Re: Quran Audio

[Bruno Marchal]

30s and 50s) and I disliked it  
because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin,  
Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked  it because of  
unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi,  
etc.)
I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust  
cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings,  etc.)
In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it  
becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the  
Inquisition etc.
I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty  
against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against  
themselves.
I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them,  
too.
I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (=  
global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).

JM



On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias  
 wrote:

I suppose you can call it that :)
People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices,  
misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the  
practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any  
who might want to check for themselves.
Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some  
will object anyway.


Samiya

On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote:



Doing Dawa? Interesting.



-Original Message-
From: Samiya Illias 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
Subject: Quran Audio

A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus  
Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:  http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/


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Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

On 14 June 2015 at 02:38, John Clark  wrote:

>
> What the hell?! If Allah had an ounce of moral character He should be
> asking for our forgiveness and stop demanding that we thank and love our
> torturer.
>

Well said.

Religion appears to be Stockholm syndrome writ large.

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Re: Quran Audio

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 Samiya Illias  wrote:


> > I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves
> as atheists even bother to respond to my posts.
>

Since you admit you don't understand I will inform you: it's because people
who peddle religious "ideas" have caused more misery and ignorance in the
world than anybody else on the planet so their pronouncements should not go
unchallenged.


> I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the
> scriptures.
>

The stuff in Mother Goose or Grimms' Fairy Tales is not nearly as
ridiculous as much of the crap in the Quran or the Bible, so are they
scripture too? If not why not?


> > The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to
> first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil
>

It's the 21th century not the 9th but people are still babbling about evil
spirits!  But never mind, let's assume that the Devil does exist; I know
that history is written by the victors and the Devel seems to have come off
second best in that long ago war in heaven that Lucifer lost and exiled him
to hell, but from a strictly moral point of view can you think of anything
that demonstrates that Allah is morally superior to the Devil?   Mr.
Lucifer Beelzebub Satan may have been a bit naughty at times but he never
came close to committing the monstrous evils that Allah did, like torturing
millions of sentient beings that He created for an infinite and not just
astronomical number of years, or giving a young child bone cancer.

> Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness
>

What the hell?! If Allah had an ounce of moral character He should be
asking for our forgiveness and stop demanding that we thank and love our
torturer.

  John K Clark

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Re: Quran Audio

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

What is inaccurate? More importantly, what is popularly believed and acted upon 
by the Uma, by, the Judges making Fatwas? Taquiyya, for the Qfar, won't help 
matters. It is ultimately how people behave, no matter what Quran, or Soonah, 
or Bukhari instructs. Beyond this, if God is logical, and I assume he is, then 
How does he do things like bring forth a universe. The How questions eclipse 
the Why questions. The How questions inform, the why questions close the 
pursuit of knowledge, suprisingly. 
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Samiya Illias 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2015 12:01 am
Subject: Re: Quran Audio


 
Dear All,  
 
I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as 
we seem to just keep repeating ourselves.  
 
I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as 
atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who 
consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might 
find the answers to the questions in their heart.  
 
A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the 
Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to 
misguide those who seek guidance.  
 
Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text 
also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures 
enlighten us. Amen.  
 
  
 
 
Samiya  
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List <  
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  
  
 
 
  
Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young 
Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it 
was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy 
corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, 
but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom 
(gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts.   I over 
simplify on all this, but I  believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, 
that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or 
infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to 
the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered.   

   
   
Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the 
Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the 
uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for 
being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal 
damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? 
There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and 
reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of 
behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and 
think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and 
humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. 

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM
Subject: Re: Quran Audio


 
  
   

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias  wrote:
 
 
 
  
   

   
   

 
 >> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts 
 >> the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim 
 >> full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?   

   
  
  
   
  
 
 > briefly (concentrate on science) 

   
  
 
 
  
 
 
 If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.
   
Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one 
Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 
1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First Muslim 
Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus 
Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased from his 
tombstone.

 

 
 
  
   

 
 > The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers 
 > (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) 
 > of which experiment with, damage, kill live human

Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

Well, one point at least.

On 13 June 2015 at 16:23, LizR  wrote:

> The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it
> should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical
> questions that might be asked of it.
>
> On 13 June 2015 at 16:01, Samiya Illias  wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>> I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this
>> thread as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves.
>> I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as
>> atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those
>> who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they
>> might find the answers to the questions in their heart.
>> A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one
>> studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who
>> attempts to misguide those who seek guidance.
>> Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and
>> the text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the
>> scriptures enlighten us. Amen.
>>
>> Samiya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a
>> young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I
>> asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the
>> women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great
>> reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and
>> the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying
>> Allah's eddicts.   I over simplify on all this, but I  believe also, that
>> islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of
>> Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that
>> true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be
>> offered.
>>
>> Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in
>> the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves,
>> with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero
>> incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel.
>> Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and
>> friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that
>> can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put
>> the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how
>> the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would
>> consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to
>> the traitors to God.
>>
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Clark 
>> To: everything-list 
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Quran Audio
>>
>>
>>   On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias  wrote:
>>
>>  >> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study
>> scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans
>> and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
>>
>>
>>  > briefly (concentrate on science)
>>
>>
>>  If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.
>>
>> Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only
>> one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry
>> in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First
>> Muslim Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed
>> that Abdus Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be
>> erased from his tombstone.
>>
>>
>>   > The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers
>> (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military /
>> businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals,
>> destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders of human
>> civilisation!
>>
>>
>>  Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if
>> they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder
>> and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about
>> how a H-bomb works or ev

Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it
should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical
questions that might be asked of it.

On 13 June 2015 at 16:01, Samiya Illias  wrote:

> Dear All,
> I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread
> as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves.
> I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as
> atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those
> who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they
> might find the answers to the questions in their heart.
> A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies
> the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts
> to misguide those who seek guidance.
> Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the
> text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the
> scriptures enlighten us. Amen.
>
> Samiya
>
>
>
>
> On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a
> young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I
> asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the
> women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great
> reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and
> the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying
> Allah's eddicts.   I over simplify on all this, but I  believe also, that
> islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of
> Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that
> true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be
> offered.
>
> Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in
> the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves,
> with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero
> incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel.
> Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and
> friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that
> can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put
> the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how
> the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would
> consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to
> the traitors to God.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Quran Audio
>
>
>   On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias  wrote:
>
>  >> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study
> scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans
> and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
>
>
>  > briefly (concentrate on science)
>
>
>  If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.
>
> Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one
> Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in
> 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First
> Muslim Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed
> that Abdus Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be
> erased from his tombstone.
>
>
>   > The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers
> (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military /
> businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals,
> destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders of human
> civilisation!
>
>
>  Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if
> they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder
> and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about
> how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but
> that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be
> used.  And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a
> different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you
> shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when
> you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's works

Re: Quran Audio

[Samiya Illias]

Dear All, 
I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as 
we seem to just keep repeating ourselves. 
I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as 
atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who 
consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might 
find the answers to the questions in their heart. 
A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the 
Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to 
misguide those who seek guidance. 
Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text 
also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures 
enlighten us. Amen. 

Samiya 




> On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a 
> young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I 
> asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, 
> etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward 
> driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual 
> notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's 
> eddicts.   I over simplify on all this, but I  believe also, that islamic 
> teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that 
> we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never 
> to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered.
> 
> Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the 
> Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the 
> uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive 
> for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes 
> eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering 
> Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the 
> punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of 
> reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other 
> fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider 
> themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors 
> to God. 
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Clark 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Quran Audio
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias  wrote: 
> 
> >> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts 
> >> the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and 
> >> claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?  
> 
> > briefly (concentrate on science)
> 
> If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.  
> Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one 
> Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 
> 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First 
> Muslim Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed that 
> Abdus Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased 
> from his tombstone.
>   
> > The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers 
> > (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / 
> > businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, 
> > destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders of human 
> > civilisation!
> 
> Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they 
> should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his 
> fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a 
> H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that 
> doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used.  And 
> Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different 
> religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear 
> death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll 
> live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination 
> of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination.  .
> 
> > A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently 
> > explore the scriptures!   
> 
> I don't see how read

Re: Quran Audio

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young 
Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it 
was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy 
corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, 
but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom 
(gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts.   I over 
simplify on all this, but I  believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, 
that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or 
infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to 
the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered.

Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the 
Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the 
uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for 
being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal 
damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? 
There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and 
reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of 
behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and 
think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and 
humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. 

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM
Subject: Re: Quran Audio





 
  
   
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias 
<mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com";>samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:





 
  
   

 
  
   

>> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the 
>> followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full 
>> credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?  

   
  
 
 

  

 


> briefly (concentrate on science)

   
  
 



 




If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.  
Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one 
Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 
1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First Muslim 
Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus 
Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased from his 
tombstone.
   
   


 
 



 
  
   


> The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers 
> (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) 
> of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy 
> ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders of human 
> civilisation!

   
  
 



 




Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they 
should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his 
fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb 
works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't 
prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used.  And Islam says 
you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious 
franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because 
if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in 
Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and 
stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination.  .



 



 
  
   


> A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently 
> explore the scriptures!  
 


   
  
 



 




I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age tribes will 
help, not even if your mommy and daddy said it will.   



 




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Re: Quran Audio

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015  Samiya Illias  wrote:

>> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts
>> the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim
>> full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
>>
>
> > briefly (concentrate on science)
>

If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims.
Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one
Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in
1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said "First
Muslim Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani government officially decreed
that Abdus Salam  was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word "Muslim" be
erased from his tombstone.


> > The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers
> (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military /
> businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals,
> destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders of human
> civilisation!
>

Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if
they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder
and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about
how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but
that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be
used.  And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a
different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you
shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when
you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we
have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous
combination.  .

> A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to
> urgently explore the scriptures!
>

I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age tribes
will help, not even if your mommy and daddy said it will.

 John K Clark

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Re: Quran Audio

[John Mikes]

cause
>>>> of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot
>>>> etc.)
>>>> I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked  it because of unjust
>>>> cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.)
>>>> I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust
>>>> cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings,  etc.)
>>>> In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it
>>>> becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the
>>>> Inquisition etc.
>>>> I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against
>>>> women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves.
>>>> I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them,
>>>> too.
>>>> I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (=
>>>> global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
>>>> JM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you can call it that :)
>>>>> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices,
>>>>> misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of
>>>>> Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to
>>>>> check for themselves.
>>>>> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some
>>>>> will object anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samiya
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>>>>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Samiya Illias 
>>>>> To: everything-list 
>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
>>>>> Subject: Quran Audio
>>>>>
>>>>>  A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
>>>>> Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
>>>>> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
>>>>>
>>>>>  Samiya
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Re: Quran Audio

[Kim Jones]

On 12 Jun 2015, at 9:31 am, LizR  wrote:

>> The difference between the three "Abrahamic" religions (according to Bill 
>> Maher):
>> 
>> Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling
>> 
>> Judaism = mumbling to the wall
>> 
>> Islam = mumbling to the floor
> I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this 
> just Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even 
> more exclusive than Judism?!)

This is precisely what Neale Donald Walsch did ("Conversations with God" and 
associated website etc.) Well, he didn't so much start a religion as try to 
straighten peoples' heads out about religion generally.

He did this by assuming that the 'voice within' is God. We are therefore all of 
us God. Every conversation you have with yourself is a conversation with God. 
So, God is the Great Lapsed Solipsist who needs up to 7 billion differing human 
perspectives to get a feel for himself. Every solipsist is a tile in a gigantic 
mosaic consisting of other solipsists. The net result of all these parallel 
inputs is presumably what God is plugged into. 

Solipsism the philosophical stance is not a philosophy at all because if real, 
it cannot be argued with.  Solipsism is probably nothing more than the 
perception of that truth. If I can call myself a solipsist and find evidence 
for that then solipsism must be real and that settles it then. There is only 
one mind. A "solipsistic person" would be one who merely asserts a simple 
truth. I tend to think that solipsism is the opposite extreme to fascism. A 
personality type, therefore. 

N'est-ce pas?

K

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Re: Quran Audio

[meekerdb]

On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias > wrote:


On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes mailto:jami...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If this "John" is me:

to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study 
scripts the
followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim 
full
credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?


briefly (concentrate on science) The same reason why people should study the
sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments /
military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans 
and
animals, destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit for being leaders 
of human
civilisation!


A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially 
after our
centuries of enlightenment.


 'our centuries of enlightenment'? really? creating deadly weapons of mass
destruction and using them, poisoning the planet and creating imbalance in 
the
ecosystem, rendering entire species extinct, toying with the weather, ...
enlightenment??? and where can we run away from it all? except in trying to 
find
meaning in this suffering and trial?



We can't.  We must solve the problems where they are.  But remember that those deadly 
weapons of mass destruction have only been used once, and with reasonable justification to 
end "mass destruction" without the aid of such weapons.  And the imbalances in the 
ecosystem and species extinction are consequences of having more people with more material 
security, more freedom and better healthcare.  Your co-religionists do not propose to 
solve or even address these problems.  Their attention is on theological and territorial 
squabbles, and superstitious eschatologies.




A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently 
explore
the scriptures!



No, it's a reason to get rid of scriptures and pay attention to people and the 
world.

Brent

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Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes  wrote:
>
>> If this "John" is me:
>>
>> to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts
>> the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim
>> full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
>>
>
> briefly (concentrate on science) The same reason why people should study
> the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians /
> governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill
> live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc.  and claim full credit
> for being leaders of human civilisation!
>
>>
>> A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially
>> after our centuries of enlightenment.
>>
>
>  'our centuries of enlightenment'? really? creating deadly weapons of mass
> destruction and using them, poisoning the planet and creating imbalance in
> the ecosystem, rendering entire species extinct, toying with the weather,
> ... enlightenment??? and where can we run away from it all? except in
> trying to find meaning in this suffering and trial?
>
> A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to
> urgently explore the scriptures!
>
> Two very good answers, even if I happen to disagree with them.

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Re: Quran Audio

[Samiya Illias]

gt; I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too.
>>> I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (=
>>> global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
>>> JM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suppose you can call it that :)
>>>> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings,
>>>> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just
>>>> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for
>>>> themselves.
>>>> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will
>>>> object anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Samiya
>>>>
>>>> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>>>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -Original Message-
>>>> From: Samiya Illias 
>>>> To: everything-list 
>>>> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
>>>> Subject: Quran Audio
>>>>
>>>>  A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
>>>> Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
>>>> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
>>>>
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Re: Quran Audio

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I wouldn't go to Maher for insight anymore then I would go to him for humor. 
Let the bastard start writing his own jokes again, for once. Solipsism 
interests me, because we need to know who is thinking the Great Thought, and 
start asking for changes. If it is a Boltzmann Brain, then again we are back to 
religion. :-(  



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From: LizR 
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Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 07:31 PM
Subject: Re: Quran Audio





 
  
   
On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones 
<mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au";>kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:



 
  
   

On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark <
 mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com";>johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
 


   
   

 
The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the 
Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap.
 
 
  

 
 
  John K Clark  
 
 

   
   

The difference between the three "Abrahamic" religions (according to Bill 
Maher):


   
  

   

  
  

Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling
  
  

   

  
  

Judaism = mumbling to the wall
  
  

   

  
  

Islam = mumbling to the floor
  
  


 


 



I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this just 
Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even more 
exclusive than Judism?!)



 


   
  
  
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Re: Quran Audio

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I do not know if God is helping us. I do suspect that the only thing that we 
can ask God for strength, one can receive a boost of sorts. BB's are so 
fantastical that this seems to be unreal, though a serious conjecture. The 
"true God" phrase reminds me of the battle between immigrant Irish and local 
native protestant locals that were depicted in the movie. Gangs of New York. In 
the film, curses were shouted as well as challenges. One of these was, "Come 
meet the true God!"  You can see the same thing today with the conflict in 
Iraq, Syria, Saudi and Pakistan, between Sunni and Shia. Humbleness is always a 
nice aspect for people, but then so does musical talent. Welcome, but not 
essential. Monotheist doesn't always mean wise or kind, and Polytheist doesn't 
always mean crazy, of stupid, or even more bloodthirsty. It all depends on 
behavior.As far a God or no God, if there is a physical means for an afterlife, 
and that afterlife is good, then we may have the answer to 75 percent of human 
problems. 


-Original Message-
From: Samiya Illias 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Quran Audio


 
  
  
   
   
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:50 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:

 Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the "real world" to conform, 
nicely, to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that 
there is a divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of the 
past wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed as we 
are) come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are unreasonable, we 
are unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply religious of this 
world and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to the world, out of not 
only fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame, brought to themselves and 
their group. We are the one's that require help, not God, yet, for inscrutable 
reasons He decline help. 

 


According to my understanding, God is continuously offering to help, while most 
of us stubbornly decline help. God will not impose faith and good deeds on us, 
we have to WILL faith and choose to be guided to the right course of action.
 

 

  
 This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself, again, 
inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our views 
religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious as any 
mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named after 19th 
century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann was not a 
Yahhoodi, but a German, german. 

 


Why would I fear a ' Yahhoodi'? Jews are monotheists like Muslims, and the 
Quran is full of examples from Jewish history, to remind them that this is a 
continuation of the same message, and to guide us, lest we make the same errors 
that they did. Moreover, the Quran also speaks highly of the Jews who truly 
believe. I suppose the same is true for Muslims and people of other religions. 
God knows the hearts of all, and is best able to appreciate. 

 

 Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 'Observer' of some kind to 
operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be intelligent, and non-human, 
and having its own false memories of life, and also hyper-intelligent. Back in 
2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a paper called, The Census Taker's 
Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's thermodynamics, and more or less supported 
these contentions. 


 


Interesting. I'll try to look it up later today.  

  
 Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have 
seen BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting 
speculation, and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans? Ah! 


 


I suppose it helps us realise that there is much, much more to the larger 
picture than we humans can perceive, and thus we do need to seek guidance 
intelligently. Its humbling, and humbling before the One True God liberates us 
from humbling before all others. That is, I think, the most crucial role of the 
scriptures! 

 


Samiya 

 


   

  
 For more madness-

https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream   
   
   

   
   

   
   
   -Original Message-
 From: Samiya Illias 
 To: everything-list 
   

 Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am 
 Subject: Re: Quran Audio 
  
  
   

 I suppose you can call it that :) 

 People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, 
queries and (dis)int

Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones  wrote:

> On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark  wrote:
>
> The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I
> think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap.
>
>   John K Clark
>
> The difference between the three "Abrahamic" religions (according to Bill
> Maher):
>
> Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling
>
> Judaism = mumbling to the wall
>
> Islam = mumbling to the floor
>
> I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this
just Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even
more exclusive than Judism?!)

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Re: Quran Audio

[LizR]

On 12 June 2015 at 04:34, John Clark  wrote:

> The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I
> think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap.
>
> My sister in law is a Baha'i and they certainly don't think they're all
crap - their attitude is more that all religions see "some aspects of the
truth"

(Just for the record. I realist your comment was probably intended to be
tongue in cheek.)

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Re: Quran Audio

[Kim Jones]

> On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think 
> the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap.
> 
>   John K Clark  


The difference between the three "Abrahamic" religions (according to Bill 
Maher):

Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling

Judaism = mumbling to the wall

Islam = mumbling to the floor

Kim

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Re: Quran Audio

[John Mikes]

If this "John" is me:

to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts
the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim
full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?

A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after
our centuries of enlightenment.

Thanks for reflecting

John M

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias 
wrote:

> John,
> I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I get
> the impression that you were studying the human condition: the results of
> (mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions / ideologies and
> naturally being revolted by it!
> Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures: desires
> which within moral limits are permissible and constructive for the
> evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed all bounds and
> have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to understand is that
> their actions are essentially self-destructive. According to my study of
> the scriptures, time and again, whenever human civilisations advanced to
> the point of self-destruction, the Most Compassionate, True God has
> intervened, first by sending His Messengers and His Scriptures to warn
> humans about their self-destructive actions, and then saving humanity by
> wiping out those criminals who were bent upon destroying the world.
> If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most advanced
> that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a terrible,
> heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read of the scriptures
> will help you realise that God is indeed the Most Kind and Most Loving, and
> enable you to appreciate His Commandments as those which guide humans to
> protect themselves from harm, lead to better their condition and enable
> them to build a beautiful future!
> Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the name of
> progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and suffering. I
> believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and the last Scripture
> (Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity 'brief stay' on Earth is
> coming towards its end. People of many faiths, including Muslims, are
> awaiting the arrival of the Anti-Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran:
> And when (is) fulfilled the word against them, We will bring forth for them
> a creature from the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our
> Signs, not certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ]
> However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and deeds, so
> there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God promises to help
> and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance.
>
> Samiya
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes  wrote:
>
>> Samiya:
>> I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of
>> unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
>> I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked  it because of unjust
>> cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.)
>> I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust
>> cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings,  etc.)
>> In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase
>> the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition
>> etc.
>> I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against
>> women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves.
>> I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too.
>> I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (= global
>> misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
>> JM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suppose you can call it that :)
>>> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings,
>>> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just
>>> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for
>>> themselves.
>>> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will
>>> object anyway.
>>>
>>> Samiya
>>>
>>> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -Original Message-
>>> From: Samiya Illias 
>>> To: eve

Re: Quran Audio

[John Clark]

Muslims are certain that the only path to heaven is in following the
teachings of Muhammad Allah's messenger, but Christians are certain that is
the path to being tortured fiendishly by a loving God for an infinite (and
not just astronomical) number of years.  Christians are certain that the
only path to heaven is to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ God's son,
but Muslims are certain that is the path to being tortured fiendishly by a
loving God for an infinite (and not just astronomical) number of years.

The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think
the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap.

  John K Clark

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Re: Quran Audio

[Samiya Illias]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:50 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the "real world" to conform,
> nicely, to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that
> there is a divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of
> the past wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed
> as we are) come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are
> unreasonable, we are unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply
> religious of this world and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to
> the world, out of not only fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame,
> brought to themselves and their group. We are the one's that require help,
> not God, yet, for inscrutable reasons He decline help.


According to my understanding, God is continuously offering to help, while
most of us stubbornly decline help. God will not impose faith and good
deeds on us, we have to WILL faith and choose to be guided to the right
course of action.


>
> This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself,
> again, inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our
> views religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious
> as any mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named
> after 19th century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann
> was not a Yahhoodi, but a German, german.


Why would I fear a 'Yahhoodi'? Jews are monotheists like Muslims, and the
Quran is full of examples from Jewish history, to remind them that this is
a continuation of the same message, and to guide us, lest we make the same
errors that they did. Moreover, the Quran also speaks highly of the Jews
who truly believe. I suppose the same is true for Muslims and people of
other religions. God knows the hearts of all, and is best able to
appreciate.


> Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 'Observer' of some kind to
> operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be intelligent, and
> non-human, and having its own false memories of life, and also
> hyper-intelligent. Back in 2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a
> paper called, The Census Taker's Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's
> thermodynamics, and more or less supported these contentions.
>

Interesting. I'll try to look it up later today.

>
> Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have
> seen BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting
> speculation, and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans?
> Ah!
>

I suppose it helps us realise that there is much, much more to the larger
picture than we humans can perceive, and thus we do need to seek guidance
intelligently. Its humbling, and humbling before the One True God liberates
us from humbling before all others. That is, I think, the most crucial role
of the scriptures!

Samiya



>
> For more madness-
>  https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am
> Subject: Re: Quran Audio
>
>   I suppose you can call it that :)
>  People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings,
> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just
> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for
> themselves.
>  Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will
> object anyway.
>
>  Samiya
>
> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>   Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias < samiyaill...@gmail.com>
> To: everything-list < everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
> Subject: Quran Audio
>
>  A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
> Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
>
>  Samiya
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Re: Quran Audio

[Samiya Illias]

John,
I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I get
the impression that you were studying the human condition: the results of
(mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions / ideologies and
naturally being revolted by it!
Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures: desires
which within moral limits are permissible and constructive for the
evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed all bounds and
have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to understand is that
their actions are essentially self-destructive. According to my study of
the scriptures, time and again, whenever human civilisations advanced to
the point of self-destruction, the Most Compassionate, True God has
intervened, first by sending His Messengers and His Scriptures to warn
humans about their self-destructive actions, and then saving humanity by
wiping out those criminals who were bent upon destroying the world.
If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most advanced
that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a terrible,
heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read of the scriptures
will help you realise that God is indeed the Most Kind and Most Loving, and
enable you to appreciate His Commandments as those which guide humans to
protect themselves from harm, lead to better their condition and enable
them to build a beautiful future!
Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the name of
progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and suffering. I
believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and the last Scripture
(Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity 'brief stay' on Earth is
coming towards its end. People of many faiths, including Muslims, are
awaiting the arrival of the Anti-Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran:
And when (is) fulfilled the word against them, We will bring forth for them
a creature from the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our
Signs, not certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ]
However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and deeds, so
there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God promises to help
and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance.

Samiya

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes  wrote:

> Samiya:
> I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of
> unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
> I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked  it because of unjust
> cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.)
> I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty
> against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings,  etc.)
> In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase
> the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition
> etc.
> I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against
> women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves.
> I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too.
> I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (= global
> misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
> JM
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias 
> wrote:
>
>> I suppose you can call it that :)
>> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings,
>> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just
>> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for
>> themselves.
>> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will
>> object anyway.
>>
>> Samiya
>>
>> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: Samiya Illias 
>> To: everything-list 
>> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
>> Subject: Quran Audio
>>
>>  A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
>> Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
>> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
>>
>>  Samiya
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Re: Quran Audio

[John Mikes]

Samiya:
I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of
unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked  it because of unjust
cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.)
I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty
against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings,  etc.)
In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase
the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition
etc.
I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against
women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves.
I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too.
I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (= global
misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
JM



On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias 
wrote:

> I suppose you can call it that :)
> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings,
> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just
> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for
> themselves.
> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will
> object anyway.
>
> Samiya
>
> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Doing Dawa? Interesting.
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
> Subject: Quran Audio
>
>  A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
> Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
>
>  Samiya
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Re: Quran Audio

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the "real world" to conform, nicely, 
to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that there is a 
divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of the past 
wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed as we are) 
come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are unreasonable, we are 
unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply religious of this world 
and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to the world, out of not only 
fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame, brought to themselves and 
their group. We are the one's that require help, not God, yet, for inscrutable 
reasons He decline help. 

This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself, again, 
inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our views 
religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious as any 
mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named after 19th 
century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann was not a 
Yahhoodi, but a German, german. Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 
'Observer' of some kind to operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be 
intelligent, and non-human, and having its own false memories of life, and also 
hyper-intelligent. Back in 2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a paper 
called, The Census Taker's Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's thermodynamics, and 
more or less supported these contentions. 

Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have seen 
BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting speculation, 
and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans? Ah!

For more madness-

 https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Samiya Illias 
To: everything-list 
Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Quran Audio


 
I suppose you can call it that :)  
 
People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries 
and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting 
the original document for any who might want to check for themselves.  
 
Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object 
anyway.  
 
  
 
 
Samiya  
 
  
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everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:  
  
 
 
  
   Doing Dawa? Interesting.  
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
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 From: Samiya Illias < samiyaill...@gmail.com> 
 To: everything-list < everything-list@googlegroups.com> 
 Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm 
 Subject: Quran Audio 
  
  
   
 A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation 
for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: 
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ 
 


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Re: Quran Audio

[Samiya Illias]

I suppose you can call it that :) 
People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries 
and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting 
the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. 
Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object 
anyway. 

Samiya 

> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Doing Dawa? Interesting. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Samiya Illias 
> To: everything-list 
> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm
> Subject: Quran Audio
> 
> A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation 
> for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:  
> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ 
> 
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Re: Quran Audio

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Doing Dawa? Interesting. 
 

 

 

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Subject: Quran Audio


 
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Re: Quran Audio

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> On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:09 pm, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation 
> for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: 
> http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ 
> 
> Samiya 

YOU WISH

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Quran Audio

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A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

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