Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Kevin Horton via EV]

On Apr 9, 2024, at 11:51, John Lussmyer via EV  wrote:
> 
> On 4/9/2024 8:40 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
>>  Henry Ford made an affordable vehicle that was reduced in price over time, 
>> as production grew. Lawrence Rhodes
> 
> Anyone found a graph that shows the price of a Tesla 3 or Y over time - 
> adjusted for inflation?
> Has it gone up or down?

The following link is to a  Google Docs spreadsheet that shows price vs 
date for various Tesla models.  It is not adjusted for inflation though.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F5IQOynIawoXiJPVarLDgPQDJAdzY8b5Vamw-Vf3eSY/edit?pli=1#gid=779648749
Tesla Car Price History
docs.google.com

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On 4/9/2024 8:40 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

  Henry Ford made an affordable vehicle that was reduced in price over time, as 
production grew. Lawrence Rhodes


Anyone found a graph that shows the price of a Tesla 3 or Y over time - 
adjusted for inflation?

Has it gone up or down?

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Henry Ford made an affordable vehicle that was reduced in price over time, as 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 8 Apr 2024 at 12:53, Bill Dube via EV wrote:

> I suspect that the competition has recently heated up in the low end of 
> the EV market. It has evolved into the inevitable "race to the bottom." 
> I'm thinking that Elon has acknowledged the lack of profitability in 
> this market sector and has decided to gracefully bow out.
> 
> There was a news article in February that BYD launched their Qin Plus EV 
> Honor Edition car for $15k USD. It looks to be a four (or perhaps five 
> very slim) passenger sedan. $15k for a reasonably nice, basic, EV.

Interesting. is BYD really planning to sell that EV in the US and/or EU?  I 
saw it mentioned recently, but it looked like they were offering it only in 
China, at least for now.  

In Europe, Stellantis and Renault are gritted-teeth determined to tackle the 
cheap Chinese EVs head on, in the 19-23k euro range.  They say they'll build 
theirs in Europe.

You may call that a race to the bottom, and I see your point, but I call it 
opening up EV ownership to a wider range of people.  My impression is that, 
on average, Europeans spend much less on their vehicles than Americans do.  

Getting back to Tesla, you may be right that Musk has lost interest in 
selling low-cost / low-margin EVs. He might have been keen on it back in 
2008, writing it into his "master plan," but I think that his objectives 
have changed since.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Ryan Fulcher via EV]

It could be a fictitious BS rumor based on nothing...

On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 17:53 Bill Dube via EV  wrote:

> I suspect that the competition has recently heated up in the low end of
> the EV market. It has evolved into the inevitable "race to the bottom."
> I'm thinking that Elon has acknowledged the lack of profitability in
> this market sector and has decided to gracefully bow out.
>
> There was a news article in February that BYD launched their Qin Plus EV
> Honor Edition car for $15k USD. It looks to be a four (or perhaps five
> very slim) passenger sedan. $15k for a reasonably nice, basic, EV.
>
>  BYD has put a "shot across the bow" of Tesla with this vehicle.
>
> Bill D.
>
>
> On 4/8/2024 12:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> > It could be simply that a low cost model isn't exciting enough for
> > Musk. He likes being a disruptor, proving that he can do something
> > where no one else has succeeded. If he follows through with a
> > robotaxi, that would be huge. He would be upsetting the taxi and ride
> > share markets and have them at his knees. I think he would thrive on
> > that.
> >
> > Of course, all of that is predicated on full self driving. Who knows
> > where that stands...
> >
> > Peri
> >
> > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message ------
> > From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> > Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
> > Sent: 07-Apr-24 16:58:09
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?
> >
> >> Cleantechnica has an interesting take on this story.  They point out
> >> that,
> >> if it's true, it's a deviation from Tesla's claimed "master plan" to
> >> use the
> >> profits from luxury vehicles to develop affordable mass-market EVs.
> >>
> >> Who knows, maybe Musk thinks he's done enough for us poor folks with the
> >> M3/Y, and he can scratch that goal off the list.
> >>
> >>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/05/musk-no-tesla-model-2-for-you-maybe/
> >>
> >>
> >> "The Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson details in exquisite
> >> detail how
> >> a group of Tesla engineers lobbied Elon Musk for years to give up his
> >> fixation on robotaxis and get on with the business of making a less
> >> expensive mass market car. [...]
> >>
> >> "But according to a report by Reuters on April 5, 2024, Tesla has
> >> canceled
> >> the Model 2 and will resume its efforts to build robotaxis. So, here
> >> we are
> >> back at square one again. I should have written this as my April Fool´s
> >> article, but no one would have believed it. It is too fanciful, too far
> >> fetched to have any credibility, but it is true nonetheless according to
> >> three company insiders and an internal memo seen by Reuters.
> >>
> >> The decision represents an abandonment of a long standing goal that Elon
> >> Musk has articulated several times in his "secret" master plans -
> >> building
> >> affordable electric cars for the masses. His first "master plan" in 2006
> >> specifically called for manufacturing luxury models first, then using
> >> the
> >> profits to finance a 'low cost family car.' [...]
> >>
> >> "[Editor´s note: Since Steve wrote this, we have seen a tweet from
> >> Elon Musk
> >> that a Tesla robotaxi reveal will be on August 8th."
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> About that last paragraph: what Musk actually wrote on Twitter was
> >> "Tesla
> >> Robotaxi reveal on 8/8.". Why THAT date?  "88" is a white supremacy
> >> and Nazi
> >> symbol.  I hope the date is just a coincidence.  Musk's trolling is
> >> already
> >> turning off potential Tesla customers.
> >>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Bill Dube via EV]

I suspect that the competition has recently heated up in the low end of 
the EV market. It has evolved into the inevitable "race to the bottom." 
I'm thinking that Elon has acknowledged the lack of profitability in 
this market sector and has decided to gracefully bow out.


There was a news article in February that BYD launched their Qin Plus EV 
Honor Edition car for $15k USD. It looks to be a four (or perhaps five 
very slim) passenger sedan. $15k for a reasonably nice, basic, EV.


    BYD has put a "shot across the bow" of Tesla with this vehicle.

Bill D.


On 4/8/2024 12:29 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
It could be simply that a low cost model isn't exciting enough for 
Musk. He likes being a disruptor, proving that he can do something 
where no one else has succeeded. If he follows through with a 
robotaxi, that would be huge. He would be upsetting the taxi and ride 
share markets and have them at his knees. I think he would thrive on 
that.


Of course, all of that is predicated on full self driving. Who knows 
where that stands...


Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

Cleantechnica has an interesting take on this story.  They point out 
that,
if it's true, it's a deviation from Tesla's claimed "master plan" to 
use the

profits from luxury vehicles to develop affordable mass-market EVs.

Who knows, maybe Musk thinks he's done enough for us poor folks with the
M3/Y, and he can scratch that goal off the list.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/05/musk-no-tesla-model-2-for-you-maybe/ 



"The Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson details in exquisite 
detail how

a group of Tesla engineers lobbied Elon Musk for years to give up his
fixation on robotaxis and get on with the business of making a less
expensive mass market car. [...]

"But according to a report by Reuters on April 5, 2024, Tesla has 
canceled
the Model 2 and will resume its efforts to build robotaxis. So, here 
we are

back at square one again. I should have written this as my April Fool´s
article, but no one would have believed it. It is too fanciful, too far
fetched to have any credibility, but it is true nonetheless according to
three company insiders and an internal memo seen by Reuters.

The decision represents an abandonment of a long standing goal that Elon
Musk has articulated several times in his "secret" master plans - 
building

affordable electric cars for the masses. His first "master plan" in 2006
specifically called for manufacturing luxury models first, then using 
the

profits to finance a 'low cost family car.' [...]

"[Editor´s note: Since Steve wrote this, we have seen a tweet from 
Elon Musk

that a Tesla robotaxi reveal will be on August 8th."

-

About that last paragraph: what Musk actually wrote on Twitter was 
"Tesla
Robotaxi reveal on 8/8.". Why THAT date?  "88" is a white supremacy 
and Nazi
symbol.  I hope the date is just a coincidence.  Musk's trolling is 
already

turning off potential Tesla customers.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Peri Hartman via EV]

It could be simply that a low cost model isn't exciting enough for Musk. 
He likes being a disruptor, proving that he can do something where no 
one else has succeeded. If he follows through with a robotaxi, that 
would be huge. He would be upsetting the taxi and ride share markets and 
have them at his knees. I think he would thrive on that.


Of course, all of that is predicated on full self driving. Who knows 
where that stands...


Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?


Cleantechnica has an interesting take on this story.  They point out that,
if it's true, it's a deviation from Tesla's claimed "master plan" to use the
profits from luxury vehicles to develop affordable mass-market EVs.

Who knows, maybe Musk thinks he's done enough for us poor folks with the
M3/Y, and he can scratch that goal off the list.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/05/musk-no-tesla-model-2-for-you-maybe/

"The Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson details in exquisite detail how
a group of Tesla engineers lobbied Elon Musk for years to give up his
fixation on robotaxis and get on with the business of making a less
expensive mass market car. [...]

"But according to a report by Reuters on April 5, 2024, Tesla has canceled
the Model 2 and will resume its efforts to build robotaxis. So, here we are
back at square one again. I should have written this as my April Fool´s
article, but no one would have believed it. It is too fanciful, too far
fetched to have any credibility, but it is true nonetheless according to
three company insiders and an internal memo seen by Reuters.

The decision represents an abandonment of a long standing goal that Elon
Musk has articulated several times in his "secret" master plans - building
affordable electric cars for the masses. His first "master plan" in 2006
specifically called for manufacturing luxury models first, then using the
profits to finance a 'low cost family car.' [...]

"[Editor´s note: Since Steve wrote this, we have seen a tweet from Elon Musk
that a Tesla robotaxi reveal will be on August 8th."

-

About that last paragraph: what Musk actually wrote on Twitter was "Tesla
Robotaxi reveal on 8/8.". Why THAT date?  "88" is a white supremacy and Nazi
symbol.  I hope the date is just a coincidence.  Musk's trolling is already
turning off potential Tesla customers.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[EV List Lackey via EV]

Cleantechnica has an interesting take on this story.  They point out that, 
if it's true, it's a deviation from Tesla's claimed "master plan" to use the 
profits from luxury vehicles to develop affordable mass-market EVs.

Who knows, maybe Musk thinks he's done enough for us poor folks with the 
M3/Y, and he can scratch that goal off the list.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/05/musk-no-tesla-model-2-for-you-maybe/

"The Elon Musk biography by Walter Isaacson details in exquisite detail how 
a group of Tesla engineers lobbied Elon Musk for years to give up his 
fixation on robotaxis and get on with the business of making a less 
expensive mass market car. [...]

"But according to a report by Reuters on April 5, 2024, Tesla has canceled 
the Model 2 and will resume its efforts to build robotaxis. So, here we are 
back at square one again. I should have written this as my April Fool´s 
article, but no one would have believed it. It is too fanciful, too far 
fetched to have any credibility, but it is true nonetheless according to 
three company insiders and an internal memo seen by Reuters.

The decision represents an abandonment of a long standing goal that Elon 
Musk has articulated several times in his "secret" master plans - building 
affordable electric cars for the masses. His first "master plan" in 2006 
specifically called for manufacturing luxury models first, then using the 
profits to finance a 'low cost family car.' [...]

"[Editor´s note: Since Steve wrote this, we have seen a tweet from Elon Musk 
that a Tesla robotaxi reveal will be on August 8th."

-

About that last paragraph: what Musk actually wrote on Twitter was "Tesla 
Robotaxi reveal on 8/8.". Why THAT date?  "88" is a white supremacy and Nazi 
symbol.  I hope the date is just a coincidence.  Musk's trolling is already 
turning off potential Tesla customers.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On 4/6/2024 11:40 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:

Ryan Shaw has a YouTube Channel where he reported on a number of
details and speculations about the cancelation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiHPJVlX00I

I've been trying Full Self-driving and my wife describes it as "being
an adult in a car with a first time teenage driver at the wheel".
Whenever we use FSD, we are nervous to very nervous as it can be in
charge up to a point.  I don't see how people can let their hands off


Also, it matters what version of FSD your experiences are from.  The new 
12.3 is getting rave reviews.



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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Peter Eckhoff via EV]

Ryan Shaw has a YouTube Channel where he reported on a number of
details and speculations about the cancelation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiHPJVlX00I

I've been trying Full Self-driving and my wife describes it as "being
an adult in a car with a first time teenage driver at the wheel".
Whenever we use FSD, we are nervous to very nervous as it can be in
charge up to a point.  I don't see how people can let their hands off
the wheel.  Here are some of our experiences: First, it accelerates
quickly around a right hand turn where the road was not banked
properly (felt like we could go over). Second are potholes, depressed
manhole cover avoidance that I try to avoid - it's oblivious to them.
Third, in turning right into a narrow two car wide driveway from a
busy 45 mph 2-lane highway, the car almost stops with quite a bit of
hesitation to line up properly. Fourth, it gets us to the curb outside
our home but NOT up our driveway (and NOT in backed in for home
charging). Our rear end ends up sticking out into the roadway. There
are others but most are of a similar nature.

I just went out to the car and set the FSD driving mode to Chill. That
might have an effect on the right hand turn mentioned in "First"
above.


On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 11:39 AM EV List Lackey via EV  wrote:
>
> On 6 Apr 2024 at 4:34, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
>
> > robotaxis
>
> A possibly interesting bit of EV trivia:
>
> The "modern" robotaxi archetype is arguably the Johnny-cab from the 1990
> film Total Recall.
>
> Jim Tervort - who I think is still with us on this old earth - was part of
> the original Sebring Citicar and CVI Comuta-Car / Comuta-Van crews.  In the
> late 1980s and 1990s, he sold parts for those EVs, and worked on a 3-wheeler
> EV design, from the Sebring FL airport hangar.
>
> Jim said that Total Recall's Johnny-cab was an extensively reworked Comuta-
> Van. Check out the clips on Youtube and see if you can see the resemblance.
>
> Another FWIW: an EV I once owned was the sound effect source for the Johnny-
> cab and other Total Recall EVs.
>
> It was a converted 1974 Honda Civic, typical for the time - 96 volts of golf
> car batteries, a Prestolite MTC4001 DC series motor, and a Curtis PMC-25 PWM
> controller.
>
> The previous owner lived in the LA area. The film's foley crew got in touch
> with him through the EAA.  They drove a sound truck out to his house and
> spent a few hours recording him driving the car.
>
> They actually recorded several other conversion EVs, but they chose the
> Honda because they liked its transaxle's gear noise.
>
> There are places in Total Recall where you can clearly hear the 2kHz Curtis
> chopping whine as the EVs accelerate.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

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On 6 Apr 2024 at 4:34, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:

> robotaxis 

A possibly interesting bit of EV trivia:

The "modern" robotaxi archetype is arguably the Johnny-cab from the 1990 
film Total Recall.

Jim Tervort - who I think is still with us on this old earth - was part of 
the original Sebring Citicar and CVI Comuta-Car / Comuta-Van crews.  In the 
late 1980s and 1990s, he sold parts for those EVs, and worked on a 3-wheeler 
EV design, from the Sebring FL airport hangar.  

Jim said that Total Recall's Johnny-cab was an extensively reworked Comuta-
Van. Check out the clips on Youtube and see if you can see the resemblance.

Another FWIW: an EV I once owned was the sound effect source for the Johnny-
cab and other Total Recall EVs.

It was a converted 1974 Honda Civic, typical for the time - 96 volts of golf 
car batteries, a Prestolite MTC4001 DC series motor, and a Curtis PMC-25 PWM 
controller.

The previous owner lived in the LA area. The film's foley crew got in touch 
with him through the EAA.  They drove a sound truck out to his house and 
spent a few hours recording him driving the car.  

They actually recorded several other conversion EVs, but they chose the 
Honda because they liked its transaxle's gear noise.

There are places in Total Recall where you can clearly hear the 2kHz Curtis 
chopping whine as the EVs accelerate.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[paul dove via EV]

If it’s rumor…. Why talk about it at all?


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On Friday, April 5, 2024, 9:35 PM, EV List Lackey via EV  
wrote:

Reuters is reporting that Tesla has suspended or cancelled its program to 
produce a low-cost EV, in favor of developing "robotaxis" instead.

Elon Musk posted on twitter that "Reuters is lying (again)," but didn't 
provide any specifics.

Reuters cited 3 anonymous sources inside Tesla.

"Two sources said they learned of Tesla's decision to scrap the Model 2 in a 
meeting attended by scores of employees, with one of them saying the 
gathering happened in late February ... The third source confirmed the 
cancellation and said new plans call for robotaxis to be produced, but in 
much lower volumes than had been projected for the Model 2."

I'm always skeptical when a news source won't or can't identify its sources, 
so it's probably better to classify this as a rumor for now.  

My own view, for what it's worth, which isn't much:

If this rumor turns out to be accurate, it could mean that Tesla is reducing 
its focus on sales growth for the sake of per-unit profit growth. That might 
also explain why Tesla has started raising its prices again.

It would put Tesla in the company of several traditional automakers that are 
abandoning or downplaying affordable vehicles in both EVs and ICEVs, 
essentially telling potential lower-income customers to get lost.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-scraps-low-cost-
car-plans-amid-fierce-chinese-ev-competition-2024-04-05/

or https://v.gd/i172zg

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

[Kevin Horton via EV]

Tesla knows that they need a lower cost line of vehicles if they wish to keep 
growing sales.  So they will certainly do such a thing.

Possible interpretations of this rumor:

1. The lower cost vehicle project is being restructured in some way.  Perhaps 
the original concept is being dropped and it will be replaced by some new idea.

2. Someone is feeding the rumor mill because they want the stock to drop so 
they can buy a bunch of shares at a cheaper price.

My money is on option 2.

Kevin

> On Apr 5, 2024, at 21:34, EV List Lackey via EV  wrote:
> 
> Reuters is reporting that Tesla has suspended or cancelled its program to 
> produce a low-cost EV, in favor of developing "robotaxis" instead.
> 
> Elon Musk posted on twitter that "Reuters is lying (again)," but didn't 
> provide any specifics.
> 
> Reuters cited 3 anonymous sources inside Tesla.
> 
> "Two sources said they learned of Tesla's decision to scrap the Model 2 in a 
> meeting attended by scores of employees, with one of them saying the 
> gathering happened in late February ... The third source confirmed the 
> cancellation and said new plans call for robotaxis to be produced, but in 
> much lower volumes than had been projected for the Model 2."
> 
> I'm always skeptical when a news source won't or can't identify its sources, 
> so it's probably better to classify this as a rumor for now.  
> 
> My own view, for what it's worth, which isn't much:
> 
> If this rumor turns out to be accurate, it could mean that Tesla is reducing 
> its focus on sales growth for the sake of per-unit profit growth. That might 
> also explain why Tesla has started raising its prices again.
> 
> It would put Tesla in the company of several traditional automakers that are 
> abandoning or downplaying affordable vehicles in both EVs and ICEVs, 
> essentially telling potential lower-income customers to get lost.
> 
> https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-scraps-low-cost-
> car-plans-amid-fierce-chinese-ev-competition-2024-04-05/
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> or https://v.gd/i172zg
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