RE: New Entourage
I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: New Entourage
Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we
RE: New Entourage
I must say I agree. Our organization does not allow POP3 or IMAP4 access currently hence Entourage is useless for MS Exchange access. I am sticking with Outlook for Mac 2001 until they fix this or until my company allows IMAP access. -- From: Erik Sojka Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2003 8:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=la ng=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
[1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41
Re: New Entourage
I am using e2k SP3. -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account
RE: New Entourage
Almost. It cost too much to keep Outlook up to date for the handful of users left on that dying platform. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP One man's Spam is another man's UCE. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Durkee, Peter Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:44 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: New Entourage
It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
It's going to use the same account that it used to authenticate against the mailbox. In my config, it automatically selected a GC to query, and is doing AD lookups out of the box. I take it, it's not for you? Are you getting errors? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:57:45 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Yes sir. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage You are using the Exchange service? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:43:54 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I can't get the darn thing to do active directory lookups? Where do you specify the cn to the account to use to do searches? -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message is private or privileged. If you are not the person for whom this message is intended, please delete it and notify me immediately, and please do not copy or send this message to anyone else
RE: New Entourage
Oh no, it's another flamefest developing. duck and cover -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53
Re: New Entourage
Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto
Re: New Entourage
From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:39:17 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Configuring an Outlook for the Mac to connect across subnets? I need that ongoing pain like I need another hole in my head. It's not hard, just a hosts file or DNS entry then it workshow is this so different from windows? WINS? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Hopefully because they realized it sucked complete ass. Entourage was a better product at 1.0 than Outlook for the mac had ever been. Outlook 2001 would be perfectly adequate if they fixed the HTML rendering, made task requests work and sorted a few other flaws that escape me. Notes, better delegate support, calendaring that doesn't rely on Schedule+, custom forms support, 3rd party integration, support for services other than Exchange. It's not exactly a major re-write, just a service pack. OSX support doesn't fall under the 'just a service pack' category in my mind, but I'm not a Mac developer so perhaps I'm naive. Even without these fixes OL2001 is workable, we have 200 mac users who are getting on with their jobs. Great, then there's no compelling reason for you to switch. Microsoft has been adding tiny bits of functionality into their server like WebDAV, and some subset of radicals is looking for clients which take advantage of those features and take messaging clients beyond the functionality they present today. Personally, I'd take Ximian's Exchange connector over Outlook 2001 if those were the only two choices I had for running on a Mac. Actually I'd take just about anything else, as my Mac doesn't do OS9 compatibility mode. Course discussions here on the topic aren't going to effect Microsoft much... Better you should send your concerns to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd think. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
I think your problem extends beyond 4th grade grammar skills to basic reading comprehension issues. My footnote re: 'not caring' was inference to troubleshooting my free/busy issue, not the clearly documented calendar and contact issues you could have resolved by having someone with a 6th grade education read you the FM. I respond to over 6k posts in various forums on average each year. Only in a minor subset of them to I recommend people RTFM or STFW. I guess your egregious and obvious lack of research or effort earned your post a place in that subset. BTW, Footnoting empty air, while humorous, serves only to further demonstrate the failure of the public schools in the community where you grew up. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:11:29 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP
Re: New Entourage
I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com
RE: New Entourage
My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) MAPI? What about it. Outlook for the Mac is dead, and long overdue as well IMO. Configuring an Outlook for the Mac to connect across subnets? I need that ongoing pain like I need another hole in my head. What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) Significantly less coding for RPC over http than to make Outlook OSX native IMO, at least as an overall portion of the development effort. But if one is going to bother with RPC over http, then you'd likely also use MAPI. Seems to be largely a waste of time on the Mac How many 3rd party add-ins did one see for the Mac version of Outlook... ever? More than none? What does MAPI/RPC buy me, if not a development platform? You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? It's enabled by default, so I'm not sure what the issue is. Require SSL and it's at least as secure as MAPI. Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Hopefully because they realized it sucked complete ass. Entourage was a better product at 1.0 than Outlook for the mac had ever been. Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? I use a Mac... I'm replying on one now as a matter of fact. Everything I do on the Mac requires more 'hoops' than the PC equivalent does when it comes to accessing Windows resources. Entourage's Exchange support now allows a user to input a minimum of information and their profile is automatically configured for them. Could it be better? Sure, but it is already significantly better than Outlook for the Mac ever was in a number of respects. Hopefully, Microsoft will continue to make improvements along those lines. It's not like they have to code from scratch. Changing the code base to support OSX is not an insignificant task and then requires functionality decisions based on a need to maintain feature parity across multiple versions of the OS. It makes no sense. Depends on how you define the problem. I felt that ditching Outlook for the Mac was long overdue and once I'd seen Entourage was hopeful that it would become the exchange platform for the mac in the future. I'm generally glad that turned out to be the case. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. I don't think that's the idea actually. At least not based on the discussions I've seen involving the Mac Office dev team and portions of their user base. The users want similar functionality, but most recoil at the idea they'd have to use the same horrible Windows implementations to get similar functionality. They pity Windows users for some of the ways feature sets have been implemented. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! As a matter of fact... Yes, they did. Although I'm curious to know what important features you feel are missing. Also curious to know how you feel the performance of Access or FrontPage compares to the Windows equivalents. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400
RE: New Entourage
I've heard that too, but I didn't find an E2K only statement anywhere in the readme or the mactopia website, and Entourage does, more or less, work if you plug in the info for a 5.5 server. However, the end result is just a regular IMAP connection. -Peter -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange
RE: New Entourage
Configuring an Outlook for the Mac to connect across subnets? I need that ongoing pain like I need another hole in my head. It's not hard, just a hosts file or DNS entry then it workshow is this so different from windows? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Hopefully because they realized it sucked complete ass. Entourage was a better product at 1.0 than Outlook for the mac had ever been. Outlook 2001 would be perfectly adequate if they fixed the HTML rendering, made task requests work and sorted a few other flaws that escape me. It's not exactly a major re-write, just a service pack. Even without these fixes OL2001 is workable, we have 200 mac users who are getting on with their jobs. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
That would be Nazis without the apostrophe. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Assistant Grammar Nazi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100
New Entourage: glitch
Exchange 2000 SP3 on W2K SP3 Upgraded a number of Mac clients to the new Entourage. Now when doing a send/receive, we get the following annoying dialogue showing up as it gets roughly to the middle of the Public Folders. Never saw it before with plain IMAP with Entourage 10.1.3 on the same Macs. Happens on five out of six clients. Mac no. 6 has no such errors and completes the sync. ** Error Mail could not be received at this time. Explanation The server returned the following error Protocol Error: Expected SPACE not found.. Error 1026 ** Nothing in the exchange logs. Anyone else have this happening? Seems like an error in the IMAP syntax but I haven't had a lot of time to look at it yet. All the best, Andy _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
LOL -Original Message- From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:37 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage yippie ki aye From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:32:28 -0500 It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com
RE: New Entourage
I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This message
Re: New Entourage
The data included with the download clearly indicates what Exchange version is required. Since 5.5 doesn't support DAV, I can't imagine why DAV specific functionality wouldn't work. From: Durkee, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:36:45 -0700 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him
RE: New Entourage
I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm
Re: New Entourage
yippie ki aye From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 15:32:28 -0500 It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent
Re: New Entourage
It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have time to go troubleshoot free/busy issues on my machine is hardly an attempt to blow off about how important I am. I was simply pointing out the only unexpected issue I've seen with the Exchange update for Entourage. The issue you describe seems to be expected behavior based on the help files, but I guess you're too important to read those and need the rest of us to do your work for you. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:08:13 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message
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Yeah, it grabbed a GC, but it wasn't working. It keeps saying no entries were found with the search and I know they exist. I broadened the search scope to the top of the domain (dc=domain,dc=tld) and it works. It I add another lever like (cn=Company Directory,dc=domain,dc=tld) it doesn't work. Is it maybe the spaces in the company directory name? -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:19 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage It's going to use the same account that it used to authenticate against the mailbox. In my config, it automatically selected a GC to query, and is doing AD lookups out of the box. I take it, it's not for you? Are you getting errors? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:57:45 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Yes sir. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage You are using the Exchange service? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:43:54 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I can't get the darn thing to do active directory lookups? Where do you specify the cn to the account to use to do searches? -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode = lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web
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Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him
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Well your a happy guy. Thanks for the great answer there. For a minute I thought this a group to help each other out, not blow off about how important we are. Since I am not at home and not near a Mac with Entourage installed, I cant really read the help file right now. I figured if you didn't see the same issue I would dig further, if you didn't see the same issue, I wouldn't worry about it right now. I would figure the appropriate response would be: 1. I don't have any public folders of calendar or contact type so I cant test it OR 2. Yes/No Since you were so helpful, I wont comment on my status of the free/busy server thing either since I have cooler things to play as well. =) -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25
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Maybe you should just grow up and know when to quit. I'm sure we all feel this has gone on long enough. Or reply to whom ever this is intended for directly instead of crying to the whole list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Carlson Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage ..you could have resolved by having someone with a 6th grade education read you the FM What part of I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far was so difficult to understand? Seemed pretty clear to me, with my 4th grade edgukashun and all. I guess I need to read the RTFM for mailing lists so I can find the part that says: Be sure to spend lot's of time and completely read the manual over and over just to make sure you don't upset anyone named Chris Scharff because he is really important and doesn't care about things other than the really cool things he is working on. No quick simple questions allowed! I respond to over 6k posts in various forums on average each year. Only in a minor subset of them to I recommend people RTFM or STFW. I guess your egregious and obvious lack of research or effort earned your post a place in that subset. Mr. Iamreallyreallyimportantandmuststickoutmychesttocompensateforothershortcomin g s seems to have reared it's ugly head again. I am glad you actually keep track of things like that. I guess everyone needs a hobby. It's really funny to see people get personal in a mailing list. It still baffles me that people have to resort to making personal comments about people they have never met personally. I guess it must make them feel more important and in this case that really seems to fit. BTW, Footnoting empty air, while humorous, serves only to further demonstrate the failure of the public schools in the community where you grew up. I figured I would put numbers in brackets like you since you are really really cool and way more important than me. -Mike http://www.uselessthoughts.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:38 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I think your problem extends beyond 4th grade grammar skills to basic reading comprehension issues. My footnote re: 'not caring' was inference to troubleshooting my free/busy issue, not the clearly documented calendar and contact issues you could have resolved by having someone with a 6th grade education read you the FM. I respond to over 6k posts in various forums on average each year. Only in a minor subset of them to I recommend people RTFM or STFW. I guess your egregious and obvious lack of research or effort earned your post a place in that subset. BTW, Footnoting empty air, while humorous, serves only to further demonstrate the failure of the public schools in the community where you grew up. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:11:29 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage [1] I hate grammar Nazi's. This is email, not English class. G37 0V3R 17!! [2] I did RTFM. I guess I just didn't get to the part about Public Folders not showing up correctly. I figured since I was browsing through the recent posts, I would just ask a simple question and see what others results were before I went home to try and figure it out. I installed it last night, set up the account and looked at the public folders. About 10 minutes of time spent so far. As far as you being too important, I wasn't referring to the free/busy server issue, I was referring to this: [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. If you don't really care, why even reply? [3] If everyone RTFM from front to back before they even installed the app, these lists would be little more than haiku Fridays. I think you need to get off your high horse. If your only worth while response is going to be RTFM, then why bother sending an email? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It's you're not your. And don't blame me for your inability to RTFM. This is indeed a peer support newsgroup; if you don't like my responses feel free to add me to your killfile. I couldn't care less. Indicating I don't have
Re: New Entourage
Do I see Have you read the help files yet? The client is working as I would expect it to work for me at the moment based on my reading of the help files. With the exception of the free/busy server which I haven't had time to look into.[1] [1] Since Macs aren't supported on my network, it has pretty low priority.[2] [2] Plus it's my Mac, which puts it even lower on the priority list.[3] [3] And I don't really care all that much because I'm playing with cooler Exchange tools for both the PC and Mac at the moment than Entourage, which at the moment is working 'good enough' for my needs. From: Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:24:45 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Do you see the same issues of Calendar or Contact type public folders looking like IMAP folders and not actual contacts or calendar entries? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: New Entourage It works just fine in E2K. The Entourage help files contain quite a bit of information, might try reading those for what the expected functionality is. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:18:53 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage Ok, can anyone confirm how it works with E2K? With 5.5 you get what looks like an IMAP connection... -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2003 16:41 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage Its designed for E2K or higher -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:37 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I got the same results you did, using Entourage with an Exchange 5.5 server. Does it maybe work better with 2000? -Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:38 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage I myself don't like the Entourage update for Office X. I don't get anything more than I did with IMAP it seems. Any public folders that are set to be of Calendar type or Contact type don't show up correctly. Is there a list of specific benefits of the update over just using IMAP? -Mike Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uselessthoughts.com - Original Message - From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:11 AM Subject: RE: New Entourage I'm thinking about trying out citrix -Original Message- From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2003 19:44 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject
RE: New Entourage
This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
You are using the Exchange service? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:43:54 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I can't get the darn thing to do active directory lookups? Where do you specify the cn to the account to use to do searches? -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
I am going to stick with OL for Mac 2001. It works well enough for me. Certainly better than Entourage in this MS Exchange environment. -- From: Holstrom, Don Reply To: Exchange Discussions Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2003 1:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage So are OSX Macs therefore doomed to OWA, or is there an alternative? -Original Message- From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I think they did away with Outlook because they were in the semi-absurd situation of maintaining three entirely different mail clients for the Mac, none of which made everyone, happy, and two of which weren't OS X native, so they needed major upgrades, and were free. I don't find it at all incomprehensable that they'd concentrate their resources on the product that generates some revenue. As far as Entourage's new Exchange awareness goes, it's about what you'd expect from a point upgrade. -Peter -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:25 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage I don't doubt it. That makes perfect business sense. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage My personal opinion is that they did away with Outlook for the Mac because OS X, especially Jaguar (10.2.x) is the first OS with a legitimate chance of displacing Microsoft from their dominance of the desktop. It meets the requirements of having Microsoft Office (Word/Excel/etc). Therefore, the only missing app is a full blown Outlook client. Its Microsoft's only way to stop the tide without giving up their entire Mac offering. Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Erik Sojka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage This is more venting than any serious question: What about MAPI? (Outlook for OfficeX-1) What about RPC over HTTP? (I know that would have to be coded from scratch) You must enable IMAP on your Exchange server? Why did they get rid of the Outlook product? Why make an organization with Macs go through so many hoops? It's not like they have to code from scratch. It makes no sense. The whole idea is to make the products across both platforms the same or mostly the same. They didn't take Word or Excel, retool it, take out some important features and call it something else, did they? Keerist!! -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe
RE: New Entourage
I can't get the darn thing to do active directory lookups? Where do you specify the cn to the account to use to do searches? -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
Yes sir. -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage You are using the Exchange service? From: Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:43:54 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I can't get the darn thing to do active directory lookups? Where do you specify the cn to the account to use to do searches? -Original Message- From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage An amazing soy substitute! -Ben- Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote, CNA, MCPx4 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 18:00 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage It's not Outlook, but an incredible simulation! Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Helping others with Exchange for over a twentieth of a century. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Scharff Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:02 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchanget ext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=; lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Entourage
An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? dan. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
If you read the requirements section of the update you would have seen that it requires Exchange 2000 SP2 or later. Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Atkinson, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:24 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? dan. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
Haven't had time to look into the free/busy server settings, but the mail functionality seems to work ok here.[1] Couple of people in my office have been using the beta builds for a few months now.[2] [1] Posting using it now... [2] I think they've all moved on to playing with the Panther AD/Exchange integration in mail.app, iCal and Address Book at this point. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:23:43 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
Oh, and for those not running Panther, this little app is quite handy as well... http://www.snerdware.com/addressx/ From: Chris Scharff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:30:52 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Entourage Haven't had time to look into the free/busy server settings, but the mail functionality seems to work ok here.[1] Couple of people in my office have been using the beta builds for a few months now.[2] [1] Posting using it now... [2] I think they've all moved on to playing with the Panther AD/Exchange integration in mail.app, iCal and Address Book at this point. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:23:43 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
In looking through this it looks like you have to have IMAP enabled for your users then you can't use this. Granted this is from a cursory scan. Anyone see anything different? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Haven't had time to look into the free/busy server settings, but the mail functionality seems to work ok here.[1] Couple of people in my office have been using the beta builds for a few months now.[2] [1] Posting using it now... [2] I think they've all moved on to playing with the Panther AD/Exchange integration in mail.app, iCal and Address Book at this point. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:23:43 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Entourage
I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. -Original Message- From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:26 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Entourage In looking through this it looks like you have to have IMAP enabled for your users then you can't use this. Granted this is from a cursory scan. Anyone see anything different? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Haven't had time to look into the free/busy server settings, but the mail functionality seems to work ok here.[1] Couple of people in my office have been using the beta builds for a few months now.[2] [1] Posting using it now... [2] I think they've all moved on to playing with the Panther AD/Exchange integration in mail.app, iCal and Address Book at this point. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:23:43 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocat ion=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang= english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
IMAP and DAV and LDAP, with tighter integration and logic. IMAP over SSL can also (and should also) be specified. This isn't intended to be outlook for the mac, there was one of those and it's dead. This and likely future versions of Outlook for Windows are going to be evolutions in terms of what mail connectivity looks like from a client/server standpoint.[1] [1] IMO From: Couch, Nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:25:35 -0500 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage In looking through this it looks like you have to have IMAP enabled for your users then you can't use this. Granted this is from a cursory scan. Anyone see anything different? Nate Couch EDS Messaging -Original Message- From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: New Entourage Haven't had time to look into the free/busy server settings, but the mail functionality seems to work ok here.[1] Couple of people in my office have been using the beta builds for a few months now.[2] [1] Posting using it now... [2] I think they've all moved on to playing with the Panther AD/Exchange integration in mail.app, iCal and Address Book at this point. From: Atkinson, Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:23:43 +0100 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Entourage An update is available for office X on the mac which includes the new exchange-aware entourage. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=downloadlocation=/mac/DOWNL OAD/OFFICEX/exchangeupdate.xmlsecid=5ssid=14flgnosysreq=True Our first impressions are that it's a load of rubbish. Seems very slow, doesn't integrate well with our exchange 5.5. Anyone else tried it? _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang =english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=e nglish To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Entourage
Depends on how one defines Exchange aware. If by Exchange aware, you mean 'it's Outlook' then no. If understanding free/busy and and automatic configuration of address book and other account settings to support Exchange qualifies, then maybe. From: Erik Sojka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:29:57 -0400 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Entourage I haven't looked at it yet, but it wouldn't be Exchange-aware if it was, right? When we looked at this for our lone Mac user ~18 months ago we had to settle for the previous version of Outlook and the user had to switch between OSX for Office and OS9 for Outlook since we didn't want to open up IMAP or POP3 for him. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=exchangetext_mode=lang=english To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
