RE: Evault vs. tape backups
What do you mean? Arcserv backs up great! It's the restore that doesn't work! :) -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups While ArcCrap might follow the DR whitepapers, it has the problem of say... NOT WORKING ever. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Still doesn't answer the original question. Arcserve is a running joke on this list, and yet it follows the DR Whitepapers requirements. I used BE, with a Travan Tape drive, which sucks, but it also follows the DR Whitepaper requirements. Hopefully the DR Whitepaper will continue to be a living document. It wasn't all that long ago that Antigen wasn't exactly a recommended MS solution, and therefore not accepted by a whole bunch of Exchange experts. And now look. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Is it Friday, already? Damn, this New Year is certainly zipping[1] along. Kevin [1] Copyright PKWare -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 January 2002 15:40 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Again, that's his opinion. The question was why he has that opinion. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup isn't an answer, it's an opinion. It's not based any technical or factual information. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
I agree. It's a good thing that developers are always pushing the envelope, trying to find better solutions. More data is being collected, priv.edb's aren't getting smaller, disks are getting larger/faster, networks are getting faster, and disaster recovery will need to become faster and, better yet, unnecessary except in catastrophic circumstances. Can tape technology keep up? I dunno. The first 10 years of my IT career we only did disk-to-disk backups. Times and technology changes. -Original Message- From: Dal Cosby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely
Re: Evault vs. tape backups
You like my phrase ? - Original Message - From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:09 Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http
RE: Evault vs. tape backups
Love it! ;o) D -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:23 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Evault vs. tape backups You like my phrase ? - Original Message - From: Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:09 Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup
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Still doesn't answer the original question. Arcserve is a running joke on this list, and yet it follows the DR Whitepapers requirements. I used BE, with a Travan Tape drive, which sucks, but it also follows the DR Whitepaper requirements. Hopefully the DR Whitepaper will continue to be a living document. It wasn't all that long ago that Antigen wasn't exactly a recommended MS solution, and therefore not accepted by a whole bunch of Exchange experts. And now look. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange
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While ArcCrap might follow the DR whitepapers, it has the problem of say... NOT WORKING ever. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Still doesn't answer the original question. Arcserve is a running joke on this list, and yet it follows the DR Whitepapers requirements. I used BE, with a Travan Tape drive, which sucks, but it also follows the DR Whitepaper requirements. Hopefully the DR Whitepaper will continue to be a living document. It wasn't all that long ago that Antigen wasn't exactly a recommended MS solution, and therefore not accepted by a whole bunch of Exchange experts. And now look. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Here is our validation... In the event something goes wrong and either of us were to call PSS (god forbid), they would most likely tell us DUDE, You are so NOT supported. The DR Whitepapers are pretty specific. There are many ways to backup an Exchange server. There are right ways and there are wrong ways. However, in order to best ensure that you are always able to recover your exchange server without losing any email, one should follow the DR steps that MS outlines and one should practice test restores. I do online backups of my exchange server with NT Backup right now. Mostly because my soon to be ex-boss uses ArcCrap to backup the network. When I migrated them from Send Mail to Exchange I specifically noted that they will NOT install ArcCrap on my Exchange server that I'll use plain old vanilla NT Backup. Do I like using NT Backup, no, not really, but I am re-evaluating our backup solution now so I can put something more reliable to me in place that backups the entire enterprise... D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL
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Laura, I presume that if you're doing BLBs with the ArcServe Exchange agent you are also doing on-line Exchange backups through the same agent? If not, the first thing I would do (like now, while planning any other changes) is stop doing the BLBs and start doing the on-line backups of the Directory and Information Store. Karen (Who doesn't really understand why all the anti-ArcServe feeling: I've not had major problems with it and get consistently good backups from which I can restore files, Exchange servers, SQL databases, PDCs etc ...) -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 January 2002 17:42 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups WOW! Didn't expect the debate either! It's getting fun though. I'll give a little background here: I'm responsible for a small network (6 NT4 servers and approx 100 workstations). This is my first IT job so my experience is limited to the 2 years I've been at this company. I inherited the current setup which is ArcServe 2000 on 2 servers; each server has an older model Exabyte tape drive backing up to 8mm tapes, and one server doing brick-level backups of Exchange. Yes I've been reading how bad they are and why and now have my boss convinced that we need to change our backup method which is why I'm doing research and asking questions of those with the experience. I don't want to replace our current solution with new tape drives and software if that technology is fading and giving way to something like Evault or CommVault Galaxy. And I don't want to base my decision on a recommendation from an eager salesman. Always looking for growth and knowledge wherever I can find it, there's a lot to wade through out there. Thanks again - Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout
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You are doing the right thing. You should question. If somebody didn't, we wouldn't have choices. -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups WOW! Didn't expect the debate either! It's getting fun though. I'll give a little background here: I'm responsible for a small network (6 NT4 servers and approx 100 workstations). This is my first IT job so my experience is limited to the 2 years I've been at this company. I inherited the current setup which is ArcServe 2000 on 2 servers; each server has an older model Exabyte tape drive backing up to 8mm tapes, and one server doing brick-level backups of Exchange. Yes I've been reading how bad they are and why and now have my boss convinced that we need to change our backup method which is why I'm doing research and asking questions of those with the experience. I don't want to replace our current solution with new tape drives and software if that technology is fading and giving way to something like Evault or CommVault Galaxy. And I don't want to base my decision on a recommendation from an eager salesman. Always looking for growth and knowledge wherever I can find it, there's a lot to wade through out there. Thanks again - Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error in their original thinking. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:40 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I realize it's friday, and the caffiene levels aren't where they should be..but i'm Curious, that's a generic statement to make don't you think? you say No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. but don't go on to say as to why?... so, i guess the question I'm asking is .. why wouldn't you trust such a setup for Exchange?, but yet as one of the links you post, you post evault :o) curious minds want to know(or at least mine does) Dal -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Thank you, William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http
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doesn't really understand why all the anti-ArcServe feeling: I've not had major problems with it and get consistently good backups from which I can restore files, Exchange servers, SQL databases, PDCs etc It's their support, IMHO. ARCserve worked fine for me, too, as recently as 6.61. Back when Cheyenne Software was independent, they had good support. Then CA bought Cheyenne, and support went downhill. Lately CA has been sounding like they are building up their support infrastructure. I hope it's working, but I'm a happy Veritas customer nowadays. - Bob -Original Message- From: Lynn Karen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Laura, I presume that if you're doing BLBs with the ArcServe Exchange agent you are also doing on-line Exchange backups through the same agent? If not, the first thing I would do (like now, while planning any other changes) is stop doing the BLBs and start doing the on-line backups of the Directory and Information Store. Karen (Who doesn't really understand why all the anti-ArcServe feeling: I've not had major problems with it and get consistently good backups from which I can restore files, Exchange servers, SQL databases, PDCs etc ...) -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 January 2002 17:42 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups WOW! Didn't expect the debate either! It's getting fun though. I'll give a little background here: I'm responsible for a small network (6 NT4 servers and approx 100 workstations). This is my first IT job so my experience is limited to the 2 years I've been at this company. I inherited the current setup which is ArcServe 2000 on 2 servers; each server has an older model Exabyte tape drive backing up to 8mm tapes, and one server doing brick-level backups of Exchange. Yes I've been reading how bad they are and why and now have my boss convinced that we need to change our backup method which is why I'm doing research and asking questions of those with the experience. I don't want to replace our current solution with new tape drives and software if that technology is fading and giving way to something like Evault or CommVault Galaxy. And I don't want to base my decision on a recommendation from an eager salesman. Always looking for growth and knowledge wherever I can find it, there's a lot to wade through out there. Thanks again - Laura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Didn't want this to get into the debate it's becoming. but: Although people's current environment is being taken care of in the most reliable manner. that's fine for right now, they've not had any problems, so they tend to become comfortable/complacent. I respect Don's and William's opinions', but every once in awhile I (as well as others i'm sure) require validation as to how they came to those opinions. and that's was the intent here. you are comfortable in your current environment, that may or may not be alright 6 months down the road. we don't know what Laura's current setup is, or what it is going to be and she asked the question. and just because the premier gurus' of the forum here, state it is or is not a good idea. I just want to know why? I'm sure it's based on a lot of experience, a Lot of luck, and proactive administration. but with anything, there's always room for growth either in knowledge or software. Thought it was a pretty simple and generic question actually -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yeah, and I'm pretty sure William mentioned that... No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. He then provided links to various sites. It wouldn't and shouldn't be a trusted setup. Those links give various options I would imagine. I haven't read them nor will I as I know how I backup exchange. Which is in the most reliable manner. D -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:00 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Yabbut the question was what's wrong with the non-tape solutions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:44 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups He posted links to all the various vendors so one could go to each one and evaluate how their product works with exchange and see the error
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I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Might want to look at Ultrabac too. -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:33 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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That's what the Testlab is for! Yeehaaa! -- Drew Visit http://www.drewncapris.net! Go! Go there now! Courage is simply the willingness to be afraid and act anyway. --Robert Anthony -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Did we digress again? No, I wouldn't trust such a setup for Exchange. Other file data, perhaps. NTBackup on Windows2000 backs up to disk. If you like this kind of storage, here are some others to consider: Connected http://www.connected.com FreeDrive http://www.freedrive.com X Drive http://www.xdrive.com Driveway http://www.driveway.com Maxisafe http://www.maxisafe.com Managed Storage http://www.sgii.com E-store http://www.e-stor.net @Backup http://www.backup.com StoreActive http://www.storactive.net BackUpNet http://www.backupnet.com eVault.com http://www.evault.com MySpace http://www.freediskspace.com -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Okay thank you. But I was curious if anyone has any experience with Evault and how they liked/disliked it vs. tape backups. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Ahem. Lovely weather we're having, eh? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups Forget to change a tape? [1] [1] Hi William -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:09 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups No backups on Sundays. The other two... well... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups what happened to the other 54 times? -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I got it to work 311 times in 2001. William -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Evault vs. tape backups I heard this backup s/w called NTBACKUP was nice... -Original Message- From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 17:33 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Evault vs. tape backups We're looking at replacing our ArcServe backup software with a more reliable solution such as BackUp Exec or Evault. Is anyone using Evault? If so how to you like it compared to tape backups? Thanks - Laura List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
