RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: Message I was on an Hands-on training day on Exchange on Friday and the instructor stated that the changes from 5.5 to 2000 were as different as the changes from 4 (I think) to 5. He also pointed out that you must have Active Directory to run Exchange 2000. Integrating Exchange with active directory from the start is probably a lot easier than deploying AD and then repeating the setup for each user under exchange. Microsoft are currently running 100% subsidised (i.e. free) training days accross the uk. Portal and Collaboration course is all about exchange 2000 and SharePoint Server and is a good introduction to Exchange 2000. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/skills/handsonlabs/scenario/ Plus you will probably be able to persuade the trainer to answer any specific questions that you have. Hope this helps Mike Hoffman -Original Message-From: Chris Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 19 April 2002 12:38To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Sorry, just that your bosses attitude hit a nerve. You might tell him that I have just completed an upgrade to E2k without prior training and all of the problems I had were the result of things I did not know... One of them even resulted in a cal to PSS (luckily at the per incident charge not the hourly rate) because it was not documented anywhere that I could find, but it was something that is included in the training... -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences I agree with your suggestion Chris, but it will not wash with him. This will be part of a bigger migration as I have already upgraded all clients to Win2K Pro, My test environment has also been upgraded to Win2K Servers with no AD yet, my critical servers are next and he want them all Win2K plus the Exchange server. -Original Message-From: Chris Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:18 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences If there is no difference then you should tell him there is no need to upgrade. -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:06 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says " It's the same product been renamed". Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: Message Sorry, just that your bosses attitude hit a nerve. You might tell him that I have just completed an upgrade to E2k without prior training and all of the problems I had were the result of things I did not know... One of them even resulted in a cal to PSS (luckily at the per incident charge not the hourly rate) because it was not documented anywhere that I could find, but it was something that is included in the training... -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences I agree with your suggestion Chris, but it will not wash with him. This will be part of a bigger migration as I have already upgraded all clients to Win2K Pro, My test environment has also been upgraded to Win2K Servers with no AD yet, my critical servers are next and he want them all Win2K plus the Exchange server. -Original Message-From: Chris Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:18 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences If there is no difference then you should tell him there is no need to upgrade. -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:06 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says " It's the same product been renamed". Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: 5.5 & Ex2K Differences
You
could compromise and buy a few good books on the subject...
Exchange 2000 admin is totally different from Exchange 5.5
admin.
I've
administered both, trained in neither. It is possible to do, you
know.
Cheers,
Phil
-Phil RandalNetwork
EngineerHerefordshire CouncilHereford, UK
-Original Message-From: Mike Channon
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 19 April 2002
11:06To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K
Differences
Hi People,
I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training
course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer
our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money
because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says "
It's the same product been renamed".
Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental
differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to
tell him why it should be me who attend the course.
Regards
Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior
Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support
. Logica UK (Automotive)
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RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: Message Yeh but this is an opportunity for the boss to pay for something rather than me keep funding myself -Original Message-From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:18 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences You could compromise and buy a few good books on the subject... Exchange 2000 admin is totally different from Exchange 5.5 admin. I've administered both, trained in neither. It is possible to do, you know. Cheers, Phil -Phil RandalNetwork EngineerHerefordshire CouncilHereford, UK -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 19 April 2002 11:06To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says " It's the same product been renamed". Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: 5.5 & Ex2K Differences
If
there is no difference then you should tell him there is no need to
upgrade.
-Original Message-From: Mike Channon
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:06
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K
Differences
Hi People,
I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training
course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer
our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money
because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says "
It's the same product been renamed".
Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental
differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to
tell him why it should be me who attend the course.
Regards
Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior
Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support
. Logica UK (Automotive)
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RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: Message I agree with your suggestion Chris, but it will not wash with him. This will be part of a bigger migration as I have already upgraded all clients to Win2K Pro, My test environment has also been upgraded to Win2K Servers with no AD yet, my critical servers are next and he want them all Win2K plus the Exchange server. -Original Message-From: Chris Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:18 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences If there is no difference then you should tell him there is no need to upgrade. -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:06 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says " It's the same product been renamed". Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
When you get down to it, there are many similarities and many differences. Administering user settings, e.g. mailbox limits, delivery options, delivery restrictions, etc, are all fairly similar. The main learning curves can come if you're multi-site, where you have different admin groups, routing groups, and associated connectors. But equally, learning new things in a single site can take time, e.g. what the RUS is, creating address lists, how the ADC integrates the two environments, etc. With the right books (http://www.swinc.com/resource/exchange.htm) and a suitable test lab, you could probably survive without a course. On the other hand, Exchange can be fairly unforgiving if a big design mistake is made! And, of course, there's lists like this to help! Also, If you need any consultancy :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 19 April 2002 11:06 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Subject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says It's the same product been renamed. Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
Title: Message Sorry, just that your bosses attitude hit a nerve. You might tell him that I have just completed an upgrade to E2k without prior training and all of the problems I had were the result of things I did not know... One of them even resulted in a cal to PSS (luckily at the per incident charge not the hourly rate) because it was not documented anywhere that I could find, but it was something that is included in the training... -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences I agree with your suggestion Chris, but it will not wash with him. This will be part of a bigger migration as I have already upgraded all clients to Win2K Pro, My test environment has also been upgraded to Win2K Servers with no AD yet, my critical servers are next and he want them all Win2K plus the Exchange server. -Original Message-From: Chris Norris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:18 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences If there is no difference then you should tell him there is no need to upgrade. -Original Message-From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:06 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says " It's the same product been renamed". Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences
I think the primary differences are not Exchange specific. If the admin is very good in Active Directory, he is WAY ahead. William -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:35 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: 5.5 Ex2K Differences When you get down to it, there are many similarities and many differences. Administering user settings, e.g. mailbox limits, delivery options, delivery restrictions, etc, are all fairly similar. The main learning curves can come if you're multi-site, where you have different admin groups, routing groups, and associated connectors. But equally, learning new things in a single site can take time, e.g. what the RUS is, creating address lists, how the ADC integrates the two environments, etc. With the right books (http://www.swinc.com/resource/exchange.htm) and a suitable test lab, you could probably survive without a course. On the other hand, Exchange can be fairly unforgiving if a big design mistake is made! And, of course, there's lists like this to help! Also, If you need any consultancy :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Mike Channon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 19 April 2002 11:06 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Subject: 5.5 Ex2K Differences Hi People, I am having to justify to the big boss man why he needs to fund a training course on Exchange 2000. Because I already administer our 5.5 Exchange server he says he needs justification to spend the money because he does not see any difference between the two versions, he says It's the same product been renamed. Can any one tell me in lay terms what are the fundamental differences between the two versions, I am open to any suggestions as what to tell him why it should be me who attend the course. Regards Mike Channon MCSE, CAN, CCSA Senior Server Engineer, Systems and Infrastructure Support . Logica UK (Automotive) This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient's) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
