RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

[Ed Crowley]

Right-click Outlook Today, select Properties.  Click the Home Page tab
and clear the Show home page by default for this folder" checkbox.  Then
select the Outlook Today root Mailbox folder.  If you don't see any
messages it's because there are none there or you have some filter on
the folder view you need to remove.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bryon Barkley
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


That does not show me the folder contents, it only shows the size of the
Outlook today folder -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tristan Gayford
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


In which case you need to do what has already been said a number of
times and get rid of the default of show home page.

-
Tristan Gayford
Deputy Systems & Network Manager
Cranfield University at Silsoe

-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2002 00:14
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

Using OL2000 and yes I see that, but what I am looking for is to access
that folder and delete/move the contents.  That folder is not visible
like others are.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tristan Gayford
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


I'm not sure what client you are using, but it works fine for me (OL
2002). The top of the store isn't listed in the list you describe - it
is above that in the two lines of folder size and folder+subfolder size
(it is the folder size, BTW). The one below is the entire mailbox size.

Tris

-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 02:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

My meaning of breakdown is, when you go into the properties of the
Outlook Today - [Mailbox - your name] and click on folder size, you see
a breakdown of every folder listed under it.  The top of Information
store is not one of them.  A quick test will prove my point.  Verify the
folder size of your Outlook Today - [Mailbox - your name], now create a
new message with a known size attachment and send it to yourself.  Check
the folder size again and it should have increased by the size of the
new message.  Now, take that message and drag it onto your Outlook Today
- [Mailbox - your name], the entire mailbox size will remain the same,
however, the size of your inbox folder will be decreased by the size of
the message you moved.  You will not see where this message has been
moved to because you can't look at the Top of Information Store and the
only way to see if there are some messages there, is to do an advanced
find.

It has been my experience, that when users complain about having a full
mailbox and swear they are under the limit, I check for messages in
their Outlook Today - [Mailbox - your name]and walla, they their are.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Im not sure what you mean by breakdown. The "Folder Size" *is* the size
of the folder in the question. So if you are looking at the properties
of "Outlook Today" folder (i.e. The top of the Information Store) , that
is its size. Unchecking that box should remove the "Outlook Today" pane
and restore the "regular" folder view and allow you to easily see any
emails that may be in that folder.


-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


True, but it will not show a breakdown of that Top of Information Store
folder.  It only shows a total of everything.  Unchecking the "Show Home
Page" did nothing for me.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Actually, it does show the folder size.
Its listed above the subfolders dialog box: Folder Size: nk Total Size
(Fld + SubFldr) : nnnK

Another way to easily get to it is to uncheck the "Show Home Page" box
under the Properties/Home Page tab for the "Outlook Today" folder.



-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Check "Top of Information Store", people always seem to put mail in here
for some reas

RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

[Bryon Barkley]

That does not show me the folder contents, it only shows the size of the
Outlook today folder
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tristan Gayford
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


In which case you need to do what has already been said a number of times
and get rid of the default of show home page.

-
Tristan Gayford
Deputy Systems & Network Manager
Cranfield University at Silsoe

-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2002 00:14
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

Using OL2000 and yes I see that, but what I am looking for is to access that
folder and delete/move the contents.  That folder is not visible like others
are.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tristan Gayford
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:09 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


I'm not sure what client you are using, but it works fine for me (OL 2002).
The top of the store isn't listed in the list you describe - it is above
that in the two lines of folder size and folder+subfolder size (it is the
folder size, BTW). The one below is the entire mailbox size.

Tris

-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 02:29
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM

My meaning of breakdown is, when you go into the properties of the Outlook
Today - [Mailbox -
your name] and click on folder size, you see a breakdown of every folder
listed under it.  The top of Information store is not one of them.  A quick
test will prove my point.  Verify the folder size of your Outlook Today -
[Mailbox - your name], now create a new message with a known size attachment
and send it to yourself.  Check the folder size again and it should have
increased by the size of the new message.  Now, take that message and drag
it onto your Outlook Today - [Mailbox - your name], the entire mailbox size
will remain the same, however, the size of your inbox folder will be
decreased by the size of the message you moved.  You will not see where this
message has been moved to because you can't look at the Top of Information
Store and the only way to see if there are some messages there, is to do an
advanced find.

It has been my experience, that when users complain about having a full
mailbox and swear they are under the limit, I check for messages in their
Outlook Today - [Mailbox - your name]and walla, they their are.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Im not sure what you mean by breakdown. The "Folder Size" *is* the size of
the folder in the question. So if you are looking at the properties of
"Outlook Today" folder (i.e. The top of the Information Store) , that is its
size. Unchecking that box should remove the "Outlook Today" pane and restore
the "regular" folder view and allow you to easily see any emails that may be
in that folder.


-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


True, but it will not show a breakdown of that Top of Information Store
folder.  It only shows a total of everything.  Unchecking the "Show Home
Page" did nothing for me.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Actually, it does show the folder size.
Its listed above the subfolders dialog box: Folder Size: nk
Total Size (Fld + SubFldr) : nnnK

Another way to easily get to it is to uncheck the "Show Home Page" box under
the Properties/Home Page tab for the "Outlook Today" folder.



-Original Message-
From: Bryon Barkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Check "Top of Information Store", people always seem to put mail in here for
some reason.  It won't show up when you check folder size, you have to do an
advanced find.  Try dragging a message to your Outlook Today - [Mailbox -
your name], and then do an advanced find for this message and you'll see
what I mean.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Florea
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PROBLEM


Did you check the 'view' setting yet?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MailBox LIMIT PR

RE: Looking for something like MIS 2002

[jvfantin]

I highly recommend BlackBerry...  

-Original Message-
From: Brian Ko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Looking for something like MIS 2002


Hello!

Can anyone recommend a software to allow wireless PDAs to access
Exchange mailbox?  I know there is MIS 2002, but it requires a AD which
I don't have.  I also looked at the Infowave software, but it's taking a
over week to talk to Pre sales people. 

I am looking for a software that will work with Pocket PC, Palm, etc.

Thank you in advance,

Brian


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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Slinger, Gary]

Per 1, that kinda goes to the original purpose of this list.  You were kinda
expected to know that stuff before you showed up here.  But that's clearly
shot to hell.

Per 3, bullshit.

Per 4, Not relevant to the conversation.

It pains me to defend Woodruff given his previous (lack of) contributions,
but there you go.

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 21:02
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not only
"Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other functions in
their company. In the case a vice president of a construction company...I.E.
work on Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by owner's, holler at
subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts payable, job cost,
maintain the other software on the network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy
construction market where you can't hire a full time MIS person as money is
too tight.

2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a bell.
Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone else.
I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, every once in a
while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a question.

4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone walk
up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards and
forwards, you had no idea it would do?

We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit their
head off for asking what they thought was a stupid question...sound
familiar?

Arch

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was kind of weird
for an Exch Admin not to know that.  

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Nice response...thanks...very helpful

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees personalmail


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail
message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their
old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece
of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just
create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there
some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain
is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of
the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get
set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is
what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Glaman, Mark]

Thanks Ed.. My spell checker said it was ok!!!

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Hear?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


don't tell Scharff he makes sense.. We'll never here the end of it. 

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Now those are some answers that make sense!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not

> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other 
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a 
> construction company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get 
> screamed at by owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay 
> roll, accounts payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the 
> network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market where you 
> can't hire a full time MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in
trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a 
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone

> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, 
> every once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a 
> question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to
tell me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone 
> walk up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards

> and forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used
to tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough 
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit 
> their head off for asking what they thought was a stupid 
> question...sound familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok?
Or, at least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start...
I'll bring the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Ray Zorz]

Read, actually.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Hear?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


don't tell Scharff he makes sense.. We'll never here the end of it. 

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Now those are some answers that make sense!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not

> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a 
> construction company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get 
> screamed at by owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay 
> roll, accounts payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the 
> network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market where you 
> can't hire a full time MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in
trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone

> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and,
> every once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a 
> question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to
tell me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone
> walk up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards

> and forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used
to tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit 
> their head off for asking what they thought was a stupid 
> question...sound familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok?
Or, at least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start...
I'll bring the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Ed Crowley]

Hear?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Glaman, Mark
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:27 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


don't tell Scharff he makes sense.. We'll never here the end of it. 

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Now those are some answers that make sense!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not

> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other 
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a 
> construction company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get 
> screamed at by owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay 
> roll, accounts payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the 
> network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market where you 
> can't hire a full time MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in
trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a 
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone

> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, 
> every once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a 
> question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to
tell me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone 
> walk up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards

> and forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used
to tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough 
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit 
> their head off for asking what they thought was a stupid 
> question...sound familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok?
Or, at least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start...
I'll bring the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Glaman, Mark]

don't tell Scharff he makes sense.. We'll never here the end of it. 

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Now those are some answers that make sense!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not
> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a construction
> company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by
> owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts
> payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the network, etc, etc,
> etc. all in a crappy construction market where you can't hire a full time
> MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone
> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, every
> once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to tell
me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone walk
> up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards and
> forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used to
tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit their
> head off for asking what they thought was a stupid question...sound
> familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok? Or, at
least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start... I'll bring
the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

[Martin, Jon]

I don't use the word much, but this is an awesome book. Tweakers & nit
pickers will have months of fun implementing the millions of useful
recommendations in this book. In the same way that you should not trust a
default Windows implementation to be secure, you should not trust it to be
optimized for performance, either. This book tells you why, and how to get
the most from your hardware & OS.
And the answer to the original question is: I was close. Keep the write size
(4k for Exchange db), cluster (allocation unit) size and RAID stripe size in
sync. What I was not thinking of is the RAID stripe size applies to the
amount of data written in one contiguous chunk to each disk in the array.
There is a corollary number to plug into the equations - the stripe width,
which is the number of drives in the array which data is written to. So if I
read this correctly, you would want the RAID stripe size to be 4k divided by
the stripe width. Keeping it simple, if you had four drives in a RAID 0
array, the correct stripe size to match the 4k Exchange database writes
would be 1k. The fact no one would run Exchange in RAID 0, and that you
would really have eight drives in a RAID 0/1 array does not change the
optimum stripe size in this example.
Additional performance? Sure. Enough to re-config a production box? Probably
not, unless you have a high degree of tolerance for risk and pain. Good to
know for new boxes, though.
Now if we can just get someone to spend a bunch of time testing this all out
in their lab, and report back.


 -Original Message-
From:   Martin, Jon  
Sent:   Monday, June 17, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

Already on order. Thanks.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

Then get the Curt Aubley book mentioned previously.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin, Jon
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question


Actually, my boss prefers that I get the most out of the money he spends
on hardware and software. When I ask a group of knowledgeable folks a
question concerning a little documented but potentially useful way to
increase system performance, my boss sees that as a useful expenditure
of my time. Trading shots with someone who has indicated she really
doesn't know the answer probably would not meet his idea 'useful
expenditure of time', but he will probably get over it.

-Original Message-
From: Baker, Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

If performance is really an issue maybe you should consider different
hardware configurations. For instance, RAID 0+1 instead of RAID5, use
more disks in your RAID array to "spread" the data access, faster disks,
higher end controllers with more R/W cache, etc.

To worry about negligible performance (probably < .01%) increases while
investing actual productive time probably means you need your boss to
assign you more work. Unless, of course the time you spend measuring all
the differences in performance while "tweaking" your system with
different configurations actually translates to "no extra cost".

-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 12:55 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question


Uh, if I understand you correctly, you are not much interested in
tweaking a few easy (during system installation, anyways) settings to
optimize (at no extra cost) the performance of your system.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Baker, Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

If I understand you correctly, you are talking about some nit-picky
settings that probably will have very little, if any, affect on
performance.

-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question


Exchange writes to the database in 4k pages. This being the case, does
it not make sense to format database drives in 4k Allocation Units
(clusters)? And beyond that, since my RAID controller gives me the
ability to control the stripe size, shouldn't make this 4k also? Get
everyone (database, OS and
hardware) in 4k harmony, so to speak.

On a similar track regarding transaction logs, if we have valid
information as to the average size of messages in our system, would
there be a performance boost by configuring the transaction log drive to
use clusters and stripes close to (but a little bigger) that

RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[James Liddil]

Well said, from someone in the same shoes.

Jim Liddil

> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this 
> list are not only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty 
> by working in other functions in their company. In the case a 
> vice president of a construction company...I.E. work on 
> Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by owner's, 
> holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts 
> payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the 
> network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market 
> where you can't hire a full time MIS person as money is too tight.
> 
> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does 
> not ring a bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?
> 
> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us 
> by someone else. I have learned a ton by reading this list 
> when possible and, every once in a while, dipping my toe in 
> the water and asking a question.
> 
> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had 
> someone walk up and do something that, while you thought you 
> knew it backwards and forwards, you had no idea it would do?
> 
> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking 
> enough questions because some old superintendent that "knew 
> everything" bit their head off for asking what they thought 
> was a stupid question...sound familiar?
> 
> Arch
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was 
> kind of weird for an Exch Admin not to know that.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Nice response...thanks...very helpful
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide 
> it. No rule required. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees 
> personalmail
> 
> 
> The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy 
> mailbox.  Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.
> 
> Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to 
> permanently delete the
> messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
> vaporized.
> 
> Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail 
> that ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to 
> send me any e-mail message that does not resolve to one of 
> our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they have 
> inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk 
> e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could 
> just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to 
> me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the 
> sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. 
> it would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For 
> example, when our server went down during the conversion, all 
> of the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back 
> and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like 
> when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for 
> specific addresses. 
> 
> Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arch Willingham
> 
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

Now those are some answers that make sense!

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not
> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a construction
> company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by
> owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts
> payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the network, etc, etc,
> etc. all in a crappy construction market where you can't hire a full time
> MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone
> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, every
> once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to tell
me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone walk
> up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards and
> forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used to
tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit their
> head off for asking what they thought was a stupid question...sound
> familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok? Or, at
least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start... I'll bring
the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Chris Scharff]

> -Original Message-
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not
> only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty by working in other
> functions in their company. In the case a vice president of a construction
> company...I.E. work on Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by
> owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts
> payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the network, etc, etc,
> etc. all in a crappy construction market where you can't hire a full time
> MIS person as money is too tight.

Hmm.. I need a new house, wonder if we could work something out in trade.

> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a
> bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?

I'm sorry, who are you again?

> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone
> else. I have learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, every
> once in a while, dipping my toe in the water and asking a question.

I once dropped a brick on my foot, didn't really need someone else to tell
me not to do that again. Damn brick.

> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone walk
> up and do something that, while you thought you knew it backwards and
> forwards, you had no idea it would do?

Someone told me the other day that people actually use Excel can be used to
tally up numbers. Who knew? 

> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough
> questions because some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit their
> head off for asking what they thought was a stupid question...sound
> familiar?

Um... let's not use any of those young carpenters on my new house ok? Or, at
least give them an Exchange manual to read before they start... I'll bring
the coffee and doughnuts to the job site.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Warren Cundy]

DL = Distribution List

-Warren


> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:02 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> 1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this 
> list are not only "Exch Admins" but also server double duty 
> by working in other functions in their company. In the case a 
> vice president of a construction company...I.E. work on 
> Exchange...build buildings, get screamed at by owner's, 
> holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay roll, accounts 
> payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the 
> network, etc, etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market 
> where you can't hire a full time MIS person as money is too tight.
> 
> 2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does 
> not ring a bell. Have you ever forgotten a person's name?
> 
> 3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us 
> by someone else. I have learned a ton by reading this list 
> when possible and, every once in a while, dipping my toe in 
> the water and asking a question.
> 
> 4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had 
> someone walk up and do something that, while you thought you 
> knew it backwards and forwards, you had no idea it would do?
> 
> We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking 
> enough questions because some old superintendent that "knew 
> everything" bit their head off for asking what they thought 
> was a stupid question...sound familiar?
> 
> Arch
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:35 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was 
> kind of weird for an Exch Admin not to know that.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Nice response...thanks...very helpful
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide 
> it. No rule required. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees 
> personalmail
> 
> 
> The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy 
> mailbox.  Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.
> 
> Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to 
> permanently delete the
> messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
> vaporized.
> 
> Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail 
> that ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to 
> send me any e-mail message that does not resolve to one of 
> our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they have 
> inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk 
> e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could 
> just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to 
> me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the 
> sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. 
> it would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For 
> example, when our server went down during the conversion, all 
> of the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back 
> and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like 
> when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for 
> specific addresses. 
> 
> Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arch Willingham
> 
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

1. Believe it or not, some of the people that are on this list are not only "Exch 
Admins" but also server double duty by working in other functions in their company. In 
the case a vice president of a construction company...I.E. work on Exchange...build 
buildings, get screamed at by owner's, holler at subcontractors, estimate jobs, pay 
roll, accounts payable, job cost, maintain the other software on the network, etc, 
etc, etc. all in a crappy construction market where you can't hire a full time MIS 
person as money is too tight.

2. Sometimes, your brain goes numb and something just does not ring a bell. Have you 
ever forgotten a person's name?

3. 100% of the things we all know in life were taught to us by someone else. I have 
learned a ton by reading this list when possible and, every once in a while, dipping 
my toe in the water and asking a question.

4. Have you ever used some type of software for years and had someone walk up and do 
something that, while you thought you knew it backwards and forwards, you had no idea 
it would do?

We have always had problems with young carpenters not asking enough questions because 
some old superintendent that "knew everything" bit their head off for asking what they 
thought was a stupid question...sound familiar?

Arch

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was kind of weird
for an Exch Admin not to know that.  

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Nice response...thanks...very helpful

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees personalmail


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail
message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their
old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece
of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just
create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there
some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain
is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of
the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get
set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is
what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Scancal.exe

[Chris Scharff]

Lat time I called PSS for a utility it took less than 15 minutes to get
it...

> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Butler (Mailing Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:57 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Scancal.exe
> 
> I have heard many references to scancal.exe as a tool to try and
> troubleshoot the nasty calendar problems where viewing a calendar pegs
> outlook.exe at 100% (even through free/busy is still available via meeting
> request) . does anyone have a copy they'd be willing to send me?  And
> before someone says "call PSS", I'm trying to save myself a few hours of
> wait time if at all possible.  :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Jon
> 
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Event ID: 1030

[Woodruff, Michael]

Anybody seen this event: ID 1030...   Not realy sure why I am getting it.
We get it constantly..  Even when PFs aren't accessed..  No leads from
Microsoft. Any Ideas..  Thanks.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] failed an operation on folder
/O=ORG/OU=SITE/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=EVENTCONFIG_SERVER5.5B0D63A76B0D63A76B0D63A7
62907DE2711 on database "First Storage Group\Public Folder Store
(SERVER2K)" because the user did not have the following access rights:

'Delete' 'Read Property' 'Write Property' 'Create Message' 'View Item'
'Create Subfolder' 'Write Security Descriptor' 'Write Owner' 'Read Security
Descriptor' 'Contact' 

The entry ID of the folder is in the data section of this event. 

For more information, click http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp.
030, 


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Scancal.exe

[Jon Butler (Mailing Lists)]

I have heard many references to scancal.exe as a tool to try and
troubleshoot the nasty calendar problems where viewing a calendar pegs
outlook.exe at 100% (even through free/busy is still available via meeting
request) . does anyone have a copy they'd be willing to send me?  And
before someone says "call PSS", I'm trying to save myself a few hours of
wait time if at all possible.  :)

Thanks,
Jon

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RE: exchange directory export

[Mellott, Bill]

FYI:
Thanks to the fine people on this list,some funbling around, and some
reading...

I am able import and export the recipients part for my exch55...it's ah very
nice for updating..

I used the header.exe then the switches with the admin.exeto my
imp/exp...

thank you all...

bill

-Original Message-
From: Charles Toepoel (GarantiBank International)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: exchange directory export


I'm searching for 3rd party tools to do a directory export.
Does anybody know such tools ?


Charles Toepoel


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Re: Block Size

[Tony Hlabse]

you are correct. 5mb trans. logs and turn off circular
- Original Message -
From: "Martin, Jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Block Size


> My theory:
>
> 1. Assuming you install the OS on a new drive, the boot/OS drive is in 4k
> blocks by default. You can probably pre-NTFS-format the drive in another
> machine with larger or smaller blocks, but you may create other issues by
> doing so.
>
> 2. Exchange writes to the database in 4k pages. Numerous Q docs mention
> this. Formatting the drive in 4k blocks may have a beneficial effect.
>
> 3. Best as I can tell, the transaction logs, which are 5mb each, are
written
> to transaction by transaction. Use performance monitor or other tools to
> figure out what your average transaction size is (this assumes you have a
> system in place already to monitor), and make the block size the next size
> up from that (assuming your average transaction is not above 64k).
>
> This is just my theory . . .
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Marc Mearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:39 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Block Size
>
> User Group
>
> We are using Exchange 2000 SP2 NT 2000 SP2
>
> Can someone please point me to a document that will give me definitive
> answers to my questions below or can respond with positive answers:
>
> 1. What should the block size be for the Transaction logs (assuming that I
> have placed then on a different disk volume)
>
> 2. What should the block size be for the database taking into
consideration
> that you have edb and stm files on the same volume.
>
> 3. What should the block size be for the operating system.
>
> 4. Can you please give an explanation as to why you would use the
> recommended block size for the above 3 questions.
>
> 5. Can anyone recommend a good TechNet article that covers this topic.
>
> Note I have looked on TechNet but have not really found anything concrete
> and on the user group archives.
>
>
> Regards
>
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Chris Scharff]

Or, if you want to spend $ and save a little bandwidth:
http://www.mail-resources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&;
sid=307&mode=&order=0 (link wrap and all that)

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:24 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
> required.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
> it
> all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.
> 
> Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete
> the
> messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
> vaporized.
> 
> Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.
> 
> Scott
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees
> 
> 
> Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
> ex-employees
> get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that
> does
> not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box,
> they
> have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail
> known
> to
> man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-
> mail
> box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return
> an
> e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available
> (I.E.
> it
> would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
> server
> went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list
> service
> got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks
> like
> when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific
> addresses.
> 
> Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Arch Willingham
> 
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Woodruff, Michael]

How could you not know what a "DL" is?  I just thought it was kind of weird
for an Exch Admin not to know that.  

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Nice response...thanks...very helpful

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees personalmail


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail
message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their
old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece
of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just
create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there
some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain
is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of
the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get
set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is
what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: From nirvana to hell in one upgrade - the tail of direct book ing in Outlook 2k+

[Chris Scharff]

I'm running a story and survey about e-mail based calendaring solutions on
my website (www.mail-resources.com) to get an idea of what kinds of issues
people are having related to calendaring and what types of solutions people
are implementing. At our office we just use Outlook's direct booking
feature, but then I can "educate" users who don't understand it directly and
we only have 2 conference rooms

So, register on the site (shame on you if you haven't already) and feel free
to moan mightily about how the world isn't fair. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Moore, David K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:07 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: From nirvana to hell in one upgrade - the tail of direct booking
> in Outlook 2k+
> Importance: High
> 
> Here's the story -
> 
> Running Exchange 5.5 and users booking appointments using the AutoAccept
> script from ExchangeCode.com - and my life is great (except for those
> darn reoccurring meetings from time to time).  Now we make the big move
> to E2K and since the autoaccecpt script "doesn't" (some reports say it
> does, some it doesn't - my testing says it doesn't) work on E2K... so I
> need to come up with a new method.  The two methods are using the really
> old method of leaving an Outlook97 machine logged in with all the
> resource accounts setup to delegate their appointments to the one
> dedicated Outlook97 account -or- use the new fangled Outlook 2000/2002
> direct booking feature (Direct Booking of Resource Without a Delegate
> Acct. [Q196534]) where in the client directly books their own meetings
> using Outlook.
> 
> Ok, I test it (the new direct book method) and all seems ok.  But...
> when I roll it out into production I have random users (dozens out of
> 4,000 users) that can not book onto a room because Outlook first
> declines the meeting because it says it is "busy" and then follows that
> up with an error of "Unable to save Free/Busy".  So, in trouble shooting
> I have narrowed it down to the client by:
> 
> * Happens even if the user logs into another machine with their account
> (without roaming profiles)
> * Deleting the free/busy file of the calendar (using the GW-Client) and
> then re-setting it up fixes it from time to time
> * Granting Owner rights also "sometimes" fixes the problem but not
> always
> 
> Is there anyone out there that is using the new OL2000+ direct booking
> method and has it working correctly?  Is there some way to get the
> exchangecode.com script working on E2K?
> 
> david moore
> Chevron Phillips Chemical
> Messaging Group
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E2K Deferred Delivery and Receive Date

[Ray Beckwith]

We have discovered a strange issue that started when we upgraded our Exchange 5.5 
server (running on Windows NT 4 SP 6a) to Exchange 2000 on Windows 2000 (both at SP2) 
The issue happens to anyone who sends a message from Outlook 2000 with deferred 
delivery set either through "View, Options, Do Not Deliver Before" or "File, 
Properties, Send Options, Exchange Server, Send message after...". The recipient 
receives the message after the appropriate deferral time but the receive timestamp on 
the message is always equal to the time sent.

This creates a problem for us as, when viewing the inbox sorted by receive date, the 
deferred messages will show up somewhere in then middle and can cause confusion. 

If anyone has seen this or has any ideas on how to troubleshoot the issue, please let 
me know. We really want to be able to use the message deferral in E2K but this problem 
makes is practically useless.
 
Thanks...
Ray Beckwith
Network Administrator
California Credit Union League
Information Technology
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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Andy David]

If he doesnt have the add-in installed , he wont have the "Recover Deleted
Items" menu choice.

-Original Message-
From: Mood, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:04 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


Outlook, Tools, Options, Other, Advanced Options, Add In Manger, Install,
dumpster.ecf and make sure the deleted item recover is checked.  

You'll also want to add the dumpsteralways on reg hack to your machine at
least.

Menu item should be available regardless of whether or not there are items
to recover I believe.

-Original Message-
From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


To add to the confussion.  On the same server I can enable deleted
retension on the public folder and that works.  It just won't work on the
mailbox/private store??

> I have enabled deleted items on the mailbox store per server and through
> system policies and neither work.  I also waited over night to see if a
> reciepient policy needed to run and no luck.  I have continued to test
> after each change but I never see any mail to recover in the "recover
> deleted items".  Alos it is not just my client but all clients.
> 
> > I don't think you do.
> > 
> > Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in the
> > properties of the private information store.  Were the items you're
> > looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?
> > 
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy koslosky
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
> > to work.  Anyone?
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
> > from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
> > 3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
> > listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
> > or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
> > emptied the deleted items.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> > 
> > > the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> > > everything
> > > is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> > > mail.
> > >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> > > item
> > > deletions are set properly.>
> > >
> > > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
> > you
> > > are
> > > > replying too.
> > > >
> > > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > > >
> > > > And you dont want that.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > > Data Support Specialist
> > > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> > highlighted
> > > when
> > > checking?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ]
> > > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
>

RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

Nice response...thanks...very helpful

-Original Message-
From: Woodruff, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees personalmail


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail
message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their
old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece
of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just
create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there
some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain
is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of
the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get
set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is
what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Ed Crowley]

And you have deleted items out of the Deleted Items folder so you have
something to recover?

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Todd
Youngbauer
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


To add to the confussion.  On the same server I can enable deleted
retension on the public folder and that works.  It just won't work on
the mailbox/private store??

> I have enabled deleted items on the mailbox store per server and 
> through system policies and neither work.  I also waited over night to

> see if a reciepient policy needed to run and no luck.  I have 
> continued to test after each change but I never see any mail to 
> recover in the "recover deleted items".  Alos it is not just my client

> but all clients.
> 
> > I don't think you do.
> > 
> > Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in 
> > the properties of the private information store.  Were the items 
> > you're looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?
> > 
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy 
> > koslosky
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this 
> > setting to work.  Anyone?
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted 
> > items from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is 
> > empty and the 3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that

> > there is no mail listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail 
> > is either hard deleted or the server is not holding it even though I

> > just deleted a message and emptied the deleted items.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I 
> > > am in
> > 
> > > the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items 
> > > and everything is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should

> > > not hold deleted mail.
> > >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting
for
> > > item
> > > deletions are set properly.>
> > >
> > > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell 
> > > what
> > you
> > > are
> > > > replying too.
> > > >
> > > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > > >
> > > > And you dont want that.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > > Data Support Specialist
> > > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> > highlighted
> > > when
> > > checking?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ]
> > > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > > I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
> > > server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to
be
> > > deletd from
> > > the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the
server
> > > localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can
not
> > > recover mail from the client. I have a

RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Mood, Steve]

Outlook, Tools, Options, Other, Advanced Options, Add In Manger, Install,
dumpster.ecf and make sure the deleted item recover is checked.  

You'll also want to add the dumpsteralways on reg hack to your machine at
least.

Menu item should be available regardless of whether or not there are items
to recover I believe.

-Original Message-
From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


To add to the confussion.  On the same server I can enable deleted
retension on the public folder and that works.  It just won't work on the
mailbox/private store??

> I have enabled deleted items on the mailbox store per server and through
> system policies and neither work.  I also waited over night to see if a
> reciepient policy needed to run and no luck.  I have continued to test
> after each change but I never see any mail to recover in the "recover
> deleted items".  Alos it is not just my client but all clients.
> 
> > I don't think you do.
> > 
> > Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in the
> > properties of the private information store.  Were the items you're
> > looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?
> > 
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy koslosky
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
> > to work.  Anyone?
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
> > from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
> > 3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
> > listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
> > or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
> > emptied the deleted items.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> > 
> > > the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> > > everything
> > > is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> > > mail.
> > >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> > > item
> > > deletions are set properly.>
> > >
> > > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
> > you
> > > are
> > > > replying too.
> > > >
> > > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > > >
> > > > And you dont want that.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > > Data Support Specialist
> > > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> > highlighted
> > > when
> > > checking?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ]
> > > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > > I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the 
> > > server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be
> > > deletd from
> > > the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> > > localy and through policy to hold deleted mail

RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

To add to the confussion.  On the same server I can enable deleted
retension on the public folder and that works.  It just won't work on the
mailbox/private store??

> I have enabled deleted items on the mailbox store per server and through
> system policies and neither work.  I also waited over night to see if a
> reciepient policy needed to run and no luck.  I have continued to test
> after each change but I never see any mail to recover in the "recover
> deleted items".  Alos it is not just my client but all clients.
> 
> > I don't think you do.
> > 
> > Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in the
> > properties of the private information store.  Were the items you're
> > looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?
> > 
> > Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> > Tech Consultant
> > hp Services
> > Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy koslosky
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
> > to work.  Anyone?
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > 
> > 
> > I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
> > from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
> > 3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
> > listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
> > or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
> > emptied the deleted items.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> > 
> > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> > 
> > > the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> > > everything
> > > is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> > > mail.
> > >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> > > item
> > > deletions are set properly.>
> > >
> > > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
> > you
> > > are
> > > > replying too.
> > > >
> > > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > > >
> > > > And you dont want that.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > > Data Support Specialist
> > > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> > highlighted
> > > when
> > > checking?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > 
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ]
> > > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > > I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the 
> > > server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be
> > > deletd from
> > > the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> > > localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> > > recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
> > can't
> > > think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the 
> > > server not the client or client proccess?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> > > Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > > Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover 
> > > Deleted Items when in that fo

RE: unexplainable email header

[Ed Crowley]

Exchange does not filter Spam.  If you want to filter Spam, buy a
front-end product.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shawn Connelly
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:25 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: unexplainable email header


Can someone please explain how this SPAM email arrived in several
mailboxes within our organization?

At first glance, it appears to have come from a former employee who
hasn't worked here in years and has long been deleted from all servers
(address SPOOFING).  

Some info:  Using Exchange server 5.5 with all current patches and we
are not relaying.  

What I am wondering is why did this occur (not the first time and it
seems to be increasing) and how can I prevent this from occurring again?

On a somewhat related note, I need to find some way to eliminate (at
least) 50% of the tremendous volume of SPAM that arrives in our company
but I want a front-end program (not at individual workstations).  
I'm wondering if MIMESWEEPER for SMTP can identify email such as this?
Any thoughts?

- header info (from OPTIONS) - My comments in **

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with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
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Received from [203.106.238.32] ([203.106.238.32])  ** FROM
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g5K483Jf000109;
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HELO protocol 
** THE SOURCE ATTEMPTED TO AVOID INDENTIFICATION IN ORDER TO RELAY BUT
MY SERVER CAUGHT 
AND REJECTED EMAIL BUT WHY DID EXCHANGE SEND AN "OBVIOUS" SPAM TO AN
INTERNAL RECIPIENT? ** From [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** FORMER EMPLOYEE BUT
NOT A VALID ADDRESS - PREFIX REMOVED ** Subject Refinance and Save $$$
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Ray Zorz]

Better yet, create a DL with no members and add all the SMTP addresses.
No muss, no fuss, no record, nothing.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Akerlund,
Scott
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.
Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete
the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any
e-mail message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we
kill their old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to
receive every piece of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I
realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it
comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the
sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. it would
act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for
this list service got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold".
What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like
to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Recipent Polices Problem

[Mark Harford]

Is it reverting to whatever was the original Primary SMTP address (before
you ever added the secondary)?

Also is there an ADC in the picture or is it native E2K?

-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 20 June 2002 15:40
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Recipent Polices Problem


But when I change a users SMTP address back to what it suppose to be.  I
run "Apply this Policy Now"   And it changes it right back.  That's what
I don't get.  So it looks like I've given it enough time cause it changes
the accounts back to the secondary SMTP address.

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Celera Genomics
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C: 301.938.6294
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-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:37 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Recipent Polices Problem


Once you change the default primary SMTP address, it takes time to take
effect. Be patient.

- Original Message -
From: "Bowles, John L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: Recipent Polices Problem


What can cause this to happen when there is no policy setup for it to change
the secondary SMTP address to the primary?  This seems awfully strange to
me.

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Exchange Administrator
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Celera Genomics
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-Original Message-
From: Bowles, John L.
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Recipent Polices Problem


Nope, that's what I don't understand.


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-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Recipent Polices Problem


Did you make the set the second as the primary?

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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:36 AM
Subject: Recipent Polices Problem


All,
This is a strange problem I'm experiencing. Everyone's "Primary" SMTP
addresses change to another SMTP address listed for each user. We have setup
2 SMTP addresses for users when we create accounts. Something in the
Recipient Policy keeps changing it to be the second of the 2 SMTP addresses.
Everytime I make a change it changes it back. I don't see anything in the
"Default" Recipient Policy that would suggest making the second SMTP address
the primary address. Has anyone had this happen before? And if so how did
you resolve the problem? Thank you,

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Andy David]

Distribution List 5.5. 
For you, Distribution Group.



-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it
all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees
get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that
does
not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they
have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known
to
man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail
box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an
e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E.
it
would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server
went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list
service
got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks
like
when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific
addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

I have enabled deleted items on the mailbox store per server and through
system policies and neither work.  I also waited over night to see if a
reciepient policy needed to run and no luck.  I have continued to test
after each change but I never see any mail to recover in the "recover
deleted items".  Alos it is not just my client but all clients.

> I don't think you do.
> 
> Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in the
> properties of the private information store.  Were the items you're
> looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?
> 
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy koslosky
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> 
> I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
> to work.  Anyone?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> 
> I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
> from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
> 3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
> listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
> or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
> emptied the deleted items.
> 
> 
> 
> What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> 
> > the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> > everything
> > is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> > mail.
> >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> > item
> > deletions are set properly.>
> >
> > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
> you
> > are
> > > replying too.
> > >
> > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > >
> > > And you dont want that.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > Data Support Specialist
> > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
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> > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> highlighted
> > when
> > checking?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ]
> > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> > I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the 
> > server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be
> > deletd from
> > the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> > localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> > recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
> can't
> > think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the 
> > server not the client or client proccess?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> > Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> > Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover 
> > Deleted Items when in that folder.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Ed Crowley]

Distribution list, or distribution group in Active Directory parlance.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Arch
Willingham
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No
rule required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.
Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete
the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any
e-mail message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we
kill their old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to
receive every piece of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I
realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it
comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the
sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. it would
act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for
this list service got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold".
What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like
to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Woodruff, Michael]

Uhhh   Whats Exchange Server?

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees personalmail


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail
message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their
old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece
of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just
create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there
some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain
is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of
the e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get
set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is
what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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Re: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA

[Chris H]

why do you say that Ed? Once I figured out how to auto-generate a profile
upon login it seems pretty painless . . .
You can even get to it over a browser using the TSAC . . .

- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA


> I would consider it an extremely compelling argument for E2K if it kept
> me from having to deploy Outlook through a terminal server!
>
> Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
> Tech Consultant
> hp Services
> Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris H
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:12 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
>
>
> I agree. My boss is mostly pushing the OWA2K scenario. I just decided to
> push Outlook 2000 on a Terminal Server though. If they go for it who
> knows. You know how management is . . .
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Midgley, Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
>
>
> > Would suggest that OWA on 2K isn't a big enough driver for you to rush
> your
> > AD implementation. Anything wrong with OWA on your existing 5.5
> > architecture? Give you a bit of breathing space to get AD built and
> > operational.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 16:09
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
> >
> >
> > Deep breath:
> >
> >
> >
> > If I want to get 100 people (currently in an nt4 domain/XCH 5.5 SP4)
> > asap
> on
> > xch2k OWA will this work:
> >
> >
> >
> > Install 1 backend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
> >
> > Install 1 frontend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
> >
> >
> >
> > (or just consolidate these onto 1 server and punch port 80/443 through
> > firewall?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Install 2 AD domain controllers (split roles) for accounts (We have AD
> plan
> > written, so we would start enough of this to get us going)
> >
> >
> >
> > Make 2 way trust between nt4 domain and ad
> >
> >
> >
> > Migrate users mailboxes to exch2k server (ADMT or Quest tool)
> >
> >
> >
> > Users with mailboxes on exch2k server either have to log into ad or
> > log
> into
> > nt4 and authenticate every time they use Outlook
> >
> > Thank you for any opinions or suggestions!
> >
> >
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unexplainable email header

[Shawn Connelly]

Can someone please explain how this SPAM email arrived in several mailboxes
within our organization?

At first glance, it appears to have come from a former employee who hasn't
worked here in years and has long been deleted from all servers (address
SPOOFING).  

Some info:  Using Exchange server 5.5 with all current patches and we are
not relaying.  

What I am wondering is why did this occur (not the first time and it seems
to be increasing) and how can I prevent this from occurring again?

On a somewhat related note, I need to find some way to eliminate (at least)
50% of the tremendous volume of SPAM that arrives in our company but I want
a front-end program (not at individual workstations).  
I'm wondering if MIMESWEEPER for SMTP can identify email such as this?  Any
thoughts?

- header info (from OPTIONS) - My comments in **

Received from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217]) by ntinternet.dipix.com
with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
id NH11ZP55; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:07:07 -0400
Received from [203.106.238.32] ([203.106.238.32])  ** FROM APNIC-CIDR-BLK
(ASIA) - A KNOWN RELAY SERVER **
by mx1.magmacom.com (Magma's Mail Server) with SMTP id
g5K483Jf000109;
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning mx1.magmacom.com: [203.106.238.32] didn't use HELO
protocol 
** THE SOURCE ATTEMPTED TO AVOID INDENTIFICATION IN ORDER TO RELAY BUT MY
SERVER CAUGHT 
AND REJECTED EMAIL BUT WHY DID EXCHANGE SEND AN "OBVIOUS" SPAM TO AN
INTERNAL RECIPIENT? **
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** FORMER EMPLOYEE BUT NOT A VALID ADDRESS - PREFIX
REMOVED **
Subject Refinance and Save $$$
Received from dipix.com by 0YNGCJVC.dipix.com with SMTP for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:39 -0500
Message-Id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:39 -0500
X-Priority 3
To [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
Thank you,
Shawn



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unexplainable email header

[Shawn Connelly]

Can someone please explain how this SPAM email arrived in several mailboxes
within our organization?

At first glance, it appears to have come from a former employee who hasn't
worked here in years and has long been deleted from all servers (address
SPOOFING).  

Some info:  Using Exchange server 5.5 with all current patches and we are
not relaying.  

What I am wondering is why did this occur (not the first time and it seems
to be increasing) and how can I prevent this from occurring again?

On a somewhat related note, I need to find some way to eliminate (at least)
50% of the tremendous volume of SPAM that arrives in our company but I want
a front-end program (not at individual workstations).  
I'm wondering if MIMESWEEPER for SMTP can identify email such as this?  Any
thoughts?

- header info (from OPTIONS) - My comments in **

Received: from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217]) by ntinternet.dipix.com
with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21)
id NH11ZP55; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:07:07 -0400
Received: from [203.106.238.32] ([203.106.238.32])  ** FROM APNIC-CIDR-BLK
(ASIA) - A KNOWN RELAY SERVER **
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g5K483Jf000109;
Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.magmacom.com: [203.106.238.32] didn't use HELO
protocol 
** THE SOURCE ATTEMPTED TO AVOID INDENTIFICATION IN ORDER TO RELAY BUT MY
SERVER CAUGHT 
AND REJECTED EMAIL BUT WHY DID EXCHANGE SEND AN "OBVIOUS" SPAM TO AN
INTERNAL RECIPIENT? **
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** FORMER EMPLOYEE BUT NOT A VALID ADDRESS -
PREFIX REMOVED **
Subject: Refinance and Save $$$
Received: from dipix.com by 0YNGCJVC.dipix.com with SMTP for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:39 -0500
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:08:39 -0500
X-Priority: 3
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
Thank you,
Shawn



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RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

[Martin, Jon]

Thank you for your thorough input.

In our case this is not a bottleneck I am working on. We are getting ready
to upgrade our Exchange 5.5 system to Exchange 2000 on new servers. We have
the RAID 0+1, numerous fast fiber-attached spindles, fast log drives, etc.
The question came up because if these parameters are going to be modified,
now (when I have not yet gone production) is the time to do it. 


 -Original Message-
From:   Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:08 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

You might consider the book "Scaling Microsoft Exchange 2000: Create and
Optimize High-Performance Exchange Messaging Systems" by Pierre Bijaoui from
Comp^h^h^h^hHP.

There are also a couple MEC presentations around that he did that dive into
this pretty thoroughly.

Correct tuning of your disks can result in up to a 4x I/O delta.  Now, not
all of this is done in stripe size; part of it is in the RAID level you
choose and the number of spindles.  You may find that just adding a couple
more spindles makes more difference than any chunk/stripe size changes.

Don't focus as much on the exchange database drive though.  Most of the
activity there is reads and they're cached pretty efficiently by the OS.
You can note that the EDB file grows in 1MB chunks, so perhaps that's a
reasonable number to work with.  If you want to impact perceivable
performance, tune the log drives to improve the synchronous write
performance.

Also note that if you're bottleneck is not the drives, no amount of I/O
improvement will change the user experience.  In other words, if your
existing disks support N I/O operations per second and your users are only
driving it to N/4, improving to 2N makes no difference to the users.

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-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:57 AM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question
Subject: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question


Exchange writes to the database in 4k pages. This being the case, does it
not make sense to format database drives in 4k Allocation Units (clusters)?
And beyond that, since my RAID controller gives me the ability to control
the stripe size, shouldn't make this 4k also? Get everyone (database, OS and
hardware) in 4k harmony, so to speak.

On a similar track regarding transaction logs, if we have valid information
as to the average size of messages in our system, would there be a
performance boost by configuring the transaction log drive to use clusters
and stripes close to (but a little bigger) that the average message size?

Or, do I have no clue as to how these things work (always a possibility)?

Thanks . . .

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

Don't laugh but what's a "DL"?

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it
all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees
get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that
does
not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they
have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known
to
man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail
box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an
e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E.
it
would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server
went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list
service
got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks
like
when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific
addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Ed Crowley]

I don't think you do.

Todd, please verify that you have enabled deleted item recovery in the
properties of the private information store.  Were the items you're
looking for deleted after you enabled deleted item recovery?

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of missy koslosky
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
to work.  Anyone?

- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
3 buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
emptied the deleted items.



What do you mean, "ghosted"?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
>
> Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in

> the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> everything
> is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> mail.
>  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> item
> deletions are set properly.>
>
> Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
you
> are
> > replying too.
> >
> > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> >
> > And you dont want that.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Data Support Specialist
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Yes
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> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
highlighted
> when
> checking?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the 
> server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be 
> deletd from
> the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
can't
> think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the 
> server not the client or client proccess?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover 
> Deleted Items when in that folder.
>
> Neil
>
>
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Ed Crowley]

Easier to administer and less impact on the server:  Create a
distribution list with no members and assign the defunct addresses to
it.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Akerlund,
Scott
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.
Assign it all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete
the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any
e-mail message that does not resolve to one of our employees. When we
kill their old e-mail box, they have inevitably set them selves to
receive every piece of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. I
realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it
comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the
sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. it would
act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for
this list service got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold".
What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like
to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA

[Ed Crowley]

I would consider it an extremely compelling argument for E2K if it kept
me from having to deploy Outlook through a terminal server!

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA


I agree. My boss is mostly pushing the OWA2K scenario. I just decided to
push Outlook 2000 on a Terminal Server though. If they go for it who
knows. You know how management is . . .

- Original Message -
From: "Midgley, Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA


> Would suggest that OWA on 2K isn't a big enough driver for you to rush
your
> AD implementation. Anything wrong with OWA on your existing 5.5 
> architecture? Give you a bit of breathing space to get AD built and 
> operational.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 20 June 2002 16:09
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
>
>
> Deep breath:
>
>
>
> If I want to get 100 people (currently in an nt4 domain/XCH 5.5 SP4) 
> asap
on
> xch2k OWA will this work:
>
>
>
> Install 1 backend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
>
> Install 1 frontend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
>
>
>
> (or just consolidate these onto 1 server and punch port 80/443 through
> firewall?)
>
>
>
> Install 2 AD domain controllers (split roles) for accounts (We have AD
plan
> written, so we would start enough of this to get us going)
>
>
>
> Make 2 way trust between nt4 domain and ad
>
>
>
> Migrate users mailboxes to exch2k server (ADMT or Quest tool)
>
>
>
> Users with mailboxes on exch2k server either have to log into ad or 
> log
into
> nt4 and authenticate every time they use Outlook
>
> Thank you for any opinions or suggestions!
>
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RE: Uninstall E2K

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Call PSS.

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Discussions
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:36 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Uninstall E2K


I like to uninstall Exchange patch, Q303451... But it's complaining
about iisproto.dll not being the right version.  Does anyone know a way
around it?

I'm at 6.0.5762.3 and it's expecting 6.0.4720.42.

... And this is all because I want to have a clean Add/Remove Program
... 

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

Can you still create dummy mailboxes with Exchange 2000? I thought thy all had to have 
a valid NT account to create one.

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign it
all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that ex-employees
get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that does
not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they
have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known to
man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail
box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an
e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. it
would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our server
went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list service
got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like
when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Andy David]

create a DL with all the email addresses, no members and hide it. No rule
required. 

-Original Message-
From: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign
it
all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become
vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that
ex-employees
get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that
does
not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they
have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known
to
man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail
box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an
e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E.
it
would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our
server
went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list
service
got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks
like
when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific
addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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RE: Fw: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Ed Crowley]

And your point is?

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Fw: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I disagree if you do not set item deletion item settings in the server
mail will be deleted when you delete it.

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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

That is about the only thing I can think of that I have not done???

Thanks

> I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
> to work.  Anyone?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> 
> I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
> from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
> 3
> buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
> listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
> or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
> emptied the deleted items.
> 
> 
> 
> What do you mean, "ghosted"?
> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> > the
> > Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> > everything
> > is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> > mail.
> >  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> > item
> > deletions are set properly.>
> >
> > Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
> you
> > are
> > > replying too.
> > >
> > > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> > >
> > > And you dont want that.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Mr Louis Joyce
> > > Data Support Specialist
> > > BT Ignite eSolutions
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
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> > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> > Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> > Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
> highlighted
> > when
> > checking?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ]
> > Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> > I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
> > server
> > deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
> > from
> > the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> > localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> > recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
> can't
> > think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
> > server
> > not the client or client proccess?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> > Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> > Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
> > Deleted Items when in that folder.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Woodruff, Michael]

No..  At least I don't think.

-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting to
work.  Anyone?

- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the 3
buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail listed
in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted or the
server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and emptied
the deleted items.



What do you mean, "ghosted"?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
>
> Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in 
> the Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> everything
> is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> mail.
>  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> item
> deletions are set properly.>
>
> Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
you
> are
> > replying too.
> >
> > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> >
> > And you dont want that.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Data Support Specialist
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > To: Exchange Discussions personalmail
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Yes
> >
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> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
highlighted
> when
> checking?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the 
> server deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be 
> deletd from
> the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
can't
> think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the 
> server not the client or client proccess?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover 
> Deleted Items when in that folder.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Andy David]

Nope.


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
to work.  Anyone?

- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
3
buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
emptied the deleted items.



What do you mean, "ghosted"?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
>
> Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> the
> Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> everything
> is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> mail.
>  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> item
> deletions are set properly.>
>
> Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
you
> are
> > replying too.
> >
> > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> >
> > And you dont want that.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Data Support Specialist
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Yes
> >
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>
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
highlighted
> when
> checking?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
> server
> deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
> from
> the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
can't
> think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
> server
> not the client or client proccess?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
> Deleted Items when in that folder.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[missy koslosky]

I don't remember if you need to stop and restart the IS for this setting
to work.  Anyone?

- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the
3
buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
emptied the deleted items.



What do you mean, "ghosted"?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
>
> Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> the
> Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> everything
> is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> mail.
>  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> item
> deletions are set properly.>
>
> Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what
you
> are
> > replying too.
> >
> > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> >
> > And you dont want that.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Data Support Specialist
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Yes
> >
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> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder
highlighted
> when
> checking?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
> server
> deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
> from
> the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I
can't
> think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
> server
> not the client or client proccess?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
> Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
> Deleted Items when in that folder.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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RE: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Akerlund, Scott]

The best method I have seen for this is to create a dummy mailbox.  Assign it
all the SMTP addresses for the former employees.

Open this mailbox and set up an inbox rule wizard to permanently delete the
messages as they come in.   For all practical purposes they become vaporized.

Not exactly RCW and such compliant, but it works.

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Arch Willingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees


Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that ex-employees
get? I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that does
not resolve to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they
have inevitably set them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known to
man so I get tons of them. I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail
box to kill it as it comes to me, but is there some kid of way to return an
e-mail to the sender that acts like the domain is no longer available (I.E. it
would act like it bounced and we no longer exist). For example, when our server
went down during the conversion, all of the e-mails I get for this list service
got bounced back and my account get set to "on-hold". What ever it looks like
when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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Re: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA

[Chris H]

I agree. My boss is mostly pushing the OWA2K scenario. I just decided to
push Outlook 2000 on a Terminal Server though. If they go for it who knows.
You know how management is . . .

- Original Message -
From: "Midgley, Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA


> Would suggest that OWA on 2K isn't a big enough driver for you to rush
your
> AD implementation. Anything wrong with OWA on your existing 5.5
> architecture? Give you a bit of breathing space to get AD built and
> operational.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 20 June 2002 16:09
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA
>
>
> Deep breath:
>
>
>
> If I want to get 100 people (currently in an nt4 domain/XCH 5.5 SP4) asap
on
> xch2k OWA will this work:
>
>
>
> Install 1 backend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
>
> Install 1 frontend exch2k server in my 5.5 site
>
>
>
> (or just consolidate these onto 1 server and punch port 80/443 through
> firewall?)
>
>
>
> Install 2 AD domain controllers (split roles) for accounts (We have AD
plan
> written, so we would start enough of this to get us going)
>
>
>
> Make 2 way trust between nt4 domain and ad
>
>
>
> Migrate users mailboxes to exch2k server (ADMT or Quest tool)
>
>
>
> Users with mailboxes on exch2k server either have to log into ad or log
into
> nt4 and authenticate every time they use Outlook
>
> Thank you for any opinions or suggestions!
>
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RE: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question

[Webb, Andy]

You might consider the book "Scaling Microsoft Exchange 2000: Create and Optimize 
High-Performance Exchange Messaging Systems" by Pierre Bijaoui from Comp^h^h^h^hHP.

There are also a couple MEC presentations around that he did that dive into this 
pretty thoroughly.

Correct tuning of your disks can result in up to a 4x I/O delta.  Now, not all of this 
is done in stripe size; part of it is in the RAID level you choose and the number of 
spindles.  You may find that just adding a couple more spindles makes more difference 
than any chunk/stripe size changes.

Don't focus as much on the exchange database drive though.  Most of the activity there 
is reads and they're cached pretty efficiently by the OS.  You can note that the EDB 
file grows in 1MB chunks, so perhaps that's a reasonable number to work with.  If you 
want to impact perceivable performance, tune the log drives to improve the synchronous 
write performance.

Also note that if you're bottleneck is not the drives, no amount of I/O improvement 
will change the user experience.  In other words, if your existing disks support N I/O 
operations per second and your users are only driving it to N/4, improving to 2N makes 
no difference to the users.

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-Original Message-
From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:57 AM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question
Subject: Allocation Unit (Cluster) Size Question


Exchange writes to the database in 4k pages. This being the case, does it
not make sense to format database drives in 4k Allocation Units (clusters)?
And beyond that, since my RAID controller gives me the ability to control
the stripe size, shouldn't make this 4k also? Get everyone (database, OS and
hardware) in 4k harmony, so to speak.

On a similar track regarding transaction logs, if we have valid information
as to the average size of messages in our system, would there be a
performance boost by configuring the transaction log drive to use clusters
and stripes close to (but a little bigger) that the average message size?

Or, do I have no clue as to how these things work (always a possibility)?

Thanks . . .

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RE: Block Size

[Martin, Jon]

My theory:

1. Assuming you install the OS on a new drive, the boot/OS drive is in 4k
blocks by default. You can probably pre-NTFS-format the drive in another
machine with larger or smaller blocks, but you may create other issues by
doing so.

2. Exchange writes to the database in 4k pages. Numerous Q docs mention
this. Formatting the drive in 4k blocks may have a beneficial effect.

3. Best as I can tell, the transaction logs, which are 5mb each, are written
to transaction by transaction. Use performance monitor or other tools to
figure out what your average transaction size is (this assumes you have a
system in place already to monitor), and make the block size the next size
up from that (assuming your average transaction is not above 64k).

This is just my theory . . .



 -Original Message-
From:   Marc Mearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:Block Size

User Group

We are using Exchange 2000 SP2 NT 2000 SP2

Can someone please point me to a document that will give me definitive
answers to my questions below or can respond with positive answers:

1. What should the block size be for the Transaction logs (assuming that I
have placed then on a different disk volume)

2. What should the block size be for the database taking into consideration
that you have edb and stm files on the same volume.

3. What should the block size be for the operating system.

4. Can you please give an explanation as to why you would use the
recommended block size for the above 3 questions.

5. Can anyone recommend a good TechNet article that covers this topic.

Note I have looked on TechNet but have not really found anything concrete
and on the user group archives.


Regards

Marc Mearns

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Kill new e-mail messages to previous employees

[Arch Willingham]

Is there some brilliant way to delete all of the junk e-mail that ex-employees get? 
I.E. I have it (Exchange 2000) set to send me any e-mail message that does not resolve 
to one of our employees. When we kill their old e-mail box, they have inevitably set 
them selves to receive every piece of junk e-mail known to man so I get tons of them. 
I realize I could just create a rule in my e-mail box to kill it as it comes to me, 
but is there some kid of way to return an e-mail to the sender that acts like the 
domain is no longer available (I.E. it would act like it bounced and we no longer 
exist). For example, when our server went down during the conversion, all of the 
e-mails I get for this list service got bounced back and my account get set to 
"on-hold". What ever it looks like when my e-mail gets bounced is what I would like to 
do for specific addresses. 

Does this make sense or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Thanks,

Arch Willingham

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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

I click on deleted items in Outlook.  I then go to recover deleted items
from the tool bar.  It opens the window but the window is empty and the 3
buttons are dimmed as I am sure due to the fact that there is no mail
listed in the window.  It seems that all the mail is either hard deleted
or the server is not holding it even though I just deleted a message and
emptied the deleted items.



What do you mean, "ghosted"?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> 
> Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
> the
> Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
> everything
> is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
> mail.
>  I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
> item
> deletions are set properly.>
> 
> Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what you
> are
> > replying too.
> >
> > I can already sense missy getting mad.
> >
> > And you dont want that.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mr Louis Joyce
> > Data Support Specialist
> > BT Ignite eSolutions
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> >
> >
> > Yes
> >
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> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
> Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder highlighted
> when
> checking?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
> server
> deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
> from
> the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
> localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
> recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I can't
> think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
> server
> not the client or client proccess?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
> Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
> Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
> Deleted Items when in that folder.
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[missy koslosky]

What do you mean, "ghosted"?
- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in
the
Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and
everything
is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted
mail.
 I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for
item
deletions are set properly.>

Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what you
are
> replying too.
>
> I can already sense missy getting mad.
>
> And you dont want that.
>
> Regards
>
> Mr Louis Joyce
> Data Support Specialist
> BT Ignite eSolutions
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
>
>
> Yes
>
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Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder highlighted
when
checking?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
]
Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
server
deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
from
the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I can't
think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
server
not the client or client proccess?

Thanks

Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
Deleted Items when in that folder.

Neil



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RE: Block Size

[MS Exchange Discussions]

Block size or file size?

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:37 PM
Posted To: MS Exchange Discussions
Conversation: Block Size
Subject: Re: Block Size


I made a mistake. EDB files are a set of 4K byte pages/files. Log files
are
5K files. As far as the OS goes the default should be fine. The info
comes
from various sources. One is Q314917 and the Disaster Recovery for
Exchange
2000 article. Both are on MS's website. Also some books on Exchange go
into
this in detail. Also Application log files can be adjusted and is
usually
based on number of mailboxes.Both articles should help you.

- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Block Size


Tony

Thanks for your response. Do you know where you got the information on
Block
size from?

I am trying to get something in writing that explicitly says what the
best
block size should be for the database and the transaction logs.

Regards




-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2002 03:33
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Block Size


1 Yes log files should be put on a separate disk  Not if you use
multiple
storage groups you will need separate physical disks. Raid 0+1 is best.
Obviously this is in a perfect world.  The block size is 4K

As far as the other this link may help you further.
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/tips/StorageTip1.asp


- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:38 AM
Subject: Block Size


User Group

We are using Exchange 2000 SP2 NT 2000 SP2

Can someone please point me to a document that will give me definitive
answers to my questions below or can respond with positive answers:

1. What should the block size be for the Transaction logs (assuming that
I
have placed then on a different disk volume)

2. What should the block size be for the database taking into
consideration
that you have edb and stm files on the same volume.

3. What should the block size be for the operating system.

4. Can you please give an explanation as to why you would use the
recommended block size for the above 3 questions.

5. Can anyone recommend a good TechNet article that covers this topic.

Note I have looked on TechNet but have not really found anything
concrete
and on the user group archives.


Regards

Marc Mearns

Mobile - 07775-630508
Office  - 020 7695 0286


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Re: Block Size

[Tony Hlabse]

I made a mistake. EDB files are a set of 4K byte pages/files. Log files are
5K files. As far as the OS goes the default should be fine. The info comes
from various sources. One is Q314917 and the Disaster Recovery for Exchange
2000 article. Both are on MS's website. Also some books on Exchange go into
this in detail. Also Application log files can be adjusted and is usually
based on number of mailboxes.Both articles should help you.

- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Block Size


Tony

Thanks for your response. Do you know where you got the information on Block
size from?

I am trying to get something in writing that explicitly says what the best
block size should be for the database and the transaction logs.

Regards




-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2002 03:33
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Block Size


1 Yes log files should be put on a separate disk  Not if you use multiple
storage groups you will need separate physical disks. Raid 0+1 is best.
Obviously this is in a perfect world.  The block size is 4K

As far as the other this link may help you further.
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/tips/StorageTip1.asp


- Original Message -
From: "Marc Mearns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:38 AM
Subject: Block Size


User Group

We are using Exchange 2000 SP2 NT 2000 SP2

Can someone please point me to a document that will give me definitive
answers to my questions below or can respond with positive answers:

1. What should the block size be for the Transaction logs (assuming that I
have placed then on a different disk volume)

2. What should the block size be for the database taking into consideration
that you have edb and stm files on the same volume.

3. What should the block size be for the operating system.

4. Can you please give an explanation as to why you would use the
recommended block size for the above 3 questions.

5. Can anyone recommend a good TechNet article that covers this topic.

Note I have looked on TechNet but have not really found anything concrete
and on the user group archives.


Regards

Marc Mearns

Mobile - 07775-630508
Office  - 020 7695 0286


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Uninstall E2K

[MS Exchange Discussions]

I like to uninstall Exchange patch, Q303451... But it's complaining
about iisproto.dll not being the right version.  Does anyone know a way
around it?

I'm at 6.0.5762.3 and it's expecting 6.0.4720.42.

... And this is all because I want to have a clean Add/Remove Program
... 

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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

Thanks.  I apologize I forgot to check the reply box.  Anyway  I am in the
Deleted folder in Outlook and I go to recover deleted items and everything
is ghosted as if the server beleives that it should not hold deleted mail.
 I think it is a server issue but it seems that the usual setting for item
deletions are set properly.>

Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what you
are
> replying too.
> 
> I can already sense missy getting mad.
> 
> And you dont want that.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mr Louis Joyce
> Data Support Specialist
> BT Ignite eSolutions
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Youngbauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
> 
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Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:13:44 -0400
Author: "missy koslosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working
Body: You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder highlighted
when
checking?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Sent: 19 June 2002 21:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

I realize that. When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the server
deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd from
the server as they are deleted from the client. I have set the server
localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
recover mail from the client. I have also applied the policies. I can't
think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the server
not the client or client proccess?

Thanks

Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:28:49 +0100
Author: "Neil Hobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

Just going into Deleted Items isn't enough. Choose Tools / Recover
Deleted Items when in that folder.

Neil



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RE: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA

[Midgley, Ian]

Would suggest that OWA on 2K isn't a big enough driver for you to rush your
AD implementation. Anything wrong with OWA on your existing 5.5
architecture? Give you a bit of breathing space to get AD built and
operational.

-Original Message-
From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2002 16:09
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Quick Migration Scenario to get XCH2k OWA


Deep breath:



If I want to get 100 people (currently in an nt4 domain/XCH 5.5 SP4) asap on
xch2k OWA will this work:



Install 1 backend exch2k server in my 5.5 site

Install 1 frontend exch2k server in my 5.5 site



(or just consolidate these onto 1 server and punch port 80/443 through
firewall?)



Install 2 AD domain controllers (split roles) for accounts (We have AD plan
written, so we would start enough of this to get us going)



Make 2 way trust between nt4 domain and ad



Migrate users mailboxes to exch2k server (ADMT or Quest tool)



Users with mailboxes on exch2k server either have to log into ad or log into
nt4 and authenticate every time they use Outlook

Thank you for any opinions or suggestions!


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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Andy David]

We have no bananas


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


Yes

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RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Louis Joyce]

Todd. You're snipping off the rest of the thread. We cant tell what you are
replying too.

I can already sense missy getting mad.

And you dont want that.

Regards

Mr Louis Joyce
Data Support Specialist
BT Ignite eSolutions


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Sent: 20 June 2002 17:18
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


Yes

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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[Todd Youngbauer]

Yes

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Re: Fw: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[missy koslosky]

You know, I have no idea what you're responding to here.
- Original Message - 
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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I disagree if you do not set item deletion item settings in the server
mail will be deleted when you delete it.

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Re: Help with Deletion setting that are not working

[missy koslosky]

You're certain that you have the Deleted Items folder highlighted when
checking?
- Original Message -
From: "Todd Youngbauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: Help with Deletion setting that are not working


I realize that.  When I go there it is ghosted out as if I have the
server
deletion setting set to 0 days which would flag messages to be deletd
from
the server as they are deleted from the client.  I have set the server
localy and through policy to hold deleted mail for 14 days but can not
recover mail from the client.  I have also applied the policies.  I
can't
think of what I am missing but assume that it is an issue with the
server
not the client or client proccess?

Thanks

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