RE: Circular logging with mailbox level backup
I wouldn't recommend it. Brick level backup and restore is not supported by Microsoft. Period. If you have a database where you have done a brick level restore, then your database is not supported. This is not a change. This has always been true. If you are happy and believe that your backup vendor can do everything for you, support-wise, then don't worry about this. From: Jean-Paul N [mailto:jnat...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging with mailbox level backup Hi all, Our offsite backup program now has mailbox / brick level backup, however it doesn't seem to purge/truncate log files I have tested restoring random maiboxes and it works fine, would it be safe to enable circular logging? TIA J --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Circular Logging setting
Depends on what your RPO is. By setting circular logging you are limiting your recovery to the last full backup. With circular logging disabled you can recover up to your latest consistent log files. -alex On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Chris Pohlschneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to control the amount of log files and the space that it is taking up on my Exchange server. Currently it is not enabled and I have read by enabling this option that it will prevent the overall number of log files that are stored on the server for Exchange. Is there any drawbacks to enabling this setting? Exchange 2003 Enterprise Windows Server 2003 Standard Service Pack 2 Chris Pohlschneider Network Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 937-494-2559 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Circular Logging setting
Use an Exchange-aware backup program daily and the log files will be automatically removed. If you are generating more log files than there is space within a 24h period, increase the available space. Circular logging means that older log files are thrown away before being backed up, and in the event of a disaster recovery from a failure of database storage, you could not fully recover all messages received prior to the failure. Of course any such disaster recovery also depends on proper backups and separation of logs from database, which you may or may not have done or be doing. Carl From: Chris Pohlschneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging setting Hello, I am trying to control the amount of log files and the space that it is taking up on my Exchange server. Currently it is not enabled and I have read by enabling this option that it will prevent the overall number of log files that are stored on the server for Exchange. Is there any drawbacks to enabling this setting? Exchange 2003 Enterprise Windows Server 2003 Standard Service Pack 2 Chris Pohlschneider Network Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] 937-494-2559 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Circular logging?
You doubt me? Les I am innocent /Les -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? This statement is a lie. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Me? Sarcastic? Never!!! -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? That wasn't sarcasm from Don, now was it? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? Yes, and file level AV Scanners on the Exchsrvr directories and BLB's as well... -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
Ummm... No! NO! Mapi for you 2 weeks.. You must use PINE! --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? I don't have any loose data, so can I use circular logging? ;-) -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 26 June 2002 15:34 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Circular logging? Subject: RE: Circular logging? A mail box server will benefit for the ability to have a roll forward recovery. Where you can restore from Back then roll the current logs from the time of back up against the database. Thus loosing no data. A gateway server that has no mailboxes on it, And is only really doing routing or relaying does not need to have that ability, in that case Circular logging is recommended. For what you are doing circular logging is bad. Just go get another drive. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately on 01202-360360 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
On what? -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:22 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
I know it's a bad idea, but for some reason if we don't backup on the weekends which we usually don't, some of our clients fill up 3-5 gigs of hard disk space. So I had to turn it on in a few places. I don't manage huge (over 250) user bases in exchange for most of our clients, so not sure how important it is for more simple installations. In ex5.5 Ive never had a problem restoring w/o the logs, and luckily havent had to do one yet on e2k. Im sure more people will elaborate as to the nightmares etc etc ... -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
A mail box server will benefit for the ability to have a roll forward recovery. Where you can restore from Back then roll the current logs from the time of back up against the database. Thus loosing no data. A gateway server that has no mailboxes on it, And is only really doing routing or relaying does not need to have that ability, in that case Circular logging is recommended. For what you are doing circular logging is bad. Just go get another drive. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
On your statement It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 16:08 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? On what? -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:22 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
I refer to my learned colleague, Mr Miller's missive. -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:44 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? On your statement It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 16:08 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? On what? -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:22 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
That wasn't sarcasm from Don, now was it? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? Yes, and file level AV Scanners on the Exchsrvr directories and BLB's as well... -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
Me? Sarcastic? Never!!! -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? That wasn't sarcasm from Don, now was it? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? Yes, and file level AV Scanners on the Exchsrvr directories and BLB's as well... -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
This statement is a lie. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Me? Sarcastic? Never!!! -Original Message- From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? That wasn't sarcasm from Don, now was it? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? Yes, and file level AV Scanners on the Exchsrvr directories and BLB's as well... -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
Well done. And it makes the lumberjacks dizzy. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? A mail box server will benefit for the ability to have a roll forward recovery. Where you can restore from Back then roll the current logs from the time of back up against the database. Thus loosing no data. A gateway server that has no mailboxes on it, And is only really doing routing or relaying does not need to have that ability, in that case Circular logging is recommended. For what you are doing circular logging is bad. Just go get another drive. --Kevinm KMAP-SR, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond http://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message- From: Kahn, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? Do you care to elaborate on that? Stuart K. -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Circular logging? There are very few circumstances where Circular logging is a good idea. It's a particularly bad idea on a server which contains mailboxes. Kevin -Original Message- From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 June 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular logging? Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear space for the transaction log files. Any ideas? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** The information in this email and any attachment or any reproduction of this email is confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. If received in error please advise the sender and delete all records of it from your system. Racing Champions International Limited Hembury House, Pynes Hill, Rydon Lane, Exeter, EX2 5AZ Tel: +44 (0)1392 281 900 Fax: +44 (0)1392 213 125 Registered in England No. 1634124 A List of Directors may be inspected at the Registered office as above ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular logging?
His white space will be much whiter too, if he will use a toothbrush on the grout in the BLB's ---Original Message--- From: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:21:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular logging? This statement is a lie.-Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:42 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Circular logging?Me? Sarcastic? Never!!!-Original Message-From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:09 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Circular logging?That wasn't sarcasm from Don, now was it?-Original Message-From: Ely, Don [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:07 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Circular logging?Yes, and file level AV Scanners on the Exchsrvr directories andBLB's aswell...-Original Message-From: Jimmy Dejesus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:09 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Circular logging?Do you recommend circular logging? We're trying to clear spacefor thetransaction log files. Any ideas?List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
they can't find the tape drive?!? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com The Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I'll get a world record for this.. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 9:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Yea, that's what I am going to wind up doing. I will bring a W2K laptop and install the Exadmin on it. Will this work on W2K pro or does it need to be server? We have TechNet so I wont need a demo to install it. I would reinstall the tape drive but the idiots can find it so I am stuck in that situation. Anyway, some of the logfile have been moved from the Exchange partition to another and there isn't enough space to put those log files back. I will have to compress all that I can to get them back on there which is almost like 2GB. Once I get all the log files in place I will perform the backup using NTBackup and hopefully this problem will be solved. As far as who is handling the installation, it is a lost cause. This company is cheap and doesn't listen to our recommendations. I told them to purchase the Exchange Agent about 4 months ago when this issue first arrived. Since it was working they choose to ignore me. I gave them the alternate solution of using BackupExec which was previously installed on the box to back up the other server since it already had the Agent. Its hard working for cheapskates that only care about things when they start to have problems. Well let me get to work and see what happens! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Yes, that is correct. Run setup, select the admin portion only and NTBackup is replaced with an Exchange-aware version. Heck, in Paul's case, he could download a demo of W2K server, throw it on a P133, install exchange5.5 admin, run NTBackup over the wire to disk in a pinch. Otherwise, whoever is handling this installation should be replaced. Just my thoughts. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again
RE: Circular Logging
$CAN or $US? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com The Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - 16146744725492728 3348691600064758591746278121269007351830924153010630289329566584 3662000800476778967984382090797619859493646309380586336721469695 975027968771205724999805614533820741203159337703099491527469 1835659376210222006812679827344576093802030447912277498091795593 8387121000588766689258448700470772552497060444652127130404321182 610103591186476662963858495087448497373476861420880529443 - -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get
RE: Circular Logging
Good call... Maybe that is why two of them were fired/asked to leave before I came on board Makes you wonder... --- Lefkovics, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that is correct. Run setup, select the admin portion only and NTBackup is replaced with an Exchange-aware version. Heck, in Paul's case, he could download a demo of W2K server, throw it on a P133, install exchange5.5 admin, run NTBackup over the wire to disk in a pinch. Otherwise, whoever is handling this installation should be replaced. Just my thoughts. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt
RE: Circular Logging
NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Run NTBackup. You may need to move your tape drive. It will clear the logs as Backup Exec once did. ARCServe will work eventually, probably after much pain - good luck with that. Have you still got the BE licences? Maybe its not too late to back track? Cheers, Marty -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 11:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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No, but do you have a different computer that has Win2K on it? It will have the option to backup to a file. Install the Exchange Server Admin tools on it and then do a backup from that computer to a file on that computer. It should work just fine. The only backup I use to backup Exchange is NTBackup in Win2K. Forget ArcServe. Diane -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Thats a bargain.. -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter
RE: Circular Logging
Its starting to sound like your planning on not running a backup today, which is insane. Move the tape drive, resolve the issue. Cheers, Marty -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt
RE: Circular Logging
do a full backup using ntbackup. This will have been modified when Exchange was installed to be able to see the exchange organisation. This will also clear the logs without having to install the AArghserve client. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 8:34 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
Ya sure Kevin! I bet your in cahoots with William;-) HAHAHAHA jlc -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging That's a bargain.. -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another
RE: Circular Logging
So who is footing the bill for all the awesome advice on this list ;) ? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 20:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List
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Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I think William has said this previously but yes, it changes some of the dll's so that it can see the Exchange organisation. I've just stopped using AArghserve and started using NTbackup. It seems to get through the backup much quicker than AKserve ever did. Probably because we had BLB's enabled. :) -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 7 December 2001 10:56 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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If it'll make it'll make you feel any better, all my exchange files were compressed at one point by one of my predecessors. Worked fine. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Circular Logging
I'll do it for $50/hr, but I don't know what I'm doing!! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ
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I meant the Exchange advice, I don't know what you are talking about ;) -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 22:56 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I'll do it for $50/hr, but I don't know what I'm doing!! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I
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Yea, I heard about you 3... jlc -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging He's not, but I am. ;o) D In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. -Desiderius Erasmus -Original Message- From: Joe L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Ya sure Kevin! I bet your in cahoots with William;-) HAHAHAHA jlc -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging That's a bargain.. -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Throw another hard drive in? Sorry. Log file compression is not recommended except in emergencies. But do note, that these log files compress very well. It only takes a few to give you some breathing room. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:01 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Okay, this sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately there isn't one W2K machine in that office. So what other choices do I have. Circular logging is currently disabled and there is about 2MB free on the partition containing Exchange dB's and logs. the other partitions do not have enough space to move the dB's or the logs too. So I am stuck. I can probably compress the logs but I still need to get it backup somehow to get the logs moved off of the server. Any more ideas? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging If this is Windows2000, use NTBackup to disk if you have to until proper deployment of Exchange aware backup software is done. Do not implement circular logging. IF you are able to do an online backup tonight AND the log drive is full causing services to stop, then pick a couple of logs and compress them with NTFS compression. This is NOT for regular use. Only for emergency to free up space. Do the online backup. Then look for someone to take the fall to set an example to the others. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec
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Kevin charges much more. You works faster, too. -Original Message- From: Joe L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Ya sure Kevin! I bet your in cahoots with William;-) HAHAHAHA jlc -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging That's a bargain.. -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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D'oh! *He* works faster, too. I'm old and slow. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Kevin charges much more. You works faster, too. -Original Message- From: Joe L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Ya sure Kevin! I bet your in cahoots with William;-) HAHAHAHA jlc -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging That's a bargain.. -- Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE CKST -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging I charge $150/hour. -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Well, the problem I foresee currently is that when I moved the files prior to this incident the space got used up very quickly. So I have no space to move those logs files back onto the drive when we implement the Exchange Agent for them. Now I can move some more logfiles but then there will be more log files moved and probably no space to accommodate them later. These logs files date back from 6/10/01. Can I compress say 6/10/01 to 10/30/01 to gain some space? If so, can I move the previously moved files back to the Exchange partition when I get the agent and not have problems when that backup is finally run? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Yes, that is correct. Run setup, select the admin portion only and NTBackup is replaced with an Exchange-aware version. Heck, in Paul's case, he could download a demo of W2K server, throw it on a P133, install exchange5.5 admin, run NTBackup over the wire to disk in a pinch. Otherwise, whoever is handling this installation should be replaced. Just my thoughts. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Correct me if I am wrong, that when you install ExAdmin, it makes Ntbackup Exchange-aware ? Sorry, William , I have (unfort.) never used Ntbackup for Exchange backups (always inherited environments) -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 19:48 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging No. NTBackup on W2K only will backup to file. Also, you can install Exchange admin on another box other than the exchange server to perform this. William -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging Can NTBackup on NT 4.0 back up to a file? The system doesn't have a drive to backup to so NTBackup wont work! -Original Message- From: Sanborn, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Circular Logging NTBackup (free with the O/S) would work just fine. You could even write up a little bat file to automate it, to a point. John -Original Message- From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Circular Logging Importance: High Hello All, I have a question about a current situation that a client of mine is in. They have an Exchange 5.5 SP2 server which has run out of space! They originally had a tape drive installed on the server and was using Backup Exec with the Exchange agent. they had circular logging enabled but it wasn't a problem because they were backing up every night a the logs were cleared. Now they recently implemented another server and had ArcServe installed on it. They didn't want to maintain two backup apps so they uninstalled BbackupEXec from the Exchange serve and maintained the ArcServe. The ArcServe doesn't have an Exchange agent installed so there is no current backup of that server except for any files on it. I recommended that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. AnyHoo, a couple of months ago they ran out of space and they called me. I found out that it was due to not having a recent backup of Exchange and the logs had taken all available space. At this time, backupexec was still installed so I performed a backup and the space was cleared and the server was able to be started again. Now last week they have come across the same exact issue again and the tape drive has been removed and BackupExec uninstalled. So all I could do was move some of the log files to another server and again recommend that they get the ArcServe Exchange Agent. now, they recently got hit with Goner and there back to the space issue again. They have finally approved the Exchange agent but we are waiting for it to be delivered. So right now, the server is down because Exchange wont start due to lack of drive space. I cannot move the log files anymore because the prior relocation took up the space on another volume. I am thinking of disabling circular logging to let the logs files not take up the space they are currently using. Is this a wise move? What other options do I have. Any immediate answers would be greatly appreciated! TIA!!! List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
