RE: eseutil /p
At this point - I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible ... I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didn't auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didn't run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 db's in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the db's is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg -fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out ... Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: eseutil /p
Yes, I have been arguing with them that their DBs need to be smaller and to implement archiving. I hate to be the I told you so and use these as lessons but hopefully the urgency will be understood now. I agree, I will split these up as soon as this is done. There really wasnt a lot of thought put into this structure when they started with 40 users and now are nearing 800 employees. Thanks for the tip MBS Just curious once I have the edb in clean shutdown and showing no logfiles needed or requested whats the chance they come online? I know there will be some data loss im just hoping its fairly contained to the actual problem which was maybe 50-100 emails when the db went offline. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p At this point I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didnt auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didnt run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 dbs in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the dbs is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: eseutil /p
You can't ignore the fact that you are operating in multiple-databases-per-SG mode. In that case, the fact that an individual DB is clean shutdown is pretty much irrelevant. You need to have all DBs in that SG in clean shutdown. Once you are in one-DB-per-SG (or at Exchange 2010 which requires that), life is much easier. You can't (without breaking stuff) bifurcate log files when you have multiple-DBs-per-SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Yes, I have been arguing with them that their DB's need to be smaller and to implement archiving. I hate to be the I told you so and use these as 'lessons' but hopefully the urgency will be understood now. I agree, I will split these up as soon as this is done. There really wasn't a lot of thought put into this structure when they started with 40 users and now are nearing 800 employees. Thanks for the tip MBS Just curious once I have the edb in clean shutdown and showing no logfiles needed or requested whats the chance they come online? I know there will be some data loss im just hoping its fairly contained to the actual problem which was maybe 50-100 emails when the db went offline. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p At this point - I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible ... I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didn't auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didn't run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 db's in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the db's is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg -fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out ... Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: eseutil /p
Ok, but would now since I have no logfiles be the time to do that? Once I get everything up I suppose I could just as easily shutdown and dismount the store and create new SGs From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p You cant ignore the fact that you are operating in multiple-databases-per-SG mode. In that case, the fact that an individual DB is clean shutdown is pretty much irrelevant. You need to have all DBs in that SG in clean shutdown. Once you are in one-DB-per-SG (or at Exchange 2010 which requires that), life is much easier. You cant (without breaking stuff) bifurcate log files when you have multiple-DBs-per-SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Yes, I have been arguing with them that their DBs need to be smaller and to implement archiving. I hate to be the I told you so and use these as lessons but hopefully the urgency will be understood now. I agree, I will split these up as soon as this is done. There really wasnt a lot of thought put into this structure when they started with 40 users and now are nearing 800 employees. Thanks for the tip MBS Just curious once I have the edb in clean shutdown and showing no logfiles needed or requested whats the chance they come online? I know there will be some data loss im just hoping its fairly contained to the actual problem which was maybe 50-100 emails when the db went offline. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p At this point I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didnt auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didnt run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 dbs in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the dbs is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: eseutil /p
Not until everything in an SG can mount clean. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Ok, but would now since I have no logfiles be the time to do that? Once I get everything up I suppose I could just as easily shutdown and dismount the store and create new SGs From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p You can't ignore the fact that you are operating in multiple-databases-per-SG mode. In that case, the fact that an individual DB is clean shutdown is pretty much irrelevant. You need to have all DBs in that SG in clean shutdown. Once you are in one-DB-per-SG (or at Exchange 2010 which requires that), life is much easier. You can't (without breaking stuff) bifurcate log files when you have multiple-DBs-per-SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Yes, I have been arguing with them that their DB's need to be smaller and to implement archiving. I hate to be the I told you so and use these as 'lessons' but hopefully the urgency will be understood now. I agree, I will split these up as soon as this is done. There really wasn't a lot of thought put into this structure when they started with 40 users and now are nearing 800 employees. Thanks for the tip MBS Just curious once I have the edb in clean shutdown and showing no logfiles needed or requested whats the chance they come online? I know there will be some data loss im just hoping its fairly contained to the actual problem which was maybe 50-100 emails when the db went offline. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p At this point - I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible ... I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didn't auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didn't run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 db's in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the db's is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg -fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out ... Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click
RE: eseutil /p
Sorry yes I meant once these are all done I am going to put them all in their own SG since its all down anyway. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Not until everything in an SG can mount clean. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Ok, but would now since I have no logfiles be the time to do that? Once I get everything up I suppose I could just as easily shutdown and dismount the store and create new SGs From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p You cant ignore the fact that you are operating in multiple-databases-per-SG mode. In that case, the fact that an individual DB is clean shutdown is pretty much irrelevant. You need to have all DBs in that SG in clean shutdown. Once you are in one-DB-per-SG (or at Exchange 2010 which requires that), life is much easier. You cant (without breaking stuff) bifurcate log files when you have multiple-DBs-per-SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p Yes, I have been arguing with them that their DBs need to be smaller and to implement archiving. I hate to be the I told you so and use these as lessons but hopefully the urgency will be understood now. I agree, I will split these up as soon as this is done. There really wasnt a lot of thought put into this structure when they started with 40 users and now are nearing 800 employees. Thanks for the tip MBS Just curious once I have the edb in clean shutdown and showing no logfiles needed or requested whats the chance they come online? I know there will be some data loss im just hoping its fairly contained to the actual problem which was maybe 50-100 emails when the db went offline. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: eseutil /p At this point I think you need to wait it out. You see now why it is best to have one DB per SG. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Lists - Level5 [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: eseutil /p So long story, as short as possible I have exchange 2007 running on an EQL san for the datastores and logs. We have 2 Stores with 2 DBs in each and 1 PF. The EQL san didnt auto-resize and with about 150GB left it went offline with an error dropping the connection. We manually expanded the drive and the system came back with 600GB available. Now the hard part, the BU didnt run over the weekend and was rescheduled to run Monday evening (about 6 hours before this occurred). Apparently the past few days was a vss snapshot error, so Im stuck trying to revive what I have before rolling back 2 weeks. I have corrupted log files and 2 dbs in the second storage group are dirty shutdown. When I mount them I get errors that logfiles are corrupt and tried rolling those back and then ended up with invalid timestamps on the logs. We decided to get it to clean by running eseutil /p and after having ½ the company down for a 1.5 days one of the dbs is done , and the other is still going (dbs are 120gb and 310gb). I wanted to just mount the finished db one time and then run the isinteg fix but when I do it hangs for a minute and then errors that I cannot start due to the other database is in use (event logs showed its trying to touch the other DB still in repair and errors out). Now the question is we would like to get this online , its dismounted would it hurt anything to drop it from storage group 2, and re-mount it in storage group 1 for the sake of getting it back online or could that cause more grief than its worth and just wait it out Thanks --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message I like to run it every Monday morning just to piss off my users for the day. --Kevinm TSSSBE, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Deja Vu :) Regards Ruan Kotze MCSE, Master ASE For: Comparex Namibia -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Regular offline defrags: definitive answer I guess Ed is not busy enough these days, so he took time to answer very difinitively why regular offline defrags with eseutil is totally unnecessary with Exchange. It is fairly thorough, a good read, and what we have seen posted here before: -Original Message- From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] First in looking at the arguments, it helps to understand what you are arguing. Somewhat as stated, your team is right defragmentation should be done on a regular basis. It reduces the number of extensions on messages, but more importantly makes it faster and easier to find free space to store the messages. Exchange's database is just like any current art database. It's a transaction oriented, journal led write database. Nothing really spectacular about it, regular database maintenance is all that is really needed. So you can easily go to a DBA and get suggestions on how to best care for a database. In most large database products, take SQL for example, as you create a database, you give it an initial size and then specify if the database is extensible or not and if so, how big is an extension. A common default that I use is 50MB for the initial size and 5MB extensions. Then on a regular basis, the database should be defragmented, and then, once in a blue moon you might want to reload the database, although it's not often done anymore. That's the same with Exchange, you want to defragment the database regularly and then reload it on a extremely rare, probably never basis. Sounds good? Install Exchange 5.5 and let it do it's thing and that's what you've got. Nightly, the system makes two runs through each database to defragment it. It also runs through each page of the database to make sure that the checksum is correct as you perform a backup. And I believe that another process goes through and validate the structure periodically. So why run eseutil/d? Well, when I was talking about databases growing, noticed I never said shrinking. SQL doesn't shrink a database, neither does Exchange. Biggest reason is because there really isn't a need for it in most cases. How many people hear of their total storage decreasing? It's usually at least a 5-10% a year increase. But, there are situations where indeed your database could decrease dramatically. That would be if you put a new storage policy into effect, although with the dumpster it could be a few weeks before the messages are actually deleted and SIS can also impact it. Or if you've added a new server and moved users to it. There are a variety of reasons why you would have gained a lot of white space in your database. The question that you need to ask yourself is are you going to use it again? If you've deleted some users or objects and you've created 1-% additional white space, just how long do you expect it to be before the space fills back up? If it's a few months, don't worry about it. I tend to make a few GB or 10% of the total store, whichever is higher, the number at which I even start thinking about repacking. I saw last night that I've got 50MB of white space in one of my DBs. It's not even on the radar screen to be compacted. If I had 5GB of white space on a 50GB database, then I might start looking for a window to compact it. But remember that it's going to take a few hours of downtime to do it. Eseutil /d is really a misnomer, a hangover from earlier days. For Exchange 5.5 and later, it really should be eseutil /c or compact While it does an applied defragmentation, the database is seldom fragmented, because it is defragmented twice every evening. Oh, and if you do compactions on a regular basis to the same disk, you are probably going to get some ugly NTFS fragmentation. (And yes Daniel, if you compact your database, the system is going to take extra overhead to have to expand the database. And compared to writing a single object, I suspect that it's a rather lengthy process. Okay, it's probably a hundredth of a second, but when you compare it to ill-advised behavior like compacting regularly, at least it make sense) But the real reason why not to do it is like everyone has said, there is nothing to be gained, and a lot to be lost. It is NOT REQUIRED and NOT SUGGESTED to obtain 99.999% uptime. Matter of fact, doing it brings you down to about 99.5% uptime, just taking 4 hours per month. As to making an Exchange Server reach 100% uptime, the equation is pretty simple Keep the Hands Off! (This assume nightly full backups and verification that the backup ran --VERY important!) -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL What is the
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message Seriously? This server has been up for 4 years, and I am pretty sure it has never been run. Does it fragment like a normal hard drive on a workstation or server would, which needs regular maintenance? Exch 5.5 SP4 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message it gets regular maintance.. it is a database. --Kevinm TSSSBE, M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyondhttp://www.daughtry.ca/ For Graphics and WebDesign, GO here! -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:52 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Seriously? This server has been up for 4 years, and I am pretty sure it has never been run. Does it fragment like a normal hard drive on a workstation or server would, which needs regular maintenance? Exch 5.5 SP4 -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:38 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: RE: ESEUTIL I had a feeling this had come up before. I appreciate the note. I was misinformed, then, that the ONLINE defrag was not enough. That the online defrag was OK, but an offline ESEUTIL was necessary routinely. -Original Message- From: Ruan Kotze - CPX NAM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:48 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Deja Vu :) Regards Ruan Kotze MCSE, Master ASE For: Comparex Namibia -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:51 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Regular offline defrags: definitive answer I guess Ed is not busy enough these days, so he took time to answer very difinitively why regular offline defrags with eseutil is totally unnecessary with Exchange. It is fairly thorough, a good read, and what we have seen posted here before: -Original Message- From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] First in looking at the arguments, it helps to understand what you are arguing. Somewhat as stated, your team is right defragmentation should be done on a regular basis. It reduces the number of extensions on messages, but more importantly makes it faster and easier to find free space to store the messages. Exchange's database is just like any current art database. It's a transaction oriented, journal led write database. Nothing really spectacular about it, regular database maintenance is all that is really needed. So you can easily go to a DBA and get suggestions on how to best care for a database. In most large database products, take SQL for example, as you create a database, you give it an initial size and then specify if the database is extensible or not and if so, how big is an extension. A common default that I use is 50MB for the initial size and 5MB extensions. Then on a regular basis, the database should be defragmented, and then, once in a blue moon you might want to reload the database, although it's not often done anymore. That's the same with Exchange, you want to defragment the database regularly and then reload it on a extremely rare, probably never basis. Sounds good? Install Exchange 5.5 and let it do it's thing and that's what you've got. Nightly, the system makes two runs through each database to defragment it. It also runs through each page of the database to make sure that the checksum is correct as you perform a backup. And I believe that another process goes through and validate the structure periodically. So why run eseutil/d? Well, when I was talking about databases growing, noticed I never said shrinking. SQL doesn't shrink a database, neither does Exchange. Biggest reason is because there really isn't a need for it in most cases. How many people hear of their total storage decreasing? It's usually at least a 5-10% a year increase. But, there are situations where indeed your database could decrease dramatically. That would be if you put a new storage policy into effect, although with the dumpster it could be a few weeks before the messages are actually deleted and SIS can also impact it. Or if you've added a new server and moved users to it. There are a variety of reasons why you would have gained a lot of white space in your database. The question that you need to ask yourself is are you going to use it again? If you've deleted some users or objects and you've created 1-% additional white space, just how long do you expect it to be before the space fills back up? If it's a few months, don't worry about it. I tend to make a few GB or 10% of the total store, whichever is higher, the number at which I even start thinking about repacking. I saw last night that I've got 50MB of white space in one of my DBs. It's not even on the radar screen to be compacted. If I had 5GB of white space on a 50GB database, then I might start looking for a window to compact it. But remember that it's going to take a few hours of downtime to do it. Eseutil /d is really a misnomer, a hangover from earlier days. For Exchange 5.5 and later, it really should be eseutil /c or compact While it does an applied defragmentation, the database is seldom fragmented, because it is defragmented twice every evening. Oh, and if you do compactions on a regular basis to the same disk, you are probably going to get some ugly NTFS fragmentation. (And yes Daniel, if you compact your database, the system is going to take extra overhead to have to expand the database. And compared to writing a single object, I suspect that it's a rather lengthy process. Okay, it's probably a hundredth of a second, but when you compare it to ill-advised behavior like compacting regularly, at least it make sense) But the real reason why not to do it is like everyone has said, there is nothing to be gained, and a lot to be lost. It is NOT REQUIRED and NOT SUGGESTED to obtain 99.999% uptime. Matter of fact, doing it brings you down to about 99.5% uptime
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message Yes, seriously! Leave it up for another 4 years without running it too. It runs its own online defrag every night. That is more than plenty. Look for Event ID 1221 to find out how much white space is created each night. Oh, I forgot... Only if you've migrated mass amounts of mailboxes off of the server? -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:52 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Seriously? This server has been up for 4 years, and I am pretty sure it has never been run. Does it fragment like a normal hard drive on a workstation or server would, which needs regular maintenance? Exch 5.5 SP4 -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:38 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message DB Maintenance and a defrag run automatically every night (check your logs for Event 1221). Any whitespace recovered from either the auto defrag or running ESEUTIL will be used again very shortly through normal server use. The space recovered (which again will get used again) do *not* balance the out downtime required to run the tool, and the potential to seriously corrupt your Store. -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:52 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Seriously? This server has been up for 4 years, and I am pretty sure it has never been run. Does it fragment like a normal hard drive on a workstation or server would, which needs regular maintenance? Exch 5.5 SP4 -Original Message-From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:38 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: ESEUTIL Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message-From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: ESEUTIL
New around here, huh? Never. - Original Message - From: Matthew Carpenter To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Title: Message Thanks all. I am glad I didn't run it then -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Yes, seriously! Leave it up for another 4 years without running it too. It runs its own online defrag every night. That is more than plenty. Look for Event ID 1221 to find out how much white space is created each night. Oh, I forgot... Only if you've migrated mass amounts of mailboxes off of the server? -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Seriously? This server has been up for 4 years, and I am pretty sure it has never been run. Does it fragment like a normal hard drive on a workstation or server would, which needs regular maintenance? Exch 5.5 SP4 -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Only when necessary? Only during DR procedures? Only under direction of PSS? Only if you're encountering the 16GB DB limit in the Standard version? -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Cool. Priv has 1.2 GB of free space. Pub has 56 MB. I never looked closely at those defrag Ids. Thanks again -Original Message- From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESEUTIL New around here, huh? Never. - Original Message - From: Matthew Carpenter To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: ESEUTIL What is the recommended calendar for using this defrag tool? Once a month? Twice a year? Once a decade? List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
Title: RE: ESEUTIL Question Yikes@ Defragging to a network drive.. When it is done, the cursor should return to a normal status, showing x seconds it took to do the defrag. Then you can start the IS -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Thank you Mike, I appreciate the info. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
Title: RE: ESEUTIL Question Nick, You will return to a normal command prompt. How big is your store? If at all possible don't defrag to a net drive. Brian -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
My Store was 3.4 GB, I looked at the size of the Temp File, and it said 2.75 GB. I had to place the temp file an a network drive, because I didn't have the space on my Exchange Server. i was going to move the IS over to the other Server and run the defrag there, and then move it back, but someone suggested to send the Temp file to the other Server instead. The Defrag took a little over 2 hours to complete, how long does this last part take. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
Title: RE: ESEUTIL Question It all depends on yuor network speed -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Question My Store was 3.4 GB, I looked at the size of the Temp File, and it said 2.75 GB. I had to place the temp file an a network drive, because I didn't have the space on my Exchange Server. i was going to move the IS over to the other Server and run the defrag there, and then move it back, but someone suggested to send the Temp file to the other Server instead. The Defrag took a little over 2 hours to complete, how long does this last part take. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
Title: RE: ESEUTIL Question Youre copying almost 3 GB over a LAN.. It may take a while, depending on your LAN speeds. The server then has to put it in place, and remove the old priv.edb and patch the temp db. -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Question My Store was 3.4 GB, I looked at the size of the Temp File, and it said 2.75 GB. I had to place the temp file an a network drive, because I didn't have the space on my Exchange Server. i was going to move the IS over to the other Server and run the defrag there, and then move it back, but someone suggested to send the Temp file to the other Server instead. The Defrag took a little over 2 hours to complete, how long does this last part take. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
I am running Exchange 5.5 on NT server. What OS ? What version of Exchange ? -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 08:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
My first question is why do you think that an offline defrag is necessary? -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:54 AM Posted To: Exchange Sunbelt Conversation: ESEUTIL Question Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
*looks up at the sky filling with fire and brimstone* Heheheh... ok who wants to take this one -Original Message- From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:53 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Question My first question is why do you think that an offline defrag is necessary? -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Monday, March 18, 2002 8:54 AM Posted To: Exchange Sunbelt Conversation: ESEUTIL Question Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL Question
What service packs ? -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 09:29 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Question I am running Exchange 5.5 on NT server. What OS ? What version of Exchange ? -Original Message- From: Nick Symiakakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 08:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Question Hi Everyone, Well I am currently in the process of running an Off-Line Defrag, and This is the first time that I have run this utility. Can someone tell me what am I supposed to see on the screen, once the Defrag reaches 100%? My cursor is sitting there blinking at the bottom of the command window. I am assuming because I had to send the Temp file to a network drive, that the file is possibly being copied back to the Exchange Server. If someone can recall the sequence of events during the eseutil process, and what displays on the screen to let me know when it is complete so I can fire up the IS services, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Nick Symiakakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
Just an update here for those who may have to run it. It took 14 hours for a single 19.5GB (was compacted to 17.5GB) mailbox store with the hardware below. PSS actually told me to expect somewhere between 5-7GB per hour so they were way off. Just an FYI. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
That pss guy was on crack with that number. That time looks to be very consistent with everything I have seen. Glad it all went well. Eseutil on a defrag writes a temp database, beats it up, then writes it all back to the original priv. Which means in your environment you had to move at least 40 gigs of data IO wise, and process things. Milton R Dogg Of The Dogg Foundation.. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Just an update here for those who may have to run it. It took 14 hours for a single 19.5GB (was compacted to 17.5GB) mailbox store with the hardware below. PSS actually told me to expect somewhere between 5-7GB per hour so they were way off. Just an FYI. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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eseutil /? or http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q182903 or http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192185 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q244525) (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q183888) (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q255035) or ((http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/support/edrv3p1.asp and)) http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/support/edrv3p2.asp (detailed information) or http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/maintain/optimize/edbw p.asp or For more information about ESEUTIL, see the Eseutil.rtf document on the Exchange 5.5 compact disc in the Support\utils directory. Ricki -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gérard Dumazet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Februar 2002 07:35 An: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Betreff: RE : Eseutil Questions I have also to clean my databases and run eseutil can you point me on a whitepaper how exactly to do it thanks -Message d'origine- De : Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 22 février 2002 16:55 À : MS-Exchange Admin Issues Objet : RE: Eseutil Questions Thanks for the info. I haven't done one of these either in about 3 years and wouldn't be doing it if PSS had not requested it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ ifrance.com
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Great links, thanks ! -Original Message- From: Rickenbacher Beat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 20:26 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: AW: RE : Eseutil Questions eseutil /? or http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q182903 or http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q192185 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q244525) (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q183888) (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q255035) or ((http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/support/edrv3p1. asp and)) http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/support/edrv3p2.as p (detailed information) or http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/maintain/optimize/ edbw p.asp or For more information about ESEUTIL, see the Eseutil.rtf document on the Exchange 5.5 compact disc in the Support\utils directory. Ricki -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gérard Dumazet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Februar 2002 07:35 An: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Betreff: RE : Eseutil Questions I have also to clean my databases and run eseutil can you point me on a whitepaper how exactly to do it thanks -Message d'origine- De : Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 22 février 2002 16:55 À : MS-Exchange Admin Issues Objet : RE: Eseutil Questions Thanks for the info. I haven't done one of these either in about 3 years and wouldn't be doing it if PSS had not requested it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky
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25-45 minutes per gig has been my experience. On that hardware with 50/50 IO cache on the RAID, best guess would be 32 minutes. The biggest factor being disk IO. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
Very smart man... --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Thanks for the info. I haven't done one of these either in about 3 years and wouldn't be doing it if PSS had not requested it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
Thanks for the info. I haven't done one of these either in about 3 years and wouldn't be doing it if PSS had not requested it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil Questions
The last eseutil I was forced into running did a 1.5 Gb edb in less than 30 minutes. PE2400, RAID, PIII-500 with 512Mb. I left for coffee and junk food and it was done when I got back. YMMV John Weber Consultant Centerlogic 503-262-0490 x203 -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 07:19 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE : Eseutil Questions
I have also to clean my databases and run eseutil can you point me on a whitepaper how exactly to do it thanks -Message d'origine- De : Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 22 février 2002 16:55 À : MS-Exchange Admin Issues Objet : RE: Eseutil Questions Thanks for the info. I haven't done one of these either in about 3 years and wouldn't be doing it if PSS had not requested it. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions They take for ever when you have a big store. I like to time them and play with the numbers. Boredom will lead to odd things. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions When I said quoted, that's what I meant! I read those figures somewhere (they were from Microsoft) but I do admit in reality they'd probably be a bit lower. To be honest, I've not done an offline defrag often enough to remember how long it took me; I really don't do them often at all... Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:19 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions Now that's fast what was you running that on for hardware? I would be not raid. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Did I just say that out loud? -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Questions I've seen quoted speeds of 4-6Gb per hour, but it really depends on how much data within the database is used, not necessarily the actual physical size of the edb file, as well as the spec of the machine running it. Neil Hobson Silversands http://www.silversands.co.uk Microsoft Gold Certified Partner For Enterprise Systems For Collaborative Solutions -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 22 February 2002 15:04 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: Eseutil Questions Subject: Eseutil Questions In diagnosing an issue on my Exchange server PSS has suggested I run eseutil /d on my stores. Does anyone have any idea of how long this whole process might take, assuming all goes well, given the following info (just trying to plan my weekend): 2 mailbox stores total 6 storage groups total ~300 mailboxes total ~30GB total edb size ~20GB is largest single edb Server is Proliant 6000 with three PII 450Mhz XEON 1MB cache processors and 4GB RAM Thanks in advance. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs
What I did before was, I'll transfer their mail to their personal folder, than use eseutil.exe to defrag. -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 January 2002 03:31 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have another drive we have added for the defrag and we need to defrag the database because there is only 300mb of free space on the database drive and to expand the disk, we need to move the database of the disk and expand them move it back. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs
I have another experience with fragmentation. After half a year of running E2k (before that we used sendmail) with mostly POP3 clients, our database reached 35 GB. I never run offline gefrag at that time, but every week online defrag was done. Because we had another problem, all the mailboxes were moved to the different server. Now is database size 4 GB Is this O.K.? Rastislav Maniak Exchange admin ICT Prague -Original Message- From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs
That's a rather ignorant solution... D -Original Message- From: Ben Ong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs What I did before was, I'll transfer their mail to their personal folder, than use eseutil.exe to defrag. -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 January 2002 03:31 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have another drive we have added for the defrag and we need to defrag the database because there is only 300mb of free space on the database drive and to expand the disk, we need to move the database of the disk and expand them move it back. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs
Judging by your 60GB DB, you need at least twice that in disk space to run ESEUTIL. That means, to run ESEUTIL at all, you need at least 120GB and I would say a little more to be safe for it to run. D -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs
We have another drive we have added for the defrag and we need to defrag the database because there is only 300mb of free space on the database drive and to expand the disk, we need to move the database of the disk and expand them move it back. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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You still didn't mention whether the drive you added has at least 60gb of free space. Assuming it does, what is stopping you from simply running the Performance optimizer to move the databases off the current drive, then expand the drive, then move them back by running Optimizer again? You do realize that running the defrag will likely take 12+ hours just by itself, during which time your server will be offline? Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have another drive we have added for the defrag and we need to defrag the database because there is only 300mb of free space on the database drive and to expand the disk, we need to move the database of the disk and expand them move it back. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Here is a snippet from Q272234 that tells you about offline defragmentation. Generally, however, avoid offline defragmentation because it is an expensive procedure. When offline defragmentation runs, it creates a new database file and then copies all the data in the old file to the new file, which can take a long time. On average, it takes about one hour to defragment 5 to 10 GB of disk space. Also, you need enough free space for the offline defragmentation process to hold the new file. As a general rule, you should have 100 percent more free space than the amount you are defragmenting. So the question then begs whether you have the free space to even perform the defrag. May I also ask why you feel that it is so completely necessary to defragment your database? Is there a problem with the server? Is it not running smoothly? Are you anticipating that it will never grow larger? Basically, all you are doing with eseutil is reclaiming the white space. That is it. White space simply explained is just space in the database that is not currently being used, but will be used as the database grows. Since the space has already been reserved, your server does not have to work nearly as hard to procure more space and increase the size of the database. Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Please explain, time window? -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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How long is your time window? Dependent on the I/O capabilities of your system, it could take a few days to compress a 60GB store. You can roughly judge the speed by looking at the size of the temp DB during the process. It will slowly grow to about 47GB before it completes. 60GB isn't something to toy with. At absolute fastest transfer speeds, a 60GB file would take about 2 hours to transfer across a 100MB network link. Your internal I/O might be a little faster, but not by a whole lot. And by the way, your database should be defragmented every evening. Two runs for each database. What you are attempting to do is to compress the database by creating a copy with no whitespace in it. Ed Woodrick -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM Posted To: Exchange Sunbelt Conversation: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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How long management will allow the server to be unavailable before they freak out. -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs Please explain, time window? -Original Message- From: James Chris L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL DEFRAGS LIMITATIONs We have an on going problem in our company, our Exchange database exceed 60gb on some of our servers. One of these databases has 13gb of free space in it. We have tried to defrag this database multiple times and have failed to complete in the time window every time. Does anyone know what if any the limitations of the ESEUTIL are for Exchange 5.5? Has anyone ever done this before? Is there any other third party tools that can be used to defrag our database? What would you recommend? Chris List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Same publisher? :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 18:49 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: RE: ESEUTIL There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject Wanna do a book together? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Same errors? ;-) -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 December 2001 08:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same publisher? :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 18:49 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: RE: ESEUTIL There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject Wanna do a book together? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Hey! William -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same errors? ;-) -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 21 December 2001 08:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same publisher? :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 18:49 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: RE: ESEUTIL There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject Wanna do a book together? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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No. William -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same publisher? :-) Neil -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 18:49 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: RE: ESEUTIL There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject Wanna do a book together? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Dont do it... You really dont want to spend the holidays recovering from a corrupted database [1], or for that matter bothering to recover white space that will just be used again [2]. The server is running well and will continue to do so with out you touching it. Go home and spend the time with Friends and Family [7] [1] something that can be caused by running Eseutil [2] The opinion of the upper level exchange admins [3] [3] There is about 2 good reasons to run a defrag of the Priv [4][5] [4] Hi Guiseppe Pinarello! [5] Non of those reasons involve maintance [7] That is what the holidays are for and how time is best spent [8] [8] With those that you love.. -- Dr. Milton R. Dogg Of the Dogg Foundation -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Title: RE: ESEUTIL He he he, this is one of those topics that should come with a warning label in this list. Bring it up at your own risk. Jez, expect to be resoundly flamed for even thinking of running eseutil by most on this list. Personally, I run it on a monthly basis during a regularly scheduled network maintenance down time and have never had a problem with it on an exch 5.5 server. If you feel that you need to do it, I would most certainly not run it unattended in the event something does go wrong, so this might not be a good time to do this unless you want to spend some time in the office over your holiday weekend. Hope you enjoy the responses you will get. Sherry -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Oh lord... I can see the hellfire and brimstone in the dark clouds forming above already... hehehehe I'll save my finger muscles and let some of the other people warn you against this. -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Is this a setup? Why are you considering running eseutil? What benefit doth thou seek this blessed holiday season? Overtime pay? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER run Eseutil unless PSS tells you to. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it. -Jim Jim Holmgren MCSE, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Engineer Advertising.com We bring innovation to interactive communication. Advertising.com -- Superior Technology. Superior Performance. -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm *** The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Don't. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
It's gotta be a setup. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Oh lord... I can see the hellfire and brimstone in the dark clouds forming above already... hehehehe I'll save my finger muscles and let some of the other people warn you against this. -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:01 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
You mispelled 'persecution'. William -Original Message- From: Boswell Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL I've been here about 3 months, and when I sort by topic, ESEUTIL has 100 entries (101 with this. A few classic quotes: - eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. - Have a look at eseutil /? (which in my opinion is the only switch you should be running eseutil with). - Only use it if you are directed to by PSS - It is run regularly only by misinformed admins that...consider their email content and server non-critical - Not to use! - DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS - I have only used it once in my career, and that was for fun on a box I was about to retire - I will absolutely, positively guarantee you that the process you are performing is not giving you an advantage and actually has a high probability of causing you problems The prosecution rests. -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 December 2001 16:01 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ESEUTIL
There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject Wanna do a book together? William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ --- Why just ride, when you can fly? http://www.airborne.net --- Rent this space: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESEUTIL Same logic applies to eseutil on Exchange 5.5: don't bother unless you have a problem (and are under the guidance of PSS or other suitable consultancy) or you've moved a ton of mailboxes off of the server and really need the space. There's enough info in these (and other) archives to fill a book on this subject, but as I said, in short, don't. Neil -Original Message- From: Jeramy Eling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 20 December 2001 16:01 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: ESEUTIL Subject: ESEUTIL Hi, This is probably a really dumb question but what are your recommendations for running the ESEUTIL utility on Exchange 2000 systems. With Christmas coming up it seems like the perfect time to run it, and do a Defrag on the DB's Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jez. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands, or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this email in error, please contact our Support Desk immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message nope...85meg -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 17:13To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil So the HD was what? 8GB? -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:44 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I tried and ran out of disk space. That was in 1998. -Original Message-From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Lets test that that theory. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil 16GB for standard. 16TB (theoretical) for Enterprise. William -Original Message-From: Howie Pince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:50 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil What is the Exchange 5.5 IS limit? 12 GBor 14? Thanks, Howie Howie Pince Network Administrator A+, MCSE 2000 Higher Dimension Research Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 651-256-1987 www.superfabric.com List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message and where does the xx TB PST fit ;) ? -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 13:16To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil 16GB for standard. 16TB (theoretical) for Enterprise. William -Original Message-From: Howie Pince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:50 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil What is the Exchange 5.5 IS limit? 12 GBor 14? Thanks, Howie Howie Pince Network Administrator A+, MCSE 2000 Higher Dimension Research Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 651-256-1987 www.superfabric.com List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
What is wrong with a 1.9GB mailbox? Why are you rehashing old threads? Do you have a name, or shall we assign you one? William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/3/01 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Most the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking about. DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what you are doing and have a very good backup. The best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. The longer a server is up the better. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance and should only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support. On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Nicknames are Sparky, Speed Bump, others too 1.9gig mailboxs are cool with OST files Old threads...sorry if it was a couple days late...Been doing a 8k user domain migration... -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 20:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil What is wrong with a 1.9GB mailbox? Why are you rehashing old threads? Do you have a name, or shall we assign you one? William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/3/01 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Most the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking about. DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what you are doing and have a very good backup. The best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. The longer a server is up the better. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance and should only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support. On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
He is getting at who are you? DP can mean many things. We like to have names. We already have a sparky, speed bump does not sounds good. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: dp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil 8000 users domain migration What ya trying to get at? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 21:07 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil If your words are not worthy of your own name, how can you expect them to be worthy of anyone's time? 8k? That's a pretty small user... William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/4/01 6:08 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Nicknames are Sparky, Speed Bump, others too 1.9gig mailboxs are cool with OST files Old threads...sorry if it was a couple days late...Been doing a 8k user domain migration... -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 20:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil What is wrong with a 1.9GB mailbox? Why are you rehashing old threads? Do you have a name, or shall we assign you one? William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/3/01 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
David precht hailing from just west of beantown -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 21:22 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil He is getting at who are you? DP can mean many things. We like to have names. We already have a sparky, speed bump does not sounds good. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: dp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil 8000 users domain migration What ya trying to get at? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 21:07 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil If your words are not worthy of your own name, how can you expect them to be worthy of anyone's time? 8k? That's a pretty small user... William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/4/01 6:08 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Nicknames are Sparky, Speed Bump, others too 1.9gig mailboxs are cool with OST files Old threads...sorry if it was a couple days late...Been doing a 8k user domain migration... -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 20:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil What is wrong with a 1.9GB mailbox? Why are you rehashing old threads? Do you have a name, or shall we assign you one? William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/3/01 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
That was my Guess : Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: dp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil David precht hailing from just west of beantown -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 21:22 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil He is getting at who are you? DP can mean many things. We like to have names. We already have a sparky, speed bump does not sounds good. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: dp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 6:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil 8000 users domain migration What ya trying to get at? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 21:07 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil If your words are not worthy of your own name, how can you expect them to be worthy of anyone's time? 8k? That's a pretty small user... William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/4/01 6:08 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Nicknames are Sparky, Speed Bump, others too 1.9gig mailboxs are cool with OST files Old threads...sorry if it was a couple days late...Been doing a 8k user domain migration... -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 20:59 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil What is wrong with a 1.9GB mailbox? Why are you rehashing old threads? Do you have a name, or shall we assign you one? William -Original Message- From: dp To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 11/3/01 9:21 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Hot fixes, make sure no one is running a 1.9 gig Mailbox -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:05 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil MessageIMHO, this statement is wrong: The best maintance [sic] for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. There is a lot more to maintaining Exchange than applying service packs. You should also regularly review your event logs (daily, if not more frequently). There are some good tools out there that can automate this for you. You should also regularly collect and monitor performance data. You also need to watch mail queues for build-up, verify that your Exchange-aware antivirus software is working and keeping up-to-date, monitor disk space, and perform a whole other slew of tasks that combine to form your Exchange maintenance practices. Don't think for a minute that applying service packs is all you need to do to keep your servers up longer. There are lots of other factors that affect uptime and availability and they should not be overlooked. My $.02. -Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Miller To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:24 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Most the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking about. DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what you are doing and have a very good backup. The best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done. The longer a server is up the better. Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, CKWSE -Original Message- From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance and should only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support. On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message- From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Wow. What's with all the superstarson the list? This is great. Welcome back! -Original Message-From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:49 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Sherry, You aren't going to win this one. If you were to NEVER run eseutil again, you would have just as much space used on your server. The 16GB limit has nothing to do with it. The DEFRAG process DOES NOT RECOVER SPACE! Defrag ONLY takes messages that are interspersed across the database and moves them to the front of the database. eseutil will COMPACT a database. But it doesn't recover any space. It actually reduces the space in the database. The procedure that you are performing WILL REDUCE THE PERFORMANCE of your server. It WILL NOT GAIN SPACE!!! Look at the database as a bucket. All day long you put in cubes and remove cubes of various sizes. As you do this, the number of holes increases. If these holes are relatively small, you can't stick a big cube in it's place and the space becomes useless except for really small cubes. Every night, Exchange goes through the bucket and reorganizes the cubes, not only once, but twice. So by morning, the cubes are packed really tight and there are no holes between the cubes. Therefore all of the unusable space has been recovered. Exchange recovers the unusable space every evening, twice. All you are doing is shrinking the bucket every night. Once you shrink the bucket, you have to work hard to expand it. EVERY message that comes into your server during the day forces your bucket to increase in size, resulting in a performance penalty. I will absolutely, positively guarantee you that the process you are performing is not giving you an advantage and actually has a high probability of causing you problems. Ed -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:11 PMPosted To: Exchange SunbeltConversation: EseutilSubject: RE: Eseutil I suppose I should have been a little more informative. I do delete a large amount of data on a weekly basis using the Mail Box Manager. On average, it deletes about half a GB of space per week, so in my situation, regaining 2 GB worth of space is worthy of running eseutil on a monthly basis. We have 1 Saturday a month that management has giving us for "Network Maintenance" were we have a 12 hour window of doing whatever we want to maintain our network. Installing SP's, new software, replacing hardware etc. So, in my environment of being stuck with Exchange 5.5 Standard, not being able to upgrade and not having the enterprise edition, to keep Exchange running 24/7 it is a necessary procedure. List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
Just
drop out of the Triple-A list!
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 01 November 2001
12:53To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
You
can "lose" MVP status? How can that happen?
-Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
1:11 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re:
Eseutil
Thanks, William.
Actually,for the past four years I *was* a Windows
NT/2000 MVP, but this year I am an Exchange MVP.
Oh, and its Schnoll, not Scholl. :-)
shameless self-promotion
Exchange 2000 Server: The Complete Reference - ISBN 0072127392
/shameless self-promotion
:-)
- Original Message -
From:
Lefkovics, William
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:33
AM
Subject: RE: Eseutil
For those that do not know, Scott Scholl is a Windows2000/NTServer
MVP and co-author of Exchange2000 Server:the Complete
Reference.
William
-Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
8:57 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re:
Eseutil
Well, to be more specific
Exchange's online defragmentation is great for
defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not
reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount
of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you
move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline
defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does
not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform.
If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your
databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g.,
because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk
space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any,
benefits.
So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool
really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange
orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool.
My $.02.
--
Regards,
Scott Schnoll
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MS-Exchange Admin
Issues
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Eseutil
Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the
standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB
limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be
no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB
limit on Standard Edition.
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is
the best practice with defragmentation?
MS says
that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance
andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting
Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here
that use it on monthly basis!
So, to use
or not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
10:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely
accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever
you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv
/tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space
between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag
on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
9:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read
monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to
regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages
being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I
would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit.
I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or
what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it
doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it
must run on the same physical drive that it is
stored.
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message There's one caveat I'd add to this, and that is... Make sure your online defrag is running to completion each day (or at least once a week). If you're going to reclaim whitespace, you might as well make sure that the process is working. I let the online maintenance run all weekend if it wants to :-) Phil -Phil RandalNetwork EngineerHerefordshire CouncilHereford, UK -Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 31 October 2001 18:51To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Eseutil Um, that's what I said (except for the part about rebooting servers weekly). Did you not read me post in its entirety? Let me hit the highlights g: Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. - Original Message - From: Lefkovics, William To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Sure. Some people reboot their servers weekly, too. For the average deployment, offline defragging using eseutil as a regular maintenance toolremains a complete waste of time and resources.(Read:reclamation of whitespace that will be reused anyway) William snipList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Nightly. By default. Reading the event logs each morning (yes, I do) will reveal any issues. -Original Message-From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil There's one caveat I'd add to this, and that is... Make sure your online defrag is running to completion each day (or at least once a week). If you're going to reclaim whitespace, you might as well make sure that the process is working. I let the online maintenance run all weekend if it wants to :-) Phil -Phil RandalNetwork EngineerHerefordshire CouncilHereford, UK -Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 31 October 2001 18:51To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Eseutil Um, that's what I said (except for the part about rebooting servers weekly). Did you not read me post in its entirety? Let me hit the highlights g: Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. - Original Message - From: Lefkovics, William To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Sure. Some people reboot their servers weekly, too. For the average deployment, offline defragging using eseutil as a regular maintenance toolremains a complete waste of time and resources.(Read:reclamation of whitespace that will be reused anyway) William snipList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: Eseutil
Yup... and the same one who runs: Microsoft Cluster Server Center - www.nwnetworks.com/cluster.html Internet Explorer Security Center - www.nwnetworks.com/iesc.html But...enough about me...We now return to our Exchange programming :-) - Original Message - From: Clark, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil And the same Scott Schnoll from Event Log Monitor - www.tntsoftware.com http://www.tntsoftware.com/ ? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil Thanks, William. Actually, for the past four years I *was* a Windows NT/2000 MVP, but this year I am an Exchange MVP. Oh, and its Schnoll, not Scholl. :-) shameless self-promotion Exchange 2000 Server: The Complete Reference - ISBN 0072127392 /shameless self-promotion :-) - Original Message - From: Lefkovics, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] William To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil For those that do not know, Scott Scholl is a Windows2000/NTServer MVP and co-author of Exchange2000 Server:the Complete Reference. William -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil Well, to be more specific Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. My $.02. -- Regards, Scott Schnoll - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard Edition. -Original Message- From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance and should only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support. On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message- From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message In Exchange 5.5 there is a performance optimizer that will let you change the drive where your exchange folders are. You can move your IS to a different drive (it shouldn't be on the C drive anyway) that has more room. I haven't used Exchange 2000, but I'm sure there is something in E2K that will do the same job. Diane -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Recently I have archived about 50 mailboxes , and hence I want to defrag , because the space freed is not showing up on the exchange database , it still remains the same . -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:04 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message I hope you have taken the time to read ALL the posts to your thread. If not I would highly recommend you do so. If you still wish to go back and offline defrag your database then you might want to go back and read ALL the posts again. Basically, unless you absolutely need the space back, your current exchange database will not grow in size AT ALL until you reuse the space thatwas already allocated for those deleted 50 mailboxes. Matt Bullock -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Recently I have archived about 50 mailboxes , and hence I want to defrag , because the space freed is not showing up on the exchange database , it still remains the same . -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:04 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Well Aren't you the big ol geek. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil Yup... and the same one who runs: Microsoft Cluster Server Center - www.nwnetworks.com/cluster.html Internet Explorer Security Center - www.nwnetworks.com/iesc.html But...enough about me...We now return to our Exchange programming :-) - Original Message - From: Clark, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: RE: Eseutil And the same Scott Schnoll from Event Log Monitor - www.tntsoftware.com http://www.tntsoftware.com/ ? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil Thanks, William. Actually, for the past four years I *was* a Windows NT/2000 MVP, but this year I am an Exchange MVP. Oh, and its Schnoll, not Scholl. :-) shameless self-promotion Exchange 2000 Server: The Complete Reference - ISBN 0072127392 /shameless self-promotion :-) - Original Message - From: Lefkovics, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] William To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil For those that do not know, Scott Scholl is a Windows2000/NTServer MVP and co-author of Exchange2000 Server:the Complete Reference. William -Original Message- From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Eseutil Well, to be more specific Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. My $.02. -- Regards, Scott Schnoll - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard Edition. -Original Message- From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance and should only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support. On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message- From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message There is no performance optimizer in Exchange2000. (perhaps it will arrive in a future sp sp2 is very close) Instead you: Stop. Dismount. Move. Remount. See how Exchange2000 can be so much more fun? William -Original Message-From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil In Exchange 5.5 there is a performance optimizer that will let you change the drive where your exchange folders are. You can move your IS to a different drive (it shouldn't be on the C drive anyway) that has more room. I haven't used Exchange 2000, but I'm sure there is something in E2K that will do the same job. Diane -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Recently I have archived about 50 mailboxes , and hence I want to defrag , because the space freed is not showing up on the exchange database , it still remains the same . -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:04 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Does an online IS backup copy white space to tape? Laura Bibel Allegheny Energy: Information Services Voice (724) 830-5966 Fax (724) 853-3600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:26 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Sure. Some people reboot their servers weekly, too. For the average deployment, offline defragging using eseutil as a regular maintenance toolremains a complete waste of time and resources.(Read:reclamation of whitespace that will be reused anyway) William -Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:57 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Eseutil Well, to be more specific Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. My $.02. -- Regards, Scott Schnoll - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard Edition. -Original Message-From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Title: Message Actually, yes. I believe NTBackup does. -Original Message-From: Bibel, Laura Y. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:59 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Does an online IS backup copy white space to tape? Laura Bibel Allegheny Energy: Information Services Voice (724) 830-5966 Fax (724) 853-3600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:26 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Sure. Some people reboot their servers weekly, too. For the average deployment, offline defragging using eseutil as a regular maintenance toolremains a complete waste of time and resources.(Read:reclamation of whitespace that will be reused anyway) William -Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:57 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Eseutil Well, to be more specific Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. My $.02. -- Regards, Scott Schnoll - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard Edition. -Original Message-From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Title: Message that is a somewhat interesting question, but if it does, it's probably highly compressable... -- DrewVisit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now!True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance. -- Akhenaton -Original Message-From: Bibel, Laura Y. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:59 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Does an online IS backup copy white space to tape? Laura Bibel Allegheny Energy: Information Services Voice (724) 830-5966 Fax (724) 853-3600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:26 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Sure. Some people reboot their servers weekly, too. For the average deployment, offline defragging using eseutil as a regular maintenance toolremains a complete waste of time and resources.(Read:reclamation of whitespace that will be reused anyway) William -Original Message-From: Scott Schnoll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:57 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Re: Eseutil Well, to be more specific Exchange's online defragmentation is great for defragmenting and reclaiming white space; however, this process does not reduce the size of the database file. So, if you move a large amount of data from your databases (e.g., you purge a whole lot of messages; you move a whole lot of mailboxes; etc.) then performing an offline defragmentation using ESEUTIL is completely acceptable maintenance that does not need the hand-holding or blessing of PSS to perform. If you aren't move large amounts of data out of your databases, and you aren't running into any storage limitations (e.g., because you are running Standard or because you're running out of disk space), then running ESEUTIL won't provide much, if any, benefits. So, whether or not this is a regular maintenance tool really depends on your environment. For the large majority of Exchange orgs, it probably won't be a regular maintenance tool. My $.02. -- Regards, Scott Schnoll - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: RE: Eseutil Only use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard Edition. -Original Message-From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Title: Message Oh yes...this seems so much easier then - click on Optimize, go get a cup of tea and a scone, come back, read which drives it chooses, make changes, click OK... Yes, I can see why I just what to JUMP into E2K :-) -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:47 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil There is no performance optimizer in Exchange2000. (perhaps it will arrive in a future sp sp2 is very close) Instead you: Stop. Dismount. Move. Remount. See how Exchange2000 can be so much more fun? William -Original Message-From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil In Exchange 5.5 there is a performance optimizer that will let you change the drive where your exchange folders are. You can move your IS to a different drive (it shouldn't be on the C drive anyway) that has more room. I haven't used Exchange 2000, but I'm sure there is something in E2K that will do the same job. Diane -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Recently I have archived about 50 mailboxes , and hence I want to defrag , because the space freed is not showing up on the exchange database , it still remains the same . -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:04 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Title: Message She shoots! She scores!!! -Original Message-From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:54 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Oh yes...this seems so much easier then - click on Optimize, go get a cup of tea and a scone, come back, read which drives it chooses, make changes, click OK... Yes, I can see why I just what to JUMP into E2K :-) -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:47 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil There is no performance optimizer in Exchange2000. (perhaps it will arrive in a future sp sp2 is very close) Instead you: Stop. Dismount. Move. Remount. See how Exchange2000 can be so much more fun? William -Original Message-From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil In Exchange 5.5 there is a performance optimizer that will let you change the drive where your exchange folders are. You can move your IS to a different drive (it shouldn't be on the C drive anyway) that has more room. I haven't used Exchange 2000, but I'm sure there is something in E2K that will do the same job. Diane -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:34 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Recently I have archived about 50 mailboxes , and hence I want to defrag , because the space freed is not showing up on the exchange database , it still remains the same . List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message There should be no reason to defrag the databases this regularly (unless you are approaching the 16Gig limit on Standard Ed.) - if there is free space in the db then leave it there - it is just white space which gets filled up by new data as and when the IS needs it. The information store will not go and grab more disk space if it has free space in the db already. All you are effectively doing is loading your server by making the db work harder by having to re write all the data every time you reclaim this space. -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 October 2001 14:23To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message-From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. 1) That logic is so flawed I can smell it from here. (Forgive me if I'm wrong, Sherry, but aren't you the one that recovers the SAME 450MB every month or was that someone else?) That might have been someone else. It is simply NOT correct. The database doesn't perpetually grow if there is unused whitespace. it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. 2) That is also incorrect. Have a look at eseutil /? (which in my opinion is the only switch you should be running eseutil with). Do be aware that the speed of this process over the network will be significantly slower than if the temp database was local. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 6:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
Most
the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time
explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are
there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking about.
DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what you are
doing and have a very good backup.
The
best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing
needs to be done. The longera server is up the better.
Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA,
CKWSE
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
October 31, 2001 8:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only
be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On
the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try
the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped
drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil
/d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space
between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run
eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the
Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I
did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS
limit.
I
would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you
plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5
when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical
drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't
be using. Now tell us why you want to do it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with eseutil
, i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
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at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
Only
use it if you are directed to by PSS, or if you are using the standard edition
of Exchange 5.5 and are running into the 16GB limit. Exchange handles
online defrag quite well so there should be no need to run and offline defrag
unless you are running into the 16GB limit on Standard
Edition.
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
October 31, 2001 11:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only
be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On
the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try
the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped
drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil
/d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space
between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run
eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the
Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I
did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS
limit.
I
would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you
plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5
when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical
drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't
be using. Now tell us why you want to do it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with eseutil
, i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
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at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
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at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
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RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Q244525 Q192185 -Original Message-From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message Use it onlywhen it's needed. It is run regularly only by misinformed admins that: 1) consider their email content and server non-critical. 2) do not need email to be available to their users 24/7. 3) enjoy playing with the cleaning people on the IT chesterfield. William -Original Message-From: Dimitri Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil So what is the best practice with defragmentation? MS says that "ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly basis! So, to use or not to use? -Original Message-From: Kopec, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on. -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
My
wife says that, too.
-Original Message-From: Kevin Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31,
2001 8:25 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
Most
the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time
explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are
there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking about.
DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what you are
doing and have a very good backup.
The
best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing
needs to be done. The longera server is up the better.
Kevinm M WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA,
CKWSE
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday,
October 31, 2001 8:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only
be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On
the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try
the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped
drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil
/d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space
between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run
eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the
Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I
did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS
limit.
I
would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you
plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5
when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical
drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't
be using. Now tell us why you want to do it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with eseutil
, i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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RE: Eseutil
Title: Message sounds like you need to upgrade to Exchange Enterprise. -- DrewVisit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now!Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam. (I have a catapult. Give me all the money or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.) -Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:23 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS limit. I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical drive that it is stored. Good luck. Sherry -Original Message-From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do this? eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do it. -Original Message-From: Irfan GM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: Eseutil Hi How do I use the /t switch with eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage space in C: , where exchange 2000 is loaded. Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
I go
with the vendor. Exchange does online defragmentation automatically.
One less thing for you to worry about. Eseutil is used in disaster
recovery situations, and after large amounts of data have been moved off the
server. That's all.
-- DrewVisit
http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now!"Million to one chances crop up
nine times out of ten." - Granny Weatherwax
-Original Message-From: Dimitri Limanovski
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31,
2001 10:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould only
be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical Support". On
the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate. Try
the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including mapped
drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil
/d /ispriv /tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space
between the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly) run
eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space in the
Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted etc. If I
did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the Exchange 5.5 IS
limit.
I
would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or what ever you
plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it doesn't work in 5.5
when you try to redirect the temp database, it must run on the same physical
drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you shouldn't
be using. Now tell us why you want to do it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with eseutil
, i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
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RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
I
concur.
I have
only used it once in my career, and that was for fun on a box I was about to
retire.
-Original Message-From: Don Ely
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001
8:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
Not
to use!
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould
only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical
Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate.
Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including
mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv
/tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between
the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly)
run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space
in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted
etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the
Exchange 5.5 IS limit.
I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or
what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it
doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must
run on the same physical drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you
shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do
it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with
eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
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RE: Eseutil
Title: Message
The best maintance for Exchange is apply
service packs. other then that nothing needs to be done.
shhh!!! My boss still thinks I
work!
-Original Message-From: Kevin Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 31 October 2001
16:25To: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
Most
the people here who use it on a monthly basis would have a very difficult time
explaining what the log files are, what they are used for, and why they are
there. don't go by them. Listen to people who know what they are talking
about. DON'T TOUCH eseutil unless you are on the phone with PSS or know what
you are doing and have a very good backup.
The
best maintance for Exchange is apply service packs. other then that nothing
needs to be done. The longera server is up the
better.
Kevinm M WLKMMAS,
UCC+WCA, CKWSE
-Original Message-From: Dimitri
Limanovski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:13 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
So what is the
best practice with defragmentation?
MS says that
"ESEUITL is not considered a tool for regular maintenance andshould
only be used in case of emergency after contacting Microsoft Technical
Support". On the other hand, there're people here that use it on monthly
basis!
So, to use or
not to use?
-Original Message-From: Kopec, David
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
This statement is NOT entirely accurate.
Try the following syntax and you can direct wherever you want including
mapped drives. For example, C:\exchsrver/bineseutil /d /ispriv
/tf:\tempedb.edb. Notice, there is no space between
the /t and the drive you wish to defrag on.
-Original Message-From: Abercrombie, Sherry
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:23
AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Eseutil
I'm not familiar with E2K, but on 5.5 I regularly (read monthly)
run eseutil. I run it because that is the ONLY way to regain space
in the Exchange DB that has been freed up by messages being deleted
etc. If I did not do this on a regular basis I would hit the
Exchange 5.5 IS limit.
I would guess that it would be /t f:/tempedb.edb or
what ever you plan to use for the defrag. It may not work, it
doesn't work in 5.5 when you try to redirect the temp database, it must
run on the same physical drive that it is stored.
Good luck.
Sherry
-Original Message-From: Martin
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:
Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Eseutil
Why do you need to defrag the IS? Has MS told you to do
this?
eseutil is a tool that if you are not familiar with, you
shouldn't be using. Now tell us why you want to do
it.
-Original Message-From: Irfan GM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October
31, 2001 12:19 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin
IssuesSubject: Eseutil
Hi
How do I use the /t switch with
eseutil , i need to defrag the database and there is not enogh storage
space in C: , where exchange
2000 is loaded.
Thanks Irfan List Charter and FAQ
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
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Charter and FAQ
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at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList
Charter and FAQ
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