RE: Exch2007 in ESX
I've got a hub transport, a couple of CAS servers, and a couple of edge servers virtualized. The hub transport is backed up by a second HT on a physical box. So far, so good. Mailbox server is physical, but we plan on testing using virtual for short term disaster recovery to get critical functions back up before new physical hardware arrives for a full recovery. That's for about 4K mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
I have Exchange 2003 on ESX with 150 mailboxes and a 100GB Information Store and we do not see any performance issues. I would say the number 1 key factor is the performance of your SAN. You can see the performance of your processor and memory in Virtual Center but it is a bit more difficult to see the SAN performance. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell > server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a > local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they > virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about > 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > -- Mike Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Do you have a NAS for storage? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Sorry, SAN -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Do you have a NAS for storage? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Yes. A 2TB Dell MD3000i is specified for this project. Sorry, SAN -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Do you have a NAS for storage? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell > server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a > local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they > virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about > 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Per MS it's not supported, unless someone knows of a newer document: "Neither Exchange 2007 nor Exchange 2007 SP1 is supported in production in a virtual environment" -Also- "2007 and Exchange 2007 SP1 are also not supported in production in a virtual environment using virtualization software that is not Microsoft software. For details about the Microsoft support policy for third-party virtualization software, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 897615, Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software." However, from the same article: "The first 64-bit guest support is expected to be included with Hypervisor, which is an add-in for Windows Server 2008 from Microsoft that is scheduled to ship within 180 days of Windows Server 2008" http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232170.aspx Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Yes. A 2TB Dell MD3000i is specified for this project. Sorry, SAN -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Do you have a NAS for storage? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
A month or two ago they succumbed to pressure and it's now supported on selected hardware and VS combinations. Can't tell you which ones because I haven't been down that road yet. It's only a matter of time. M -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Per MS it's not supported, unless someone knows of a newer document: "Neither Exchange 2007 nor Exchange 2007 SP1 is supported in production in a virtual environment" -Also- "2007 and Exchange 2007 SP1 are also not supported in production in a virtual environment using virtualization software that is not Microsoft software. For details about the Microsoft support policy for third-party virtualization software, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 897615, Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software." However, from the same article: "The first 64-bit guest support is expected to be included with Hypervisor, which is an add-in for Windows Server 2008 from Microsoft that is scheduled to ship within 180 days of Windows Server 2008" http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232170.aspx Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Yes. A 2TB Dell MD3000i is specified for this project. Sorry, SAN -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Do you have a NAS for storage? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
And if they don't, they darned well should, instead of acting like the local bully. Suggestion to Microsoft: Don't even think of throwing money purchasing Yahoo, but instead spend a fraction of that on a bunch of ESX servers and training your support personnel to support ALL users of Microsoft products, whether they are run on bare metal, under VMWare, Zen, KVM, or whatever. Cheers, Phil -- Phil Randal Networks Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2008 14:52 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX A month or two ago they succumbed to pressure and it's now supported on selected hardware and VS combinations. Can't tell you which ones because I haven't been down that road yet. It's only a matter of time. M -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Per MS it's not supported, unless someone knows of a newer document: "Neither Exchange 2007 nor Exchange 2007 SP1 is supported in production in a virtual environment" -Also- "2007 and Exchange 2007 SP1 are also not supported in production in a virtual environment using virtualization software that is not Microsoft software. For details about the Microsoft support policy for third-party virtualization software, see Microsoft Knowledge Base article 897615, Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software." However, from the same article: "The first 64-bit guest support is expected to be included with Hypervisor, which is an add-in for Windows Server 2008 from Microsoft that is scheduled to ship within 180 days of Windows Server 2008" http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb232170.aspx Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:20 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Yes. A 2TB Dell MD3000i is specified for this project. Sorry, SAN -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Do you have a NAS for storage? ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
E2K7 on a DC is not recommended but is supported http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719.aspx John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Here's a link from vmware with some information from a Dell tech about running a huge exchange environment on vmware. But these are all in controlled installs not production. http://www.savagenomads.net/2008/03/05/16000_exchange_mailboxes_1_server _-_vmware_vroom/ jb From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX E2K7 on a DC is not recommended but is supported http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719.aspx John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Something a tad more directed: http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2008/03/29/exchange-se rver-2007-and-domain-controllers-a-summary.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX E2K7 on a DC is not recommended but is supported http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719.aspx John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX So..if you virtualize Exchange 2007.what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Where did you get THIS guidance: "My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller"? Let me know. If it's on a MSFT web page or an MVP's web page, I'm sure I can get that fixed. 'Cuz it's wrong. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX So..if you virtualize Exchange 2007.what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
As long as your backend storage is good, I don't see you will have any problems, just make sure you follow the best practice guidelines that are out there. Exchange 2007 is a great candidate for virtualisation especially as it need less IO than Exchange 2003. From experience we haven't seen any performance problems, either over Iscsi or NFS storage. Cheers Matt From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2008 15:18 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Here's a link from vmware with some information from a Dell tech about running a huge exchange environment on vmware. But these are all in controlled installs not production. http://www.savagenomads.net/2008/03/05/16000_exchange_mailboxes_1_server _-_vmware_vroom/ jb From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:09 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX E2K7 on a DC is not recommended but is supported http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa996719.aspx John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Thank You. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn’t been fully released yet? (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) -troy -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a supported config. ;-) TVK -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn’t been fully released yet? (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) -troy -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
Exchange 2007 is great visualized ;) _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:56:05 AM Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions.. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Oops...darned autocorrect. :-) -Original Message- From: JB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Exchange 2007 is great visualized ;) _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:56:05 AM Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions.. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
I've been running 2007 on VMWare since January with no problems. Storage is on an EMC Cellerra SAN. VMs are on Dell 6950s. Mailbox store is around 200GB. -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Oops...darned autocorrect. :-) -Original Message- From: JB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Exchange 2007 is great visualized ;) _ John Bowles - Original Message From: Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:56:05 AM Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions.. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
I like to see "supported" as a grey area. They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits from the "unsupported" configuration. "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. [1] they being Microsoft. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a supported config. ;-) TVK -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn’t been fully released yet? (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) -troy -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
We, today, had PSS tell us that on an OCS install - and we admitted the install was a proof of concept, not production. I do not believe for an instant that the problem we were having related to using VMWare. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like to see "supported" as a grey area. > > They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them > at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install > this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear > Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In > some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company > to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits > from the "unsupported" configuration. > > "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the > support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. > > > [1] they being Microsoft. > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > -Original Message- > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly > certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a > supported config. ;-) > TVK > > > -Original Message----- > From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn't been > fully released yet? > > (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) > > -troy > > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is > even fully supported if you use Hyper-V > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Exch2007 in ESX > > Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell > server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a > local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they > virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about > 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
What was your support call about? OCS can be such a pain to make work. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp<http://www.3sharp.com/>, Always WLKMMAS<http://www.wlkmmas.org/> What is your Zombie Plan? From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX We, today, had PSS tell us that on an OCS install - and we admitted the install was a proof of concept, not production. I do not believe for an instant that the problem we were having related to using VMWare. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: I like to see "supported" as a grey area. They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits from the "unsupported" configuration. "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. [1] they being Microsoft. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a supported config. ;-) TVK -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn't been fully released yet? (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) -troy -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
What are you doing with OCS? IM and presence should be OK. From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX We, today, had PSS tell us that on an OCS install - and we admitted the install was a proof of concept, not production. I do not believe for an instant that the problem we were having related to using VMWare. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I like to see "supported" as a grey area. They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits from the "unsupported" configuration. "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. [1] they being Microsoft. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a supported config. ;-) TVK -Original Message- From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn't been fully released yet? (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) -troy -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is even fully supported if you use Hyper-V ~Kevinm WLKMMAS powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? -Original Message- From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Exch2007 in ESX Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
On 4/28/08, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is your Zombie Plan? Format and reinstall, apply patches. It's either that or the cricket bat. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
It was a configuration question ... a "how to", which is why I'm surprised they stopped the call. Normally I don't call for config stuff, but we are approaching the end of our contract and have hours to burn. It provided some fodder for an email to our TAM for sure. Just trying IM and presence for now. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was your support call about? OCS can be such a pain to make work….. > > > > ~Kevinm *WLKMMAS* > > powered by 3Sharp <http://www.3sharp.com/>, Always > WLKMMAS<http://www.wlkmmas.org/>What is your Zombie Plan? > > > > *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 AM > *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Exch2007 in ESX > > > > We, today, had PSS tell us that on an OCS install - and we admitted the > install was a proof of concept, not production. I do not believe for an > instant that the problem we were having related to using VMWare. > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like to see "supported" as a grey area. > > They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them > at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install > this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear > Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In > some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company > to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits > from the "unsupported" configuration. > > "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the > support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. > > > [1] they being Microsoft. > > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly > certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a > supported config. ;-) > TVK > > > -Original Message- > > From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn't been > fully released yet? > > (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) > > -troy > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > I virtualized everything.. Exchange 2007 works great visualized. It is > even fully supported if you use Hyper-V > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > -Original Message- > From: Dennis Melahn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:37 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Exch2007 in ESX > > Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell > server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a > local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they > virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about > 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > > > > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
New Horizons trainer at an Exchange 2007 class. Apparently he was mistaken eh? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Where did you get THIS guidance: "My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller"? Let me know. If it's on a MSFT web page or an MVP's web page, I'm sure I can get that fixed. 'Cuz it's wrong. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
Lol...New Horizons trainers usually see the stuff they're teaching about a day or so before they teach it. And they're hired directly out of school, so they have no real world experience. When I was going to Heald, New Horizons would hire guys still in the basic electronics classes to teach applications Joe Heaton From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX New Horizons trainer at an Exchange 2007 class. Apparently he was mistaken eh? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Where did you get THIS guidance: "My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller"? Let me know. If it's on a MSFT web page or an MVP's web page, I'm sure I can get that fixed. 'Cuz it's wrong. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
We're running LCS 2005sp1 (sniff, no ocs for me yet) and my diagrams clearly say VMware hosts on them This always gets me the Oh, we don't support it on VMware... where I respond with, well, let's see if we can identify the issue and if it's not hardware it's no problem and we'd all rather not call the TAM on silly things. They generally laugh and proceed to assist solving the problem. There is a white paper from Dell and VMware on Exchange 2007 on VMware ESX. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/power/ps4q07-20080147-Muirhead.pdf http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/2008/03/16000-exchange.html http://www.mmmug.co.uk/blogs/nweb/archive/2007/09/14/1555.aspx There was also an interesting blog post I can't find that mentioned something I hadn't thought of. From memory, they mentioned that to achieve similar performance that the ESX hardware configuration had to exceed the calculated Exchange hardware specs by 20%. So pay attention to hardware. From experience pay serious attention to SAN. Make sure you have dedicated disks on the SAN for your Exchange because that IO latency will kill you if some random project gets dumped across your set of disks.. Steven On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Kevin Lundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a configuration question ... a "how to", which is why I'm surprised > they stopped the call. Normally I don't call for config stuff, but we are > approaching the end of our contract and have hours to burn. It provided > some fodder for an email to our TAM for sure. > > Just trying IM and presence for now. > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What was your support call about? OCS can be such a pain to make work….. > > > > > > > > > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > > > > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > > > > > > > > From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:02 AM > > > > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We, today, had PSS tell us that on an OCS install - and we admitted the > install was a proof of concept, not production. I do not believe for an > instant that the problem we were having related to using VMWare. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I like to see "supported" as a grey area. > > > > They will answer your call, and they will help you. [1] It is up to them > at which time they say " we cannot support your setup, you need to install > this on supported hardware before we can go further" I have yet to hear > Microsoft say that on a call that I have made to PSS. It is a gamble. In > some environments you cannot do that, in others you can. It is up to company > to decide to roll those dice based on their needs and perceived benefits > from the "unsupported" configuration. > > > > "unsupported" means not tested, or that will not work. It is up the > support staff to figure that out where that line should be drawn. > > > > > > [1] they being Microsoft. > > > > > > > > ~Kevinm WLKMMAS > > powered by 3Sharp, Always WLKMMAS What is your Zombie Plan? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:33 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > > > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > > > When Hyper-V is released that configuration will be supported. I'm fairly > certain that running any version of Exchange on any beta OS is not a > supported config. ;-) > > TVK > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: Troy Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:19 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > > > > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > > > Really? Its supported on Hyper-V, a piece of software that hasn't been > fully released yet? > > > > (currently running the RC and liking it, but nothing in production yet) > > > > -troy > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:56 PM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issue
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
Oh good Guu... Is there a feedback mechanism to New Horizons so they know this particular trainer isn¹t quite there for Exchange? On 4/30/08 7:36 AM, "David Lum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > New Horizons trainer at an Exchange 2007 class. Apparently he was mistaken eh? > > Dave Lum - Systems Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:27 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > Where did you get THIS guidance: ³My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended > to sit on a GC designated domain controller²? > > Let me know. If it¹s on a MSFT web page or an MVP¹s web page, I¹m sure I can > get that fixed. Cuz it¹s wrong. > > > Regards, > > Michael B. Smith > MCSE/Exchange MVP > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:47 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX > > So.if you virtualize Exchange 2007what other systems would you run on the > same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended > to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the > global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or > SQL server? Anything you WOULDN¹T have it share a host with? > > Dave Lum - Systems Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" > > > > > From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX > > Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a > few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on > ESX 3.5. > > You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A > properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't > speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance > hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your > current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and > memory. > > There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on > ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your > environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your > decision. > > -alex > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server > guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local > integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize > everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx > 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ > ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL > PROTECTED] ] > Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter > University of Southern California > 818-612-5112 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Exch2007 in ESX
He probably read it in Stanek's MS Press Pocket Consultant book. From: "Salvador Manzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:15 AM To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Oh good Guu... Is there a feedback mechanism to New Horizons so they know this particular trainer isn't quite there for Exchange? On 4/30/08 7:36 AM, "David Lum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: New Horizons trainer at an Exchange 2007 class. Apparently he was mistaken eh? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 " When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands " From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Where did you get THIS guidance: "My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller"? Let me know. If it's on a MSFT web page or an MVP's web page, I'm sure I can get that fixed. 'Cuz it's wrong. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX
I'd completely forgotten about that piece of ...well, you know. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX He probably read it in Stanek's MS Press Pocket Consultant book. _ From: "Salvador Manzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:15 AM To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Oh good Guu... Is there a feedback mechanism to New Horizons so they know this particular trainer isn't quite there for Exchange? On 4/30/08 7:36 AM, "David Lum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: New Horizons trainer at an Exchange 2007 class. Apparently he was mistaken eh? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Where did you get THIS guidance: "My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller"? Let me know. If it's on a MSFT web page or an MVP's web page, I'm sure I can get that fixed. 'Cuz it's wrong. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE When did **THAT** recommendation come down? I've been working with Exchange since it's Early Adopter days and when AD was brought into the mix, loading Exchange on a DC/GC or a plain DC was considered a BIG no no. John M. -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNCLASSIFIED)
These lists that come in by email are very good for learning, do any of you know of any other lists that come in by email like this? i.e Cisco, firewalls? Kind regards. Paul Cookman . On-site Engineer +44(0) 844 874 1000 . +44(0) 870 163 9001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . www.selection.co.uk This e-mail is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee only. Selection Services Plc accepts no liability for personal views expressed. While every effort has been made to ensure the attachments are virus-free, they must be checked before further use, especially those containing encrypted data. If you have any problems with this e-mail, please contact our IT Manager on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered in England and Wales Registered Number: 2758710 Registered Office: Provident House, 122 High Street, Bromley, Kent BR1 1EZ -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2008 04:53 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE When did **THAT** recommendation come down? I've been working with Exchange since it's Early Adopter days and when AD was brought into the mix, loading Exchange on a DC/GC or a plain DC was considered a BIG no no. John M. -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX Soif you virtualize Exchange 2007...what other systems would you run on the same ESX hosts, does it matter? My understanding Exchange 2K7 is recommended to sit on a GC designated domain controller (so it has quick access to the global catalog), but would it sit on the same box as say, an SMS, WSUS, or SQL server? Anything you WOULDN'T have it share a host with? Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" From: Alex Fontana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:14 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exch2007 in ESX Yes, currently four mailbox servers and six CAS/HT servers, working towards a few thousand mailboxes to be migrated in the next few weeks. All running on ESX 3.5. You should get new Dell server guys if they can't quantify that statement. A properly configured VM running on a properly configured ESX server (can't speak for Hyper-V) and properly sized should see no noticeable performance hit. Just as in the physical world you gotta make sure you understand your current environment and size accordingly, with emphasize on storage and memory. There are at least a couple of whitepapers on Exchange 2007 performance on ESX; HP and maybe Dell. I would say take a look at those, test in your environment with your type of workload and use that data to make your decision. -alex On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dennis Melahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone virtualized Exchange 2007? I'm getting mixed opinions. My Dell server guys are saying performance would suffer too much. I also have a local integrator who is a VMware and MS Gold Partner and says they virtualize everything and that because my information store is only about 25GB for approx 150 boxes I wouldn't have performance problems. Thoughts? Thanks, Dennis ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNRATED)
http://www.ask.com/web?q=cisco+mailing+list&qsrc=0&o=333&l=dir http://www.ask.com/web?qsrc=167&o=333&l=dir&q=firewall+mailing+list -Original Message- From: Paul Cookman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:46 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNRATED) These lists that come in by email are very good for learning, do any of you know of any other lists that come in by email like this? i.e Cisco, firewalls? Kind regards. Paul Cookman . On-site Engineer +44(0) 844 874 1000 . +44(0) 870 163 9001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] . www.selection.co.uk This e-mail is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee only. Selection Services Plc accepts no liability for personal views expressed. While every effort has been made to ensure the attachments are virus-free, they must be checked before further use, especially those containing encrypted data. If you have any problems with this e-mail, please contact our IT Manager on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered in England and Wales Registered Number: 2758710 Registered Office: Provident House, 122 High Street, Bromley, Kent BR1 1EZ -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2008 04:53 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exch2007 in ESX (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE re.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
