via EV  wrote:

>
> My wife and I are working out the gremlins in one of our two 2013 Rav4EVs.
> The charger is going to be replaced soon (Thanksgiving?) but the traction
> coolant pump is the real gremlin. Do you know how stressed out one's spouse
> can get when the System Warning appears on the dash? Words fail me. As an
> aside, our long-gone Subaru station wagon had an ECS light, akin to the
> "check engine" light on many ICE vehicles. We determined later that it
> stands for "Excite Crazy Spouse."
> I digress.
> Today, her trip to work ended with turtle mode. The pump has been
> diagnosed six ways to Sunday and a replacement is going to arrive Saturday,
> fingers crossed. The pump isn't failing, but the sensors within are
> reporting that it is or that it has.
> She stopped the vehicle on a four lane roadway, raised median, no
> shoulders, raised curbs on all sides. Local deputy dawg appeared while we
> were engaging in cellular communications. With a "red and blues" escort,
> she made it to the safe haven of the airport off-site cell phone lot
> awaiting my arrival.
> She told me later that the officer suggested that she have the fuel
> filter, fuel pump and air filter checked for damage from the hurricane. A
> small chuckle. The Rav4EV might as well be invisible on the road as a
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Re: [EVDL] Semaconnect $2 per Kwh!

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Mark,

The hotel next to my work has free charging. But you have to be a customer,
and they don't have a restaurant. (So no low cost charging, unless you are
already staying there). My work was to have chargers on a new building, but
got dropped at the last phase. It's too bad, we have two Tesla's and an
electric Fiat. Lots of employees buying the high dollar Camaro's and
pickups. Tesla's would be an option for some.

Alan

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 5:23 PM Mark Hanson via EV  wrote:

> Hi folks
> I’m at a Enphase solar class in Richmond VA at a Best Western  and just
> looked at the Level 2 Semaconnect charging station that’s showing $120 for
> 60KWH !  Has anyone experienced that rate?  I guess it saw me coming.
> Should have charged at a Tesla fast charger for 28c per Kwh.
> Stay Charged (but not at a Semaconnect)
> Mark
>
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Re: [EVDL] What type of magic is this nut and where to get a tool for it?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Cor,
Kinmar makes a five lobe security nut / bolt head design and tool. Actually
several. Avoid the "permanent" type because it looks like your application
is removable. Also, I had trouble viewing the picture clearly. The Kinmar
lobes are a little directional, yours look more even or regular, I don't
know the term. The Kinmar tools are closely guarded, you have to purchase
nuts or bolts along with the tool, and/or call in to state your usage /
ownership of such security fasteners. They are available in m5 through m12.
Please double check as they are expensive.
Make it a great day!
Alan

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:36 AM John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> On Tue Nov 16 02:29:30 PST 2021 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >Here two pics of the battery box with the weird half-dome nuts on the
> >cell interconnects:
> >https://flic.kr/p/2mK3nUh
> >https://flic.kr/p/2mKc155
>
> Wow, those are WEIRD.
>
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Re: [EVDL] grabby breakes 2012

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello List,
It's winter time. A little moisture on the brake discs will make them
grabby. After a few stops, heat, it should smooth out.
Alan

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 2:22 PM Jay Summet via EV  wrote:

> Normally I'd say rust on the rotors, which causes a grabby break feel at
> low speeds, but if they look smooth that's probably not it.
>
> It could also be a degraded battery, I believe that regen is limited or
> cuts out after your battery degrades past a certain level, so that may
> give a grabby feel.
>
> Jay
>
> On 11/2/21 16:38, redscooter via EV wrote:
> >   any one know why this is happening ?   60k miles. break pads very
> smooth
> > .
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Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

The Nissan Leaf in Japan has been able to supply power for some time now.
In the US, standards are being worked on for safety. The Wallbox Quasar is
almost ready for market for vehicles with DC output connections.

I would like a vehicle to take camping or park at a cabin where power is
not available, to avoid thinking about a generator. My son in law is
getting into solar, that may be the ticket.

Alan

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 1:34 PM Robert Bruninga via EV 
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> > EV owners should consider encouraging people to demonstrate how
> > any EV or plugin can be used to power one's house critical needs during
> > a power outage for days or a week.  This is a real selling point for EV's
> > that has not been mentioned for ten years of EV's.  But finally the
> > Ford F150 Lightening is including it in their advertising.
> >
> > Please see the photo of our National Drive Electric demo last weekend
> > of home power at: http://aprs.org/FrankenVolt.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bob Bruninga, PE,
> > Author http://aprs.org/Energy-Choices.html
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Re: [EVDL] maybe convert odyssey ?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Peri,
At first I thought you meant the Odyssey 250cc off road atv by Honda. You
have a minivan. What about getting a newer Nissan Leaf and installing a tow
hitch. Then purchase a light enclosed or open utility trailer? Not optimal
but?
Alan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 9:27 AM Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:

> I need to take a serious look at converting my 2000 honda odyssey. Every
> year I throw a little more money into repairs hoping that a suitable EV
> replacement will come on the market. So far, nothing that meets my
> needs.
>
> I think I am going to have to replace most of the exhaust system, which
> could cost a couple $k. Honestly, that's still the cheapest path, but
> something like that occurs every year. That plus miscellaneous other
> maintenance expenses plus gas, I wonder if I come out ahead, over some
> years, converting it. I hate throwing more money into something that
> still uses gas.
>
> Here are a few questions on my mind, and surely they will expose more :)
>
> - what are the dims of the tesla model 3 82kWh battery ?
> - what is its cost, salvaged (but with near new capacity) ?
> - what is the cost of other components I need to salvage - motor,
> inverter, BMS, charger ... ?
> - what computer support is needed for the motor, inverter, BMS, charger
> ?
> - is anyone willing to do the work ? for what cost ?
>
> I suspect this car is old enough that its existing engine related
> computers can be removed. There are some smarts in the window and
> ventilation control, but they might operate without any central
> computer.
>
> Peri
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Lead Acid Replacement

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Michael,
Steve Clunn of Green Sheds Conversions, Florida, uses Leaf batteries, air
cooled, 2013 and newer are better. He is on TicTok, this list too I think.
He does a lot of builds and repairs. Years of experience.
Alan

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 11:54 AM Michael A. Radtke via EV 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> OK, I've been searching this list, and frankly I'm overwhelmed.  So,
> I'm going to state my information and hope that you folks won't be too
> upset for my taking up the bandwidth.
>
> I have a 1979 Jet ElectraVan daily driver.  I have been replacing the
> lead acid batteries from time to time for years and since the pack has
> failed again it is now time to move to lithiums.  Yes, I am a member of
> the ev60...@listserv.tcu.edu mail list.
>
> Some basic information:
>
>   Pack: 102V, 17 X 6V @ 125Ah, ~12KWh
> Controller: 144V @ 500A Open Revolt
>  Motor: Series wound Ge 20Hp 90V
>SOC: Proprietary original analog based on voltage
>BMS: None.  Balanced by overcharge
>Charger: Original Leslie transformer based
>
> I need to change the pack, BMS, charger, and SOC indicator.  Since this
> is an old unrestored car, I would like to keep the upgrade as simple
> and close to original as possible.  In other words, I really don't want
> the car controlled by phone apps.  If I have a cell failure, I don't
> need to immediately know which cell, I can open the battery box and
> look for it.  I have electronic and microprocessor experience so I
> don't mind building some things.  Of course, I would be happy with
> increased range, and lighter weight as well.
>
> Probably the first thing I need to look at are the alternatives for the
> pack.  Reclaimed commercial EV packs, or new cells?  What are the
> cooling considerations?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $70M help$ workhorse.com ramp up e-stepvan production

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello EVDL,

When / if these electric delivery vans come up on the used market, I would
be interested. I think they are competitive because with a prior model,
"their cost had come down to become comparable to conventionally fueled
trucks without any subsidies." I would take a serious look at that if I
were a fleet buyer for a company.

Make it a great day,

Alan

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:28 AM evln via EV  wrote:

>
>
>
> https://www.dcvelocity.com/articles/46441-workhorse-lands-70-million-to-ramp-up-production-of-electric-last-mile-delivery-vehicles
> Workhorse lands $70 million to ramp up production of electric last-mile
> delivery vehicles
> July 1, 2020 ... has secured $70 million in financial backing and plans to
> ramp up production ... previously provided vehicles for customers such as
> delivery giant UPS ... (C Series vans left the factory in June for
> delivery)
> ...
> https://twitter.com/Workhorse_Group/status/1278358379497426946
>
>
> +
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Best-Leaf-tires-tp4697985p4697988.html
>  (best Leaf EV tires)
>
>
>
>
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> https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html
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[EVDL] Fwd: Electric Truck Cement Mixer

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Liebherr, Designwerk to Unveil Electric Truck Mixer
Liebherr and Designwerk have developed an emissions-free, electric mixer
truck for transporting concrete.
May 12, 2020
https://bit.ly/2Vj9cD8
In 2016 Liebherr sold their 90,000 truck based cement mixer. They operate
worldwide, so their start with this technology could be a good first step.
They also work with a lot of ICE equipment so there are hints of developing
those types of fuels as well. I would like to see one day an electric
garbage truck for metropolitan areas (short range needed) that is silent,
clean and efficient. Wouldn't it be great to see a refuse company deadening
the sound from bins and trash cans because the truck is so silent. Paded
pickup arms to stop the noise. Off topic, I'm getting old, etc. etc.
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[EVDL] Electric Truck Cement Mixer

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Liebherr, Designwerk to Unveil Electric Truck Mixer
Liebherr and Designwerk have developed an emissions-free, electric mixer
truck for transporting concrete.
May 12, 2020
shorturl.at/hoqHU
In 2016 Liebherr sold their 90,000 truck based cement mixer. They operate
worldwide, so their start with this technology could be a good first step.
They also work with a lot of ICE equipment so there are hints of developing
those types of fuels as well. I would like to see one day an electric
garbage truck for metropolitan areas (short range needed) that is silent,
clean and efficient. Wouldn't it be great to see a refuse company deadening
the sound from bins and trash cans because the truck is so silent. Paded
pickup arms to stop the noise. Off topic, I'm getting old, etc. etc.
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla-haters use civil-unrest 2rally2 destroy-Superchargers

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello everyone,

Tesla chargers for the home are pretty reasonable in price. If I had safe
parking around my home (I do not) and shade (it gets super hot here in the
Summer), I would install both a Tesla charger and a regular charger, or
maybe just plenty of 240 volt outlets and travelers could BYOC (bring your
own charger). Yes, today you have to have a few $$ to own a Tesla. Used
Teslas will come down in price. Maybe the charging stations will be one day
usable by more cars with a plan to pay for use. Maybe VolksWagon (the
people car) will pattern a super affordable electric car after the Tesla,
and we'll all benefit. Or, maybe Tesla will have to put security cameras
and a chain link fence around all their stations. To keep this on topic, I
bought a used Fiat 500e, and started to research public charging. There are
very few in my area. I bought the parts to make an adapter from Tesla to
J1997. I read a bunch. Luckily I realized that the Supercharger at the Mall
was high voltage DC, my car takes 120 or 240 AC only. I could have used a
Tesla home charger (AC) to power the adapter. I have not finished the
adapter yet. Also, it may not be ok to use Tesla power at the Mall if you
have not purchased a Tesla. Please delete this post if it is off topic.

Stay safe,
Alan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:44 AM evln via EV  wrote:

>
>
> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-haters-destroy-superchargers-riots/
> Tesla haters rally to destroy Superchargers amid civil unrest
> May 31, 2020 ... There is absolutely nothing amusing about the civil unrest
> that is ongoing today. With sections of several cities burning and more and
> more people being injured due to the riots, today is a time to be as
> helpful
> as possible. And sometimes, one of the best ways to help out is to just
> keep
> one’s mouth shut. This is especially true considering that Superchargers
> are
> incredibly important for Tesla owners, as they provide a quick way to
> recharge vehicles ...
>
> https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/tesla-supercharger-1.jpg
> ...
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Tesla+haters
>
>
> +
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/after-byd-han-the-blade-battery-will-be-put-in-the-song-plus-ev-suv/ar-BB145Wp1
> After BYD Han, The Blade Battery Will Be Put In The Song Plus EV SUV
>  5/14/2020 ... It uses cheaper chemistry, below the $100/kWh which is the
> goal of all the electric car manufacturers. That’s lithium iron phosphate
> (LFP), which also promises to be safer than lithium-ions ...
> https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB145RrJ.img
> ...
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-BYD-Han-160Wh-kg-LFP-Cell-to-Pack-tech-cn-EV-r-epa-426km-0-100kph-3-9s-tp4697326.html
>
>
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Rear Diff IRS | Direct Drive

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Forrest,

A 28.7" tall tire has a circumference of PI * 28.7 or 3.17*28.7 or 90.98"
or 7.58 feet.
3,000 motor rpm *1 drive shaft revolution / 3.27 rear axle revolutions =
917.43 rpm
917.43 rpm * 7.58 feet circumference of tire = 6,954 feet / minute * 1 mile
/ 5,280 feet = 1.317 miles / minute
* 60 minutes / hour = 79.02 miles per hour.

At 3,000 rpm, with no transmission, or the transmission in high gear (1:1
ratio) the 3.27 rear end will spin at 917.43 rpm making a 28.7" tall tire
run 79.02 miles per hour.

To get the most acceleration and usable speed from the setup, you should
find the maximum safe rpm of the motor, and gear the vehicle just under
that rpm by a safe margin, at a maximum speed that you will not exceed.
Some conversions use second or third gear to get the motor rpm's up. You
could use a shorter tire. One drag racer went to a smaller diameter DC
motor that could spin faster, and then used two motors.

I hope this helps,

Alan

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM forrest.whitmore via EV 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've read through everything I could find on rear diff setups, however,
> most
> have been using motors with low RPM capabilities, along with being quite
> dated (2008).
>
> The following are the current specifications for my project:
>
> *Motor*
> Max. RPM: 1
> Peak power (kW): 170
> Peak power (Nm): 250
>
> *Rear Diff IRS*
> Ratio: 3.27
>
> The motor efficiency is at the higher end of its performance curve.
>
> That being said, if the vehicle is traveling approximately 80 MPH and the
> wheel is spinning at 3000 RPM with 28.7" tires, where does that leave the
> motor's RPM? Would it be the wheel RPM /multiplied /by the diff ratio? 3000
> * 3.27 = 9810 RPM? Or would it be the wheel RPM /divided /by the diff
> ratio?
> 3000 / 3.27 = 917 RPM
>
> I'm trying to verify where my motor's RPM would reside along its respective
> curve.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Forrest Walker Whitmore
>
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] buying well used for dealer

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Ken,
What State are you in?
Maybe try Craigslist.
Auto auctions if you have a dealers license or a friend with one.
Alan

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>   How do I find well  used leafs, I found good used packs an want to find
> one and replace its pack?
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Carvana's 8story glass Leaf EV vending-machine building in Ontario-CA

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bruce,
Thank you for the news on Carvana. I am happy with the used Fiat 500e I
purchased from them and financed with business partner Bridgecrest. The
vehicle's condition and performance will determine if a customer is happy.
I am close to setting up 240 volt charging that should make the car a tad
more useful. And I will get to a dealer soon and address the fidgety nature
of the computer, maybe the heat, contactors, software update needed, etc.
is giving an intermittent problem code. Some days are fine, sometimes
-check drive train - is the warning.
Alan

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 3:37 AM brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
>
> https://www.dailybulletin.com/2019/09/06/what-is-that-tower-next-to-the-10-freeway-in-ontario-a-car-vending-machine-of-course/
> What is that tower next to the 10 Freeway in Ontario? A car vending
> machine,
> of course
> September 6, 2019  Steve Scauzillo
>
> [images
>
> https://www.dailybulletin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/IDB-L-CARVENDING-0906-05-WL.jpg
>
>
> https://www.dailybulletin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/IDB-L-CARVENDING-0906-06-WL.jpg
>
>
> https://www.dailybulletin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/IDB-L-CARVENDING-0906-03-WL-1.jpg
> Carvana, an 8-story glass car vending machine, as seen in Ontario Friday
> Sept. 6, 2019, is the companys second facility in California, the other is
> located in Westminster. Carvana has approximately 50,000 used vehicles
> available online which can be shipped to any location. (Photo by Will
> Lester, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin/SCNG)
> ]
>
> Online sales site opens vehicle-delivery tower
>
> Vending machines typically dispense coffee, soft drinks, chips, candy — and
> some at airports can drop a smart phone or a pair of earbuds.
>
> Now, an e-commerce car company based in Phoenix has super-sized the
> concept,
> taking it to a whole new level.
>
> On Friday, Sept. 6, Carvana unveiled a car vending machine in Ontario, the
> first one in the Inland Empire and the second in California. That’s right,
> a
> machine that spits out automobiles.
>
> [image]  Carvana employees Amy OÕHara demonstrate how a purchased vehicle
> is
> lowered to the ground floor in Ontario Friday Sept. 6, 2019. The 8-story
> glass outlet is the companys second car vending machine in California, the
> other is located in Westminster. Carvana has approximately 50,000 used
> vehicles available online which can be shipped to any location. (Photo by
> Will Lester, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin/SCNG)
>
> This gleaming glass tower that stands eight stories tall opened for
> business
> Friday, a week after the grand opening of the one in Westminster off the
> 405
> Freeway. The Ontario edifice looms over the busy eastbound 10 Freeway just
> west of the 15 Freeway. As drivers gazed up at the magic machine loaded
> with
> 27 cars, they wouldn’t be able to exit and buy one. The cars are reserved
> for those who’ve already pressed “buy” on their computer or mobile device.
>
> “Well, those cars driving by can see the cars in the tower but all of the
> vehicles will already be spoken for,” said Amy O’Hara, associate director
> of
> communications for Carvana, during a vending machine demonstration on
> Friday, Sept. 6.
>
> Car buyers don’t show up with rolls of quarters. Carvana requires shoppers
> to pore through the approximately 15,000 used cars for sale pictured on its
> website (carvana.com), where the customer buys a car sight unseen. The
> customer meets a Carvana employee at the nearest vending machine at an
> appointed time. The rest is like a delivery side show that puts an
> exclamation point on this non-traditional way of buying a car.
>
> “The customer advocate will hand you a commemorative coin that is about the
> size of a hockey puck. You drop the coin in the slot. A lift will go up in
> the tower and grab your vehicle and bring it down into a delivery bay,”
> O’Hara explained.
>
> The customer can drive the car for up to seven days. If he doesn’t like it,
> he can return it, she said, although mileage restrictions apply. Buyers get
> a 100-day warranty.
>
> When O’Hara dropped a coin into the machine’s lighted pedestal, the
> hydraulic lift found a blue Subaru WRX, put the hooks into the elevated
> cargo bay and pulled it into the center, then lowered it down to the ground
> floor. The demo was repeated for the red, 2017 Nissan Leaf, an electric
> vehicle.
>
> “It is fun, memorable, unique,” O’Hara said. “The other option is to have
> your car delivered to your home. You can have the bragging rights to say
> you
> bought your car from a vending machine.”
>
> Online car-buying is a growing business. Carvana, which started in 2012 and
> went public in 2017, is one of more than a dozen similar companies. Using
> the symbol CVNA, stock is traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Carvana
> joins a host of other online companies such as cars.com, cargurus.com,
> ebaymotors.com, vroom.com, carsoup.com and others, including CarMax, which
> has both online and physical sites.
>
> 

Re: [EVDL] LEAF 30 kWh battery degradation

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Anne,
I had been looking for a 2013 or newer Leaf because of the improved battery
chemistry to handle hot climates. I ended up with a Fiat 500e with liquid
cooling. If you live in a cool climate, I wouldn't worry the Nissan Leaf
battery. My Fiat is annoying on a hot day and you are charging or driving
without the AC on and the cooling fan sounds like a jet engine under the
hood. It must help the batteries stay cooler. The advantage of the Leaf is
in the higher number of units sold and the simpler battery setup. More
parts and expertise available, and more people can address a battery issue,
not just a factory trained mechanic. I love driving the Fiat, but I worry
down the road about battery servicing and repairs. My wife ended up with a
used Fiat 500x gas car, both Fiats seem quirky to me, sold in low numbers
in the US. Both seem to have computer / program glitches.
Alan

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> Hello!
>
> I'm reading up to prepare for my family's first jump into EVs.  It seems
> that a bunch of 2016 LEAFs are coming off lease right now and hitting the
> sale market, but this article about their battery life gave me pause. (I
> searched the archives for the URL and didn't see that anyone had posted it
> before, but I'll keep looking.) What do you all think of this issue?
>
>
> https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116020_nissan-leaf-30-kwh-battery-decline-3-times-that-of-earlier-electric-cars-study
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [EVDL] Dual voltage EVSE?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bob,

The EVSE you are looking at lists: Rated current & voltage: 120v-220v / 16A. I 
would assume that it will signal the electric vehicle it plugs into that it can 
supply a maximum of 16 Amps at 120v when plugged into 120v and 240v when 
plugged into 240v.

However, a simple description of an EVSE says: Using two-way communication 
between the charger and car, the correct charging current is set based on the 
maximum current the charger can provide as well as the maximum current the car 
can receive.

Maybe it is just the current that is communicated, and the car's charger 
accepts 120 to 220 volts, and keeps the current used at 16 Amps or below, 
assuming the vehicle being charged can accept 16 Amps.

Someone more knowledgeable please chime in now...

I bought a used EVSE to handle 30 Amps at 220v, but it is a large, heavy 
cabinet, and I am second guessing the purchase. It is still sitting, waiting 
for me to attach it to a pole. I have most of the wiring ready. My 120v 16A 
charger is working fine for a daily use of 15 to 30 miles. 220v at 16A would be 
a better next step for me.

Alan

-Original Message-
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^Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 1:40 PM
^To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
^Cc: Robert Bruninga ; ev...@yahoogroups.com
^Subject: [EVDL] Dual voltage EVSE?^

^Amazon has this dual voltage EVSE ($189) that includes the adapter to 240 V 20 
amp plug.

https://www.amazon.com/BougeRV-Portable-Electric-Charging-Compatible/dp/B07BM1XT4Q/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dual+voltage+evse=1559162151=gateway=8-1



^Does anyone know if these things signal 12 amps at both voltages (it doesn't 
know what it is plugged into, though it could easily sense the voltage and 
switch).

^Or does it do 16 amps at either voltage.  This would not be good for 15amp 
general purpose use.

^Inquiring minds... etc

^Bob, Wb4APR
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla wanted

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Mark,
Carvana has 19 Tesla S and 3 models for sale, $33,000 to just under $80,000. 
You can also look at their "pending sale" cars and have them e-mail you if a 
car becomes available, they often do. I bought a Fiat 500e from them about 
three weeks ago and still get e-mails that a car I was interested in is once 
again available. I have no financial interest in Carvana and acknowledge that 
some customers report a less than satisfying experience, although I am all 
smiles, maybe it is just my first EV grin.
Alan

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On Jan 14, 2019 7:09 PM, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV  wrote:
My wife and I are going to take the plunge and are looking for a Tesla S or 3.  
We live in Virginia but would travel as needed for a good deal.   If anyone 
knows of any for sale, let me know.  We have been scouring the web looking for 
the right car.  We are looking for 90- 100 kWh

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Re: [EVDL] Fiat 500e

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Danny,

Thank you for the information on the Scuderia-E modifications to the Fiat 500e. 
It gives me some ideas on adding a DC fast charging port. I have found a used 
240 volt AC 30 amp level 2 charger that will make the car more useful. My wife 
and I did a bunch of shopping yesterday and filled the hatch and back seat with 
groceries and supplies. I will have to remember to put the rear seats down for 
easier loading. While it is a very small car, the long front doors, high roof, 
adjustable height seat, and front cabin room make entry and exit better than 
some larger cars we have owned.

Make it a great electric powered day!

Alan

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[EVDL] Fiat 500e

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello EVDL,

I finally took the plunge and bought a used 2015 Fiat 500e from Carvana. The 
car was low mileage and very clean. The 120 volt EVSE had a wall plug that was 
very damaged from excess heat over time, but only apparent upon close 
inspection. I changed the plug first thing, and had to remove about five inches 
of heat damaged cord. Many of my home outlets showed faults on the electric 
supply unit. One inside the kitchen checked out well, and an outlet by the pump 
house was wired well. I will add a 240 volt outlet and stronger charger soon.
Today was the first day parking the gas truck and going electric. Very 
different, quiet, smooth ride.
Next year new offices at work will include public charging.
In our county there is one Tesla charging station, one Nissan dealership J1772 
working hours only, one Denny's 120 volt outlet, a few campgrounds with $10 per 
2 hours 30 and 50 amp service with use of facilities, one home with J1772 to 
share but please call first and one home with 120 volt outlet to share. We 
mostly see Teslas passing through.
What I read about Carvana they can be hit or miss. My experience will turn out 
well because I was able to repair the supply cord. The car was super clean.
Alan

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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

I read a few posts but not the whole thread, but had to say less than 2 cents 
worth...

My son and I were bored out of our minds at a mall in San Diego, California, 
waiting for several hours for the wife and daughter who were in the Apple 
store

We eventually found a Tesla store and googled over the Tesla Model X the 
fit and finish.. this model had six seats, the middle two slid forward to 
easily enter the rear most 2 seats. gull wing doors for the 
passengers front trunk that maybe would hold two shoe 
boxes. price unknown - we did not ask. I see Tesla's on the freeway and 
you can tell the build quality looking from the next lane over at 70 miles per 
hour and I have old eyes.

Do I wish they were affordable? Yes. Are they affordable to me? No. Are they 
quality? Cutting edge? Our home town mall half way between San Diego and Tucson 
Arizona has a Tesla charging station. I bet there are no local Teslas here.

When I get good and ready to buy an Electric car I will get a used Nissan Leaf 
because of my price range. However, Tesla has made a great stand for Electric 
Vehicles. They did not turn their back on them like Chevrolet with the EV1.

Bob Rice would like the Tesla, but he would have some self-invented words to 
describe the price, the sheer number of batteries, the computer system not 
repairable by owners, the sales lot being inside a mall, the chargers not 
available to the public, the sheeple who buy them (sorry for that).

Make it a battery powered electric day!
Alan




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Re: [EVDL] John Wayland on Netflix?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Lawrence,

On Netflix look for the series "Fastest Car". Season 1 Episode 7 is titled 
"Electric vs. Gas".

I am a fan of John Wayland, Plasma Boy Racing, White Zombie, Blue Meanie, the 
Datsun mini truck "Baby Blue", and other various electric vehicles he has built.

However, Netflix could have done a much better job with Electric vs. Gas. There 
is a lot of material to watch to get to the electric portions. And, the White 
Zombie has a mechanical problem under full acceleration causing two of the four 
vehicles drag racing to crash.

I am so relieved that no one was hurt. 

Two cars were damaged in the crash. That is a bummer.
The episode, from an EV point of view, was off.

Time will heal, we have setbacks, we endure, we move on. 

Episode 7 has portions that people with varied interests will like. Portions. 
If you are interested indiesel trucks, turbocharging, nitrous, rotary 
engines, nostalgia, rock crawling, commercial real estate, racing technology, 
Hollywood, Lamborghini, comic book characters, drag racing history

I too had missed this episode. I watched parts of it the other day.

Alan




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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:29 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
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Subject: [EVDL] John Wayland on Netflix?

John Wayland on Netflix? Filming?  News to me.  Anyone have info?  I'd love to 
watch it.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Prius pickup anyone?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

David,
Make sure the end of the link says "html" as the last l went on to another 
line. When I added an l to the link it worked.

Alan

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On Jan 7, 2018 9:51 PM, David Chapman via EV  wrote:
Nothing at that link Cor

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 10:03 PM, Cor van de Water via EV 
 wrote:


 David,
You mean a rear half 3rd gen Prius like this one asking $1000
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/d/toyota-prius-gen-3/6436699404.htm
l
Cor.

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via EV
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 8:58 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: David Chapman
Subject: [EVDL] Prius pickup anyone?

I have a 2014 Prius hatchback that ended up the creme filling in a
California freeway Oreo, IE: it got hit hard in the rear and driven into
the vehicle in front. Looks like the insurance company is going to total
it as the right rear quarter panel was driven forward enough to make the
right rear door stick and the rear panel in front of the bumper is
toast. Rear damage otherwise is bolt on stuff like bumper and right tail
light. Front damage is mostly just the bumper cover, radiator and core
support. No airbag deployment. Car was in beautiful condition and only
has 35K on it and still runs and drives fine. Depending on what the
insurance company wants for the buy back I was thinking of fixing it but
while looking at it the thought crossed my mind that it might be cool
just to lop off the back behind the front doors and make a light duty
pickup out of it. Anyone else done anything like this and might have
suggestions as to what kind of a little mini truck bed might work? Or
suggestion  s where I might source crash parts for this mess? Rock Auto
has the radiator and the bumper bits but not much for the rear panels I
would need if I fix it back to original. Dach.
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Re: [EVDL] Lynch motor

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Andrew,

I read your question too fast and thought of wind powered generator. The  below 
response was aimed at wind power.

The Lynch is a quality motor. Agni, PMG, ETEK, there are several good makers of 
a similar motor. I was going to mention to go with a brushed motor for 
simplicity, but researched three phase motors with charge controllers or 
rectifiers to produce DC power.

Then I thought about one wire car alternators. There is a company, WindBlue 
Power that takes new parts for an alternator and winds them with thinner wire, 
but more of it to increase the production at low RPM, and puts in strong 
magnets as well. They sell kits at a reasonable price.
http://www.windbluepower.com/

I have no connection to this company.

Be safe!

Alan

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Subject: [EVDL] Lynch motor

What are peoples views on using a Lynch motor as a generator. Im looking for 
something compact hence my preference for a Lynch pancake unless anyone can 
recommend anything better.
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Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

On 2 May 2017 at 11:58, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

>> And, if Tesla suspects any foul play, they can instantly disable a 
>> Tesla ...

>This, and the creepy constant monitoring, are the main reasons I will never 
>buy a Tesla.  NEVER.  

>You don't ever really own your Tesla, you're just borrowing it from your dad 
>Elon.

>It's a darn shame.  The Tesla is a great accomplishment. I know that some 
>folks are fine with the spying and control -- even welcome it.  Others don't 
>notice or care.  Great, go for it.  For me, nope nope nope nope nope no way.

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Tesla, with big brother looking over my shoulder, have to pay a dealer to 
unlock everything, nope nope nope.
Even the Jolt put out by General Murders I don't need in Corrupticut.
Sheeple should get a mind of their own.
An electric car needs a true 'stench cord to charge the badderies in 'em.
Get an old Volkswagen, throw in a DC motor and plenty of lead acid badderies. 
Fix it yourself, don't rely on a dealer.
--The ghost of Bob Rice

(I miss hearing from Bob Rice. Yeah, if you got the $$$, a Tesla is pretty 
cool. I'm more of a Volkswagon guy. Maybe they'll make a TeslaWagon one day? 
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Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap. (buyback?)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bob,

The $9,000 buy back option is if the customer wants to purchase the car at the 
end of the lease, they can purchase it for $9,000. It seems reasonable as the 
range of the Leaf is good and the price is ballpark for a  Leaf that is 3 to 5 
years old.

Alan

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:04 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap. (buyback?)

I've never leased.  What is a buyback?  Does that mean you can buy it for that? 
At the end of the lease by paying another $9k?

I assume It can't mean that they will buy it back from you for $9k because you 
have no equity in it?  Right?

Thanks
Bob

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap.

Lawrence,

That sounds like a good deal! And $9,000 buyback, even if the market is soft at 
the end of the lease, a person might want to purchase a car they know and have 
taken good care of.

Alan

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Subject: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap.

I may have made a mistake but I just got a lease on a 2016 Leaf S with extended 
range.  No down. $215 a month for 36 months. One month free.
Service included.  9k buyback. We get to keep the 2500 dollar state rebate.
Do the math.  Did I get it wrong?  That is total payments/credits of under 14k. 
 Am I wrong?  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap.

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Lawrence,

That sounds like a good deal! And $9,000 buyback, even if the market is soft at 
the end of the lease, a person might want to purchase a car they know and have 
taken good care of.

Alan

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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:56 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Leafs too cheap.

I may have made a mistake but I just got a lease on a 2016 Leaf S with extended 
range.  No down. $215 a month for 36 months. One month free.  Service included. 
 9k buyback. We get to keep the 2500 dollar state rebate.  Do the math.  Did I 
get it wrong?  That is total payments/credits of under 14k.  Am I wrong?  
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Re: [EVDL] Correctly subscribing to the evdl ... (else lost in nabble-only land= talking to yourself)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Paul,

I received your message, so I think you are on the EVDL.

Welcome.

Alan

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nabble-only land= talking to yourself)

Am I a subscriber now?

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Re: [EVDL] Toyota planning long range Battery EV as Hydrogen car sales is failing

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Cor,

Phrases such as "few automakers still", "entrenched in hydrogen fuel cell 
technology", "succumbing to physics", are like writing on the wall. Doesn't 
physics play an important role in energy, transportation, development and 
progress. To think that physics crept up on Toyota, and finally Toyota had to 
succumb to the unpredictable, silent, unforeseeable beast of science and 
physics is naïve.

Producing hydrogen from water requires large amounts of energy. The energy 
consumed is usually more valuable than the hydrogen produced. It is easier to 
produce hydrogen from coal or natural gas, so gasoline or diesel are not all 
that much different, so why not stick with them? Hydrogen can be used to store 
energy which is a good quality for some applications.

It is good that Toyota and others have tried and continue to try to make 
breakthroughs in the use of hydrogen technology. One day it may be possible to 
split water into hydrogen and oxygen with less energy spent, then they will be 
on to something. However, with current technology, it is efficient, clean and 
safe to utilize battery electric vehicles in areas that they perform best.

If I was a writer perhaps (most definitely) I would use an occasional 
inappropriate term, confuse the reader, miss the point, or see the world 
through lead acid and lithium colored glasses.

Just my 2 cents worth. Sorry for off topic content.

Alan

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Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 3:37 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Subject: [EVDL] Toyota planning long range Battery EV as Hydrogen car sales is 
failing

Would it be bad to say "I told you so"?
https://electrek.co/2016/11/07/toyota-long-range-battery-powered-electri
c-cars-2020-hydrogen-fuel-cells-failing/


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Re: [EVDL] Congrats: 100 mile EV-Range Club

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Cor,

Are you using a Leaf drivetrain from a wrecked vehicle to install into the 
light pickup truck? You sound busy so we will anxiously wait for pictures, 
etc..

Be safe,

Alan

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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 5:40 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Congrats: 100 mile EV-Range Club

Two more projects that I am involved in:

US Electricar S10 truck (factory conversion originally with lead-acid) using a 
complete Leaf battery pack. In fact, this is not new and already another member 
of the US Electricar community is running this setup on the East coast. My 
approach is slightly different in that I install two complete Leaf packs into 
the original battery box of the truck. This will boost its range from the 
original ~40 miles to about 100 miles, but it will require just a little extra 
hardware to monitor the two packs. No changes are needed to the high voltage 
parts of the truck, as its battery box was already set up to handle two 
individual strings of the full pack voltage, including two contactors. The new 
part is handling two CAN buses to the two BMS computers that are monitoring the 
two strings individually and generating some outputs to inform and warn the 
driver/operator as well as safety things like dropping the contactors in an 
emergency when cell voltages get too high/low.

The second project is even more ambitious: putting the complete Leaf drivetrain 
into a light pickup truck. This means the complete package from electric motor, 
halfshafts and even the wheels, to the charging
(J1772 as well as CHAdeMO), the battery and battery management and all of the 
displays and drive gear selector and computers and relays.
Only things that are already present on the truck such as tail lights will be 
spliced into the Leaf harneses. Some things are still to be decided such as 
power window regulators or keeping the manual rollup regulators from the truck?
This is a challenging but very creative project. Note that also placing the 
Leaf drivetrain in another vehicle has already been done, there are Youtube 
videos about putting it into a VW bus for example.
Hopefully before next EV rally we will be far enough along to drive the truck 
to the DeAnza campus and show this project off (and my S10).

Regards,

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 3:53 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Congrats: 100 mile EV-Range Club


Looking at your EValbum page
http://www.evalbum.com/1366
I hope you can arrange time to update it, so others can learn from what you 
have built.

Using plugshare.com , I don't see much public EVSE anywhere near your home 
(Elsberry, MO - is it as nice as Mayberry was TV-portrayed?). 

So, I am assuming (see map)
https://goo.gl/maps/xRwapnCtxCF2
 you took Hwy61 south for 50mi to St. Peters which has one L2-6kW EVSE, and 
after verifying your EV could do a return trip, (did not use the EVSE
and)
headed back for a total trip of 100mi.
If so, that would have been how I would have tested my range in your situation, 
and congrats on your accomplishment :-)


Pickup trucks have long made good long range conversions (if you are willing to 
only have a two seat EV, and lose a lot of the truck's bed and carrying 
capabilities). They already have the suspension and brakes for the added weight 
(much less modifications needed).

In the 1990's there was a higher range pu-truck called the 'Long Ranger', but 
that evdl record was lost with a previous evdl archive. There was a successor 
to it, the Red Beastie
http://evalbum.com/037

John ' http://www.plasmaboyracing.com ' Wayland completed the project for the 
builder when he got ill. Here is a related video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9XP5GFV5qQ


On a web search the names 'Long Ranger' and also 'Red Beastie' bring up lots of 
other unrelated links. But trying to extend one's range has also seen some 
add-on trailers. ACP's Al Cocconi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion

ACP's T-zero (a fore-runner to the GM-EV1, and to the Tesla Roadster,
etc.)
also offered a (Long Ranger) genset trailer to extend its range 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genset_trailer

Here is a picture of a modified T-zero with 'Long Ranger' trailer to improve 
its aerodynamics 

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 1939 Dodge pickup-truck-ice DIY reborn as an Electric (v)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bruce,
Thank you. Reading about the 1939 Dodge pickup conversion to electric was fun.
Alan

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Re: [EVDL] 12v tales

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Jan,

For someone new to electric vehicles, and for a majority of conversions, a 12 
volt accessory battery is the simple means to power accessories. The car you 
are converting was built that way, many 12 volt accessories exist and are 
available at a reasonable cost, no need to make a lot of changes to an existing 
system on a car, etc.. The main choice you face is how to keep that accessory 
battery charged. Many will use a dc to dc converter from the main battery pack, 
although some prefer a 12 volt alternator driven from the main electric drive 
motor, for its simple set up, wiring and control.

The experience and knowledge of the list members is great, and their 
preferences and direction vary widely. To save weight and reduce the number of 
system, someone could use pack voltage to drive lights, accessories, heating, 
cooling, etc. Myself, while I dream about shooting off onto the unbeaten path, 
my knowledge and budget would have me using a tried and true method. 12 volt 
accessory battery, then get super creative on how to keep it charged.

Some motorized machines use 24 volts for the starter motor and lights, so you 
can find a few lights using 24 volts. And the communications or phone system 
used 48 volts I believe so there is some equipment around at that voltage.

Alan

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jan Minnie via EV
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 12:05 PM
To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 12v tales


   > I'm new to this and your discussion has me totally confused. What is 
the verdict? Sep 12v Battery for accessories or not??

>Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

I purchased a Harbor Freight flux core wire welder several years back with a 
coupon for about $100, about a 90 amp unit. I could not afford anything else. I 
thought I would build a few projects, destroy it, and buy something better. I 
have built a trailer, accessories for a mini-excavator and a skid steer loader, 
and various other projects. The welder just will not die. It uses 3# spools of 
flux wire. I was able to massage a few parts and squeeze in a 20# reel of wire. 
It is more economical, and does not stop your project to load another spool. 
However, the welder is now about 17# heavier due to the wire. I now have a 
larger welder mig/tig? with plasma cutting ability that I have not set up yet 
because the Harbor Freight starter welder won't die. Some problems are ok to 
have. (Ok the plasma cutting requires a LOT of ATTENTION to SAFETY - enough 
said)

Be safe!!

Alan

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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:49 AM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Harbor Freight tools (was: J1772. Solder or crimp?)

Harbor freight _always_ has a 20% off one item coupon, somewhere.
Occasionally, a 25% off coupon is sent in mailings, advertizements, etc. 
(AARP magazine often has a 25% off coupon.) You can always get a "free LED 
flashlight" coupon as well. Be sure to find one of those.

They have nice tools, but you must be somewhat selective in what you buy from 
Harbor Freight.
Buy the tool (like a band saw) from HF, but buy the replacement metal-cutting 
blades, end-mills, and the like, elsewhere. Blades, etc. 
for wood and plastic from HF are OK and work great. Drills are OK.
They sell _awesome_ hydraulic tools at a bargain price. Their hand tools, 
pneumatic tools, and power tools, have worked well for us for many years and 
saved us a ton of money. If you look at photos of our shop, almost all the 
tools are HF brand.

We buy Ryobi cordless tools because they all use the same style battery. 
Have for many years, even though they have changed chemistry, the new batteries 
fit the old tools. (Even though they cost substantially less, almost every HF 
cordless tool uses a different style battery and charger, so we buy Ryobi.)

Bill D.

On 4/26/2016 3:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Bill,
> Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this 
> year as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of 
> almost daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for 
> that conversion.
> I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week, 
> then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox - 
> but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off 
> coupon, only the paper coupon is valid till July!
> Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, 
> but it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day!
>
> Cor van de Water
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> EV
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:30 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?
>
> Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain
> price:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
> For $55  there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.
>
> I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same 
> manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with 
> zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little 
> effort.
>
> Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html
>
>Bill D.
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Re: [EVDL] EVs4sale: San Diego Car2Go Smart fleet in May> lack of public EVSE

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bruce,

A year ago I inquired with car2go about the possibility of them selling 
electric rental cars to the public when they would be replaced with newer 
models. Car2go responded that the modifications the cars had for rental cars 
made this unfeasible. Maybe this conversion back from a rental car is doable 
for a large number of cars.

However, Nissan Leafs are available used now at a very affordable price in 
California. But, If car2go offers the Smart EV at a competitive price, I can 
see where a white one with blue stripe and top would look good in the driveway 
with a great big flower sticker over the car2go logo, just like a VW van from 
the 1960's. (I bet the car2go logo can be removed with a heat gun)

Below is the message from car2go I had received back. I hope they change their 
mind currently and sell the cars to EV enthusiasts.

Alan

>Thanks for your support and feedback.

>We will be recycling all of the older electric vehicles as they had 
>modifications specifically for use as car2go rental cars.

>Regards,

>car2go San Diego |  W: 619.794.2602 | sandiego.car2go.com
>633 Ninth Avenue, San Diego, CA 92101 


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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:03 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] EVs4sale: San Diego Car2Go Smart fleet in May> lack of public 
EVSE



% The news item sez S.D. Car2Go will put their Smart EVs up for sale during the 
month of May. I have contacted them to find out what the procedure will be used 
as this could be a good opportunity for the public to buy a Smart EV.

*I did get a quick response from the parent company (daimler.com) rep:

"The decision to sell the vehicle isn't definitive just yet. We may repurpose 
them internally, but if we go that way I've passed your information to the 
right person internally who will get in touch"


So, those interested should hold off until I hear from them (if at all). In my 
many years of providing free help to the EV-cause, I have helps entities to 
sell their EVs by getting the word out. So, as soon as I know, I will let 
everyone know.

Snip-

For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: 
http://evdl.org/evln/

{brucedp.150m.com}

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[EVDL] Looking for help learning to build EV motor

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Brad,

I read your message too quickly and thought..just get a DC motor from 
E-bay, a strong controller, and get on with the conversion...
Then I read your background.
Then I carefully re-read your message. Scratch built EV, not a conversion. 
Start with building a switched reluctance electric motor and software control.

The first time I heard of a Variable Reluctance motor was the EMB Lectra VR24 
electric motorcycle that Scott Cronk developed, manufactured and sold. Some of 
the web pages have been saved for fans of the motorcycle and technology.
http://www.electricmotorbike.org/index.php?page=lectra

There are several Scott Cronk's in technology and the arts but here is a short 
bio on the VR motor guy:
http://www.energymatters.net/scott-cronk.html

I would contact him directly as from reading about him and the Lectra project 
he seemed like a down to earth type of guy with a passion for his work and some 
smarts. I do not know him personally.

Good luck!

Alan

>-Original Message-
>From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jim Waite via EV
>Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:01 PM
>To: ev@lists.evdl.org; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21

>Hi Brad,

>Specific SEVA members you should contact include Rich Rudman at Manzanita 
>Micro, and Dave Cloud at Cloud Electric (although I understand >Dave may have 
>recently moved, we both use to live in Woodinville).
>Best Regards,
>Jim Waite

>Sent from Jim's Intergalactic Comm Device

>> 
>> 
>> Hey, everyone,
> >
> >I am located in the Seattle, WA area (Woodinville, actually), and am 
> >interested in learning to build and control my own switched reluctance 
>> electric motor.  The long-term goal of the project will be to build an 
>> EV from scratch (not a conversion), but since I do not have a hardware 
>> background yet, I'm looking for someone willing to at least help me 
>> take all my "unknown unknowns" to "known unknowns" ;).  From there, if 
>> need be, I can tackle transforming those known unknowns into knowns on my 
>> own.
>> 
>> Initially, I'd like to build a tabletop motor so that I can practice 
>> software control specifically of starting the motor, controlling regen 
>> during deceleration and acoustics, and controlling speed.
>> 
>> If you know anyone able and willing to help, I would appreciate an 
>> introduction.
>> 
Snip 
>> Thank you!
>> 
>> All the best,
>> -Brad Gibson
>> 

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Re: [EVDL] Best year of Leaf to buy used.

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Lawrence,

The 2013 had an improvement to the battery for hot weather. The 2011 or 2012 
will be a little lower in price. Review the models and see if you want 
navigation, etc. But be sure to get the fast charging option if that is what 
you want. Newer models are reasonably priced for what you get.

Alan



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Subject : [EVDL] Best year of Leaf to buy used.

I have seen some very good prices on 2013 Leafs with chademo & 6.6 chargers.  
I'm selling the veggie mobile and will need a car and since 12k is affordable 
to me I'm thinking of replacing the mess and thrift with almost as thrifty but 
much less messy electric.  Is there a "best" year of leaf so far?  Lawrence 
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Re: [EVDL] Fix or scrap old conversions / get used Leaf?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Ed,

I say do a little of everything. You are in a good spot. Access to two older 
conversion, one that has good memories. Access to used Leafs at a good price. 
Lithium batteries are getting better and falling in price.

Buy a used leaf so you can save $ on fuel and maintenance. Donate the pickup EV 
to an interested neighbor down the street, you'll feel good and they will get a 
start. Put some mouse traps in the RX7 to ward off the mice, and start looking 
for another RX7 in good shape except for the (broken motor / busted 
transmission / frozen rear axle / insert any number of headaches here that you 
can easily tackle that have pushed the last owner over the edge). You may even 
gain some knowledge about the Leaf batteries and decide a pack from a wrecked 
Leaf belongs in your RX7.

You will feel good driving around in a Leaf. If anyone gives you grief, pull 
out the "yeah, well my other car is a plasma eating RX7 with." Someday 
the RX7 will run. The list wisdom always says to convert the car that you would 
like to drive. You have to enjoy that car.

Cheers,
Alan

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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:02 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Fix or scrap old conversions / get used Leaf?

I have a couple of old conversions I've let sit for years, waiting for the day 
when I could get batteries that I could afford that were not lead acid.
 Overall it appears that Lithium Ion is at last somewhat affordable, minus the 
notable cost of battery management.  The unexpected conundrum is thanks to a 
surprisingly good acceptance of EV's lately, even with no immediate energy 
crises, theres now a nice supply of used commercially made EV's available.  So 
my indecision for some time lately is a used Leaf or new batteries and 
rebuilding my EV's...  The very sad complication is the conversions got invaded 
by mice and the interiors are totally trashed!  Is it really worth the trouble 
anymore of rebuilding my science fair projects?
The major thing is the one is a 1985 Mazda RX-7 and in its heyday was my pride 
and joy.  Even with 1500 pounds of lead I loved driving the car.  
The Leaf and most other affordable EV's are really still are not particularly 
compelling cars for me.  However it would be nice to drive a
average styled EV thats well engineered and modern.   The RX-7 and the EV
Pickup have all the usual older conversion issues from being made of an odd 
mishmash of dated hardware.  I've always been concerned how well the insurance 
company will honor a policy for a home built car in crises.

My overall thought is to see if anyone in my area of Northern Colorado would be 
interested in the EV's for little of no cost.  I'd much rather see
some other EV enthusiast put some love back in the EV's.   Otherwise I may
just scrap out the parts and sadly send the cars off for scrap.  The prospect 
though is I'll still probably not do another conversion.  Though a Miata 
conversion idea continues to never go away.

Anyone in my area that would be able and willing to take one or both, feel free 
to email me.

 - Ed
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Wheezy e-bicycle pusher, snaps on/off rear, L1 charge @work (v)

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

David,

I built something like the Wheezy only much lighter. Mine mounted higher up 
from a parcel rack over the rear wheel. And I used a flexible hose similar to a 
radiator hose for the hinge. The high flexible mount was a bad idea. If I had 
mounted it lower like the Wheezy it would have worked much better. Mine had a 
wobble to it that made it dangerous, but you could get up quickly past 20 miles 
per hour into the wobble zone. I did not have the patience to perfect the 
mount, and moved on to mounting the motor and parts directly onto the bike. 
However, the small wheel was much better at getting the motor into the high rpm 
range it worked best at.

Alan

Re: [EVDL] Mecury Messanger

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Wayne,

It is hard to find information on a concept car so I was perplexed for a while, 
but if I had been paying attention to your earlier post I would have known. In 
2003 the Mercury Messenger was a concept car by Mercury (Ford) using some 
shared Jaguar parts. I did a little reading and think that possibly the Ford 
DEW platform (DEW98) used in midsized rear-wheel drive cars developed by both 
Ford and Jaguar engineers may be some of what you are working with. The 
platform was used in 2000-2008 Jaguar S-Type, 2000-2006 Lincoln LS, 2002-2005 
Ford Thunderbird and 2008 and forward Jaguar XF.

In some Ford applications you may be able to find a rear carrier in the ratio 
3.58 but please double check, I am no expert, just a wild guess. Between 2002 
and 2003 there seems to be a change in the rear end compatibility of parts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-FORD-THUNDERBIRD-REAR-AXLE-ASSY-1W63-4K139-AA-M205-PM580A-3-58-NEW-BUT-/111769691880?hash=item1a05fe26e8=mtr

Ebay item number 111769691880  Complete assembly for a 2002.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Lincoln-LS-REAR-AXLE-DIFFERENTIAL-3-58-RATIO-/321647525933?fits=Year%3A2002%7CMake%3AFord%7CModel%3AThunderbird=item4ae3afc02d=mtr

 Ebay item number 321647525933  Looks to be a steel housing with a broken back 
cover.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181826281443?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D181826281443%26_rdc%3D1

Ebay item number 181826281443  This one is aluminum.

I like the looks of the concept car you are working on. You have posted 
pictures on your site. I like the rims as well.
http://www.ev-blue.com/Mercury_Messenger_Concept_Car/001.html

Have fun!

Alan


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convertions via EV
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 9:34 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Mecury Messanger

I have this Mercury Messenger just about done, did a test drive and found out 
the rear end ratio is way to low. 2.53to 1 , This car has no trans, no place to 
put one. Its direct drive 


I find out that the rear end Diff and carrier with axles are all Jaguar X-type, 
The bad thing is that Jag only made the X-type with one gear ratio, 2.53 to 1 . 
I did a tooth count . 
Finally I found a BMW SUV that the front diff is about the same size, (smaller) 
but the axles are bolt to gear, the Jag is slip in spline to gear. Now I have 
to make mounts, modify the BMW axles to adapt to the Jag axles . The Fun never 
ends . The test drive was like being in a buck board LOL , No springs in this 
car, it was for show only, so the owner will put air bags in it when it gets 
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[EVDL] KTM CEO Stefan Pierer Interview

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello EVDL,

An online article from Alan Cathcart of Motor Cyclist describes the plan CEO 
Stefan Pierer has for KTM and Husqvarna by way of an interview. In 2015 KTM 
plans a production run of 2,000 electric motorcycles called the Freeride E that 
will have three versions. Two years later an electric street bike is planned. 
By 2020 their electric goal is 10,000 units a year. Total output from KTM and 
Husqvarna was 120,000 units in 2013, and they plan to increase to 250,000 units 
in 2020. The article is short and interesting and can be found here:
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/10-questions-with-ktm-president-ceo-stefan-pierer

If that address wraps to the next line, just enter
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/
and search for 10 Questions With: KTM President & CEO Stefan Pierer

Also, there is an article on the 2015 Zero S, and the new partnership between 
Victory and Brammo.

Enjoy,

Alan Brinkman
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Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Willie,

How about some NIMH battery modules from the Toyota Prius or other hybrid 
vehicle? They are 7.2 Volts and 6.5 Ah. Two battery modules in parallel would 
be 13 Ah and 5 of those in series would be 36 Volts. However, I think NiMH do 
not like running in parallel. This is ten modules total, at $45 each used is 
$450 before a charger, monitor, BMS, contacts, etc Maybe two series strings 
could be used without parallel bridges at each battery, only connect them with 
contactors when driving the bike. More cost effective would be going with 5 
modules in series at 6.5 Ah and 36 Volts. Less range but less $$ and simpler.

Have you looked at Leaf Lithium modules?

Alan

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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 9:12 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

A battery for my Prodeco bicycle turned up dead.  The OEM replacement is nearly 
$500.  Can someone point me toward a better solution?  36v, ~10ah.  Has anyone 
heard of anyone doing cell replacements?
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Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Harry,

The 2013 Leaf is a good year to look for used as it is a good tradeoff between 
cost and features. It has improvements to the battery. Look for the specific 
model that has the charging and other features that will meet your needs. I 
keep looking at used Leafs. I need to get one before the truck I drive wears 
out. I need the truck to pull a few trailers about a dozen times a year.

Hey, how is your motorcycle running, the one that looks like a Harley?

Have a great day,
Alan


As i enter my 10th year of using EVs to provide most of my transportation, i'm 
thinking about upgrading to a commercially made EV.  i would like to pick 
folks brains about what i should consider or watch out for if i'm buying a 
used leaf.  i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now

Also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? if so when 
and what is the likelihood of restarting 

Harry


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Redesigned Smart EV w/ American drivers in mind r:100mi

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Peri,

On the car2go electric Smart car you are required to plug in the vehicle at a 
charging station at the end of your trip if the charge level has fallen below 
20% during your rental. Their website lists the range of about 84 miles on one 
page and 70 on another. On another page is says that if you end a trip with 
less than 20% battery, the car is placed out of service until a car2go employee 
can find the car and get it to a charging station. If you end a trip at a 
charging station, the car needs to be plugged in and charging. The car has a 
charge card attached to the key ring, and you can use the in car navigation to 
find a station and charge during your trip. If you run the car down to 0% and 
it needs a tow, there will be charges.

Car2go has home areas where you can pick up and drop off a car. They are large 
parts of the city. There are general guidelines at to where you can drop off a 
car. If you were to need a charge in the middle of a trip, you could drop the 
car at a charging station and end the trip and look for another car that was 
available. Or wait for the charging car, and hope no one else rents it or 
reserves it. Or, you could place the car in stopover mode, still incurring 
rental charges, charge the car, and resume your trip. There are daily and 
hourly maximum charges that you could look at to see what made the most sense 
financially. You can reserve a car up to 30 minutes before you need it.

On their website there are materials to explain membership, parking, charging, 
drop off, tickets, penalties, finding a car, home area, etc.

Alan

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 11:18 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Redesigned Smart EV w/ American drivers in mind 
r:100mi

-I think am pleased with what they've done, too, although I don't use them 
myself.  Do you know how well the process of charging works?  Let's say I need 
to get from A to be and it takes 10 min by car.  Do I have to spend an 
additional 15-20 minutes to charge it if the charge is low?  
-Can I leave it parked at a level 2 charger, if I can find one?  How far does 
one have to go out of his way to find a charger, typically?

-Peri

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Re: [EVDL] LEAF Version Distinctions

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Jamie,

Your description of the variations of the Leaf is helpful. I have been watching 
the used price of Leafs (Leaves) for some time now and they have come down into 
the affordable range for me. I see a difference in charging rate and also the 
changes in 2013. I need to get my research done before I am ready to buy so I 
find a Leaf with the fast charging capacity and the better options or find a 
low price without the options and be happy.

Thanks for your description.

Alan

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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:22 AM
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Subject: [EVDL] LEAF Version Distinctions


It might be useful to make version distinctions when discussing the LEAF:

  -We might call the 2011 and 2012 model years LEAF V1.

  -Models from 2013 forward (a year of major changes) we might call LEAF 
 V1.5.

  -The upcoming 150-200+ range LEAF we might call LEAF V2 (unless Nissan 
 gives it some other unique moniker).

In addition, it would be useful to note the trim level, S, SV or SL, since 
they have different standard features and available option packages (for 
example the more efficient LEAF V1.5 heat pump feature is not available on 
the S).

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Re: [EVDL] HARBOROUGH Harbilt 551

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Kilian,

The below website shows many Harbilt truck models including the 551. One 
description was for 20 X 4 Tyres on 12 diameter wheels.

http://www.classicrefusetrucks.com/albums/HB/HB.html

I would check for any markings on the existing tires and work with a commercial 
tire shop for advice.

Does your unit have a cab to ride in, or is it a model you walk with? They made 
tugs, stand on platform trucks, ride on vehicles, and platforms that you walk 
in front of and steer with a tiller like pulling a trailer.

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/c/ce/Im196106HE-Har.jpg

Good luck!

Alan


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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:43 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] HARBOROUGH Harbilt 551

Hi
We need your help.
We have bought an old HARBOROUGH Harbilt 551 for carneval in Lucerne 
(Switzerland).
Now we have to change the tire, update the electronic/battery etc. but we don't 
have any information about this Harbilt 551.
Can help somebody? 
Does anyone have documentation or instructions?
What tire do we need? Where we get this?
Our Harbilt moves very quickly. You can adjust the speed? Are there 2 courses?
Many thanks for your feedback.
Kilian Fischer
Switzerland
k.fisc...@uups.ch 

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Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

A few vehicle manufacturers did offer, and I think a few still do offer a car 
or truck that runs on compressed natural gas. You can fill at a public station 
or have a small cng compressor installed in your garage if you have natural gas 
at your home and a minimum supply flow. Consumers with a cng compressor at home 
and a cng burning car or truck will understand the transition to a battery 
electric vehicle and filling up with energy at home in the garage because that 
is what they have become used to.

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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:04 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 
minutes

Rick Beebe via EV wrote:
 I have two EVs and a PHEV so I'm well aware of the advantages of 
 starting out with a full vehicle every morning. But there are millions 
 of people who live in places where they can't plug their car in and I 
 bet some number of them are wishing they could get away from gas.

Most people are fearful of change. They already know the gas pump model, and 
would only tolerate an EV if it works the same. I.e. they expect to drive to an 
electric fuel station, where there is a big box like a gas pump. It has a 
hose and a connector that plugs into their car, just like a gas pump, that will 
charge their car in about the same amount of time it would take to fill a gas 
tank. And, they want it to be *cheaper*, or they'll never change away from gas.

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Re: [EVDL] Need Lithium batteries.

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Hello EVDL,

After following the thread on Leaf batteries and E-bay sales I had a few 
thoughts:

The seller 1eyedcruiser has 99.1% positive feedback, with clear pictures and 
descriptions of what is for sale. Lithium batteries, electric motors, 
controllers, adapter plates, contactors, disconnects, and heat sensors and 
heater controllers. Some of the items are costly, but the seller has a history 
of sales and a track record. If I were in a position to buy a battery pack for 
a motorcycle project I am currently collecting parts for, I would be very 
interested in one of the smaller packs from this seller. I have no financial 
interest and do not know the seller. A person contemplating a large purchase 
could start with the purchase of one lithium cell, about $180 with shipping. 
Then move on to larger purchases where the per cell price drops, once the 
initial cell and quality are known.

I think I am a pretty good E-bay user, but finding Leaf batteries escapes me. I 
can easily find batteries for a leaf blower, 12 volt accessory batteries for a 
Nissan Leaf car, Leaf battery chargers, etc. etc. etc With the leaf name 
and division between E-bay and E-bay motors I have had trouble. I have added 
1eyedcruiser to my list of sale items that I watch and eventually I will learn 
the terms to search for to find new, surplus, or used Lithium batteries at an 
affordable cost.

I have sold a kit using surplus items before on E-bay and have been asked for a 
list of parts and suppliers so the person could build their own, several times. 
I have thought about selling the person just the most critical parts that I 
fabricate and let them buy the surplus items directly, but I am reluctant to do 
so because someone could just copy the parts I fabricate and put me out of 
business. There needs to be a profit for sellers on E-bay to keep the items 
available in spite of E-bay charges, Paypal charges, shipping costs, breakage, 
warranty, improper use, etc. If we all had the computer skills of a 
fearless child, we would each set up a website to sell with minimal overhead, 
maybe just some 2% fee to collect funds by credit card, and a $40 per month web 
site fee. 

Okay, step down quietly off the soap box, and slip into the crowd...
Alan

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cruisin via EV
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:02 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need Lithium batteries.

Currently have in stock both NEW Leaf and VOLT modules as well as BMS wire 
harness for the Volt, and Mini BMS for both Leaf and Volt modules. Volt modules 
available in 24vdc, 48vdc and 96vdc. Out of stock on Ford Focus modules until 
10/29/14. Not selling wrecks like others. Scammers don't need to ask me where I 
get them as they are wasting their time.
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Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV.

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Peri,

I am wondering if not having a differential but driving each wheel 
independently with an electric motor does not create the issue that one would 
expect. If you have a solid axle car, and turn a corner, one or both wheels 
will scrub the road and the car will try to drive straight forward. The Tropica 
electric car, also called the Zebra, the four wheeled fiberglass sports car 
looking one, not the three wheeled enclosed Zebra, had an Advanced DC 7 motor 
at each rear wheel. A belt drive was used to transfer power from the motor to 
the wheel. The suspension was independent at each corner. They did have two 
Curtis 400 amp controllers, I am not sure if they were tied to the same 
throttle input, or if there was some linking of the controllers. I know some of 
the more modern Curtis controllers can be linked to the same model of 
controller to power a vehicle with one throttle and two motors. The Tropica or 
Zebra owners did not report any problems with making sharp corners. I wonder if
  the electrical connection between the motors is not the straight axle 
mechanical connection that you would suspect. Someone on the list help me here 
with a more knowledgeable explanation. A mobility chair or wheel chair has a 
controller or controllers that manage the speed and direction of the two drive 
wheels to control steering and movement. But did the Tropica (Zebra) circa 1996 
have controllers that were just set up for forward travel, or was there some 
coordination between the units according to steering position and speed. A 
forklift technician may also know the answer. Do forklifts with steerable 
wheels need any coordination between two driving wheels. I suspect that the 
electric drive of the vehicles, not being 100% mechanical, gives enough 
flexibility for turning. Also, a drive axle with a differential with no locking 
device, can have one wheel lifted or lose traction, and the other wheel loses 
power because it is all transferred to the lifted wheel. I do not t
 hink this will happen with two wheels, each driven with an electric motor. One 
wheel with traction will keep transmitting power to the ground, and one that 
has lifted will spin also. However, now you have to make sure that you have the 
issue of over speeding a motor under control. The Tropica was listed with about 
a 60 mph top speed, 7 motor, 72 volts of batteries, and maybe the Curtis 
controller was set to limit top speed.

With one controller and two DC motors, each driving separate wheels, I would 
think that cabling them in series or parallel would affect the traction and 
speed of the motors.

Someone more knowledgeable please jump in

Alan

Part of post cut out..

The other potential problem is *not* having a differential.  With a mechanical 
differential, one wheel is allowed to turn faster than the other when going 
around corners.  With hub motors, that process will have to be done 
electronically.

Peri

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Re: [EVDL] co-operation

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Co-operation

In San Diego, California there is an EV club or coop that meets at Montgomery 
Field (small airport?) on Saturdays to work on member's conversion projects. 
They also have workshops ($75) and have displays at fairs, etc... They help 
members get their conversions started, and then members usually take their 
projects home to complete when the major electrical and motor install is done. 
This works good  because all of the oil, grease, and gas could be removed at 
their shop. You can see lots of conversions, see what safety items are needed, 
etc..
https://www.facebook.com/kickgasclub/info?ref=page_internal

Here is their home page, scroll down to see an old Dodge truck.
http://kickgasclub.org/

I live two hours away, but my son is in San Diego and wants to convert a small 
truck.

I think in the Bay Area (San Francisco, CA) there are community work shops that 
you can subscribe to for the use of tools and space.

The old Volkswagen beetle is a pretty good platform to standardize an EV 
conversion process for. I also really like the Chevrolet S-10 for a modern 
conversion. Just look what EV-Blue has done as a business entity.

Alan




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Re: [EVDL] 270.224 mph at Bonneville

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Bill  Eva,

Excellent work!

Be safe.
Alan
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[EVDL] Polaris EV

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Greetings EVDL,

Polaris is making an off road utility vehicle that is battery powered and costs 
about $11,299. On a motorcycle chassis design E-mail list that I read it was 
posted today that Polaris is going to sell a three wheel motorcycle vehicle 
named Slingshot for $23,999 ($19,999 without a windshield and plain wheels). 
The Slingshot has a gasoline powered four cylinder motor and manual 
transmission. When looking at the powertrain I found it very interesting that 
the drive shaft goes to a 90 degree gear box, then a belt is used to drive the 
rear wheel. The entire drive train from the motor to the gear box could be 
removed and an electric motor installed to drive the final belt drive with a 
small pulley. The rear wheel has a somewhat large pulley, and possibly the rear 
20 inch wheel could be swapped out for a smaller 15, 16 or 17 inch wheel to 
increase the reduction of the drive to keep the electric motor rpm's up. It was 
just a quick thought that occurred to me. I do not like the looks
  of the three wheeler. However, in five or ten years if I find a used one with 
a bad motor, it could easily be converted to electric and batteries stuffed 
into the empty engine compartment. Definitely your second car though as it does 
not have a roof.


http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot#ride



http://www.polaris.com/en-us/ranger-utv/ranger-ev-avalanche-gray


Alan
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Re: [EVDL] 1925 'T'

[Alan Brinkman via EV]

Wayne,

How about a 1927 Ford Track T rat rod? Electric even!

eBay item number:   181442550341

I saw this yesterday on E-bay, and some other interesting electric vehicles as 
well. I have no financial interest in this vehicle.

Alan

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Subject: [EVDL] 1925 'T'

^I will be getting a 1925 model T truck to convert, of all people the Kennedy 
Center of preforming arts in DC. They want it for a play they will be ^putting 
on this summer. LOLOLOL  No range, no speed, just move it on  off the stage ..

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