RE: Orphaned exchange 2007 server.

[Sobey, Richard A]

Remember the installer for Exchange is fully contained in each Service Pack so 
you should be able to download just the appropriate SP to get going with 
/RecoverServer.

I really wouldn't go messing in adsiedit unless you don't need the server any 
more and all other options are exhausted..

Richard

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Nicholas Turner
Sent: 10 November 2010 09:18
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Orphaned exchange 2007 server.

I'm trying to currently rebuild a 2007 multi role server which was rebuilt 
without removing exchange properly and we haven't got the correct version of 
exchange to install so it won't let me do a recovery on the server.

I tried editing the serial number in adsiedit but it still wanted the newer 
version.  If I remove the server object entirely in adsiedit will this be 
enough to allow me to do a fresh install?

Nick

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RE: Orphaned exchange 2007 server.

[Steve Szabo]

As has been mentioned, you just need to download the appropriate SP and use
that for the DR install. I ran into the same problem a few weeks ago (along
with a slew of others). If you post the version that it is looking for, the
error message should have it, one of these bright minds here will be able to
tell you which SP it is looking for.

 

\\Steve//

 

From: Nicholas Turner [mailto:ntur...@caci.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:18 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Orphaned exchange 2007 server.

 

I'm trying to currently rebuild a 2007 multi role server which was rebuilt
without removing exchange properly and we haven't got the correct version of
exchange to install so it won't let me do a recovery on the server.

 

I tried editing the serial number in adsiedit but it still wanted the newer
version.  If I remove the server object entirely in adsiedit will this be
enough to allow me to do a fresh install? 

 

Nick


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Orphaned exchange 2007 server.

[Nicholas Turner]

I'm trying to currently rebuild a 2007 multi role server which was rebuilt 
without removing exchange properly and we haven't got the correct version of 
exchange to install so it won't let me do a recovery on the server.

I tried editing the serial number in adsiedit but it still wanted the newer 
version.  If I remove the server object entirely in adsiedit will this be 
enough to allow me to do a fresh install?

Nick

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RE: BESx?

[N Parr]

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained
at all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my
full BES and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.
Whole lot faster than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own
machine or VM.



From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services)
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?



Hi folks,

 

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version
of BES.

Anything to share from your experience?

Regards,

 

 

~D

 

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RE: BESx?

[Alex Robinson]

I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.


From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything to share from your experience?
Regards,


~D


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Re: BESx?

[Jeff Brown]

We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson <
robins...@franklinroadacademy.com> wrote:

>  I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on
> separate box and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can
> feedback be provided on this scenario?
>
>
>
> -Alex
>
>
>
> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: BESx?
>
>
>
> We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at
> all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full
> BES and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot
> faster than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:
> daniel.casti...@hp.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* BESx?
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of
> BES.
>
> Anything to share from your experience?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> ~D
>
>
>
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RE: BESx?

[N Parr]

Yes BESx can be put on your exchange box but there's plenty of arguments
out there as to why you don't want to install 3rd party apps on your
exchange box.



From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:04 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?



I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on
separate box and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can
feedback be provided on this scenario?

 

-Alex

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

 

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained
at all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my
full BES and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.
Whole lot faster than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own
machine or VM.

 



From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services)
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?

Hi folks,

 

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version
of BES.

Anything to share from your experience?

Regards,

 

 

~D

 

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Re: BESx?

[Jeff Brown]

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and
> installed BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management
> console first time, but that's nothing new.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson <
> robins...@franklinroadacademy.com> wrote:
>
>>  I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on
>> separate box and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can
>> feedback be provided on this scenario?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM
>>
>> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: BESx?
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained
>> at all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my
>> full BES and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole
>> lot faster than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or
>> VM.
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:
>> daniel.casti...@hp.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
>> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* BESx?
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of
>> BES.
>>
>> Anything to share from your experience?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D
>>
>>
>>
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RE: BESx?

[Alex Robinson]

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

Thanks,

-Alex

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown 
<2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com>> 
wrote:
I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.


From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) 
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything to share from your experience?
Regards,


~D


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RE: BESx?

[Hrvoje Špiranec]

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

Thanks,

-Alex

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown 
<2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com>> 
wrote:
I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.


From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) 
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything to share from your experience?
Regards,


~D


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RE: BESx?

[Sobey, Richard A]

I’d guess the same as normal BES, in the region of £60-70/CAL.

From: bounce-9165000-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9165000-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Hrvoje 
Špiranec
Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

Thanks,

-Alex

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown 
<2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com>> 
wrote:
I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.


From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) 
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything to share from your experience?
Regards,


~D


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RE: BESx?

[Mayo, Bill]

My understanding (from the person that handles BlackBerries) is that BESx does 
not require CALs and that is the reason it is desirable (as opposed to regular 
old BES).



From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?



I’d guess the same as normal BES, in the region of £60-70/CAL.

From: bounce-9165000-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9165000-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Hrvoje 
Špiranec
Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

Thanks,

-Alex

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
 wrote:

I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.



From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?

Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.

Anything to share from your experience?

Regards,

~D

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RE: BESx?

[Paul Hutchings]

Express is free other than tariff costs to have a Blackberry.  Regarding where 
to install it, my understanding is you can install it on the Exchange box for 
less than 75 users, but it's recommended to use a dedicated box regardless 
(apparently "reboot the BES" is quite a commonly proffered solution to problems 
but that's anecdotal).

 

From: Hrvoje Špiranec [mailto:hrv...@albuslinea.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

 

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

 

From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

 

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

 

Thanks,

 

-Alex

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

 

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
 wrote:

I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

 

-Alex

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: RE: BESx?

 

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.

 



From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?

Hi folks,

 

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.

Anything to share from your experience?

Regards,

 

 

~D

 

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RE: BESx?

[Sobey, Richard A]

Lovely, thanks for that.

From: bounce-9165018-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9165018-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Mayo, 
Bill
Sent: 10 November 2010 15:09
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

My understanding (from the person that handles BlackBerries) is that BESx does 
not require CALs and that is the reason it is desirable (as opposed to regular 
old BES).


From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?
I’d guess the same as normal BES, in the region of £60-70/CAL.
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[mailto:bounce-9165000-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Hrvoje 
Špiranec
Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?
Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?
From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?
We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.
Thanks,
-Alex
From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?
My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown 
<2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com>> 
wrote:
I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?
-Alex
From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?
We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.

From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) 
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,
Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything to share from your experience?
Regards,
~D

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Re: BESx?

[Jonathan Link]

I'll concur.  I reboot my BES about 3 times as often as the Exchange
server.

2010/11/10 Paul Hutchings 

>  Express is free other than tariff costs to have a Blackberry.  Regarding
> where to install it, my understanding is you *can* install it on the
> Exchange box for less than 75 users, but it's recommended to use a dedicated
> box regardless (apparently "reboot the BES" is quite a commonly proffered
> solution to problems but that's anecdotal).
>
>
>
> *From:* Hrvoje Špiranec [mailto:hrv...@albuslinea.com]
>  *Sent:* 10 November 2010 14:58
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: BESx?
>
>
>
> Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?
>
>
>
> *From:* Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: BESx?
>
>
>
> We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> -Alex
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: BESx?
>
>
>
> My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and
> installed BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management
> console first time, but that's nothing new.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson <
> robins...@franklinroadacademy.com> wrote:
>
> I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate
> box and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be
> provided on this scenario?
>
>
>
> -Alex
>
>
>
> *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM
>
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: BESx?
>
>
>
> We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at
> all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full
> BES and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot
> faster than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:
> daniel.casti...@hp.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* BESx?
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of
> BES.
>
> Anything to share from your experience?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> ~D
>
>
>
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MS Support on VMware?

[Phil Hershey]

Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange 2010 on VMware
vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM blade/NetApp
iSCSI SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.  Unfortunately the 'let's
virtualize it' flu is running rampant here, although my vote is to take
the Exchange system physical (~450 users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG
files).

 

Thanks.

 

Philip

 


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Content Filtering Exchange 2007 as Part of SBS 2008

[David Elebute]

How do we turn off the SPAM/Content Filtering on the above referenced server?
All help is reatly appreciated.

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RE: BESx?

[Paul Hutchings]

Just to throw one out there, we're looking at Blackberry right now though it's 
currently not past the "let's see if we can get some on loan" stage.

 

Can anyone throw anything at me from the BES Express perspective that is either 
spectacularly good or spectacularly bad?

 

We're just looking to do the "usual things" and have some management of our 
mobiles - I don't think right now that we want to get especially control freaky.

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:01
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

 

I'll concur.  I reboot my BES about 3 times as often as the Exchange server.  

2010/11/10 Paul Hutchings 

Express is free other than tariff costs to have a Blackberry.  Regarding where 
to install it, my understanding is you can install it on the Exchange box for 
less than 75 users, but it's recommended to use a dedicated box regardless 
(apparently "reboot the BES" is quite a commonly proffered solution to problems 
but that's anecdotal).

 

From: Hrvoje Špiranec [mailto:hrv...@albuslinea.com] 

Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

 

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

 

From: Alex Robinson [mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

 

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

 

Thanks,

 

-Alex

 

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

 

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown <2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
 wrote:

I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

 

-Alex

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: RE: BESx?

 

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.

 



From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) [mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?

Hi folks,

 

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.

Anything to share from your experience?

Regards,

 

 

~D

 

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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Randal, Phil]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+on+vmware

 

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From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:37
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: MS Support on VMware?

 

Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange 2010 on VMware
vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM blade/NetApp
iSCSI SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.  Unfortunately the 'let's
virtualize it' flu is running rampant here, although my vote is to take
the Exchange system physical (~450 users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG
files).

 

Thanks.

 

Philip

 

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Re: MS Support on VMware?

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http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey  wrote:

>  Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange 2010 on VMware
> vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM blade/NetApp iSCSI
> SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.  Unfortunately the ‘let’s
> virtualize it’ flu is running rampant here, although my vote is to take the
> Exchange system physical (~450 users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Philip
>
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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Sobey, Richard A]

http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2010/11/09/456851.aspx

From: bounce-9165169-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
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Sent: 10 November 2010 16:37
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: MS Support on VMware?

Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange 2010 on VMware vSphere? 
 Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM blade/NetApp iSCSI SAN on ESX 
3.0.2, and performance sucks.  Unfortunately the 'let's virtualize it' flu is 
running rampant here, although my vote is to take the Exchange system physical 
(~450 users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).

Thanks.

Philip


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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Dave Wade]

Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth..
 
There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in Virtual.
 
1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare availability tools
(e.g. HA) is not supported. I guess the issue is that the database may
fail over while the machine is being migrated. See the blog some one
else has just posted. This makes designing a supported solution
"interesting" because it would be nice to have your "Live/production"
database server in a VMWare cluster for hardware resilience and have a
second standby server on another site for disaster recovery. This is
unsupported. 
 
To be supported you must put TWO virtual servers in the local VMWare
farm and exclude them from HA and have a third at your disaster recovery
site.
 
2) The Unified Messaging role is not supported in virtual.
 
Dave Wade
Business Services I.C.T.
0161 474 5456
 




From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:45
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?


http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615


 
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey
 wrote:


Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange
2010 on VMware vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM
blade/NetApp iSCSI SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.
Unfortunately the 'let's virtualize it' flu is running rampant here,
although my vote is to take the Exchange system physical (~450 users and
500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).

 

Thanks.

 

Philip

 

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Re: MS Support on VMware?

[Jonathan Link]

I don't disagree.
However, I was providing a generic answer to a generic and obviously
completely unresearched question.  A bit of clicking through the links would
likely provide more complete information.  A google search would probably
be, good, too.  I spent more time on this answer than I did on my answer to
the OP.


On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

>  Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..
>
> There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in Virtual.
>
> 1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare availability tools (e.g.
> HA) is not supported. I guess the issue is that the database may fail over
> while the machine is being migrated. See the blog some one else has just
> posted. This makes designing a supported solution "interesting" because it
> would be nice to have your "Live/production" database server in a VMWare
> cluster for hardware resilience and have a second standby server on another
> site for disaster recovery. This is unsupported.
>
> To be supported you must put TWO virtual servers in the local VMWare farm
> and exclude them from HA and have a third at your disaster recovery site.
>
> 2) The Unified Messaging role is not supported in virtual.
>
> *Dave Wade*
> *Business Services I.C.T.*
> *0161 474 5456*
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 10 November 2010 16:45
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS Support on VMware?
>
>  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey  wrote:
>
>>  Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange 2010 on VMware
>> vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM blade/NetApp iSCSI
>> SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.  Unfortunately the ‘let’s
>> virtualize it’ flu is running rampant here, although my vote is to take the
>> Exchange system physical (~450 users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Dave Wade]

Possibly but I thought it a valid question and worth pondering
on
 
I suspect that the existing performance sucks because iSCSI SAN can't
deliver the IOPS Exchange 2003 needs. Our main Exchange servers are
Exchange 2003 still on real boxes and performance is generally "Ok(ish)"
but we have dedicated raid arrays in a Fibre connected the SAN for both
the logs and databases. When the Raid Groups were shared with other high
performance servers we did get performance issues. I suspect if Phillip
downloads the Exchange Troubleshooting Assistant (TSA)
 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=4bdc1d6b-de3
4-4f1c-aeba-fed1256caf9a&displaylang=en
 
and runs it it will help him understand why the existing server
performance sucks. Until he understand what's wrong with the existing
system he won't know if moving forward will cure it or kill it. So if
the TSA reports no issues on the Exchange boxes then it could be network
issues are causing the slow down.
 
We also run an Exchange 2007 system for our school staff in Virtual
(VmWare 4.0u1) but with an Hitachi Fibre SAN with dedicated Raid-10
drives for the mail box stores. In general performance is OK but it did
graunch a tad when we were migrating data. 
 
I am about to start migrating the 2003 boxes to 2010 and don't really
expect too many issues with performance, but I did stick an extra 16Gb
of RAm in the VMWare hosts I am going to use. 
 
One "problem" with Exchange 2007 and 2010 and VMware is that they
reduced the disk performance needs by using "large" amounts of RAM as
disk cache. So when you stick them in VMWare you need to make sure you
have enough free RAM for Exchange to use So I think some of my
managers are going to miffed when I say they can't get 10 x Exchange
Mailbox Servers with 7000 users on each in a the size of VMWare box they
are currently buying. (But I will now let them use most of the disk
space).
 
Dave Wade
Business Services I.C.T.
0161 474 5456
 




From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 17:06
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?


I don't disagree.
However, I was providing a generic answer to a generic and
obviously completely unresearched question.  A bit of clicking through
the links would likely provide more complete information.  A google
search would probably be, good, too.  I spent more time on this answer
than I did on my answer to the OP.

 
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Dave Wade
 wrote:


Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing
but the truth..
 
There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in
Virtual.
 
1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare
availability tools (e.g. HA) is not supported. I guess the issue is that
the database may fail over while the machine is being migrated. See the
blog some one else has just posted. This makes designing a supported
solution "interesting" because it would be nice to have your
"Live/production" database server in a VMWare cluster for hardware
resilience and have a second standby server on another site for disaster
recovery. This is unsupported. 
 
To be supported you must put TWO virtual servers in the
local VMWare farm and exclude them from HA and have a third at your
disaster recovery site.
 
2) The Unified Messaging role is not supported in
virtual.
 
Dave Wade
Business Services I.C.T.
0161 474 5456
 




From: Jonathan Link
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:45 

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?


http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615


 
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey
 wrote:


Under what conditions, if any, will MS
support Exchange 2010 on VMware vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is
running on an IBM blade/NetApp iSCSI SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance
sucks.  Unfortunately the 'let's virtualize it' flu is running rampant
here, although my vote is to take the Exchange system physical (~450
users and 500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).

 

Thanks.

 

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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Phil Hershey]

Thanks to all that replied with info.  Very, very helpful, since MS
disagrees with the 'official' VMware position that was presented to us.
And the original question was researched for a while, but as usual
checking here for informed, practical opinions was more efficient as I
hadn't found the Exchange Team blog. 

 

Philip

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?

 

I don't disagree.

However, I was providing a generic answer to a generic and obviously
completely unresearched question.  A bit of clicking through the links
would likely provide more complete information.  A google search would
probably be, good, too.  I spent more time on this answer than I did on
my answer to the OP.


 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Dave Wade 
wrote:

Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth..

 

There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in Virtual.

 

1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare availability tools
(e.g. HA) is not supported. I guess the issue is that the database may
fail over while the machine is being migrated. See the blog some one
else has just posted. This makes designing a supported solution
"interesting" because it would be nice to have your "Live/production"
database server in a VMWare cluster for hardware resilience and have a
second standby server on another site for disaster recovery. This is
unsupported. 

 

To be supported you must put TWO virtual servers in the local VMWare
farm and exclude them from HA and have a third at your disaster recovery
site.

 

2) The Unified Messaging role is not supported in virtual.

 

Dave Wade

Business Services I.C.T.

0161 474 5456

 

 



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:45 


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615



 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey
 wrote:

Under what conditions, if any, will MS support Exchange
2010 on VMware vSphere?  Our current Exchange 2003 is running on an IBM
blade/NetApp iSCSI SAN on ESX 3.0.2, and performance sucks.
Unfortunately the 'let's virtualize it' flu is running rampant here,
although my vote is to take the Exchange system physical (~450 users and
500GB in EDB, STM, LOG files).

 

Thanks.

 

Philip

 

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RE: MS Support on VMware?

[Phil Hershey]

Thanks, Dave.  I expect a large part of the reason our performance is so
poor is that we haven't had the ability to dedicate spindle sets on our
NetApp to Exchange or the SQL servers either.  These each get a blade of
their own natively running the OS/app (not virtualized), but they're all
sharing just a couple of 'aggregates' between a number of machines that
are shared with 4 blades running ESX 3.0.2 and hosting a number of
'small' servers.  Of course the NetApp vender said this would be just
fine.  Horse-hockey. I'll definitely be running the TSA as soon as I can
schedule a weekend window with no backup running.

 

Thanks again.

 

Philip

 

 

From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:33 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS Support on VMware?

 

Possibly but I thought it a valid question and worth pondering
on

 

I suspect that the existing performance sucks because iSCSI SAN can't
deliver the IOPS Exchange 2003 needs. Our main Exchange servers are
Exchange 2003 still on real boxes and performance is generally "Ok(ish)"
but we have dedicated raid arrays in a Fibre connected the SAN for both
the logs and databases. When the Raid Groups were shared with other high
performance servers we did get performance issues. I suspect if Phillip
downloads the Exchange Troubleshooting Assistant (TSA)

 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=4bdc1d6b-de3
4-4f1c-aeba-fed1256caf9a&displaylang=en

 

and runs it it will help him understand why the existing server
performance sucks. Until he understand what's wrong with the existing
system he won't know if moving forward will cure it or kill it. So if
the TSA reports no issues on the Exchange boxes then it could be network
issues are causing the slow down.

 

We also run an Exchange 2007 system for our school staff in Virtual
(VmWare 4.0u1) but with an Hitachi Fibre SAN with dedicated Raid-10
drives for the mail box stores. In general performance is OK but it did
graunch a tad when we were migrating data. 

 

I am about to start migrating the 2003 boxes to 2010 and don't really
expect too many issues with performance, but I did stick an extra 16Gb
of RAm in the VMWare hosts I am going to use. 

 

One "problem" with Exchange 2007 and 2010 and VMware is that they
reduced the disk performance needs by using "large" amounts of RAM as
disk cache. So when you stick them in VMWare you need to make sure you
have enough free RAM for Exchange to use So I think some of my
managers are going to miffed when I say they can't get 10 x Exchange
Mailbox Servers with 7000 users on each in a the size of VMWare box they
are currently buying. (But I will now let them use most of the disk
space).

 

Dave Wade

Business Services I.C.T.

0161 474 5456

 

 



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 17:06
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?

I don't disagree.

However, I was providing a generic answer to a generic and
obviously completely unresearched question.  A bit of clicking through
the links would likely provide more complete information.  A google
search would probably be, good, too.  I spent more time on this answer
than I did on my answer to the OP.


 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Dave Wade
 wrote:

Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth..

 

There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in Virtual.

 

1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare availability
tools (e.g. HA) is not supported. I guess the issue is that the database
may fail over while the machine is being migrated. See the blog some one
else has just posted. This makes designing a supported solution
"interesting" because it would be nice to have your "Live/production"
database server in a VMWare cluster for hardware resilience and have a
second standby server on another site for disaster recovery. This is
unsupported. 

 

To be supported you must put TWO virtual servers in the local
VMWare farm and exclude them from HA and have a third at your disaster
recovery site.

 

2) The Unified Messaging role is not supported in virtual.

 

Dave Wade

Business Services I.C.T.

0161 474 5456

 

 



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:45 


To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues

Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=897615



 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Phil Hershey
 wrote:

Under what c

RE: MS Support on VMware?

[N Parr]

Not knowing your configuration in detail leads to more questions than
answers.  But, a properly configured ESX/iSCSI setup will absolutely
scream.  I have yet to virtualize our Exchange environment but our SQL
server performance increased at least 50% on average when we went from
direct attached Ultra 320 SAS drives in a raid 10 config to our EQ SAN
with SATA's.  The physical box and ESX Host were identical servers.  And
that was mostly because of increased spindles and a whole lot more cache
on the controllers.  I know it's like comparing apples to oranges with
your environment but generally speaking there's best practices for ESX
and iSCSI no matter who your vendor is.  EQ has some excellent white
papers for properly configured VM Exchange servers using iSCSI with MPIO
inside the guest.  And the examples they test are running 5000 users per
guest with varying mail store sizes.  I'm sure IBM does to.  And
starting with ESX 4 you can do MPIO with your iSCSI storage at the Host
level which is suppose to increase performance also.  



From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:13 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS Support on VMware?



Thanks, Dave.  I expect a large part of the reason our performance is so
poor is that we haven't had the ability to dedicate spindle sets on our
NetApp to Exchange or the SQL servers either.  These each get a blade of
their own natively running the OS/app (not virtualized), but they're all
sharing just a couple of 'aggregates' between a number of machines that
are shared with 4 blades running ESX 3.0.2 and hosting a number of
'small' servers.  Of course the NetApp vender said this would be just
fine.  Horse-hockey. I'll definitely be running the TSA as soon as I can
schedule a weekend window with no backup running.

 

Thanks again.

 

Philip

 

 

From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:33 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS Support on VMware?

 

Possibly but I thought it a valid question and worth pondering
on

 

I suspect that the existing performance sucks because iSCSI SAN can't
deliver the IOPS Exchange 2003 needs. Our main Exchange servers are
Exchange 2003 still on real boxes and performance is generally "Ok(ish)"
but we have dedicated raid arrays in a Fibre connected the SAN for both
the logs and databases. When the Raid Groups were shared with other high
performance servers we did get performance issues. I suspect if Phillip
downloads the Exchange Troubleshooting Assistant (TSA)

 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=4bdc1d6b-de3
4-4f1c-aeba-fed1256caf9a&displaylang=en

 

and runs it it will help him understand why the existing server
performance sucks. Until he understand what's wrong with the existing
system he won't know if moving forward will cure it or kill it. So if
the TSA reports no issues on the Exchange boxes then it could be network
issues are causing the slow down.

 

We also run an Exchange 2007 system for our school staff in Virtual
(VmWare 4.0u1) but with an Hitachi Fibre SAN with dedicated Raid-10
drives for the mail box stores. In general performance is OK but it did
graunch a tad when we were migrating data. 

 

I am about to start migrating the 2003 boxes to 2010 and don't really
expect too many issues with performance, but I did stick an extra 16Gb
of RAm in the VMWare hosts I am going to use. 

 

One "problem" with Exchange 2007 and 2010 and VMware is that they
reduced the disk performance needs by using "large" amounts of RAM as
disk cache. So when you stick them in VMWare you need to make sure you
have enough free RAM for Exchange to use So I think some of my
managers are going to miffed when I say they can't get 10 x Exchange
Mailbox Servers with 7000 users on each in a the size of VMWare box they
are currently buying. (But I will now let them use most of the disk
space).

 

Dave Wade

Business Services I.C.T.

0161 474 5456

 

 



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 November 2010 17:06
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS Support on VMware?

I don't disagree.

However, I was providing a generic answer to a generic and
obviously completely unresearched question.  A bit of clicking through
the links would likely provide more complete information.  A google
search would probably be, good, too.  I spent more time on this answer
than I did on my answer to the OP.


 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Dave Wade
 wrote:

Not sure thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth..

 

There are some specific exceptions for Exchange in Virtual.

 

1) Mixing Database Availability Groups and VMWare availability
tools (e.g. HA) is not supported. I guess the

Barracuda Blocking Automated replies

[Sean Martin]

Hello all,

I just implemented a couple of Barracuda's yesterday morning. They seem to
work pretty well. I am running into an issue however. It appears that system
generated messages (such as NDRs) or automated replies (such as OOOs) are
being blocked. The NDRs copied to me indicate *#5.1.1 SMTP; 550
Blocked *reported
from my upstream gateway. Am I missing something obvious in the Barracuda
config that would result in this behavior? Barracuda support was supposed to
remote into the box today and poke around but I haven't heard back from the
SE assigned. I've already tried the following options:

Allow Empty Inbound Sender Domain
Allow Empty Outbound Sender Domain
Disable Sender Spoof Protection
Disable Check SPF for Bounce Recipients

- Sean

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RE: BESx?

[greg.sweers]

The case for Blackberries over Iphone/Droid/WM currently is pretty straight 
forward.


1.Security on the phone is hardened.  Its tried/trued.

2.   Management.  There is nothing you cannot control about a Blackberry 
from the tools.  Droid, Iphone, WM, you have some semblance but not even close 
to a Blackberry

3.   Activation.  Its easy.  Ensure your provider has it provisioned.  They 
receive it, create the account on the BES box, give them a password or send it 
to their email through the tools and walk them through it.  Done.  Very hands 
off.  Send one to the other side of the world and a monkey can activate it.

4.   If you need to access files/folders or web sites on the same network 
as the BES server without complicating VPN's etc.  They can do it all from the 
phone.  Web access is built right in, files/folders takes some config work on 
the BES box.

5.   Wipe and ensure your data is gone.  Cant guarantee that with any of 
the other phones.  If it gets the kill, it's a brick..

6.   Downsides.  Management..Server resources..Another app to babysit, when 
it breaks..It breaks big..in my experience.

7.   Free software, no cals required, free installation support, optional 
tech support contract, does 90% of what you want to do.  Big Daddy BES does 
things with MDS, apps, tracking of SMS messages, "compliance things mostly" 
etc..Things most of our SMB's don't deal with.

Saying all that we have 8 clients on BESx moved from SMB edition or 
Professional.  Very little issues overall.


Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:08 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

Just to throw one out there, we're looking at Blackberry right now though it's 
currently not past the "let's see if we can get some on loan" stage.

Can anyone throw anything at me from the BES Express perspective that is either 
spectacularly good or spectacularly bad?

We're just looking to do the "usual things" and have some management of our 
mobiles - I don't think right now that we want to get especially control freaky.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: 10 November 2010 16:01
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

I'll concur.  I reboot my BES about 3 times as often as the Exchange server.
2010/11/10 Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>>
Express is free other than tariff costs to have a Blackberry.  Regarding where 
to install it, my understanding is you can install it on the Exchange box for 
less than 75 users, but it's recommended to use a dedicated box regardless 
(apparently "reboot the BES" is quite a commonly proffered solution to problems 
but that's anecdotal).

From: Hrvoje Špiranec 
[mailto:hrv...@albuslinea.com]
Sent: 10 November 2010 14:58
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

Does anyone know what is the price on additional CAL's for BESx?

From: Alex Robinson 
[mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a small BPS install of 11 users and am migrating to BESX.

Thanks,

-Alex

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:2jbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BESx?

My understanding ON the box install recommended for less than 75 users.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Jeff Brown 
<2jbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
We dissected our domain, created 2 new E2K7 domains on HV VM's and installed 
BESx ON both. No worries.  some difficulty logging into management console 
first time, but that's nothing new.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Alex Robinson 
mailto:robins...@franklinroadacademy.com>> 
wrote:
I have heard conflicting feedback the BESX does not have to be on separate box 
and can be installed on same Exchange installation.  Can feedback be provided 
on this scenario?

-Alex

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:02 AM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BESx?

We have a sister company that implemented it and they haven't complained at 
all.  Pretty quick to install and set up.  Users were removed from my full BES 
and activated on their BESx and can't tell the difference.  Whole lot faster 
than using BIS or Http.  And yes put it on it's own machine or VM.


From: Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) 
[mailto:daniel.casti...@hp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: BESx?
Hi folks,

Has anyone out there deployed Blackberry Express? Yes, the free version of BES.
Anything t