Re: ex2k3 for dummies
The test message was going to the external IP and did arrive. When I add City A as a Connected Routing Group (and the associated smart host) I can send email City B - City A, but City B's email to the net stops working. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Barsodi.John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are you routing between sites? Over the internet or over the MPLS? If over the MLPS, how is that configured? Anything filtering in between the servers? When you performed that telnet session, what IP were you connecting to? The internal or external IP? Did that test message you performed earlier end up in the mailbox? A 4.4.7 generally means there is a problem with the recipient's address. *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:55 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ex2k3 for dummies Two servers, same AD domain, different TLD's to the net. The 4.4.7 happens ONLY on messages going from server to server. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Barsodi.John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's me, but the entire setup seems a bit confusing. Are these servers part of the same Exchange org? Why are you using two different TLD's? .net and .com for redundancy opposed to using MX records and cost. Where are you getting the 4.4.7 when you send inbound from the internet? Or between servers? If between servers are you delivering the mail via the internet or the internal MPLS connection? *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:19 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ex2k3 for dummies Here is where it get's confusing. The following occurs from a command prompt on the City B Exch 2k3 server... TELNET mail.mycompany.com 220 cordoba.mycompany.local Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.3959 ready at Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:05:49 -0600 helo 250 cordoba.mycompany.local Hello [12.23.178.130] mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK rcpt to:kavalec 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] data 354 Start mail input; end with CRLF.CRLF the quick red fox . 250 2.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queued mail for delivery And - of course - I get the email in City A The above works manually, so what - in City B's Ex2k3 server (on the above machine) - is causing the 4.4.7 ? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:20 AM, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do halff-suspect it's a DNS issue (all one domain and all) but I'm not sure of how to go from here. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at the link I included.. the 4.4.7 is coming from the receiving server at the destination domain, because it's having problems looking up the MX record.. (I think). Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 3:34:34 PM Subject: Re: ex2k3 for dummies Each server has it's own SMTP connector. Part of the idea is redundancy, if City A is under a hurricane, B keeps on ticking. MyCompany.com DNS points to A, MyCompany.net DNS points to B On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have one SMTP connector setup, and it sits on the server in CityB? Does it have both servers listed as bridgeheads? Try having just CityB listed. This means that when ServerA sends a mail it will travel to ServerB, and ServerB will send it on. Info on 4.4.7 - http://www.123together.com/Support/error_447_non_delivery_message.htm Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 2:44:27 PM Subject: ex2k3 for dummies I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? -- Gregory Waleed Kavalec - Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- Gregory Waleed Kavalec - Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight
ex2k3 for dummies
I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: ex2k3 for dummies
Each server has it's own SMTP connector. Part of the idea is redundancy, if City A is under a hurricane, B keeps on ticking. MyCompany.com DNS points to A, MyCompany.net DNS points to B On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have one SMTP connector setup, and it sits on the server in CityB? Does it have both servers listed as bridgeheads? Try having just CityB listed. This means that when ServerA sends a mail it will travel to ServerB, and ServerB will send it on. Info on 4.4.7 - http://www.123together.com/Support/error_447_non_delivery_message.htm Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 2:44:27 PM Subject: ex2k3 for dummies I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: ex2k3 for dummies
I do halff-suspect it's a DNS issue (all one domain and all) but I'm not sure of how to go from here. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at the link I included.. the 4.4.7 is coming from the receiving server at the destination domain, because it's having problems looking up the MX record.. (I think). Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 3:34:34 PM Subject: Re: ex2k3 for dummies Each server has it's own SMTP connector. Part of the idea is redundancy, if City A is under a hurricane, B keeps on ticking. MyCompany.com DNS points to A, MyCompany.net DNS points to B On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have one SMTP connector setup, and it sits on the server in CityB? Does it have both servers listed as bridgeheads? Try having just CityB listed. This means that when ServerA sends a mail it will travel to ServerB, and ServerB will send it on. Info on 4.4.7 - http://www.123together.com/Support/error_447_non_delivery_message.htm Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 2:44:27 PM Subject: ex2k3 for dummies I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: ex2k3 for dummies
Here is where it get's confusing. The following occurs from a command prompt on the City B Exch 2k3 server... TELNET mail.mycompany.com 220 cordoba.mycompany.local Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.3959 ready at Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:05:49 -0600 helo 250 cordoba.mycompany.local Hello [12.23.178.130] mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK rcpt to:kavalec 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] data 354 Start mail input; end with CRLF.CRLF the quick red fox . 250 2.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queued mail for delivery And - of course - I get the email in City A The above works manually, so what - in City B's Ex2k3 server (on the above machine) - is causing the 4.4.7 ? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:20 AM, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do halff-suspect it's a DNS issue (all one domain and all) but I'm not sure of how to go from here. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at the link I included.. the 4.4.7 is coming from the receiving server at the destination domain, because it's having problems looking up the MX record.. (I think). Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 3:34:34 PM Subject: Re: ex2k3 for dummies Each server has it's own SMTP connector. Part of the idea is redundancy, if City A is under a hurricane, B keeps on ticking. MyCompany.com DNS points to A, MyCompany.net DNS points to B On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have one SMTP connector setup, and it sits on the server in CityB? Does it have both servers listed as bridgeheads? Try having just CityB listed. This means that when ServerA sends a mail it will travel to ServerB, and ServerB will send it on. Info on 4.4.7 - http://www.123together.com/Support/error_447_non_delivery_message.htm Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 2:44:27 PM Subject: ex2k3 for dummies I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? -- Gregory Waleed Kavalec - Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight D. Eisenhower ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: ex2k3 for dummies
Two servers, same AD domain, different TLD's to the net. The 4.4.7 happens ONLY on messages going from server to server. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Barsodi.John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's me, but the entire setup seems a bit confusing. Are these servers part of the same Exchange org? Why are you using two different TLD's? .net and .com for redundancy opposed to using MX records and cost. Where are you getting the 4.4.7 when you send inbound from the internet? Or between servers? If between servers are you delivering the mail via the internet or the internal MPLS connection? *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:19 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ex2k3 for dummies Here is where it get's confusing. The following occurs from a command prompt on the City B Exch 2k3 server... TELNET mail.mycompany.com 220 cordoba.mycompany.local Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.3959 ready at Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:05:49 -0600 helo 250 cordoba.mycompany.local Hello [12.23.178.130] mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK rcpt to:kavalec 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] data 354 Start mail input; end with CRLF.CRLF the quick red fox . 250 2.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queued mail for delivery And - of course - I get the email in City A The above works manually, so what - in City B's Ex2k3 server (on the above machine) - is causing the 4.4.7 ? On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:20 AM, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do halff-suspect it's a DNS issue (all one domain and all) but I'm not sure of how to go from here. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at the link I included.. the 4.4.7 is coming from the receiving server at the destination domain, because it's having problems looking up the MX record.. (I think). Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 3:34:34 PM Subject: Re: ex2k3 for dummies Each server has it's own SMTP connector. Part of the idea is redundancy, if City A is under a hurricane, B keeps on ticking. MyCompany.com DNS points to A, MyCompany.net DNS points to B On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM, ROBERT WILCOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have one SMTP connector setup, and it sits on the server in CityB? Does it have both servers listed as bridgeheads? Try having just CityB listed. This means that when ServerA sends a mail it will travel to ServerB, and ServerB will send it on. Info on 4.4.7 - http://www.123together.com/Support/error_447_non_delivery_message.htm Thanks Rob - Original Message From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, 11 June, 2008 2:44:27 PM Subject: ex2k3 for dummies I have a Ex2k3 server in city A and city B, connected by MPLS (VPN). They see each other just fine, I can move mailboxes, etc. City B can send to the internet just fine, but an email to a City A mailbox gets a 4.4.7. Where do I start? -- Gregory Waleed Kavalec - Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- Gregory Waleed Kavalec - Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. Dwight D. Eisenhower ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: step 1
Nothing complicated: I *don't* expect to failover. 1. If site1 is down due to hurricane/disaster site2 has separate mailboxes, site1 outlooks won't be in the picture. 2. If ONLY site1's e2k3 is down, a few operators will need to log on with alternate ID's to connect to site2 Please note that - in terms of staff - we are a very small shop so that part is very manageable. But the data load is very large. MOST of the time the two sites are expected to act as one domain (which they are) and the two e2k3 servers are only intended to replicate some public folders and operate almost independently. On Feb 19, 2008 7:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand is how you plan to fail over Outlook to Site2's Exchange. Outlook is setup to connect to a specific server and AD links that user to that Mailbox. There is not a way for Exchange/AD to failover a user to another mailbox store automatically when its primary server is offline. To do this manually you would have to disconnect the user from their mailbox on Site1 and reconnect a mailbox on site2 in order for this to work, and I have never seen anyone do such a thing except when recovering from a DB failure, not as part of a multi-site DR model Your response, We need site2 to be usable as a back-up / disaster recovery site, even though it is already up and running production (not my design); the idea was to have a second set of mailboxes there with alternate email addresses and a second smtp outgoing channel. E2k7 can do standby continous replication to handle this specific requirement. Here is something from the ExchangeTeam http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2007/06/28/445538.aspx Greg M.S, Andy throw in here if I am missing something but I just done see how this scenario could work without a lot of manual disconnecting/reconnecting etc.. *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 3:54 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: step 1 I am not looking for automatic failover. I know that will take 3rd party software to do with e2k3.* * All I want is to be able to notify a few key clients: hey, hurricane! Per plan A please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and yes we have both our domains registered) While a hurricane is NOT in town I need site2 to be able to send via site2's e2k3, and site1 via site1's. MOST of the time both sites are up just fine, running production, no problem. But up thru a month ago site2 needed site1 to do email (including automatic emails), and as of my little oops BOTH sites' need to be up. Replicating the GC *may* have fixed that. I will know soon. * It seems e2k7 can do failover though. Is this correct? On Feb 18, 2008 2:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you have envisioned is not a designed way for Exchange 03 to function. A second set of mailboxes and emails is another database. Outlook doesn't fail over to another database in the event of server1 failure. To do what you are thinking about takes a secondary software like Doubletake to create a replication/fail over scenario. b. Is the new Exchange server in site 2, a DC/GC or is it just a member server? B1. Did you create 2 sites in AD or is it just one Domain and AD doesn't see one site different from the other(Just one big cloud) Greg *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 2:47 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: step 1 a) We need site2 to be usable as a back-up / disaster recovery site, even though it is already up and running production (not my design); the idea was to have a second set of mailboxes there with alternate email addresses and a second smtp outgoing channel. b) at site2 I simply installed E2k3 and checked this is an additional server. c) GC was likely most of my problem, so you were far less clueless that I Thanks On Feb 18, 2008 12:09 PM, Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are clueless here because you've said nothing about: a) why and for whom you thought a second E2K3 would create reliability b) the steps you took in bringing up the E2K3 at site 2 b) what the topology of DCs and GC's happens to be, before and after Generally speaking, when you document the history and configuration to the extent that those who know nothing about it will understand it, you will end up understanding it better yourself, and in so doing you might even figure out the problem. Carl -- *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 12:46 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* step 1 OK, I admit I am powerless over Exchange and my life has become unmanageable. My dumbest move of 2008 (and it's only February)... We have Ex 2K3 running at Site1 and are connected to Site2 via a 3mb MPLS connection. One
Re: step 1
As to the specific errors about exchange offline... I now believe these were entirely due to a GC problem, I won't be able to verify this until tonight. Thanks, though, you are confirming what I hoped we were doing here. On Feb 19, 2008 8:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh info makes more sense. There are a number of other variables, but as long as users at site1 can talk to site2(assuming GC, DNS, etc) then they can login and connect to that mailbox. Exchange on that side will handle flowing mail out its local SMTP connector. If you are using RPC/HTTP then that has to be reconfigured to connect to the new server. As to DR/Backup site, this will not allow you access to your old mail or other mailbox if the server is down. You can do a backup of the store on site1 and then copy the backed up file down to site2. DFS Replication in R2 or robocopy etc during off hours would do this nicely(Assuming the bandwidth is there) Even then you will have to perform a recovery of the IS to a recovery storage group and exmerge the files out to pst manually. As to the specific errors about exchange offline, did you move any replicas of system or public folders to siteb? If you just added it as a member and didn't move any mailboxes over or setup replicas then there should be nothing on the server at site2 that would cause users at site1, homed to that server in site1 for that error to occur. *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:48 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: step 1 Nothing complicated: I *don't* expect to failover. 1. If site1 is down due to hurricane/disaster site2 has separate mailboxes, site1 outlooks won't be in the picture. 2. If ONLY site1's e2k3 is down, a few operators will need to log on with alternate ID's to connect to site2 Please note that - in terms of staff - we are a very small shop so that part is very manageable. But the data load is very large. MOST of the time the two sites are expected to act as one domain (which they are) and the two e2k3 servers are only intended to replicate some public folders and operate almost independently. On Feb 19, 2008 7:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't understand is how you plan to fail over Outlook to Site2's Exchange. Outlook is setup to connect to a specific server and AD links that user to that Mailbox. There is not a way for Exchange/AD to failover a user to another mailbox store automatically when its primary server is offline. To do this manually you would have to disconnect the user from their mailbox on Site1 and reconnect a mailbox on site2 in order for this to work, and I have never seen anyone do such a thing except when recovering from a DB failure, not as part of a multi-site DR model Your response, We need site2 to be usable as a back-up / disaster recovery site, even though it is already up and running production (not my design); the idea was to have a second set of mailboxes there with alternate email addresses and a second smtp outgoing channel. E2k7 can do standby continous replication to handle this specific requirement. Here is something from the ExchangeTeam http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2007/06/28/445538.aspx Greg M.S, Andy throw in here if I am missing something but I just done see how this scenario could work without a lot of manual disconnecting/reconnecting etc.. *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 3:54 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: step 1 I am not looking for automatic failover. I know that will take 3rd party software to do with e2k3.* * All I want is to be able to notify a few key clients: hey, hurricane! Per plan A please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and yes we have both our domains registered) While a hurricane is NOT in town I need site2 to be able to send via site2's e2k3, and site1 via site1's. MOST of the time both sites are up just fine, running production, no problem. But up thru a month ago site2 needed site1 to do email (including automatic emails), and as of my little oops BOTH sites' need to be up. Replicating the GC *may* have fixed that. I will know soon. * It seems e2k7 can do failover though. Is this correct? On Feb 18, 2008 2:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you have envisioned is not a designed way for Exchange 03 to function. A second set of mailboxes and emails is another database. Outlook doesn't fail over to another database in the event of server1 failure. To do what you are thinking about takes a secondary software like Doubletake to create a replication/fail over scenario. b. Is the new Exchange server in site 2, a DC/GC or is it just a member server? B1. Did you create 2 sites in AD or is it just one Domain and AD doesn't see one site different from the other(Just one big cloud
step 1
OK, I admit I am powerless over Exchange and my life has become unmanageable. My dumbest move of 2008 (and it's only February)... We have Ex 2K3 running at Site1 and are connected to Site2 via a 3mb MPLS connection. One domain over both. I brought up a second Ex 2k3 server at Site2, thinking I was creating some reliability. RIGHT...! Now, when the Site2 Ex 2k3 server is down, Site1 users get Exchange is off-line messages. 1. Where did I go wrong (aside from not testing this under virtualization we don't have)? 2. And is there a path out of the quicksand? Thanks in advance G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: step 1
a) We need site2 to be usable as a back-up / disaster recovery site, even though it is already up and running production (not my design); the idea was to have a second set of mailboxes there with alternate email addresses and a second smtp outgoing channel. b) at site2 I simply installed E2k3 and checked this is an additional server. c) GC was likely most of my problem, so you were far less clueless that I Thanks On Feb 18, 2008 12:09 PM, Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are clueless here because you've said nothing about: a) why and for whom you thought a second E2K3 would create reliability b) the steps you took in bringing up the E2K3 at site 2 b) what the topology of DCs and GC's happens to be, before and after Generally speaking, when you document the history and configuration to the extent that those who know nothing about it will understand it, you will end up understanding it better yourself, and in so doing you might even figure out the problem. Carl -- *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 12:46 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* step 1 OK, I admit I am powerless over Exchange and my life has become unmanageable. My dumbest move of 2008 (and it's only February)... We have Ex 2K3 running at Site1 and are connected to Site2 via a 3mb MPLS connection. One domain over both. I brought up a second Ex 2k3 server at Site2, thinking I was creating some reliability. RIGHT...! Now, when the Site2 Ex 2k3 server is down, Site1 users get Exchange is off-line messages. 1. Where did I go wrong (aside from not testing this under virtualization we don't have)? 2. And is there a path out of the quicksand? Thanks in advance G. Waleed Kavalec -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: step 1
I moved zilch over to site2, but as it turns out (due to historical reasons) the GC was on the site2 DC that became the site2 e2k3. The short-story version: site2 was brought up 100% win2k3 nice and clean, site1 is still a mixed bag, half of which is on our older 2k domain. On Feb 18, 2008 1:30 PM, ExchList [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points Carl! Mr. G: Did you happen to move all the mailboxes PF to Site 2? If not, what did you move over to site2? Joseph Danielsen, CSBS, MCSA-Messaging, MCP Network Blade Inc. 49 Marcy Street Somerset, NJ 08873 732-213-0600 *From:* Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Posted At:* Monday, February 18, 2008 1:10 PM *Posted To:* Exchange *Conversation:* step 1 *Subject:* RE: step 1 We are clueless here because you've said nothing about: a) why and for whom you thought a second E2K3 would create reliability b) the steps you took in bringing up the E2K3 at site 2 b) what the topology of DCs and GC's happens to be, before and after Generally speaking, when you document the history and configuration to the extent that those who know nothing about it will understand it, you will end up understanding it better yourself, and in so doing you might even figure out the problem. Carl -- *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 12:46 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* step 1 OK, I admit I am powerless over Exchange and my life has become unmanageable. My dumbest move of 2008 (and it's only February)... We have Ex 2K3 running at Site1 and are connected to Site2 via a 3mb MPLS connection. One domain over both. I brought up a second Ex 2k3 server at Site2, thinking I was creating some reliability. RIGHT...! Now, when the Site2 Ex 2k3 server is down, Site1 users get Exchange is off-line messages. 1. Where did I go wrong (aside from not testing this under virtualization we don't have)? 2. And is there a path out of the quicksand? Thanks in advance G. Waleed Kavalec -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: step 1
I am not looking for automatic failover. I know that will take 3rd party software to do with e2k3.* * All I want is to be able to notify a few key clients: hey, hurricane! Per plan A please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and yes we have both our domains registered) While a hurricane is NOT in town I need site2 to be able to send via site2's e2k3, and site1 via site1's. MOST of the time both sites are up just fine, running production, no problem. But up thru a month ago site2 needed site1 to do email (including automatic emails), and as of my little oops BOTH sites' need to be up. Replicating the GC *may* have fixed that. I will know soon. * It seems e2k7 can do failover though. Is this correct? On Feb 18, 2008 2:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you have envisioned is not a designed way for Exchange 03 to function. A second set of mailboxes and emails is another database. Outlook doesn't fail over to another database in the event of server1 failure. To do what you are thinking about takes a secondary software like Doubletake to create a replication/fail over scenario. b. Is the new Exchange server in site 2, a DC/GC or is it just a member server? B1. Did you create 2 sites in AD or is it just one Domain and AD doesn't see one site different from the other(Just one big cloud) Greg *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 2:47 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: step 1 a) We need site2 to be usable as a back-up / disaster recovery site, even though it is already up and running production (not my design); the idea was to have a second set of mailboxes there with alternate email addresses and a second smtp outgoing channel. b) at site2 I simply installed E2k3 and checked this is an additional server. c) GC was likely most of my problem, so you were far less clueless that I Thanks On Feb 18, 2008 12:09 PM, Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are clueless here because you've said nothing about: a) why and for whom you thought a second E2K3 would create reliability b) the steps you took in bringing up the E2K3 at site 2 b) what the topology of DCs and GC's happens to be, before and after Generally speaking, when you document the history and configuration to the extent that those who know nothing about it will understand it, you will end up understanding it better yourself, and in so doing you might even figure out the problem. Carl -- *From:* G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2008 12:46 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* step 1 OK, I admit I am powerless over Exchange and my life has become unmanageable. My dumbest move of 2008 (and it's only February)... We have Ex 2K3 running at Site1 and are connected to Site2 via a 3mb MPLS connection. One domain over both. I brought up a second Ex 2k3 server at Site2, thinking I was creating some reliability. RIGHT...! Now, when the Site2 Ex 2k3 server is down, Site1 users get Exchange is off-line messages. 1. Where did I go wrong (aside from not testing this under virtualization we don't have)? 2. And is there a path out of the quicksand? Thanks in advance G. Waleed Kavalec -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Live backup Ex2k3 at secondary site, any suggestions?
We are running Ex2k3 at our primary site, and receive mail for domain.com We are connected to our secondary site via a 3mb MPLS link; primary internet connection is 6 mb, secondary has 3mb. Pri 3mb--- Sec || || 6mb3mb | | | | net net Want we want to do is bring up a backup Ex2k3 at the secondary, and receive mail for domain.net Then, in a disaster, toggle the secondary to be able to receive both (we use ATT dns). Any pitfalls? Any way to keep the two sync'ed up hot? Thanks -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Live backup Ex2k3 at secondary site, any suggestions?
Actually we would be happy with less-than-real-time. Mostly the ability to use both servers live, and the ability to sync them up overnight. On Feb 5, 2008 3:08 PM, Scott Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you are looking for real time replication. 3rd party software can do this. We use CA's XOSoft wansyncHA and it works pretty well. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- -- -- -- G. Waleed Kavalec - In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -- Mark Twain ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
