Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Darryl McMahon via EV]

If it's a big deal to anyone, I can remove the ads from any specific 
pages where content is generated from EVDL members.  No pop-ups and no 
tracking from my end.  Actually, if there's much interest in this, I'll 
probably take the opportunity to go back through the EV History pages 
and take the ads out.  More trouble than they're worth anyway.


I definitely won't be offended if the consensus is to go another way.

I know there have been a few updates in those pages since 2009, but 
admittedly not many.  I still have the interest, but since the arrival 
of my grandson and doing the business start up thing, time has been 
harder to come by.


Darryl

(I'm on digest mode, so it may take a while for me to reply to specific 
posts)


On 10/5/2015 4:03 PM, via EV wrote:

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On 4 Oct 2015 at 21:40, Darryl McMahon via EV wrote:


>In the past, I have rescued some EV-related website material which was
>in danger of being lost, and have gathered it into my EV History pages
>on the econogics.com website.

That's an interesting idea!  Darryl's page is a comprehensive resource, and
as he says, it has a long history itself.  That history might help its
search engine positioning, though the last update in 2009 could undermine
that.

Once nice thing about it (IMO) is that it's good old fashioned table-based
static html.  It loads fast, though it does have 2 ad and/or tracking
scripts.  Other than navigation links that are a bit too close together, it
works OK on small screens, at least in landscape mode.  And his server is
powered by renewable energy, which I think is pretty cool.

My main personal objection (sorry, Darryl) is that it's ad-supported, and
though I didn't see any pop-ups, the ads aren't very subtle.  When I checked
just now it was hawking the [ICE] Hyundai Sonata; and, oddly, water
filtering, a 2011 Corolla, VW repair, a Salem attorney, Loop Loc (whatever
that is) and (of all things) wedding flutes.  No, I am NOT clicking on those
buttons to find out what they are.:-(

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need to pay hosting costs, though the
EVDL's are low enough that I can easily cover them out of pocket.  Darryl's
green server probably costs more than my admittedly brownish shared hosting.

Still, if I set up a wiki at evdl.org, I guarantee it won't have ads or
tracking.  That might not be a big deal for a lot of you, though.

At any rate, check out Darryl's page

http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm

and let us know what you think.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 4 Oct 2015 at 21:40, Darryl McMahon via EV wrote:

> In the past, I have rescued some EV-related website material which was 
> in danger of being lost, and have gathered it into my EV History pages 
> on the econogics.com website.

That's an interesting idea!  Darryl's page is a comprehensive resource, and 
as he says, it has a long history itself.  That history might help its 
search engine positioning, though the last update in 2009 could undermine 
that.

Once nice thing about it (IMO) is that it's good old fashioned table-based 
static html.  It loads fast, though it does have 2 ad and/or tracking 
scripts.  Other than navigation links that are a bit too close together, it 
works OK on small screens, at least in landscape mode.  And his server is 
powered by renewable energy, which I think is pretty cool.

My main personal objection (sorry, Darryl) is that it's ad-supported, and 
though I didn't see any pop-ups, the ads aren't very subtle.  When I checked 
just now it was hawking the [ICE] Hyundai Sonata; and, oddly, water 
filtering, a 2011 Corolla, VW repair, a Salem attorney, Loop Loc (whatever 
that is) and (of all things) wedding flutes.  No, I am NOT clicking on those 
buttons to find out what they are.  :-(

Don't get me wrong, I understand the need to pay hosting costs, though the 
EVDL's are low enough that I can easily cover them out of pocket.  Darryl's 
green server probably costs more than my admittedly brownish shared hosting.

Still, if I set up a wiki at evdl.org, I guarantee it won't have ads or 
tracking.  That might not be a big deal for a lot of you, though.

At any rate, check out Darryl's page

http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistry.htm

and let us know what you think.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Oct 4, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:

> Limit it to just the time span of the EVDL.

On the contrary; limit it only to that which people willing to volunteer their 
time are interested in contributing.

Sure, encourage people to step up for stuff you yourself are most interested 
in...but if there's somebody out there who's passionate about the history of 
Italian EVs from 1904 - 1927, why _not_ welcome such contributions?

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Darryl McMahon via EV]

I hesitate to raise my hand here as I am currently crazy busy on too 
many fronts.


In the past, I have rescued some EV-related website material which was 
in danger of being lost, and have gathered it into my EV History pages 
on the econogics.com website.  E.g., 
http://www.econogics.com/ev/DaleW/DaleW-CCar.htm, 
http://www.econogics.com/ev/lepman.htm).


If someone else can compile the material related to our EV Pioneers, I'm 
prepared to edit material received, put it into HTML, and post it on 
this website.


That might resolve the issue with Wikipedia wanting a primary source.

Just offering it as an option to consider in this discussion.

The website has been around since the 1990s, and is funded entirely by 
me, so no worries about who pays for it.  Upkeep and maintenance is a 
bit haphazard, but historical material should not require a lot of 
updating once assembled and uploaded.


Darryl McMahon

On 10/4/2015 4:03 PM, via EV wrote:

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 10:17:45 -0600
From: Mike Nickerson via EV
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The problem with Wikipedia is they don't want to be a primary source.  They 
want a reference from another source for everything that is stated.  I've seen 
many pages with comments that the information seems to be primary or needs a 
cited reference.  Now, if they flag that, but don't do anything like delete the 
page, that might still be ok.

Since I've seen pages like that, they certainly leave many up.

Mike


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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Peri Hartman via EV]

My thoughts: start small.

Limit it to just the time span of the EVDL.  Get the wiki working, 
decide on the format and sections of each page, what aspects of content 
to include.  Once that time span is completed, start growing.


Peri

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On 10/04/2015 07:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
I'm willing to set up a wiki at evdl.org.  Like the EVDL, it would be 
100%

non-commmercial, meaning no ads and no commercial promotion.

Before I do that, could we please have a few people commit to writing 
and/or

editing?  Keep in mind that it requires some time.
I will contribute to the limit of my knowledge.  That is, not all that 
much.  I will offer to help organizing.


I see a main page with links to individuals.  Perhaps, people 
alphabetical within period of their contributions.  1950s, 1960s, etc.  
Or some other era delimiter.



You can contact me offlist (see the bottom of this message for 
instructions)

if you like.

Another thought.  Should we limit it to EV personalities, or perhaps EV
history since (say) 1950 or 1960?  Should we make it more general?  
Limiting

it would limit the amount of time people would have to invest in it.

I don't see that limiting the scope would encourage contributions. 
IMHO, just the opposite since people will be contributing only what 
they know or are interested in.  I see it as counter productive to tell 
someone NOT to contribute what they know or what they are interested 
in.



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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Willie2 via EV]

On 10/04/2015 07:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

I'm willing to set up a wiki at evdl.org.  Like the EVDL, it would be 100%
non-commmercial, meaning no ads and no commercial promotion.

Before I do that, could we please have a few people commit to writing and/or
editing?  Keep in mind that it requires some time.
I will contribute to the limit of my knowledge.  That is, not all that 
much.  I will offer to help organizing.


I see a main page with links to individuals.  Perhaps, people 
alphabetical within period of their contributions.  1950s, 1960s, etc.  
Or some other era delimiter.



You can contact me offlist (see the bottom of this message for instructions)
if you like.

Another thought.  Should we limit it to EV personalities, or perhaps EV
history since (say) 1950 or 1960?  Should we make it more general?  Limiting
it would limit the amount of time people would have to invest in it.

I don't see that limiting the scope would encourage contributions. IMHO, 
just the opposite since people will be contributing only what they know 
or are interested in.  I see it as counter productive to tell someone 
NOT to contribute what they know or what they are interested in.



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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

I'm willing to set up a wiki at evdl.org.  Like the EVDL, it would be 100% 
non-commmercial, meaning no ads and no commercial promotion.

Before I do that, could we please have a few people commit to writing and/or 
editing?  Keep in mind that it requires some time.

You can contact me offlist (see the bottom of this message for instructions) 
if you like.

Another thought.  Should we limit it to EV personalities, or perhaps EV 
history since (say) 1950 or 1960?  Should we make it more general?  Limiting 
it would limit the amount of time people would have to invest in it.  

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

The problem with Wikipedia is they don't want to be a primary source.  They 
want a reference from another source for everything that is stated.  I've seen 
many pages with comments that the information seems to be primary or needs a 
cited reference.  Now, if they flag that, but don't do anything like delete the 
page, that might still be ok.

Since I've seen pages like that, they certainly leave many up.  

Mike


On October 4, 2015 8:39:22 AM MDT, Peri Hartman via EV  
wrote:
>Frankly, I *do* think wikipedia is an appropriate media to document EV 
>pioneers.
>- it's a widely recognized reference,
>- its pages frequently show high in search results,
>- it's considered generally trustworthy and cited by many.
>I think we would be doing a disservice to those wanting to know about
>EV 
>history to omit publishing in wikipedia.
>
>As for the policy of submissions, I did a bit of reading.   I do not
>see 
>anything that would discourage or ban documenting of EV pioneers.  It 
>does state that wikipedia cannot contain unpublished theories, data, 
>etc.  I think what that means is one cannot use wikipedia to publish 
>research - results of a scientific experiment, for example - which, 
>instead must be published elsewhere and referenced from wikipedia.  
>However publishing fact - who did what in the pioneering days of EVs is
>
>perfectly acceptable.
>
>Here are some wikipedia guideline pages:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines#Content
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies#Content
>
>Perhaps I'm missing some other point about not publishing in wikipedia.
> 
>If so, please explain.
>
>Peri
>
>
>>Would the EV Album folks add a wiki to their server for this purpose?
>>
>>On October 3, 2015 2:16:44 PM CDT, Ben Goren via EV
> 
>>wrote:
>>>On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of 
>>>thing,
>>>but _the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki.
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Willie2 via EV]

On 10/04/2015 09:39 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Frankly, I *do* think wikipedia is an appropriate media to document EV 
pioneers.
I agree with David and Ben on Wikipedia.  Getting something published 
there seems pretty daunting to me.  I agree with you that Wikipedia is a 
desired final destination for the information.  I propose we start with 
a less daunting wiki, get the material polished and whipped into shape 
and then copy the acceptable stuff to Wikipedia.  That is, if a less 
daunting wiki appears.


I'm sure the position of "Wikipedia Polisher" is open...

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Frankly, I *do* think wikipedia is an appropriate media to document EV 
pioneers.

- it's a widely recognized reference,
- its pages frequently show high in search results,
- it's considered generally trustworthy and cited by many.
I think we would be doing a disservice to those wanting to know about EV 
history to omit publishing in wikipedia.


As for the policy of submissions, I did a bit of reading.   I do not see 
anything that would discourage or ban documenting of EV pioneers.  It 
does state that wikipedia cannot contain unpublished theories, data, 
etc.  I think what that means is one cannot use wikipedia to publish 
research - results of a scientific experiment, for example - which, 
instead must be published elsewhere and referenced from wikipedia.  
However publishing fact - who did what in the pioneering days of EVs is 
perfectly acceptable.


Here are some wikipedia guideline pages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_guidelines#Content
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies#Content

Perhaps I'm missing some other point about not publishing in wikipedia.  
If so, please explain.


Peri



Would the EV Album folks add a wiki to their server for this purpose?

On October 3, 2015 2:16:44 PM CDT, Ben Goren via EV  
wrote:

On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
 wrote:

You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of 
thing,

but _the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki.




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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Chris Meier via EV]

Would the EV Album folks add a wiki to their server for this purpose? 

On October 3, 2015 2:16:44 PM CDT, Ben Goren via EV  wrote:
>On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have thoughts on this idea?
>
>You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of thing,
>but _the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki.
>
>Ironically enough, a well-established EVDL wiki could conceivably
>become a suitable source for a citation for Wikipedia, but any such
>consideration should be secondary.
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV  
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> Anyone have thoughts on this idea?

You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of thing, but 
_the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki.

Ironically enough, a well-established EVDL wiki could conceivably become a 
suitable source for a citation for Wikipedia, but any such consideration should 
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

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I'm not sure Wikipedia is the best place for this.  They have pretty 
restrictive policies on sources.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it 
appears to me that original, personal experience - including knowing a 
person well - usually isn't very welcome. Their brass seem to want 
contributors to to find published research by someone else and quote it.  I 
understand why they have this policy (I think), but it may not be what you 
want for a biography of an EV pioneer.  For that knowing the person should 
be a plus, not a minus, IMO (but what do others think?).

Maybe a mini-wiki for this specific (narrow) purpose at evdl.org would work. 
I'll see what it takes to set one up.  I get the impression that it's not 
tough.

Anyone have thoughts on this idea?

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Roland via EV]

   
Here is some info on Robert Raymond Aronsson, CEO of Apollo Energy Systems base 
in Ponpand Bench Florida, FL 33069

 

There web site is 
www.apolloenergysystems.com<http://www.apolloenergysystems.com/>  

 

I bought one of there proto types from them which was one of seven which is 
call Transformer I, on a 1976 Chevelle chassis provide by GM, Modified by the 
Creative Industrial Company in Detroit, and Electrified by the Electric Fuel 
Propulsion Company in Troy Michigan.

 

I still have this EV today which is in storage.

 

Bob Rice work for Aronsson at the plant in Troy Michigan. They ran the 
Transformer I for 1056 miles in 24 hours charging every hour for about 20 
minutes to show the public that you can run a EV over 1000 miles in a day.   I 
received this EV after this test.  

 

Roland  

 

 


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On 10/01/2015 10:50 AM, k7...@seanet.com<mailto:k7...@seanet.com> wrote:
> Don't forget Wally Rippel, Robert Aronson, and Ron Gremban.  Wally
> organized the 1968 Great American Electric Car Race between MIT and
> Caltech.  Bob Aronson built limited production (40 ?) of Mars II Renault
> electric car conversions and many other EV prototype cars as well as
> supporting others in reviving EV interest.
In addition to this public suggestion, I've had several private 
suggestions.  Thanks to all.  I know very little of most the people 
mentioned.

I was thinking that a good approach would be to create a wikipedia page, 
EV-Pioneers or somesuch, with a bunch of stubs to each identified 
individual and hope that someone with some knowledge of the individuals 
would come along and create the appropriate pages. Not having any 
experience creating wikipedia pages, I started reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article>
And decided this was likely to go MUCH slower than I first thought.

So, if someone has some experience worthing with wikipedia.

My my new wikipedia username is wmckemie.

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Willie2 via EV]

On 10/01/2015 10:50 AM, k7...@seanet.com wrote:

Don't forget Wally Rippel, Robert Aronson, and Ron Gremban.  Wally
organized the 1968 Great American Electric Car Race between MIT and
Caltech.  Bob Aronson built limited production (40 ?) of Mars II Renault
electric car conversions and many other EV prototype cars as well as
supporting others in reviving EV interest.
In addition to this public suggestion, I've had several private 
suggestions.  Thanks to all.  I know very little of most the people 
mentioned.


I was thinking that a good approach would be to create a wikipedia page, 
EV-Pioneers or somesuch, with a bunch of stubs to each identified 
individual and hope that someone with some knowledge of the individuals 
would come along and create the appropriate pages. Not having any 
experience creating wikipedia pages, I started reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article
And decided this was likely to go MUCH slower than I first thought.

So, if someone has some experience worthing with wikipedia.

My my new wikipedia username is wmckemie.

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[Roland via EV]

   
There is four cells per module.  Two cells in series and the two cells are in 
parallel with the other two cells in the module. 

 

Each cell is rated at 33.3 ah hour.  There is 27 modules per battery block.  
Three modules are parallel in each battery block becomes 27/3 = 9 cells groups 
per battery blocks.   

 

Three battery blocks becomes 3 x 9 = 27 cell groups.   There are two pair of 
cells in each module which is consider as 2 x 27 = 54 each 4.2 volt cells.  

 

Therefore 54 x 4.2 = 226.8 volts maximum.  

 

The six strings of cells then become 33.3 ah x 6 = 199.8 ah. 

 

These batteries are also double - double electrical isolated from the metal 
frame of the EV.  The batteries block set on a steel chassis plate that is on a 
1/2 inch insulation board bolted to the bottom of a 1/4 inch thick fiberglass 
with rubber insert nuts.  The outside of the battery box is insulated with 1/4 
inch rubberize marine carpet that sets in the bed of the pickup that is also 
insulated with another layer of marine carpet glue to 1-inch DOW Corning blue 
foam.  

 

When the on board charge is off, the battery is electrically disconnected from 
the charger and is also electrically disconnected from the motor control system.

 

The PFC-50B charger has a capacitor bank that holds a charge.  If you 
disconnect a link, there could be a arc if not disconnected.  Not good for 
fluid batteries the emits fumes.  

 

Also the DC-DC converters are disconnected with the ignition is turn off.  The 
only problem I had with this method, if your 12 volt battery dies, then it 
cannot turn on the converters.  I therefore use a backup unit which is a 12 
volt Schummacher Instant Start  and a 12 volt Schummacher charger/maintainer 
which is on while the main power cable is plug into the EV. 

 

Roland 

  


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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers



> I now have 45kW of Nissian battery pack in the EV.

> Parallel six strings of batteries for 226 volts per string for a total of 
> 199.8 AH.

I'm confused about the number of Leaf modules you have installed.  Each 
module is two cells and around 8 volts (8.4 max) and 60 AH of capacity.

226 volts would be 27-28 modules per string. If each string has 60 AH, I 
would expect the total of six strings to have  360 AH capacity. (Is the 
199.8 Ah capacity just your "usable" capacity? That seems very 
conservative.)

If you have 28 modules per string and 6 strings that would be 168 
modules, or 3.5 Leaf batteries, which would be around 84 kW, not 45 kW.

45 kW would be around 1.875 Leaf batteries, or 90 modules.


Jay
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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Jay Summet via EV]

I now have 45kW of Nissian battery pack in the EV.



Parallel six strings of batteries for 226 volts per string for a total of 199.8 
AH.


I'm confused about the number of Leaf modules you have installed.  Each 
module is two cells and around 8 volts (8.4 max) and 60 AH of capacity.


226 volts would be 27-28 modules per string. If each string has 60 AH, I 
would expect the total of six strings to have  360 AH capacity. (Is the 
199.8 Ah capacity just your "usable" capacity? That seems very 
conservative.)


If you have 28 modules per string and 6 strings that would be 168 
modules, or 3.5 Leaf batteries, which would be around 84 kW, not 45 kW.


45 kW would be around 1.875 Leaf batteries, or 90 modules.


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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

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Roland, you never compromise when you do something.  That's all-out 
awesome !

Peri

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Sent: 01-Oct-15 10:10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers



Yes, I am still here.  Been down in the dungeon up dating and up 
grading my EV. I now have 45kW of Nissian battery pack in the EV.  Can 
drive these steep hills and at speed of any other vehicles.  Increase 
the battery weight so I now can go up icy hills with no problems 
passing other vehicles with out any problems.




Parallel six strings of batteries for 226 volts per string for a total 
of 199.8 AH.




Sometime ago, I said the most negative cell has a 0.03 higher voltage 
then the most positive cell when charging about 50 ah.  Then when 
charging the most positive cell because about 0.03 volts higher than 
the most negative cell.




Normally all the cells voltage are in with 0.01 to 0.02 volts.  I am 
using the Orion BMS.




These cell modules are not group all together in one block.  There are 
three separate blocks space 6 inches apart and each module is space 
3/16 inches apart.  All battery blocks are space 2 to 5 inches from the 
battery box.  There is a internal blower fan that circulates the air 
inside the battery box, a input filter air blower to bring in outside 
air, and a exhaust fan to exhaust the battery box air.




The temperature never went above 80 F.  Normally its in the 60 to 70 F.



Using a PFC-50 charger set for the Li-Ion batteries at 95% maximum 
charge which is about 215 volts or about 4.0 volts per cell, each 
string is only being charge at about 8 amps per string or 48 amps/6. At 
this charge rate, it still only takes between 30 to 60 minutes to 
charge the battery pack.




Roland


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I just had my first notice of Charlie MacArthur and it occurs to me 
that
biographies of such EV pioneers are needed.  Gone are Charlie, Bob 
Rice,

Bob Beaumont.  And, of course many others.  Bob Beaumont does have a
wikipedia page:
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont>

though it is sadly lacking in detail.
Wikipedia seems like an ideal place to put such things.

Being a student of genealogy, I frequently lament "I wish I had
extracted that information while it was available!".  Speaking, of
course, about dead people.  The time to accumulate information is while
the subject is alive.

Currently living EV pioneers whose lives and contributions should be
documented would include: Otmar, Jukka, Bruce, David, Lee, Roland. 
Wayne

Alexander, Mary Ann Chapman, Gail Lucas, many of the sadly banned drag
racers (I know, only the subject is banned), and numerous others.  
Being

a relative newcomer to EVDL and EVs, I lack the knowledge to compile a
comprehensive list.

I notice Roland has been silent for a while.  I hope things are well
with him.

Does anyone else have an interest in preserving such history?

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Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

[Roland via EV]

   
Yes, I am still here.  Been down in the dungeon up dating and up grading my EV. 
I now have 45kW of Nissian battery pack in the EV.  Can drive these steep hills 
and at speed of any other vehicles.  Increase the battery weight so I now can 
go up icy hills with no problems passing other vehicles with out any problems.  

 

Parallel six strings of batteries for 226 volts per string for a total of 199.8 
AH. 

 

Sometime ago, I said the most negative cell has a 0.03 higher voltage then the 
most positive cell when charging about 50 ah.  Then when charging the most 
positive cell because about 0.03 volts higher than the most negative cell. 

 

Normally all the cells voltage are in with 0.01 to 0.02 volts.  I am using the 
Orion BMS. 

 

These cell modules are not group all together in one block.  There are three 
separate blocks space 6 inches apart and each module is space 3/16 inches 
apart.  All battery blocks are space 2 to 5 inches from the battery box.  There 
is a internal blower fan that circulates the air inside the battery box, a 
input filter air blower to bring in outside air, and a exhaust fan to exhaust 
the battery box air.  

 

The temperature never went above 80 F.  Normally its in the 60 to 70 F. 

 

Using a PFC-50 charger set for the Li-Ion batteries at 95% maximum charge which 
is about 215 volts or about 4.0 volts per cell, each string is only being 
charge at about 8 amps per string or 48 amps/6. At this charge rate, it still 
only takes between 30 to 60 minutes to charge the battery pack.  

 

Roland 


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I just had my first notice of Charlie MacArthur and it occurs to me that 
biographies of such EV pioneers are needed.  Gone are Charlie, Bob Rice, 
Bob Beaumont.  And, of course many others.  Bob Beaumont does have a 
wikipedia page:
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont>
though it is sadly lacking in detail.
Wikipedia seems like an ideal place to put such things.

Being a student of genealogy, I frequently lament "I wish I had 
extracted that information while it was available!".  Speaking, of 
course, about dead people.  The time to accumulate information is while 
the subject is alive.

Currently living EV pioneers whose lives and contributions should be 
documented would include: Otmar, Jukka, Bruce, David, Lee, Roland. Wayne 
Alexander, Mary Ann Chapman, Gail Lucas, many of the sadly banned drag 
racers (I know, only the subject is banned), and numerous others.  Being 
a relative newcomer to EVDL and EVs, I lack the knowledge to compile a 
comprehensive list.

I notice Roland has been silent for a while.  I hope things are well 
with him.

Does anyone else have an interest in preserving such history?

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]

I too was where you are now (as an EV newbie) back in the early 1990's when
I began my exploration of EVs in an effort to become knowledgeable enough to
get my hands on what EV would fit my needs, with the end goal of using it to
help/promote the EV-cause.

As you have seen, there are pioneers (EVangels) that have come before (even
before the ones you listed), that many will not know of their good EV deeds,
unless your idea (and I hope your efforts using your genealogy
experience/skills) to document these heroes, so that what they have done is
shared. In human history, the sharing of the knowledge (successes and its
failures) is what has let us grow/evolve/improve over time).

So, how does one go about this? 
Your post is a beginning (putting/sharing the idea out there), but as you
asked at its end, having more people to help with this would be a good thing
to do (is there interest with the idea?).

Way back at its beginning, as the Internet grew and developed, new ideas
were implemented. Some like Wikipedia took root, but it has grown to be used
in many more ways that originally thought. Since all its pages are easily
found by the search engines (a huge advantage for sharing knowledge), I
suggest an  EV pioneers  Wikipedia entry (page) be created (and maintained).

To bone-up/gain more knowledge quickly, I did some searches relative to EV
pioneer:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=EV+pioneers
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=electric+vehicle+pioneers
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=electric+car+pioneers
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wikipedia+electric+car+pioneers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Automotive_pioneers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont

What this (briefly) showed me, is who you consider are 'EV pioneers' should
be more defined, as there are individual pioneer pages on Wiki, main Wiki
pages (on that topic) referencing to those individual's pages, and links on
related Wiki pages referencing to the main Wiki page (I am defining the
format of what pages, their purpose, and how easily people/search-engines
will find them).

Bob-B's page was about him, and not the EV pioneer (Wiki) page you mentioned
that would have him mentioned with a link to his Wiki page. Bob's Wiki page
is a good format/template to draw from to build an individual's Wiki page
(perhaps if they have done enough to warrant that effort?).

The Automotive pioneers Wiki page (above URL) lists a whole lot of people
(all links to their own individual pages) without any description as to who
& where they are, nor their time reference. That list is sorted
alphabetically. Personally, I do not think alphabetically is a good way as
it seems too sterile/lacking.

Perhaps a Wiki  EV pioneer  page listing individuals sorted by their
EV-active begin dates (what year they began their EV-efforts). Their
individual pages will have all their detail, so the main  EV pioneers  Wiki
page would just list them, (sorted by the year they began).

The beauty of Wiki, is once a page has been created, it begins a life of its
own, with the people contributing (you let others do much of the work) to
its detail/usefulness.

So, I suggest you create an  EV pioneers  Wiki page (listing individual
pioneers), let others know of that page (perhaps in all the different plugin
forums) suggesting they contribute knowledge to it, and that individual's
Wiki page, etc.

At some point once created, your efforts become reduced to just
maintenance/overseeing major changes, etc. (that way you do not have to
dedicate your life to your idea, etc.).

Note: on each of the  EV pioneers pages (both the main list, and the
individuals), some key words like: pioneer, electric, vehicle, car,
automobile
 ... should be in them so the search engines will find them easier.

There are many people doing good EV deeds around the world, some will never
be known of. But perhaps those that have enough people that know of what
good EV deeds they have done will step-up and make the effort to share the
knowledge of them.

As you said, the time to begin this process is now, as we all are part of an
aging (a life on is a timeline), and it is all to easy to lose detail on
these EV pioneers ...




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Don't forget Wally Rippel, Robert Aronson, and Ron Gremban.  Wally
organized the 1968 Great American Electric Car Race between MIT and
Caltech.  Bob Aronson built limited production (40 ?) of Mars II Renault
electric car conversions and many other EV prototype cars as well as
supporting others in reviving EV interest.

George Swartz






> I just had my first notice of Charlie MacArthur and it occurs to me that
> biographies of such EV pioneers are needed.  Gone are Charlie, Bob Rice,
> Bob Beaumont.  And, of course many others.  Bob Beaumont does have a
> wikipedia page:
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont
> though it is sadly lacking in detail.
> Wikipedia seems like an ideal place to put such things.
>
> Being a student of genealogy, I frequently lament "I wish I had
> extracted that information while it was available!".  Speaking, of
> course, about dead people.  The time to accumulate information is while
> the subject is alive.
>
> Currently living EV pioneers whose lives and contributions should be
> documented would include: Otmar, Jukka, Bruce, David, Lee, Roland. Wayne
> Alexander, Mary Ann Chapman, Gail Lucas, many of the sadly banned drag
> racers (I know, only the subject is banned), and numerous others.  Being
> a relative newcomer to EVDL and EVs, I lack the knowledge to compile a
> comprehensive list.
>
> I notice Roland has been silent for a while.  I hope things are well
> with him.
>
> Does anyone else have an interest in preserving such history?
>
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[EVDL] EV pioneers

[Willie2 via EV]

I just had my first notice of Charlie MacArthur and it occurs to me that 
biographies of such EV pioneers are needed.  Gone are Charlie, Bob Rice, 
Bob Beaumont.  And, of course many others.  Bob Beaumont does have a 
wikipedia page:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Beaumont
though it is sadly lacking in detail.
Wikipedia seems like an ideal place to put such things.

Being a student of genealogy, I frequently lament "I wish I had 
extracted that information while it was available!".  Speaking, of 
course, about dead people.  The time to accumulate information is while 
the subject is alive.


Currently living EV pioneers whose lives and contributions should be 
documented would include: Otmar, Jukka, Bruce, David, Lee, Roland. Wayne 
Alexander, Mary Ann Chapman, Gail Lucas, many of the sadly banned drag 
racers (I know, only the subject is banned), and numerous others.  Being 
a relative newcomer to EVDL and EVs, I lack the knowledge to compile a 
comprehensive list.


I notice Roland has been silent for a while.  I hope things are well 
with him.


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