RE: NT 2000 backup of Exchange.

[Bubba G]

It is Exchange aware only after you load Exchange. One of the things
Exchange does is modify ntbackup to be Exchange aware.


-Original Message-
From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: NT 2000 backup of Exchange.


>From what I have been reading the Windows NT 2000 version of
ntbackup.exe is not Exchange aware.

I know they tell you to to use the Exchange 2000 version for MS Exchange
2000 Server.  Admittedly, I don't recall anything about using it with MS
Exchange 5.5.

Nate Couch
EDS Messaging

> --
> From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (PFEFFEPE)
> Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2002 11:23
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  NT 2000 backup of Exchange.
> 
> Exchange 5.5 SP4 under NT 2000 SP2.
> 
> Well we have our first 2000 server up running Exchange 5.5 SP3.   I'm
> trying
> to get the backups to run similar to what I had with NT 4.0.  With the

> 4.0 version I had the cmd set to initialize any tape in the drive, 
> backup and eject and mail the logs for verification.
> 
> With 2000 I used the wizard to create the backup but I can't seem to 
> get it to grab any tape I have inserted.  I tried adding multiple 
> tapes to the media pool with the same name, but I always get "The 
> operation was not performed, no storage media was specified" message 
> on the report.  What am I
> missing?  There must be a simple way to say any tape in there grab it
and
> use it for a backup.  
> 
> Pete Pfefferkorn
> Senior Systems Engineer/Mail Administrator
> University of Cincinnati
> 51 Goodman Street
> Cincinnati, OH  45221
> Phone - (513) 556-9076
> Fax - (513) 556-2042
> 
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RE: To "Great Cthulhu Jones"

[Bubba G]

Apparently, you have not read the GCJ FAQ:

Top 10 Things to NEVER Say to Great Cthulhu 
As told to Dean Webb by Great Cthulhu...

10. How do you spell your na- (URK!)
9. How do you pronou- (GAHHCK!)
8. What are you going to do with that tenta- (WUGGLGLGLGL!)
7. You're not as mean as people say you are, are y- (AAA!)
6. Where is that Elder Si- (MMMPHH!)
5. Aren't you really Dean W- (RRRGGGH!)
4. You think you're tough, huh? Why don't you hit me with your be-
(WOWOWOOOWWEEE!)
3. I don't think you're re- (AAAUGHH!)
2. Hey, here's a good one! How many Great Old Ones does it take to screw
in a lightbul- (FZZTTT!)

...and the NUMBER ONE THING NOT TO NOT SAY TO GREAT CTHULHU:
Why are U cursing me? (FLUEROINVKXXDERRACCKOTRUBUBLISCHINGGG!)



-Original Message-
From: Ray Beckwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OT: To "Great Cthulhu Jones"


A humble question to the Great one. I am relatively new to the list
(been monitoring and occasionally posting for about 2 years) and I have
always wondered, what is the correct pronunciation of your name. I would
hate to insult your greatness by mispronouncing it when paying homage.


Thanks...Ray

Quote of the day:
When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to
laugh at him.
-- Thomas Szasz


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RE: Full Text Indexing

[Bubba G]

If you have Sharepoint Portal Server you can do Exchange Public folders,
web sites, file servers, Lotus Notes R5 DB, and STS so that they can
have one place to go for all of there "finding".



-Original Message-
From: Tom Meunier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Full Text Indexing


You are correct.  The following file types, up to 16mb in size by
default, change-able with a reg hack: .doc, .xls, .ppt, .html, .htm,
.asp, .txt, and .eml 

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Posted At: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:40 AM
> Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
> Conversation: Full Text Indexing
> Subject: RE: Full Text Indexing
> 
> 
> My impression has been that Exchange 2000 indexing searches
> within attachments
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: EXTERN Hlabse Tony (Tek Systems;RBNA/CIT1)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: Full Text Indexing
> 
> 
> Err on earlier response. You would need 3rd party app. to
> search attachments.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Allan Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: Full Text Indexing
> 
> 
> My email packrats (err users) have asked for the ability to
> do full text searches against mail messages and attachments.  
> I would appreciate any feedback on available products, 
> hopefully use/don't use.
> 
> Slipstick has a number of options and I have also read
> "Integrating Microsoft Site Server Search with Microsoft 
> Exchange" and Ex2000 Full indexing.
> 
> Any advice or opinions are appreciated.  Current environment Ex
> 5.5 SP4 on
> NT 4.  Perhaps this is the "Killer App" to get management to 
> let me upgrade
> :o).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Allan Johnson
> 
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RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)

[Bubba G]

A fitting end to a circular discussion.

-Original Message-
From: Wilson, Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:58 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


 
But seriously the exception is the colonoscopy which if it detects and
removes polyps can SAVE your life. 
Mine was painless, fell asleep listening to Beatles, awoke in a fine
fettle with 6 polyps gone ..  good for 5 years till the next one.

Fenton

* www.kathmandukids.org  -  saving one child at a time - low key yet
high impact *

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Great Cthulhu
Jones
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


Which is a good thing, believe you me. I won't go into details on the
list, but, yeah, it's a good thing to not be anally probed.

(:=

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Crowley
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


I have never been anal probed.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Harmon,
Michelle M.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:50 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


And who the hell is Cartman and why should he throw exceptions,
anyway?!?

-Original Message-
From: Great Cthulhu Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:47 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


He knows, but is sworn to secrecy on the subject. About all he'll ever
offer is the cryptic riddle, "Try them and see." If you spent more than
a millisecond deciphering that irony-laden statement, you would realize
a dawn of knowledge you never before imagined possible, which is
probably why you didn't spend any amount of time in excess of said
millisecond trying to suss out the meaning of Ed's Chinese puzzle.

You obviously haven't realized the connection between MS Exchange and
the JFK assassination. Once you do, you'll stop writing responses like
the one below and focus instead on that strange Error 45998 from the
SMTP engine, "Error 0008400D-C445643F in garrison.dll..."

(:=

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:09 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


I think that an answer of "You know, I have no clue." would have been
better
:)

The purpose of asking was to see if anyone knew. I know I could do some
testing but I that would not show me everything. Testing will only give
me a partial answer and I am looking for a complete one.

Thanks for the attempt though!

Joe Rojas

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)

Try them and see.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP kcCC+I
Tech Consultant
hp Services
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: IMC Logging Levels? (take 2)


Hi All,

I am trying to find some kind of documentation on the different
levels of logging in the 'diagnostics logging' tab of the IMC (Exchange
5.5). I am trying to find out what is logged at the different levels for
all the categories. (Initialization/Termination, Addressing, Message
Transfer, SMTP Interface Events, Internal Processing, SMTP Protocol Log,
and Message
Archival)

Thanks in advance!

Joe Rojas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: TEST - Answer

[Bubba G]

No, that would be the answer for

RAID1, RAID1, RAID 0+1


-Original Message-
From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


os, logs, store

-Original Message-
From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:00 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


RAID 1, RAID 1, RAID 5

for 100 points



-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST


He did.didn't you see the question mark. On a side not let's change
things up today and post answers. Then everyone has to respond in the
form of a question.we'll make Tuesday jeopardy Day for the list

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N. Precht
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:52 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST


Why not post a question?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Exchange.ListServe
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 07:28
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: TEST


list dead or unsubscribed?

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RE: TEST - Answer

[Bubba G]

What is a PHB?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


I'm sure it could get worse. New answer. A boss that thinks he knows
something about computers and tries to tell you how to do things yet he
has a hard time with the right clicking concept

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


This thread.


-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: TEST - Answer


What is Exchange Hell?

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Dugas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 13:23
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


> Ok..  Let me try this...
>
>
> A peircing beeping noise coming from your Exchange server when you
> come in tomorrow morning.
>
>
> 
> Brian
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
>
>
> shut up Shut Up SHUT UP!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:17 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > No no no.
> >
> >
> >
> > You have to give the answer, the answer has to be in the form of a
> > question...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:12 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > Well, then:
> > I am new to exchange, how do I setup my hardware?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:12 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > Ahhas to be in the form of a question
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Waters,
> > Jeff
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:05 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > os, logs, store
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:00 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > RAID 1, RAID 1, RAID 5
> >
> > for 100 points
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:54 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST
> >
> >
> > He did.didn't you see the question mark. On a side not let's
> > change things up today and post answers. Then everyone has to 
> > respond in the form of a question.we'll make Tuesday jeopardy 
> > Day for the list
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
> > Precht
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:52 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST
> >
> >
> > Why not post a question?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Exchange.ListServe
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 07:28
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: TEST
> >
> >
> > list dead or unsubscribed?
> >
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RE: TEST - Answer

[Bubba G]

But I can't. I thought this thread was a waste of bandwidth... until I
knew the answer anyway. Then I thought it was worthwhile for at least my
email (no double standard here). I will pass on a follow-up question.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


Ding dingyou win. Let's start with the person that gets the answer
right gets to ask the next question.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bubba G
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


What is a PHB?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:01 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


I'm sure it could get worse. New answer. A boss that thinks he knows
something about computers and tries to tell you how to do things yet he
has a hard time with the right clicking concept

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy David
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


This thread.


-Original Message-
From: Steven A. Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:52 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: TEST - Answer


What is Exchange Hell?

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Dugas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 13:23
Subject: RE: TEST - Answer


> Ok..  Let me try this...
>
>
> A peircing beeping noise coming from your Exchange server when you
> come in tomorrow morning.
>
>
> 
> Brian
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:20 PM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
>
>
> shut up Shut Up SHUT UP!
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hutchins, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:17 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > No no no.
> >
> >
> >
> > You have to give the answer, the answer has to be in the form of a
> > question...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Waters, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:12 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > Well, then:
> > I am new to exchange, how do I setup my hardware?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:12 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > Ahhas to be in the form of a question
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Waters,
> > Jeff
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:05 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > os, logs, store
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:00 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST - Answer
> >
> >
> > RAID 1, RAID 1, RAID 5
> >
> > for 100 points
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:54 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST
> >
> >
> > He did.didn't you see the question mark. On a side not let's
> > change things up today and post answers. Then everyone has to 
> > respond in the form of a question.we'll make Tuesday jeopardy 
> > Day for the list
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David N.
> > Precht
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:52 AM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: RE: TEST
> >
> >
> > Why not post a question?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
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RE: It all started with a lie - Q313819

[Bubba G]

Or, you could just use Perl.

-Original Message-
From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: It all started with a lie - Q313819


um, i /did/ mention using perl.  it's absolutely my preference too.

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-Original Message-
From: Edgington, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:14 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: It all started with a lie - Q313819


Not to mention using perl as well if you like (this the method we
prefer).



-Original Message-
From: Webb, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: It all started with a lie - Q313819


I always use a script to create accounts using a combination of ADSI and
CDOEXM.  And I populate the msExchAccountControl property in the
process.  With one little script, you can even go back to using your old
CSV file format for creating things.

There's a perl sample at http://www.swinc.com/resource/scripts.htm and
there are WSH samples around in several places too (what used to be the
Compaq ActiveAnswers site for one, CDOLive also had one, the newsgroup
archives have several).

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RE: MEC

[Bubba G]

Good luck finding a hotel at this stage... I just got one this morning
but that was only because "I know this guy that works for the company".

-Original Message-
From: Bennett, Joshua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: MEC


I finally got my boss to sign off on it. I will, hopefully, see you all
there.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: MEC


OK, the time draws near.
Who is going?



Martin Blackstone
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RE: OWA Exchange 2000

[Bubba G]

Maybe one of two things:

1. If they go in IE to:
Tools
Internet Options
General
Settings
Is it set to Check for newer versions "Never" or even "Automatically"? Change it to 
"Every visit to the page".

2. In:
Tools
Internet Options
Security
Internet (Or whatever Web Content Zone that web site is set to)
Custom Level

At the very bottom, does it pass logon credentials automatically (kinda the same thing 
Gordon was asking)?




-Original Message-
From: Morrison, Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA Exchange 2000



IS the website part of their trusted zones within IE?
Try having them hit the server by IP address and see if it works.  If it does, 
register the server with a second domain name in DNS (owabdi.cc, for example).  Do not 
include this second domain name in your trusted zones.


/Gordon

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:15 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA Exchange 2000


I have seen this crap with MAPI Outlook, when the connection gets cached in named 
pipes and even a workstation reboot does not help. But OWA? What could be cached 
there?

-Original Message-
From: Gregory Householder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA Exchange 2000


That sounds exactly like what my problem is.  Except I'm not using a proxy of any 
kind.  They have a direct connection to the internet.  

Greg Householder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: OWA Exchange 2000


I did not take this seriously the other day but now I have a user who can't get into 
OWA. The user belongs to a customer, a company in Brazil. She is not able to log in 
using a particular ID/password. Although she can log in fine using other 
ID/Password(s). There is nothing wrong with this particular ID/Password - I and many 
other people can log in fine from independent locations.

It looks like this user's IE (or proxy?) has cached a connection to a specific mailbox 
and now always wants to hit it, no matter what the logon credentials are. And if the 
credentials don't match the logon is denied.

My guess - something is wrong with the proxy.

-Original Message-
From: Gregory Householder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:32 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OWA Exchange 2000


Hello Everyone.
 
I'm using Exchange 2000 SP3 running on Windows 2000 SP3.  I have two people that are 
having problems getting into OWA.  When they go to the website to login it doesn't ask 
them for a username or password.  It just goes strait into the inbox.  Any ideas? They 
are running IE 6.0 and I have 20 other locations working just fine.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg Householder
Network Specialist
Bravo Development, Inc
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RE: IS 70GB and growing....

[Bubba G]

If your DR time is still within SLA limits, then just keep adding
drives. If not, then either split to two or upgrade to E2K and create
multiple stores... How long has your DR time been since you have grown
the IS to this size?

BG

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 4:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: IS 70GB and growing


Hi guys.

I have an exchange 5.5 on a strong machine. The IS is over 73GB (total
of 500 users). I am thinking whether it is the right move to split this
box into two servers. The main problem is that I will loose SIS...
On the other hand, I will have two smaller databases.

I am sure some of you had this scenario in the past. I would like to
hear your opinions. In case it is important, the IS is going to be moved
to EMC box in 3 months (part of storage project).

I am mostly intersted hearing from happy users with such big IS (are
there?!)

Thanks!


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RE: IS 70GB and growing....

[Bubba G]

Definitely not true. A 10GB database will be corrupt if someone who
doesn't know what they are doing fools with it enough. A 100GB one will
work fine as long as no one messes it up with things like "regular
maintenance of ESEUTIL offline defrag" or other such stuff. I would
second the concern about using EMC as a back end storage. Do you know if
PSS supports that? Yes, this is a test question as I already know the
answer.

BG

BTW, this comment might be completely unrelated to this thread but
hypothetically, any vendor that tells you that they support what MS does
not is just using their PSS contract to support it instead of your PSS
contract. May or may not be pertinent to this thread.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: IS 70GB and growing


Hello.

I have been told  that Exchange 5.5 with IS bigger than 50G is VERY bad.
It means there is big chance the IS won't start after restart.

I am wondering if this is true, meaning, this is an undocument
limitation, and should I be afraid to have IS above 70G? The IS is on
EMC. The server is very very strong and acts very fast

Thanks for your time!


- Original Message -
From: "Chris Scharff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: IS 70GB and growing


> SIS is maintained per database, not per server. So in moving users 
> between databases SIS is maintained on a per database basis. When, how

> and where
you
> should opt for additional servers, databases or storage groups is not 
> a universal formula which can be applied unilaterally. Based on the 
> information you've provided there is no "right" answer. I know of 
> organizations with significantly larger databases than 70GB, whether 
> or
not
> that is appropriate for the organization you are working with is
impossible
> to say at this point.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:11 PM
> > To: Exchange Discussions
> > Subject: Re: IS 70GB and growing
> >
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I think I am missing something.
> >
> > As far as I understand, if I install second exchange server in the 
> > site, I will get a new priv.edb. If I move mailbox to that server, I

> > will loose SIS between servers. So, if a message is sent to 4 
> > mailbox's on one server, and 9 mailboxes on second server, I will 
> > have 2 instance of the same message.
> >
> > Am I right?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Couch, Nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: IS 70GB and growing
> >
> >
> > > I vote for two servers.
> > >
> > > Nate Couch
> > > EDS Messaging
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > From: Great Cthulhu Jones
> > > > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 20:20
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: RE: IS 70GB and growing
> > > >
> > > > Who cares about it, though? If you need two servers, you need 
> > > > two
> > servers.
> > > > If not, buy more hard drives.
> > > >
> > > > (:=
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sakti 
> > > > Chakravarty (Senteq)
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:44 PM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: RE: IS 70GB and growing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If I recall correctly, using the Move Mailbox utility retains 
> > > > SIS.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mark Hanji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 6:29 AM
> > > > To: Exchange Discussions
> > > > Subject: IS 70GB and growing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi guys.
> > > >
> > > > I have an exchange 5.5 on a strong machine. The IS is over 73GB 
> > > > (total
> > of
> > > > 500 users).
> > > > I am thinking whether it is the right move to split this box 
> > > > into two servers. The main problem is that I will loose 
> > > > SIS... On the other hand, I will have two smaller databases.
> > > >
> > > > I am sure some of you had this scenario in the past. I
> > would like to
> > hear
> > > > your opinions.
> > > > In case it is important, the IS is going to be moved to
> > EMC box in 3
> > > > months (part of storage project).
> > > >
> > > > I am mostly intersted hearing from happy users with such
> > big IS (are
> > > > there?!)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
>
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RE: Content Filtering

[Bubba G]

Mr. Content Filter sounds like he is being moved by the same hand that
moves the Count... Hmmm... I smell a conspiracy.

BG

-Original Message-
From: Great Cthulhu Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


I think there's a muppet who does this sort of thing. I saw it on Sesame
Street.

Grover: Oh! I have gotten too much SPAM on my mail server! What will I
do? (Puff of smoke and a new muppet appears)
Grover: Who are you?
Content Filter: They call me... the Content Filter. And do you know
*why* they call me the Content Filter? It is because I *love* to
filter... content. I will go through your message store now!
Grover: Uh, well, you need to first meet with my manager and- Content
Filter: SILENCE! (waves hand and Grover stands perplexed) One... one
piece of SPAM... (hits "Delete" key) Two... two pieces of SPAM... (hits
"Delete" key)...

(:=

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Schwartz, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:46 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


You forgot the quack.

There have been numerous discussions regarding content filtering and how
it works. Decide what you are willing to risk in lost mail, or
additional manpower resources versus what you are trying to accomplish.
Then go find the tool that meets those requirements.

Looking a tools before defining your needs is bass ackwards.

-Original Message-
From: Baker, Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Yes you do. I expect a full report on my desk by 8am tomorrow.

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:33 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


I was going to but haven't had a chance yet. I guess I need to take a
look at it.

-Original Message-
From: Baker, Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Have you installed or tested 7.0?

-Original Message-
From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Antigen is great for virus scanning, but they have only recently gotten
into content scanning. And their content scanning is very basic so far.

-Original Message-
From: Dale Geoffrey Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Sybari Antigen for Exchange is an excellent package.  We use it and are
very happy with the automatic updates and the content filtering.  Also
you can create templates to distribute new changes (upgrades are free
for the life of your contract).  They are releasing their "Gold Package
" at MEC, and were voted "Best of Show for their Gold Package -- Antigen
7.0."

Geoff...



-Original Message-
From: Cooke, Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Excellent that works for me.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Content Filtering


Not what, but who. I am the most reliable content filter for Exchange.
For only $375k (plus 125k annual maint) I'll come filter your mail.

-Original Message-
From: Cooke, Brian
To: Exchange Discussions
Sent: 10/1/2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Content Filtering

Hi all,
I just had a quick question in regards to a content filter add on and
which would be the best to use for Exchange 5.5.  Currently we are using
NEMX but I would like to explore other options.  What do you all feel is
the most reliable content filter?

Thanks,
Brian

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Anyone else having trouble with AOLs new SPAM rules?

[Bubba G]

I have architected for Fortune 10s... but this time I have a small
server on a home network. I use DynDNS.ORG to update the A and MX
records. AOL has just instituted a new policy rejecting any email server
coming from a dynamic IP address. I have emailed them asking about this
but I know they will respond with something like "We are attempting to
reduce SPAM"... even though I reject SPAM on my server's SMTP connector
based on IP because SPAMmers typically use the same ISPs and static IP
addresses... and there are only a handful of ISPs that allow spammers
knowingly.

Anyone else had problems with this lately... or more importantly found a
way around it (other than getting/paying for a static IP address)?


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RE: Anyone else having trouble with AOLs new SPAM rules?

[Bubba G]

I like the idea of me maintaining it better... but I am not seeing where
to specify route by domain

-Original Message-
From: Greg Sachs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:53 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Anyone else having trouble with AOLs new SPAM rules?


I've had problems from a dynamic dns site on a cable modem sending to
aol for a long time.   ISP's smtp server is the only way to go -
smarthost is one way, you can also set up an smtp connector to send mail
to specific domains to your isp's smtp server such as aol.com.   Your
choice if you trust your isp's mail server more, or your ability to keep
the list on your connector current for domains that won't except your
outgoing email directly

-Original Message-
From: Dickenson, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Anyone else having trouble with AOLs new SPAM rules?


Use your ISP's SMTP server as a smarthost for all outgoing mail.

Steven
---
Steven Dickenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Network Administrator
The Key School, Annapolis Maryland 

-----Original Message-
From: Bubba G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Anyone else having trouble with AOLs new SPAM rules?


I have architected for Fortune 10s... but this time I have a small
server on a home network. I use DynDNS.ORG to update the A and MX
records. AOL has just instituted a new policy rejecting any email server
coming from a dynamic IP address. I have emailed them asking about this
but I know they will respond with something like "We are attempting to
reduce SPAM"... even though I reject SPAM on my server's SMTP connector
based on IP because SPAMmers typically use the same ISPs and static IP
addresses... and there are only a handful of ISPs that allow spammers
knowingly.

Anyone else had problems with this lately... or more importantly found a
way around it (other than getting/paying for a static IP address)?


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Backup hardware

[Bubba G]

For those on the Yahoogroups list, my apologies for the duplicate...


For those that are running E2K (or SPS or SQL2K or W2K, etc...) on your
home or small business network...


What are you using for hardware? I have 2 dedicated servers running W2K,
E2K, SQL2K, ISA, SPS among other things as well as 8 workstation/servers
that dual-boot. I have an OnStream ADR 15/30 drive but the drive is too
small now and I am finding I am not backing up rather than fool with it.
I have set my Exchange logs to circular and have realized I need to find
a new tape drive for backup. I presently backup both local and across
the wire for all 10 computers to one computer with the ADR 15/30 tape
drive. What is the best/most reliable 60/120 hardware (and software you
are using for it if it is not NTBackup) for those on a budget out there
now? 


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RE: Backup hardware

[Bubba G]

I saw the Exabyte VXA-2 drives and they appear to be quick (8MPS), large
(80/160), decent media price ($80-$85) and a good price point
($925-$1250). Anyone know of their reliability?



-Original Message-
From: Christopher Hummert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup hardware


I use a VXA tape drive and backup exec. Find them at vxa.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bubba G
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:45 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Backup hardware


For those on the Yahoogroups list, my apologies for the duplicate...


For those that are running E2K (or SPS or SQL2K or W2K, etc...) on your
home or small business network...


What are you using for hardware? I have 2 dedicated servers running W2K,
E2K, SQL2K, ISA, SPS among other things as well as 8 workstation/servers
that dual-boot. I have an OnStream ADR 15/30 drive but the drive is too
small now and I am finding I am not backing up rather than fool with it.
I have set my Exchange logs to circular and have realized I need to find
a new tape drive for backup. I presently backup both local and across
the wire for all 10 computers to one computer with the ADR 15/30 tape
drive. What is the best/most reliable 60/120 hardware (and software you
are using for it if it is not NTBackup) for those on a budget out there
now? 


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RE: Backup hardware

[Bubba G]

Yeah, BUY.COM had this 80GB external USB2 drive on sale yesterday for
$169. I considered several of those as well.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10323086&hdwt=0&loc=101

The DR routine would be a bit more complex if there was a complete
melt-down however... So I decided against it for now and decided to
continue to look at the tape drives.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Backup hardware


Good idea.  I expect to do these in the middle of the night, but that's
still important if you're doing 30 or 40 gb.  I'll go out & see if there
are any reviews out there.


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:44 PM
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, at 10:17am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm thinking of going to the USB2 external drive system for offsite
> storage ...

  Check the speed of the unit (throughput in actual use, not the speed
of the HDD, or the IDE interface, or the USB2 interface) before you make
a purchase.  Some of those things (the no-name stuff, generally) are
much slower than one might expect.

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RE: Backup hardware

[Bubba G]

I had circular logging enabled even before I stopped backing up. And I
was using NTBackup when I was backing up. I stopped backups because the
small tape drive was slow, time consuming, and high-maintenance. 

For any business to enable circular logging is asking for trouble if
they need to enact a DR routine... For home use, worst case (if I was
actually backing up) is that you lose a days mail... A risk I am more
than willing to take.

But thanks for those pristine words of wisdom Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Backup hardware

Let's see. Not backing so you activated circular logging. Wrong. There
are many good solutions out there. In the mean time start using NTbackup
at least, till you decide.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bubba G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:45 AM
Subject: Backup hardware


For those on the Yahoogroups list, my apologies for the duplicate...


For those that are running E2K (or SPS or SQL2K or W2K, etc...) on your
home or small business network...


What are you using for hardware? I have 2 dedicated servers running W2K,
E2K, SQL2K, ISA, SPS among other things as well as 8 workstation/servers
that dual-boot. I have an OnStream ADR 15/30 drive but the drive is too
small now and I am finding I am not backing up rather than fool with it.
I have set my Exchange logs to circular and have realized I need to find
a new tape drive for backup. I presently backup both local and across
the wire for all 10 computers to one computer with the ADR 15/30 tape
drive. What is the best/most reliable 60/120 hardware (and software you
are using for it if it is not NTBackup) for those on a budget out there
now?


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RE: Backup hardware

[Bubba G]

Yes, that was BUY.COM's "Price Mismatch of the Day" yesterday... $100
off yesterday if I remember.

If DR involves only E2K then an external USB drive could work. If the
whole OS needs to be reloaded, then things like a restore from a floppy
and restore media would be difficult because the floppy would not likely
have a USB 2.0 driver. Conversely, it would likely have a tape drive
driver. So, in that case you would need to do a complete OS restore
first (presumably to a typically non-OS drive), then a DR restore to the
correct location. Then delete the temp-loaded OS. Doable, but a hassle
and a lot longer... Things that are doable but a hassle are the reason I
got to this place to begin with :)

I architect systems for big companies and deal with all their
headaches... I want home to be as hassle-free as possible.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup hardware


Hmmm, $264 today, I'll have to watch closer...what part of the DR
routine do you think would be made more complex?

-Original Message-
From: Bubba G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup hardware


Yeah, BUY.COM had this 80GB external USB2 drive on sale yesterday for
$169. I considered several of those as well.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10323086&hdwt=0&loc=101

The DR routine would be a bit more complex if there was a complete
melt-down however... So I decided against it for now and decided to
continue to look at the tape drives.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup hardware


Good idea.  I expect to do these in the middle of the night, but that's
still important if you're doing 30 or 40 gb.  I'll go out & see if there
are any reviews out there.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Backup hardware


On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, at 10:17am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm thinking of going to the USB2 external drive system for offsite 
> storage ...

  Check the speed of the unit (throughput in actual use, not the speed
of the HDD, or the IDE interface, or the USB2 interface) before you make
a purchase.  Some of those things (the no-name stuff, generally) are
much slower than one might expect.

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RE: FAST RESTORE?

[Bubba G]

Once you get the problem fixed, make sure to go into your anti-virus and
exclude everything having to do with the Exchange database... this
problem should never happen again :)

-Original Message-
From: Jojo Solis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: FAST RESTORE?


actually are antivirus found a YAHA virus in E00.log then it quarantine
the E00.log, i tried to restore the log file but still cant mount the
mailbox store.



-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: FAST RESTORE?


How were they deleted?

- Original Message - 
From: "Jojo Solis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: FAST RESTORE?


what is the fastest way in restoring a deleted edb logs? E00.log was
deleted accidentally and then the mailbox store are not mounted.

E2K SP2

Thanks!

jojo


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Anyone know of a table of client protocols?

[Bubba G]

I have been looking around for a table that shows the different
protocols (MAPI, POP3, IMAP4, and maybe RPC/HTTP) that shows what
clients using them can do. I am writing a document on the options and am
looking to avoid reinventing the wheel on recreating an existing table
if it exists.

Thanks,
BG


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RE: outsource!?

[Bubba G]

and if there are only 250 users/350 mailboxes then I doubt you are
talking about multiple staff members or sites who are effected. This is
just:

1 staff member
1 site
1 server

Correct?

The selling point on your side at that point will be the great deviation
in IBM price that will occur if your company needs to deviate from the
standard pricing. For that small a site, IBM's cost will grow
exponentially with each change. Look for reasons to need to deviate and
how out sourcing will compromise overall user experience and executive
staff features.

BG

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From: Mark Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:41 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: outsource!?

You'll find that IBM are fully au-fait with all the security,
regulatory, recovery and performance aspects.
You are up against IBM who, along with EDS (Whom I just left), CGEY and
a pile of others who have done this inside out and upside down and more
times than you've had hot dinners.
Put all, and I mean all, of your technical aspects to one side. If IBM
are at proposal stage it means they're nowhere near the technical nitty
gritty. That comes with the Due Diligence phase where you will have the
opportunity to lay all the cards on the table and where IBM adjust their
cost model to suit what you say you want versus what they say you really
want and, this is a biggy, what that say they can provide from cheap
Leveraged resources and what they can provide from dedicated resources.

The more they can provide from Leveraged resources the cheaper it'll
become and the less viable an internal solution becomes.

All of your bullet points will be met with indifference since they're
pretty run of the mill.

You will most likely find that IBM taking over the servers does not
necessarily mean taking them into their own data centres. It could just
as easily mean that they transition some of you employees into IBM
(making some redundant later) and manage the boxes on your current
sites.

The reason IBM are coming in is that your CIO wants the same job done
cheaper, not necessarily better, just cheaper. Better is a luxury
Your best hope is to conduct a root and branch review of exactly what
you have got, what you can get rid of and consolidate, how many staff
you can afford to lay off as part of internal cost savings, and finally
what your cost savings will be as a result of the internal
rationalisations.

You will be onto a loser in the long run since it's a foot in the door
to total IT outsourcing and business process re-engineering.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Hill
Sent: 16 November 2003 03:57
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: outsource!?

My CIO has asked me to attend a meeting in which IBM is going to propose
outsourcing our e-mail services, taking over for our 350 Exchange 2000
mailboxes.

I'm looking for arguments to marshal against outsourcing.  So far, what
I've got is:
*   security:  We use Clearswift MIMEsweeper to block incoming (and
outgoing) messages containing viruses or executable files (.bat, .exe,
etc.).  This being IBM, I'm sure they can protect against viruses,
though.
*   disaster recovery:  Our disaster site is updated in real time.
During the blackout in August e-mail was up twenty minutes after I
arrived at the DR site.  Again, probably not a potent line item against
IBM.
*   regulatory:  we have some regulatory requirements for keeping
all records (including e-mail) on site for seven years.
*   integration:  Our CRM solution integrates directly into
Exchange, adding contacts directly to the users' mailboxes.  
*   performance:  I have trouble seeing how performance would be
adequate when the mail server is off site.
*   price:  250 users.  350 mailboxes.  140GB/month (according to
the Journal folders).  That can't be cheap.
*   legacy:  Seven years of preexisting e-mail, spread out among
mailboxes and pst files.  About 200GB all told.

What else am I missing?

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RE: Exchange IM

[Bubba G]

That was true up until v5 and v6 came out. They are made specifically to
work side-by-side. 

MSN Messenger 6.0
Windows Messenger 5.0

BG

-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:58 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange IM


Outlook doesn't come with an IM client.  It's a separate download, or
you can use the one that comes built-in with Windows XP/Windows 2000
(updated to newest version, of course).  I am using Office 2003, yet my
IM client is Windows Messenger v5.0.

Also, to answer another question about having 2 versions side by side,
my experience is that you can only have 1 MSN Messenger/Windows
Messenger client installed.  If you install 6.0, it will replace 5.0 and
you will no longer have Exchange IM support.  I found this out the hard
way a while ago. 


Ben Winzenz
Network Engineer
Gardner & White
(317) 581-1580 ext 418


-Original Message-
From: Erick Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Posted At: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:50 PM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: Exchange IM
Subject: Exchange IM


Is the chat/IM client that comes with Outlook 2003 the same one that
comes with Outlook 2000? Or is it the version of Exchange that
determines the version of the IM client?

I'm thinking about rolling out an IM system, but we're going to be
moving to Outlook 2003 before the year is up, so I don't want to invest
in user training if it the versions are different.

Thanks,
Erick

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RE: Not sending to Hotmail???

[Bubba G]

>From their SMTP server, try to telnet to the Hotmail server to see if it
connects or comes back with an error:

telnet <> 25

You can do an NSLOOKUP to get the IP if you need it. Also, if NSLOOKUP
comes back empty, then Exchange's DNS lookups are also coming back empty
and you can look at the potential DNS problem.

hth,
Bubba G

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Subject: Not sending to Hotmail???


Hi,
a couple of days ago, a client said that they could not send email to
any
addresses at hotmail.com. I tried myself from their server and indeed,
you
cant.
I checked the DNS settings on the server and looked at what the domain
hotmail.com resolves to, and it looks ok. The ISP say there is no
problem,
MSN say there is no problem they know about, and hotmail rekon there is
no
problem but are asking for more info.
Its MSX5.5 sp4 on Win2k sp4. It runs a DNS server with forwarders to the
internet DNS servers, and every other domain accepts mail fine, but
messages to hotmail just sit in the IMC send queue retrying and saying
that the host is unreachable.
I have recreated the internet mail connector and reapplied service pack,
but no change.

Any ideas at all?? Thanks.

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