RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
What are you doing with all these names you're collecting? Are we looking at some sort of 'hall of shame' ? :) Neil -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 27 June 2002 02:13 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Consultants recommended this? NAMES! I WANT NAMES!! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately on 01202-360360 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
He's writing a book entitled The WorldCom Guide to Effective Management. This is the sequel to A manual of shredding sponsored by Enron and Arthur Andersen. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 June 2002 09:08 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? What are you doing with all these names you're collecting? Are we looking at some sort of 'hall of shame' ? :) Neil -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 27 June 2002 02:13 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Consultants recommended this? NAMES! I WANT NAMES!! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately on 01202-360360 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
I might if someone would actually give me some. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? What are you doing with all these names you're collecting? Are we looking at some sort of 'hall of shame' ? :) Neil -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 27 June 2002 02:13 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Consultants recommended this? NAMES! I WANT NAMES!! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately on 01202-360360 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
LMAO! -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? He's writing a book entitled The WorldCom Guide to Effective Management. This is the sequel to A manual of shredding sponsored by Enron and Arthur Andersen. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 June 2002 09:08 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? What are you doing with all these names you're collecting? Are we looking at some sort of 'hall of shame' ? :) Neil -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 27 June 2002 02:13 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Consultants recommended this? NAMES! I WANT NAMES!! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately on 01202-360360 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Can anyone point out the relevant technet articles / white papers stating what issues you will get with Exchange 2k on a DC / GC server? - Original Message - From: Thompson, Elizabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Title: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Consultants recommended this? NAMES! I WANT NAMES!! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:30 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Thanks All for your help. This definitely gives me a direction to go from. I think I will have a long talk with our consultants Liz -Original Message- From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? We all know it works .. That's not the question. The question is what paper MCSE+I student is consulting them stating it is a good idea. Especially since he/she is also getting less work out of it by only installing one server and not two. You may really want to re-consider your consultant as not just uninformed but a bad business person that probably wont be around for too much longer :). If I had my choice I would probably put 3 servers in every client we do. Considering even a base server of any importance is 2-3k, and our installation is about 2k, it gets pricey pretty quick and not everyone can afford it. I could always find ms papers to support putting everything on its own server. I would be hard pressed to find one that recommends all-in-one. Oh wait! I could sell SBS 2000 :) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
So, your geocluster is back on the HCL now? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Yea, and Don has finally gotten my Outlook Recall feature to work over on the Swynk list. Amazing! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? So, your geocluster is back on the HCL now? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
VBG -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yea, and Don has finally gotten my Outlook Recall feature to work over on the Swynk list. Amazing! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? So, your geocluster is back on the HCL now? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Ya, that Don guy isn't just all hot air. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yea, and Don has finally gotten my Outlook Recall feature to work over on the Swynk list. Amazing! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? So, your geocluster is back on the HCL now? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Yeah, he's one kernel short of a corn cob... -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Ya, that Don guy isn't just all hot air. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yea, and Don has finally gotten my Outlook Recall feature to work over on the Swynk list. Amazing! -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? So, your geocluster is back on the HCL now? -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Yup. I was walking that line there for awhile. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? There's also the notion of remaining 'supported' however. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 5:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Like everything else however, I prefer my own real life experiences and wisdom/opinions of people I trust rather than relying on a passage in a book (not necessarily disagreeing with the statement mind you) - however, in very small environments, I could easily see an Exchange Server running quite happily on a BDC. If I were to always rely on Microsoft's opinion, I would have never installed Antigen 3 years ago. -Original Message- From: Joe Friess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:39 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? If you look on page 107, Defining Your Servers role in Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5 Administrator's Companion, Microsoft press, ISBN 0-7356-0646-3, it clearly states that you should not run your Exchange Server on a PDC or BDC. Joe Friess -Original Message- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? MS Exchange 5.5 Disaster Recovery White Paper for one. You will cry if the Exchange server goes down and it is your PDC and there are no BDC's. Even if it is your BDC, it is still a bad choice. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed
DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
I read the same Q that you should not run Exchange on a DC I thought I book marked it but I guess not. I would hire a new consultant. In fact if I remember the article correctly ms advises not running anything on the DC -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
The DR white paper does not like it on the only DC you have. I dont seen anything wrong with it. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
The disaster recovery doc on MS' website (http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/E2Krecovery.asp) recommends not. I think it's mostly a performance issue. I've got it running both ways at different sites; some clients have limited resources and no choice. I haven't done any hard performance comparisons, but the ones that aren't DC's definitely seem to perform better. I got in a jam during my upgrade process and had to call Uncle Bill's Boys-they recommended that I not have the Exchange server be a DC. --Jon Jon Farr Server/Network Support Computers in Ministry List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded?
Wasn't that back in the 5.0 days. About half the people said yes, the other half said no. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? It is written in several places that it is not recommended to put Exchange on a DC. There are two primary reasons: 1) performance 2) disaster recovery. While Exchange certainly can go on a DC, nowhere, NOWHERE does Microsoft recommend this as the preferred deployment. Challenge your consultants. And NAMES! I want NAMES! -Original Message- From: Thompson, Elizabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: DCs, Exchange and not recommemnded? Per prior thread (see messages below) you all mentioned that there is MS docs that recommend not running Exchange on the DC. Our consultants recommended to us that we should use exchange on the DC because it was recommended by MS. Can you point me in the direction of the Docs you referenced? Current setup: total users 1800 site 1 NT 4 PDC NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 2 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 site 3 NT 4 BDC NT 4 EXC 5.5 SP4 Current future plan site 1 DC with global cat. DC with EXC 2000 Site 2 DC with EXC 2000 site 3 DC with EXC 2000 Thanks for your directions. At least I now know that there could be some issues (atleast more then normal upgrade issues) Elizabeth Thompson Service and Support Technician CCBC - Catonsville -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 4:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? I have an Exchange2000 server that's been running on a DC/GC through beta3, RC1, RC2 and RTM. No problems. No unusual funkiness. The documentation strongly recommends against installing it on a DC. Though, I'm sure they hate it when customers pull crap like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange on DC? On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, at 1:49pm, Herchenbach, Jim wrote: I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? It will install. It will even work, sort of. But, from practical experience, I can tell you that it does not work well. We did this with one of our small customers in a single-server environment. We figured, Hey, if Small Business Server does it, why can't we? Well, all sorts of funky things happened. Confusing message dialogs, lots of errors in the Event Log, etc. Spent a lot of time in the MS PSS Knowledge Base. We even called PSS on a few issues. They all resolved to, You can ignore that; Exchange will sometimes generate that error in a single-server environment. Basically, Microsoft told us Exchange is not designed to run on an Domain Controller. Not in so many words, but that is what it amounted to. I got the distinct impression that the only reason it is supported at all is that otherwise, they would not be able to sell Small Business Server, and Microsoft management will not allow that. I hate it when companies pull crap like that. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do | not | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, | entity or | organization. All information is provided without | warranty of any kind. | -Original Message- From: Steve Balen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? This depends on the size of your org and the amount of traffic generated. Say a 50 user org - with a nice juicy box (at least a dual p-4 with 4 gigs of ram) sure you could run e2k on a dc, and even get away with running owa on it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:50 PM To: Balen, Steve B - Raleigh, NC; [EMAIL PROTECTED] at INTERNET Subject: RE: Exchange on DC? Can be. But I hear horror stories -Original Message- From: Herchenbach, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exchange on DC? I know it's not recommended, but can Exchange 2k be installed on a DC? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
