RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results. I renamed notifications.adb and scanjob.adb, then had to stop and start all Exchange services and also had to rebuild my blocked file extensions list. That did not fix the issue of all end users not receiving notifications. What did fix it was enabling File Recipients [external] under Notification Setup within the Antigen client administration program. In my case I think it has something to do with my firewall and SendMail program. That's all I can say at this moment. Also had an issue where I, as Admin, was not receiving notifications on Content Filtering. The notifications would get purged from The Outbox of the Antigen mailbox and never make it to me. Removing all filtered content from the Real Time Scan Job took care of that. Steve -Original Message-From: Vosswinkel, Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:25 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Steve, did you get the info on renaming the .adb files from Antigen? I am having a similar problem, but with only one user as far as I know, and Antigen support hasn't been able to figure out why so far. Kerry Vosswinkel Systems Manager Fort Lewis College -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.I can't speak for Trend, but I just installed Antigen last night. The installation was relatively painless, the file extensions to block have to be entered manually one by one, the auto update for the sigs works great, their support people so far have been very good, the subject line content filter works well but is very particular, it uses, in my case four different virus engines and it makes me coffee in the morning. OK. So it really doesn't make me coffee. The bad news is I'm having an issue with end users not receiving notifications of virus laden emails. Antigen is catching them and stripping the infected attachments but not notifying the recipients. I need to rename some Antigen .adb files then stop and start all services. Then enter all my file extensions by hand again (by the way, thank you Martin for the list). Guess who's going in real real early tomorrow. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://w
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results. Steve, did you get the info on renaming the .adb files from Antigen? I am having a similar problem, but with only one user as far as I know, and Antigen support hasn't been able to figure out why so far. Kerry Vosswinkel Systems Manager Fort Lewis College -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I can't speak for Trend, but I just installed Antigen last night. The installation was relatively painless, the file extensions to block have to be entered manually one by one, the auto update for the sigs works great, their support people so far have been very good, the subject line content filter works well but is very particular, it uses, in my case four different virus engines and it makes me coffee in the morning. OK. So it really doesn't make me coffee. The bad news is I'm having an issue with end users not receiving notifications of virus laden emails. Antigen is catching them and stripping the infected attachments but not notifying the recipients. I need to rename some Antigen .adb files then stop and start all services. Then enter all my file extensions by hand again (by the way, thank you Martin for the list). Guess who's going in real real early tomorrow. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results.
I
wished that too, and I "sort of" achieved it by removing the *.{*.*.*.*} and *.*
filters from the Internet scan job, but keeping them on the Realtime scan
job. Since most of the infections come from the outside, the virus scanner
will get to see them first. If the files are clean andmake it
through the Internet scan job the Realtime scan filter will pick them up, and
this keeps our internal coverage solid. I left all the other file filters
on both, which is why it only "sort of" achieves what I want, but it picks up
the majority of them. Seems to be working well, and gives me better
stats.
Kerry Vosswinkel Systems Manager Fort Lewis College
Durango CO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(970) 247-7345
-Original Message-From: Steve Hart
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:47
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: McAfee The
final Results.
I can't speak for or against Trend as I've never used
it.
OTOH, I installed Antigen a year and a half ago and I've loved
it. To my knowledge, we haven't recieved a single virus through company email
since.
The only thing I would change is that I wish files were
scanned for viruses before they were filtered by attachment type. I filter all
executables and Antigen doesn't give me a quick way to determine if a file is
a clean executable or a virus.
Steve
-Original Message- From:
Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE:
McAfee The final Results.
Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the
default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am
moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most
people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen?
dave
-Original Message- From:
Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE:
McAfee The final Results.
Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before
the move?
Steve Clark Clark Systems Support,
LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584
voice 240-465-0323
Efax
The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed
by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary
and privileged information and shall not be disclosed
or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC.
-Original Message- From:
Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee
The final Results.
Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend
OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would
post the results here.
Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite
having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files
installed on them. They were all set up to check for
new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the
viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow
got through GroupShield, and VirusScan!
I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you
didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields
for VirusScan to clean that one.
I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for
those using or thinking of using VirusScan.
John Majetic
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RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was having a problem where the sender and recipient field wasn't filled in correctly, not quite the same though. -Original Message-From: Vosswinkel, Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 11:25 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Steve, did you get the info on renaming the .adb files from Antigen? I am having a similar problem, but with only one user as far as I know, and Antigen support hasn't been able to figure out why so far. Kerry Vosswinkel Systems Manager Fort Lewis College -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.I can't speak for Trend, but I just installed Antigen last night. The installation was relatively painless, the file extensions to block have to be entered manually one by one, the auto update for the sigs works great, their support people so far have been very good, the subject line content filter works well but is very particular, it uses, in my case four different virus engines and it makes me coffee in the morning. OK. So it really doesn't make me coffee. The bad news is I'm having an issue with end users not receiving notifications of virus laden emails. Antigen is catching them and stripping the infected attachments but not notifying the recipients. I need to rename some Antigen .adb files then stop and start all services. Then enter all my file extensions by hand again (by the way, thank you Martin for the list). Guess who's going in real real early tomorrow. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results.Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Wimp... I let my users install them themselves. Adam. PS New abacuses being delivered next week Etch-A-Sketch for the advanced users, No Service Packs. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] HA! I install them first thing Monday morning before the users get in! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep like a baby over the weekend... -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Which version of Groupshield had you been using? MAPI /AVAPI / ESE scanning? Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 July 2002 22:07 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Yes. It was set to scan all files on all computers.It was also supposed to scan all attachments as well. John -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic
RE: McAfee The final Results.
If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Wow! Now there is a wonderful reference for McSlapme. I think CA should buy them. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection
RE: McAfee The final Results.
They tried to pull similar tactics on us too. I don't think our original contract was a lease either, but didn't bother to check it. I'd had many a problem with VirusSccan and NetShield so it made the decision to look at other software really easy. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC
RE: McAfee The final Results.
According to their sales rep you could purchase a perpetual license or whatever they called it that did not have to be renewed. So either it is not standard or we were being lied to in addition to getting pressed to cough up more $. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Probably the later -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. According to their sales rep you could purchase a perpetual license or whatever they called it that did not have to be renewed. So either it is not standard or we were being lied to in addition to getting pressed to cough up more $. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed
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They tried a similar tactic with me about a year ago. My response was No problem, it will be off as soon as my Trend Neat Suite shows up. Please don't call again. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584
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You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's
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Do I smell a www.clarksupport.com/whynotmcafee.htm coming? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Wow! Now there is a wonderful reference for McSlapme. I think CA should buy them. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask
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It ain't come yet ;-) - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 03 July 2002 16:16 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Do I smell a www.clarksupport.com/whynotmcafee.htm coming? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Wow! Now there is a wonderful reference for McSlapme. I think CA should buy them. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Options exist. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. According to their sales rep you could purchase a perpetual license or whatever they called it that did not have to be renewed. So either it is not standard or we were being lied to in addition to getting pressed to cough up more $. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Will it include Groupshield? -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Do I smell a www.clarksupport.com/whynotmcafee.htm coming? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Wow! Now there is a wonderful reference for McSlapme. I think CA should buy them. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I believe CA was the same. I could continue to run the current version, but no updates and no support. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter
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yes, and I went with Trend. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:26 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Options exist. -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. According to their sales rep you could purchase a perpetual license or whatever they called it that did not have to be renewed. So either it is not standard or we were being lied to in addition to getting pressed to cough up more $. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark
RE: McAfee The final Results.
that sounds right. they were telling us, however, that we couldn't continue to use our current versions... -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Sure, unfortunately I don't have the raw numbers of the virus's that Antigen found when I switched from group-no-shield. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Will it include Groupshield? -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Do I smell a www.clarksupport.com/whynotmcafee.htm coming? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Stephen J. Norton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Wow! Now there is a wonderful reference for McSlapme. I think CA should buy them. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is last time we paid. We have about the same number of users and they wanted something like $15k to renew our licensing. Our original pricing was comparable to yours. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I priced it out at CDW before my parent company bought it for all subsidiaries worldwide. The Trend Neat Suite, which includes, Client, Server, and Exchange versions, along with some other goodies, was about $7887 Plus $2000 a year for maintenance for 250 users through CDW. I think we paid about $8k for two years of McAfee last time we paid, by comparison. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:32 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing
RE: McAfee The final Results.
You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: Message I understand the situation as well. I think what is bothersome is their hard handed approach to it. Do it or go to jail attitude. This attitude of them has been in the press a number of times. Frankly it is difficult to want to maintain a business relationship when you are treated like this. If they knew how to write software, they could put a timer in it similar to what Norton does with their consumer products. You could update the lic file every couple of years and continue to get updates, or not. If you chose not to, you could continue to use the product, but have no current DAT files. -Original Message-From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:26 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called this time I didn't even ask the price I just told them to stuff it. They tried to do the same thing, and say they would report us a pirates. I would not do business with them if they were the last anti-virus company in the world. John Majetic -Original Message- From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I think the key phrase is "last time we paid"
RE: McAfee The final Results.
When we put Antigen on our server, it found a number of viruses that slipped right by Nortons, too. Karen Palmer SCJD Sure, unfortunately I don't have the raw numbers of the virus's that Antigen found when I switched from group-no-shield. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold off a division, so our user and server base went down to those numbers. Seriously half the users, and half the servers, for 1/3 less time, and it's only 1K cheaper! Can you say bend over? When they called
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Not the Superdat file... -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my boss, and the president, and basically said if we did not pay up in two weeks, the would report us a software pirates. My boss caved, and officially put us in a leasing arrangement. It was 7K for 8 servers, and 180 users, and it only covered us for 2 years. We had sold
RE: McAfee The final Results.
The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years of upgrade, and support options. I think we paid about 8K total for 19 servers, and 300 users. In three years McAfee called, and said we had to pay up, or take all the software off of our PCs. They said we only leased the software, not bought it. I faxed them the original contract, and no where in it was the word lease. They said it didn't matter. I told them to put it where the sun don't shine, and started looking for other vendors. The called both my
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. If they were the last antivirus software company on earth, you wouldn't even be allowed in line. This is standard. You do not own the software. It is not only in the contract, it is in the EULA. This is the same with the other antivirus vendors. You buy a usage term if you will. Yes, you should remove McAfee off all yor computers if you do not enter into a renewed term. Otherwise it is called stealing. A basic concept seemingly foreign to software users. You don't own Antigen either. You enter into a usage contract for 2 years at a time. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Well as I have stated before, when we first bought McAfee we did exactly that, we bought it, with three years
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied either when they sold it to me, or lied to me when they tried to resell it to me. Either way it is a bad way to do business, and therefore I suggest everyone to steer clear of them. John -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:18 AM To: MS
RE: McAfee The final Results.
You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able to upgrade to a new version after the software upgrade options ran out, but yes we would be licensed for whatever the most current version was at the end of the three years, and could continue using that version indefinitely. So they lied
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You may be right William. All I know is I asked my sales rep if I would have to pay again after three years, or did we own the software? He told me I wouldn't be able
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep like a baby over the weekend... -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license or they just refused to tell me about it. I finally had McAfee set me up with a new reseller. The new company sold me the perpetual for 20% less than our previous vendor had sold us a two-year. In either case, support is about $700/year. I believe that you need support to get current DAT files, but I'm not sure. I've been happy with McAfee on the desktop, but I'd never trust Exchange to it. Steve -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Old School Do you script the install so you can get some coffee while it runs? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. HA! I install them first thing Monday morning before the users get in! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep like a baby over the weekend... -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation: They sell a two-year license that is a two-year license. After that, you either renew or uninstall. A second choice is a perpetual license. A little more up front, but the license is perpetual. I found three resellers that either were clueless about the perpetual license
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Of course! I gots to have my coffee in the AM. No coffee = one pissed off engineer! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Old School Do you script the install so you can get some coffee while it runs? -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. HA! I install them first thing Monday morning before the users get in! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep like a baby over the weekend... -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. As I understand the McAfee license situation
RE: McAfee The final Results.
What's a service pack? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. HA! I install them first thing Monday morning before the users get in! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I install all my service packs on Friday at 5:30 so I can go home and sleep like a baby over the weekend... -Original Message- From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Testing? We don't need no steeenking testing!!! :P -Original Message- From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:41 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You're a brave man. I trust none of the anti-virus vendors enough for them to automatically install code on any machine with at least the most basic of testing. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I was doing the same thing originally. However, I got tired of downloading the thing and checking to see if it was avail then putting on all the networks I manage. Easier to script it and move on. In the 6 months or so that it's been in place, I've yet to have a problem with the DAT files (knock on something that looks like wood). Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Agreed, but it is easy enough to go out and download the superdat myself, test in on my own machine then make it available to the rest of the network users who get updated via the login script. Always nice to have another script availavle in the ol' toolbox though. Thanks. Larry -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. The only thing you get with the internal tool is the DAT file. This will download the SuperDAT and copy it to setup.exe. Once complete, you can update every PC logging into the server without going to the net for each and every one. Saves bandwith and provides 1 central spot for managing what version the systems will run. From: Kent, Larry SYNETICS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Why would you need to write a script when this option is available in any of the McAfee products, VirusScan, Netshield, Groupshield and WebShield? Larry Kent Network Administrator SBCCOM-Natick Natick, MA 01760 DSN 256-4981 Comm: (508) 233-4981 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. You do not need the support to download the updated DAT/ SuperDAT's. As a matter of policy, I create a script on each server that downloads the files from an anonymous FTP server at NAI. Check out the script if you're interested - it's on my scripts and tips page. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:26 PM To: MS
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I have seen the exact same results when moving from McAfee to OfficeScan and have seen similar but not as bad when moving from Norton to OfficeScan. The worst is when you see it is a computer that has been troublesome but never able to diagnose correctly. Good job on the move~ -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Maximum suckyness level. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Heheheh you don't really want to agitate the masses do you? ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN... Preston Jeffares - Antigen Cult Member Since 2000 Network Engineer Georgia Department of Motor Vehicle Safety [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
I can't speak for Trend, but I just installed Antigen last night. The installation was relatively painless, the file extensions to block have to be entered manually one by one, the auto update for the sigs works great, their support people so far have been very good, the subject line content filter works well but is very particular, it uses, in my case four different virus engines and it makes me coffee in the morning. OK. So it really doesn't make me coffee. The bad news is I'm having an issue with end users not receiving notifications of virus laden emails. Antigen is catching them and stripping the infected attachments but not notifying the recipients. I need to rename some Antigen .adb files then stop and start all services. Then enter all my file extensions by hand again (by the way, thank you Martin for the list). Guess who's going in real real early tomorrow. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Hey, it's better than Norton. That one swallows. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:18 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Maximum suckyness level. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
can you buy trend from any software var (insight,cdw)? what sort of pricing structure can you get. I have about 600 mailboxes. I like stirring up this nest because it makes my job easier to go upwards and get the ok to change from groupshield. dave -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Personally I use Trend. I have always had excellent experiences with it. I demo'd anitgen and while it is a great program, I found the interface to be kludgy. Also the fact that I have to enter the file extensions one at a time did not please me. Frankly, both are excellent products and you cant go wrong with eihter. -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Antigen. No comments from AB on this. Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: RE: McAfee The final Results. I can't speak for or against Trend as I've never used it. OTOH, I installed Antigen a year and a half ago and I've loved it. To my knowledge, we haven't recieved a single virus through company email since. The only thing I would change is that I wish files were scanned for viruses before they were filtered by attachment type. I filter all executables and Antigen doesn't give me a quick way to determine if a file is a clean executable or a virus. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Title: Message Trend is the same -Original Message-From: Steve Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:47 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: McAfee The final Results. I can't speak for or against Trend as I've never used it. OTOH, I installed Antigen a year and a half ago and I've loved it. To my knowledge, we haven't recieved a single virus through company email since. The only thing I would change is that I wish files were scanned for viruses before they were filtered by attachment type. I filter all executables and Antigen doesn't give me a quick way to determine if a file is a clean executable or a virus. Steve -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member "Who's watching your network?" www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Oh sorry... let me send you some more encouragement... In almost 3 years of Antigen... not one virus has made it through. -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Heheheh you don't really want to agitate the masses do you? ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN... Preston Jeffares - Antigen Cult Member Since 2000 Network Engineer Georgia Department of Motor Vehicle Safety [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Even though I have heard these sort of anecdotal stories for years about McCrappy, I have never doubted any of them. Welcome to the world du protection! -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm -- The information contained in this email message is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify Veronis Suhler Stevenson by telephone (212)935-4990, fax (212)381-8168, or email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and delete the message. Thank you. == List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: McAfee The final Results.
Antigen is the bomb!! Just install it and take it easy. -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:04 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Oh sorry... let me send you some more encouragement... In almost 3 years of Antigen... not one virus has made it through. -Original Message- From: Preston Jeffares Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Heheheh you don't really want to agitate the masses do you? ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN ANTIGEN... Preston Jeffares - Antigen Cult Member Since 2000 Network Engineer Georgia Department of Motor Vehicle Safety [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Yea I have to ask that question too just cause. I know the default is programs only. But hopefully this fall I am moveing away from mcafee to one of the two that most people mention for exchange. BWT which is better trend or antigen? dave -Original Message- From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: McAfee The final Results. Was McAfee set to scan all files on the PC originally before the move? Steve Clark Clark Systems Support, LLC AVIEN Charter Member Who's watching your network? www.clarksupport.com 301-610-9584 voice 240-465-0323 Efax The data furnished in connection with this document is deemed by Clark Systems Support, LLC., to contain proprietary and privileged information and shall not be disclosed or used for the benefit of others without the prior written permission of Clark Systems Support, LLC. -Original Message- From: Majetic, John RAME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:07 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: McAfee The final Results. Well I just got done replacing McAfee VirusScan with Trend OfficeScan on all my desktops, and I thought I would post the results here. Trend found 22 out of 84 computers had a virus on them despite having VirusScan with up to date (4209) data files installed on them. They were all set up to check for new dats automatically. Most had multiple infections, with one even having 6 different viruses on it. 90 percent of the viruses were Outlook based email viruses that somehow got through GroupShield, and VirusScan! I even saw several infections from KLEZ, and supposedly you didn't even have to be up to date on your DAT fields for VirusScan to clean that one. I just thought that this info was worth putting out there for those using or thinking of using VirusScan. John Majetic List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
