Re: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
I think its a smart move on their part. Violating the spec of not, it will
cause less confusion amongst their users, and less likely a chance for an
accidental exposure of information.
--
ME2
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:
According to Google, that's a feature. Their take is they didn't
want b.scott@ and bscott@ being two different recipients -- too easily
confused or used in a social engineering attack. Which I guess makes
sense, but (AFAIK) they don't apply the same filter to other funny
characters, so b_scott@ and bscott@ actually are two different
recipients. Go figure.
More problematic is the tendency for big email providers to have
many users with addresses of the form ${BASE}${NUMBER}@example.com.
So you get bscott@, bscott1@, bscott2@, bscott2112@, and so on. These
get confused by most people quite often -- especially for the poor guy
who has ${BASE}@example.com without any number.
I do agree with the recommendation to avoid any funny characters in
email addresses, host, and domain names. I even recommend avoiding
dots in email addresses. It's hard enough getting people to type this
stuff correctly without introducing punctuation.
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr michealespin...@gmail.com wrote: According to Google, that's a feature. Their take is they didn't want b.scott@ and bscott@ being two different recipients -- too easily confused or used in a social engineering attack. I think its a smart move on their part. Violating the spec of not ... As far as I know, Google is not violating any spec. The RFCs do not require every mailbox name to be a unique person, and indeed, specifically allow for other approaches. I just checked, and even RFC-5322, the latest on the Internet email format, still has this classic remark: For example, some sites may choose to print mail on a printer and deliver the output to the addressee's desk. -- Ben --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Chris cmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Another one missed by none other than Google for their Gmail service is the
. . To Gmail, c.mu...@gmail.com is the same as cmu...@gmail.com is the
same as cmun...@gmail.com.
Didn't know how many of you knew that or not.
According to Google, that's a feature. Their take is they didn't
want b.scott@ and bscott@ being two different recipients -- too easily
confused or used in a social engineering attack. Which I guess makes
sense, but (AFAIK) they don't apply the same filter to other funny
characters, so b_scott@ and bscott@ actually are two different
recipients. Go figure.
More problematic is the tendency for big email providers to have
many users with addresses of the form ${BASE}${NUMBER}@example.com.
So you get bscott@, bscott1@, bscott2@, bscott2112@, and so on. These
get confused by most people quite often -- especially for the poor guy
who has ${BASE}@example.com without any number.
I do agree with the recommendation to avoid any funny characters in
email addresses, host, and domain names. I even recommend avoiding
dots in email addresses. It's hard enough getting people to type this
stuff correctly without introducing punctuation.
-- Ben bendotsc...@example.com
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
Best practice would be to get them to change their name, much easier, this goes
for people with common names who share them in an organisation too.
From: xyz [mailto:x...@minneapolis.edu]
Sent: 09 March 2011 01:20
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
Greetings,
We have for example user John O'Brian.
From what I read, John.O'br...@company.com is legal per RFC2822 but currently
we have set john.obr...@company.commailto:john.obr...@company.com
...the local-part of the e-mail may use any of these ASCII characters:
* Uppercase and lowercase letters
* The digits 0 through 9
* The characters,! # $ % ' * + - / =? ^ _ ` { | } ~
* The character . provided that it is not the first or last character in the
local-part.
However, I also read that some email applications may not process ( ' )
correctly. ( I can deal with that with other SMTP address options if needed)
(user AD login name is obrianjo, and has that default mailbox alias)
In 2010 EXCHANGE MANAGEMENT CONSOLE - RECIPIENT CONFIGURATION - MAILBOX - John
OBrian Properties, we show:
GENERAL tab = John OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Last Name=OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Name=John OBrian
At minimum, I would like this to display properly in the campus OAB.
Would I need to change to O'Brian in all three fields above?
I could then add John.O'br...@company.com as another SMTP email address, (or
would this happen automatically by changing the above fields?)
This is a new high level administrator so I want to be careful to not mess
anything up.
We have done this both ways on our old GROUPWISE system, but what is best
practice in EXCHANGE?
Thanks for your help.
Dana
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to
listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
This electronic message contains information from CACI International Inc or
subsidiary companies, which may be confidential, proprietary,
privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is
intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named above. If you are not
an intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. If
you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately
at postmas...@caci.co.uk
Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and
attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good
computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free.
CACI Limited. Registered in England Wales. Registration No. 1649776. CACI
House, Avonmore Road, London, W14 8TS.
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
To set the name using the apostrophe so it appears correctly in the OAB,
wouldn't that just be the Display Name?
I sound like I'm asking because I haven't touched/seen/smelled Xch 2010
yet.
J
Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
Datasafe Platform
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-293-4499
www.fiserv.com http://www.fiserv.com/
From: xyz [mailto:x...@minneapolis.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:20 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
Greetings,
We have for example user John O'Brian.
From what I read, John.O'br...@company.com is legal per RFC2822 but
currently we have set john.obr...@company.com
...the local-part of the e-mail may use any of these ASCII characters:
* Uppercase and lowercase letters
* The digits 0 through 9
* The characters,! # $ % ' * + - / =? ^ _ ` { | } ~
* The character . provided that it is not the first or last character
in the local-part.
However, I also read that some email applications may not process ( ' )
correctly. ( I can deal with that with other SMTP address options if
needed)
(user AD login name is obrianjo, and has that default mailbox alias)
In 2010 EXCHANGE MANAGEMENT CONSOLE - RECIPIENT CONFIGURATION - MAILBOX
- John OBrian Properties, we show:
GENERAL tab = John OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Last Name=OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Name=John OBrian
At minimum, I would like this to display properly in the campus OAB.
Would I need to change to O'Brian in all three fields above?
I could then add John.O'br...@company.com as another SMTP email
address, (or would this happen automatically by changing the above
fields?)
This is a new high level administrator so I want to be careful to not
mess anything up.
We have done this both ways on our old GROUPWISE system, but what is
best practice in EXCHANGE?
Thanks for your help.
Dana
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
I've had a similar occurrence happen to me. And I still get emails for him
occasionally. Last one I received last week was when he setup his auto pay
for his Allstate car insurance...
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote:
I started noticing that when someone else's wife was e-mailing me to do
lists. She was sending them to sean.marti...@gmail.com (my address is
seanmarti...@gmail.com). I don't know if her husband once used
sean.marti...@gmail.com, but I had to politely reply to her and advise
that I had my own 'honey do' list and that I couldn't oblige.
- Sean
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Chris cmu...@gmail.com wrote:
Another one missed by none other than Google for their Gmail service is
the . . To Gmail, c.mu...@gmail.com is the same as cmu...@gmail.com is
the same as cmun...@gmail.com.
Didn't know how many of you knew that or not.
Chris
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Nicholas Turner ntur...@caci.co.ukwrote:
Best practice would be to get them to change their name, much easier,
this goes for people with common names who share them in an organisation
too.
*From:* xyz [mailto:x...@minneapolis.edu]
*Sent:* 09 March 2011 01:20
*To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
*Subject:* Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
Greetings,
We have for example user John O'Brian.
From what I read, John.O'br...@company.com is legal per RFC2822 but
currently we have set john.obr...@company.com
...the local-part of the e-mail may use any of these ASCII characters:
* Uppercase and lowercase letters
* The digits 0 through 9
* The characters,! # $ % ' * + - / =? ^ _ ` { ¦ } ~
* The character . provided that it is not the first or last character
in the local-part.
However, I also read that some email applications may not process ( ' )
correctly. ( I can deal with that with other SMTP address options if needed)
(user AD login name is obrianjo, and has that default mailbox alias)
In 2010 EXCHANGE MANAGEMENT CONSOLE - RECIPIENT CONFIGURATION - MAILBOX -
John OBrian Properties, we show:
GENERAL tab = John OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Last Name=OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Name=John OBrian
At minimum, I would like this to display properly in the campus OAB.
Would I need to change to O'Brian in all three fields above?
I could then add John.O'br...@company.com as another SMTP email
address, (or would this happen automatically by changing the above fields?)
This is a new high level administrator so I want to be careful to not
mess anything up.
We have done this both ways on our old GROUPWISE system, but what is best
practice in EXCHANGE?
Thanks for your help.
Dana
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
This electronic message contains information from CACI International Inc
or
subsidiary companies, which may be confidential, proprietary,
privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is
intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named above. If you are
not
an intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited.
If
you have received this transmission in error, please notify us
immediately
at postmas...@caci.co.uk
Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and
attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good
computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus
free.
CACI Limited. Registered in England Wales. Registration No. 1649776.
CACI House, Avonmore Road, London, W14 8TS.
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
I would recommend that you not allow it. Not because of Exchange, but
because of an unknown issue you may have with some other mail
system/filter. Quotes of any kind can be particularly difficult because of
how they are used inherently in script-based apps.
I would err on the side of caution and not introduce anything that may
sporadically be problematic.
--
ME2
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, xyz x...@minneapolis.edu wrote:
Greetings,
We have for example user John O'Brian.
From what I read, John.O'br...@company.com is legal per RFC2822 but
currently we have set john.obr...@company.com
...the local-part of the e-mail may use any of these ASCII characters:
* Uppercase and lowercase letters
* The digits 0 through 9
* The characters,! # $ % ' * + - / =? ^ _ ` { ¦ } ~
* The character . provided that it is not the first or last character in
the local-part.
However, I also read that some email applications may not process ( ' )
correctly. ( I can deal with that with other SMTP address options if needed)
(user AD login name is obrianjo, and has that default mailbox alias)
In 2010 EXCHANGE MANAGEMENT CONSOLE - RECIPIENT CONFIGURATION - MAILBOX -
John OBrian Properties, we show:
GENERAL tab = John OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Last Name=OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Name=John OBrian
At minimum, I would like this to display properly in the campus OAB.
Would I need to change to O'Brian in all three fields above?
I could then add John.O'br...@company.com as another SMTP email address,
(or would this happen automatically by changing the above fields?)
This is a new high level administrator so I want to be careful to not mess
anything up.
We have done this both ways on our old GROUPWISE system, but what is best
practice in EXCHANGE?
Thanks for your help.
Dana
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
I was babysitting a network while the client was in search of a new tech to
do it fulltime. There was one user that had a last name with the apostrophe
as the primary address. She had a lot of problems with e-mail. I created a
primary without the apostrophe and moved the apostrophe name as an alias.
She was furious to lost the apostrophe, but stopped having problems with
outgoing mail. Still had some problems with incoming, but she refused to
send out a notification to all who had her address about using the new one.
I'd advise skipping the apostrophe, not so much as your system will have a
problem, but other systems out there may.
\\Steve//
From: xyz [mailto:x...@minneapolis.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:20 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Apostrophe in email address - best practice?
Greetings,
We have for example user John O'Brian.
From what I read, John.O'br...@company.com is legal per RFC2822 but
currently we have set john.obr...@company.com
...the local-part of the e-mail may use any of these ASCII characters:
* Uppercase and lowercase letters
* The digits 0 through 9
* The characters,! # $ % ' * + - / =? ^ _ ` { | } ~
* The character . provided that it is not the first or last character in
the local-part.
However, I also read that some email applications may not process ( ' )
correctly. ( I can deal with that with other SMTP address options if needed)
(user AD login name is obrianjo, and has that default mailbox alias)
In 2010 EXCHANGE MANAGEMENT CONSOLE - RECIPIENT CONFIGURATION - MAILBOX -
John OBrian Properties, we show:
GENERAL tab = John OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Last Name=OBrian
USER INFORMATION tab - Name=John OBrian
At minimum, I would like this to display properly in the campus OAB.
Would I need to change to O'Brian in all three fields above?
I could then add John.O'br...@company.com as another SMTP email address,
(or would this happen automatically by changing the above fields?)
This is a new high level administrator so I want to be careful to not mess
anything up.
We have done this both ways on our old GROUPWISE system, but what is best
practice in EXCHANGE?
Thanks for your help.
Dana
---
To manage subscriptions click here:
http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
