Re: POP

[Steve Ens]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=POP3+uses+which+port%3F


On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Lynden A. Philadelphia <
lphiladelp...@philadelphiagroup.com> wrote:

> I have my own Exchange Server; but I keep receiving error messages "Cannot
> log in. Verify your email address, user name 
>
> Is there ports I have to open on the firewall?
>
> 
> From: Martin Blackstone [mblackst...@gmail.com]
> Sent: July-21-11 8:09 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: POP
>
> You don’t need POP for BIS. It will query your OWA server.
> You can setup an acct on your carriers BIS site.
> Query Google for your carrier name and BIS. For example Verizon BIS.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lynden A. Philadelphia [mailto:lphiladelp...@philadelphiagroup.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:48 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: POP
>
> Do you have a document?
>
> Not sure what to put in for pop and smtp
>
>
> Lynden
> P THINK GREEN before you PRINT SCREEN
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: July-21-11 12:07 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: POP
>
> I'd say the best way is to use BIS which is native to BBs and IIRC mimics
> outlook web access. You just need the login credentials.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Lynden A. Philadelphia <
> lphiladelp...@philadelphiagroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have an SBS 2011 it works fine.
> >
> > I would like to receive and send e-mails on my blackberry and don’t want
> to setup BESX.
> >
> > I think the best way is to setup POP on my Blackberry.
> >
> > I have started the POP services on SBS 2011.
> >
> > What do I do next?
> >
> > HELP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: POP

[Lynden A. Philadelphia]

I have my own Exchange Server; but I keep receiving error messages "Cannot log 
in. Verify your email address, user name 

Is there ports I have to open on the firewall?


From: Martin Blackstone [mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: July-21-11 8:09 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP

You don’t need POP for BIS. It will query your OWA server.
You can setup an acct on your carriers BIS site.
Query Google for your carrier name and BIS. For example Verizon BIS.


-Original Message-
From: Lynden A. Philadelphia [mailto:lphiladelp...@philadelphiagroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:48 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP

Do you have a document?

Not sure what to put in for pop and smtp


Lynden
P THINK GREEN before you PRINT SCREEN

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: July-21-11 12:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: POP

I'd say the best way is to use BIS which is native to BBs and IIRC mimics 
outlook web access. You just need the login credentials.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Lynden A. Philadelphia 
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have an SBS 2011 it works fine.
>
> I would like to receive and send e-mails on my blackberry and don’t want to 
> setup BESX.
>
> I think the best way is to setup POP on my Blackberry.
>
> I have started the POP services on SBS 2011.
>
> What do I do next?
>
> HELP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
> confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader 
> of this message in not the intended recipient  or the employer or agent 
> responsible for delivering the message to the recipient, you are hereby 
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> Thank You.
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>
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RE: POP

[Martin Blackstone]

You don’t need POP for BIS. It will query your OWA server.
You can setup an acct on your carriers BIS site.
Query Google for your carrier name and BIS. For example Verizon BIS.


-Original Message-
From: Lynden A. Philadelphia [mailto:lphiladelp...@philadelphiagroup.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:48 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP

Do you have a document?

Not sure what to put in for pop and smtp


Lynden
P THINK GREEN before you PRINT SCREEN

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: July-21-11 12:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: POP

I'd say the best way is to use BIS which is native to BBs and IIRC mimics 
outlook web access. You just need the login credentials.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Lynden A. Philadelphia 
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have an SBS 2011 it works fine.
>
> I would like to receive and send e-mails on my blackberry and don’t want to 
> setup BESX.
>
> I think the best way is to setup POP on my Blackberry.
>
> I have started the POP services on SBS 2011.
>
> What do I do next?
>
> HELP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to 
> which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, 
> confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader 
> of this message in not the intended recipient  or the employer or agent 
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>
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RE: POP

[Lynden A. Philadelphia]

Do you have a document?

Not sure what to put in for pop and smtp


Lynden
THINK GREEN before you PRINT SCREEN

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: July-21-11 12:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: POP

I'd say the best way is to use BIS which is native to BBs and IIRC mimics 
outlook web access. You just need the login credentials.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Lynden A. Philadelphia 
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have an SBS 2011 it works fine.
>
> I would like to receive and send e-mails on my blackberry and don’t want to 
> setup BESX.
>
> I think the best way is to setup POP on my Blackberry.
>
> I have started the POP services on SBS 2011.
>
> What do I do next?
>
> HELP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,
> confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader 
> of this message in not the intended recipient  or the employer or agent 
> responsible for delivering the message to the recipient, you are hereby 
> notified that dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is 
> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please 
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> of its attachments.
>
> Thank You.
>
>
>
>
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Re: POP

[Jonathan Link]

I'd say the best way is to use BIS which is native to BBs and IIRC
mimics outlook web access. You just need the login credentials.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Lynden A. Philadelphia
 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have an SBS 2011 it works fine.
>
> I would like to receive and send e-mails on my blackberry and don’t want to 
> setup BESX.
>
> I think the best way is to setup POP on my Blackberry.
>
> I have started the POP services on SBS 2011.
>
> What do I do next?
>
> HELP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it 
> is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and 
> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message in 
> not the intended recipient
>  or the employer or agent responsible for delivering the message to the 
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>
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>
>
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RE: POP & IMAP during 2007/2010 coexistence

[Sobey, Richard A]

Nope, that's exactly the hard info I was looking for:

If the user's mailbox is on an Exchange 2007 Mailbox server, CAS-01 locates an 
Exchange 2007 Client Access server in the same Active Directory site as the 
user's Mailbox server, which may be in the same Active Directory site as 
CAS-01. CAS-01 proxies the request to the Client Access server.

I'm assuming the same applies for IMAP connections as it does for POP.

Thank you :)

From: bounce-9132279-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-9132279-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
B. Smith
Sent: 11 October 2010 15:57
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP & IMAP during 2007/2010 coexistence

I'm not certain that you can do what you want, but take a look at the 
InternalConnectionSettings parameter.

See also: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb310763.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:03 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP & IMAP during 2007/2010 coexistence

Morning all,

I hope someone can help me with this question. If a user who is accessing their 
mailbox via an Exchange 2010 SP1 CAS server has their mailbox stored on an 
Exchange 2007 SP2 mailbox server, is the request handled directly by the 2010 
server, or proxied/redirected to the 2007 server?

If it's redirected, where do I find the setting that says which server to 
redirect to?

The following Technet article suggests it's redirected, but no information on 
where to configure the legacy hostname, as you would do for OWA or ActiveSync:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd351133.aspx

All I've found so far is that the 2010 CAS server will let me access my 2007 
mailbox, but I'm repeatedly asked to authenticate at random intervals.

Thanks

Richard


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RE: POP & IMAP during 2007/2010 coexistence

[Michael B. Smith]

I'm not certain that you can do what you want, but take a look at the 
InternalConnectionSettings parameter.

See also: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb310763.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Sobey, Richard A [mailto:r.so...@imperial.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 5:03 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP & IMAP during 2007/2010 coexistence

Morning all,

I hope someone can help me with this question. If a user who is accessing their 
mailbox via an Exchange 2010 SP1 CAS server has their mailbox stored on an 
Exchange 2007 SP2 mailbox server, is the request handled directly by the 2010 
server, or proxied/redirected to the 2007 server?

If it's redirected, where do I find the setting that says which server to 
redirect to?

The following Technet article suggests it's redirected, but no information on 
where to configure the legacy hostname, as you would do for OWA or ActiveSync:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd351133.aspx

All I've found so far is that the 2010 CAS server will let me access my 2007 
mailbox, but I'm repeatedly asked to authenticate at random intervals.

Thanks

Richard


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RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

[Jay Dale]

The problem isn't receiving mail, it's sending it out.  I keep getting errors 
trying to use either SSL, TLS, Auto, or None in Outlook 2007.  When I finally 
turn off "My outgoing server requires authentication", it says that it can't 
send mail due to RBL policy.  When I turn it back on, I get the "none of the 
authentication methods supported by this client are supported by your server" 
message.  I get the same message when I change the encryption method to Auto, 
TLS, or SSL.

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From: Peter Johnson [mailto:peter.john...@peterstow.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

You could use the client connector which defaults to the secure POP3 port 
number and allows user authentication. Check the properties on the Client 
Receive Connector in Exchange Management Console.

Regards
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From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: 14 June 2010 16:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

Because it would become her primary account and she doesn't want to mess with 
her existing accounts...:(

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From: Peter Johnson [mailto:peter.john...@peterstow.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

I reckon e-mail over VPN is your only option. Why not go the RPC over HTTP 
route?

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0C65.EA4CE810]

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South Africa: +27 11 252 1100
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RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

[Peter Johnson]

You could use the client connector which defaults to the secure POP3 port 
number and allows user authentication. Check the properties on the Client 
Receive Connector in Exchange Management Console.

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0BE1.02AA3F50]

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From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: 14 June 2010 16:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

Because it would become her primary account and she doesn't want to mess with 
her existing accounts...:(

Jay Dale
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From: Peter Johnson [mailto:peter.john...@peterstow.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

I reckon e-mail over VPN is your only option. Why not go the RPC over HTTP 
route?

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0BE1.02AA3F50]

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RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

[Peter Johnson]

Then make her use the OWA interface!! She will come around soon enough!! :)
Regards
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From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: 14 June 2010 16:32
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

Because it would become her primary account and she doesn't want to mess with 
her existing accounts...:(

Jay Dale
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Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com<mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com>

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From: Peter Johnson [mailto:peter.john...@peterstow.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

I reckon e-mail over VPN is your only option. Why not go the RPC over HTTP 
route?

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0BE0.704F0DC0]

Peter Johnson
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RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

[Jay Dale]

Because it would become her primary account and she doesn't want to mess with 
her existing accounts...:(

Jay Dale
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From: Peter Johnson [mailto:peter.john...@peterstow.com]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:27 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

I reckon e-mail over VPN is your only option. Why not go the RPC over HTTP 
route?

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0BA4.6485BF20]

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From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: 14 June 2010 15:29
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP user & Exchange 2007

Hey all,

Currently using Exchange 2007 on SBS 2008 - I have a user that is a salesperson 
that's mobile.  She has multiple accounts with different clients, and she just 
was hired from our company, so I had to set her up as a POP3 account user 
rather than RPC over HTTPS.  Needless to say, I'm having issues with her 
sending out email through our server.  I attempted to change the Internet 
Receive connector for her to be able to send through it, but it basically made 
our server an open relay.

Since she moves around, I can't make a connector based on her IP address, so do 
I have to make her use email via VPN?  Is there any other options to configure 
on the server to allow her to send mail out?

Thanks,

Jay

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RE: POP user & Exchange 2007

[Peter Johnson]

I reckon e-mail over VPN is your only option. Why not go the RPC over HTTP 
route?

Regards
[cid:image001.jpg@01CB0BDE.5A310B80]

Peter Johnson
I.T Architect
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From: Jay Dale [mailto:jay.d...@3-gig.com]
Sent: 14 June 2010 15:29
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP user & Exchange 2007

Hey all,

Currently using Exchange 2007 on SBS 2008 - I have a user that is a salesperson 
that's mobile.  She has multiple accounts with different clients, and she just 
was hired from our company, so I had to set her up as a POP3 account user 
rather than RPC over HTTPS.  Needless to say, I'm having issues with her 
sending out email through our server.  I attempted to change the Internet 
Receive connector for her to be able to send through it, but it basically made 
our server an open relay.

Since she moves around, I can't make a connector based on her IP address, so do 
I have to make her use email via VPN?  Is there any other options to configure 
on the server to allow her to send mail out?

Thanks,

Jay

Jay Dale
I.T. Manager, 3GiG
Mobile: 713.299.2541
Email: jay.d...@3-gig.com

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RE: POP mail

[msharik]

2)  remove the SMTP 
address from the mailbox & mail sent to that address will 
NDR
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new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
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clothes so you'll be dressed in the morning." - Stephanie, age 8 
- 
-Original Message-From: Steve Ens 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:17 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
mail

Greetings
I have just rolled out our Exchange 
5.5 sp4 server on Windows 2000 (member server).  Everything is running fine.  The two things I cannot find any info on 
are:
    
1)When retrieving mail remotely using POP mail, 
the users can only use Outlook Express.  
Outlook does not work using the exact settings (including SPA).  Is there a setting on the Exchange 
server I need to change?  

    
2)When I get mail in to people who are no longer 
working here (no mailbox), is there a way I can have a message sent back or 
refused?  Some people sign up for so 
many lists, etc and get so much spam that I want to 
filter that out.  

Thanks
Steve
 
Steve 
Ens 
Information 
Technolgist
APTN
(204) 
947 9331 ext.238
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and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
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RE: pop mail

[msharik]

I am.  :-)

-Michèle
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Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
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already naked." 
-


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:44 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Are you saying, it's not the size of your 'shop', but what you do with it
that counts?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now."  

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!! 
-


-----Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies

RE: pop mail

[Micciche Robert]

Search for "Mail to Exchange".

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:58 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


POP3Gateway from JAK (www.jak.com).
 
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: pop mail
 
  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried popcon
but is there any others??
 
Thanks Gary Gregg
 

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[msharik]

special Bausch&Lombe Outlook COM add-in

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you can sing. 
-


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


How did you remove Contacts?  Isn't that a special folder?  Did you use the
Exchange client?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


My words are offensive???::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back
in, re-reads my email::

Um, how are they offensive??  I didn't curse; I didn't resort to
name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up.  I also didn't mention
anything about viral infection.

I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought
*that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are
offensive!!  [1]


[1] Hi, Don!  *Hug*

-Michèle
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Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
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What does this button do?  - Famous Last Words 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
---------


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Lefkovics, William]

How did you remove Contacts?  Isn't that a special folder?  Did you use the
Exchange client?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


My words are offensive???::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back
in, re-reads my email::

Um, how are they offensive??  I didn't curse; I didn't resort to
name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up.  I also didn't mention
anything about viral infection.

I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought
*that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are
offensive!!  [1]


[1] Hi, Don!  *Hug*

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
What does this button do?  - Famous Last Words 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
---------


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[msharik]

Thank you, Ben.  *Hug*

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
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I'm not stubborn and nothing you say can convince me that I am. 
-


-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:25 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't sweat it, Michèle.  No one else thinks you are offensive in any way.
Everyone that knows you would back up what you said.  Many others already
have.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, October 22, 2001 3:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:RE: pop mail

My words are offensive???::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back
in, re-reads my email::

Um, how are they offensive??  I didn't curse; I didn't resort to
name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up.  I also didn't mention
anything about viral infection.

I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought
*that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are
offensive!!  [1]


[1] Hi, Don!  *Hug*

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
What does this button do?  - Famous Last Words 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
-------------


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an ema

RE: pop mail

[Benjamin Winzenz]

Don't sweat it, Michèle.  No one else thinks you are offensive in any way.
Everyone that knows you would back up what you said.  Many others already
have.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Monday, October 22, 2001 3:19 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject:        RE: pop mail

My words are offensive???::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back
in, re-reads my email::

Um, how are they offensive??  I didn't curse; I didn't resort to
name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up.  I also didn't mention
anything about viral infection.

I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought
*that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are
offensive!!  [1]


[1] Hi, Don!  *Hug*

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
What does this button do?  - Famous Last Words 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
---------


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", t

RE: pop mail

[msharik]

My words are offensive???::removes contacts, cleans them, puts them back
in, re-reads my email::

Um, how are they offensive??  I didn't curse; I didn't resort to
name-calling; I didn't even get too worked up.  I also didn't mention
anything about viral infection.

I'm interested in knowing what was so offensive about that & if you thought
*that* was offensive, you must *really* think Don Ely's posts are
offensive!!  [1]


[1] Hi, Don!  *Hug*

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
What does this button do?  - Famous Last Words 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
-------------


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
    240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

Your words are offensive so I will try not to respond in kind.

Not all ISP's support ERTN. Not all offices have a domain or are interested
in a domain. Exchange does not require a domain and a lot of shops don't
have them. In order to get mail you make the choice:

1. Have all clients use POP mail and you take the RISK of infection as the
mail gets to the client BEFORE the mail gets into Exchange.
2. Use a POP connector on the server, scan mail before it gets to the client
and control the outbreaks.

You can preach all you want on your opinion of the connectors but there are
valid reasons to use them. 

Would I do the same thing today as has been done in the last few years, no.
Would I today deploy a POP connector today with the other tools available,
only as a last resort. Do I subscribe to the catchall phrase - all POP
connectors are crap. NO.

Your opinion differs, so we agree to disagree.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now." 

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!!
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-----
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
----- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome t

RE: pop mail

[Lefkovics, William]

Are you saying, it's not the size of your 'shop', but what you do with it
that counts?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now."  

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
HA HA HA HA!!! 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidentia

RE: pop mail

[msharik]

There is information here:  <http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>
about why POP connectors for Exchange are crap.

You say "It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years
so I'm comfortable with the product."  That's like saying, "I've run with
scissors for 20 years & have never gotten hurt, so I'm comfortable running
with them now."  

Why make your Exchange server behave like a client rather than a server?  If
your ISP won't do ETRN, have your mail hosted by someone who will, or get a
full-time internet connection & do your mail yourself.

PS:  Being a "small shop" is NOT an excuse.  My company is a small shop.  We
NEVER used a POP connector for Exchange - we used ETRN from our ISP before
we had a full-time internet connection.  Now that we have a FT connection,
we do our own email (with 2ndary MX support from ed-com.com).  Size of shop
is NEVER an excuse for doing things the wrong way.

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
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-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:06 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail


It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -----
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

It has worked very well in the offices for about the last 3 years so I'm
comfortable with the product. Agree that ETRN is the better solution and
have implemented as I can in the offices where the hosting partner supports
it.

On a side note, I sent an email to your contact at ed-com.com and never got
a response.

Thanks for the response.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:46 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
        301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail


  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Ch

Re: pop mail

[Missy Koslosky]

Well, if by "it does work" you mean "it does work when it does work, but
doesn't when it doesn't", that's the part I'm disagreeing with.

The reason for its use is silly too, but I understand that.  But finding a
provider that supports ETRN (ed-com.com comes to mind) is a better solution.

Missy
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-----Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail


  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

Which part don't you agree with - the fact that it does work or the reason
for it's use?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Missy Koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:23 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail


  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: pop mail

[Missy Koslosky]

They're crap.  William is correct.

- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail


  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Lefkovics, William]

Of course there are drawbacks, starting with the protocol.

You are right, though, it definitely depends on the company.  If you can
afford Exchange, get a real ISP.

All POP connectors are crap. 

When the email is delivered to the ISP mailbox, the 'envelope' is stripped.
The message is assumed to be at its final destination.  Information needed
for comprehensive NDR's from your Exchange server is long gone.

Data can go missing.  This is often a function of the email client that sent
the original message.

I realize some companies may accept these standards.  

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/21/01 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

Don't know what products you have used but my experience with
POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket
BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able
to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in
the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If
that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the
situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase
Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange
aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.


POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

Don't know what products you have used but my experience with POP3Gateway
from JAK has been much different. There are some drawbacks, but blanket BCC
is not one of them. The only issue I have ever had, and still have is a
message delivered BCC to a DL, will end up as a NDR. However, I was able to
overcome that by setting up a remap file that says if the recipient in the
TO or CC field, remap the mail to person [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that
rule fails, all NDR's (very few) are delivered to one person in the
organization who will forward or delete (mostly sales BS).

Bottom line - not all POP3 connectors are crap. It depends on the situation
and the requirements. Just as some companies can afford to purchase Backup
Exec w/the Exchange agent, other companies use NT Backup made Exchange aware
- it just depends on the company.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 3:21 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: pop mail

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops. 

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail


  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Lefkovics, William]

POP is a client protocol.  It doesn't hold the functionality that SMTP
delivered mail does.

In most environments, confidential email arriving BCC to the CEO should
actually go to the CEO.  How does your POP connector handle that?  POP
connectors don't operate well with many listservers, causing mail loops.  

POP connectors are crap.

William

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support
it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a
POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us
got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling
it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work. 

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail

 
  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

While I agree that ETRN is a great solution, some ISP's do not support it.
My ISP (major brand) is currently making changes to support it.

In several offices for the last 3 years, I have successfully deployed a POP3
connector from JAK with very few problems. It allows for mailboxes from
several different ISP's to be retrieved without user involvement.

It depends on your environment and requirements.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: pop mail

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work. 

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail

 
  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??

Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: pop mail

[Lefkovics, William]

There are several as already mentioned, but being a few thousand of us got
together and I was voted the one to ask:

Why would you want to denigrate your powerful Exchange server by calling it
an email client?  POP3 connectors don't even work.  

William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+, ExchangeMVP


-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: 10/20/01 5:10 AM
Subject: pop mail

  
  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon but is there any others??
 
Thanks Gary Gregg


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Joseph J Trombley]

Try POPBeamer. Used it for 
my last job after testing about 7 different products. It is very reliable and 
easier to configure. A lot of nice features like single or "catch all" 
retrieval. The link is below:
 
http://www.dataenter.co.at/products/popbeamer.htm

  -Original Message-From: Gary Gregg 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:11 
  AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: pop 
  mail 
  
    Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 
  collectors for exchange ive tried popcon but is there any 
  others??
   
  Thanks Gary 
Gregg

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: pop mail

[Bryan Chapman \(exchange_list\)]

popweasle, popbeamer
- Original Message -
From: "Clark, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: pop mail


> POP3Gateway from JAK (www.jak.com).
>
> Steve Clark
> Clark Systems Support, LLC
> AVIEN Charter Member
> "Who's watching your network?"
> www.clarksupport.com
>   301-610-9584 voice
>   240-465-0323 Efax
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gary Gregg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:11 AM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: pop mail
>
>   Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried
popcon
> but is there any others??
>
> Thanks Gary Gregg
>
>
> List Charter and FAQ at:
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
>
>


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: pop mail

[Greg Hamner]

I use Exchange pop3 by Kinesphere.  (www.exchangepop3.com 
).  It'e 
excellent and has lots of features.

Greg Hamner
IT/Network Administrator
ESI
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 







List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: pop mail

[Clark, Steve]

POP3Gateway from JAK (www.jak.com).
 
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original Message-
From: Gary Gregg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:11 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: pop mail
 
  Hi all does anyone know any pop 3 collectors for exchange ive tried popcon
but is there any others??
 
Thanks Gary Gregg
 

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Dave Vantine]

Edcom
181 Adams Mill Drive
Atlanta, GA 30044
PH (770) 921-7901
FX (770) 921-7920

Ed Woodrick  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amy Woodrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Amy is typically easier to reach 

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Do you have a contact email - the links on the site are blank.

Thanks.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:17 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

http://www.ed-com.com


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:20 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok - who's Ed? How can I contact?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

I likewise am using Ed as a backup smtp server and am likewise satisfied
with his cost. When our primary server is unavailable the backup server
begins queuing our mail until we are back online. The secondary smtp server
keeps retrying to automatically dequeue the mail until it is able to. The
whole operation is transparent to exchange.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway


Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us.

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?"
-

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?

Appreciate the granularity of the responses.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:

MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box

Have you personally deployed this?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

-Michèle
Immigration site: 

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

Do you have a contact email - the links on the site are blank.

Thanks.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:17 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

http://www.ed-com.com


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:20 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok - who's Ed? How can I contact?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

I likewise am using Ed as a backup smtp server and am likewise satisfied
with his cost. When our primary server is unavailable the backup server
begins queuing our mail until we are back online. The secondary smtp server
keeps retrying to automatically dequeue the mail until it is able to. The
whole operation is transparent to exchange.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway


Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us.

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?"
-

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?

Appreciate the granularity of the responses.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:

MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box

Have you personally deployed this?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1,
2000
-
-Original Message-----
From: 

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Dave Vantine]

http://www.ed-com.com


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:20 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok - who's Ed? How can I contact?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

I likewise am using Ed as a backup smtp server and am likewise satisfied
with his cost. When our primary server is unavailable the backup server
begins queuing our mail until we are back online. The secondary smtp server
keeps retrying to automatically dequeue the mail until it is able to. The
whole operation is transparent to exchange.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway


Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us. 

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?"
-

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?

Appreciate the granularity of the responses.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:

MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box

Have you personally deployed this?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1,
2000
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
I don't think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies.
Of course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be
appropriate.

Thanks for the info -

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

Ok - who's Ed? How can I contact?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Dave Vantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

I likewise am using Ed as a backup smtp server and am likewise satisfied
with his cost. When our primary server is unavailable the backup server
begins queuing our mail until we are back online. The secondary smtp server
keeps retrying to automatically dequeue the mail until it is able to. The
whole operation is transparent to exchange.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway


Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us. 

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?"
-

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?

Appreciate the granularity of the responses.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:

MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box

Have you personally deployed this?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1,
2000
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
I don't think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies.
Of course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be
appropriate.

Thanks for the info -

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchang

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Dave Vantine]

I likewise am using Ed as a backup smtp server and am likewise satisfied
with his cost. When our primary server is unavailable the backup server
begins queuing our mail until we are back online. The secondary smtp server
keeps retrying to automatically dequeue the mail until it is able to. The
whole operation is transparent to exchange.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway


Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us.  

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com 
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- 
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?" 
- 

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?
 
Appreciate the granularity of the responses.
 
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
 
that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.
 
-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com 
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- 
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes 
- 
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:
 
MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server
 
When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box
 
Have you personally deployed this?
 
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
 
check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm
 
-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com 
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- 
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1,
2000 
- 
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
I don't think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies. 
Of course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be
appropriate.
 
Thanks for the info - 
 
Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
 
> I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to
not use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?
Did you go look at the link I gave you?  There's a link there to this:
ht

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

Ok - thanks.

I think what I'll try (Paul - are you reading all this as well?) is to kill
the POP3 config. After downloading the Dequeue utility, set up the same
routine where POP3 runs every 30 minutes (just in case) to pull mail.

Thanks for the detailed help.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:24 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: FW: POP Exchange Gateway

Our 2ndary MX record is set to a 3rd party's server - we pay them for this -
and we don't have any ETRN or anything configured.  It resends any mail it
receives to us. 

Could've been our ISP, but they wanted too much $ for it.

Ed Woodrick was kind enough to offer his services at a fraction of the cost.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but if we
have nothing to fear but fear itself, why does Elanore Roosevelt wear that
spooky mask?"
-

-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:12 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Ok, that's the part I don't get. I have a permanent connection but at times
it floats up/ down. Do you still have this configured now - if so, what are
you setting the dequeue time to?

Appreciate the granularity of the responses.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:09 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

that is exactly what we did until we got a permanent connection to the
internet.  we operated this way for approx 6 months.

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." -
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to
pay his taxes
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
So from what I've read, here's the short list:

MX1 points to local Exchange server
MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting
When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers
to local Ex box

Have you personally deployed this?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

check this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com
Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk
-
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1,
2000
-
-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway
I don't think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies.
Of course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be
appropriate.

Thanks for the info -

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
"Who's watching your network?"
www.clarksupport.com
  301-610-9584 voice
  240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

> I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to
not use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?
Did you

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

that is exactly what we did 
until we got a permanent connection to the internet.  we operated this way 
for approx 6 months.
 -MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our 
new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- "I haven't 
committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." - David Dinkins, 
New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to pay his taxes 
- 
-Original Message-From: Clark, Steve 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP Exchange 
Gateway

So from 
what I’ve read, here’s the short list:
 
MX1 
points to local Exchange server
MX2 
point to ISP Exchange server
 
When MX1 
is not avail, mail remains on ISP server 
waiting
When 
broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers to local 
Ex box
 
Have you 
personally deployed this?
 
Steve 
Clark
Clark 
Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN 
Charter Member
“Who's 
watching your network?”
www.clarksupport.com
  
301-610-9584 voice
  
240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
 
check 
this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm
 
-MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our 
new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- "If you do 
unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1, 2000 
- 

-Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
I don’t 
think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies. 

Of 
course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be 
appropriate.
 
Thanks 
for the info – 
 
Steve 
Clark
Clark 
Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN 
Charter Member
“Who's 
watching your network?”
www.clarksupport.com
  
301-610-9584 voice
  
240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
 
> I looked into this a 
ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native 
form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you 
misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration 
on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?
Did you go look at the link I 
gave you?  There's a link there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm  
specifically, 
Dial-on-Demand Router 
IssuesSolutions if you have a dial-on-demand 
router that connects to your ISP 
ISP 
IssuesFAQ 
about how to deal with your ISP who may or may not be running 
Exchange 
 
> 
Tiggercam?
 
Yes.  For all 
your Tigger needs.
-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-I'll 
get a world record for this.. - Famous Last 
Words--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayI looked into this a ways back and was told 
by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to notuse ETRN in it's native form. Why do you 
suppose?What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using 
ETRN?Tiggercam?Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, 
LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 2:18 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No 
POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.1st MX record = your mail server2nd MX 
record = your ISP's mail serverperiodically, your mail server dials into 
the internet & issues an ETRNcommand to your ISP's mail server, which 
sucks down the mail which is thendistributed.  (While your mail server 
is connected to the internet, itaccepts incoming SMTP mail 
directly.)POP3Gateways = BAD<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

(gee, that sounds 
familiar!)  Yes and yes.  It works great.
 -MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our 
new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- "I haven't 
committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law." - David Dinkins, 
New York City Mayor, answering accusation that he failed to pay his taxes 
- 
-Original Message-From: Clark, Steve 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 3:00 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP Exchange 
Gateway

So from 
what I’ve read, here’s the short list:
 
MX1 
points to local Exchange server
MX2 
point to ISP Exchange server
 
When MX1 
is not avail, mail remains on ISP server 
waiting
When 
broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and delivers to local 
Ex box
 
Have you 
personally deployed this?
 
Steve 
Clark
Clark 
Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN 
Charter Member
“Who's 
watching your network?”
www.clarksupport.com
  
301-610-9584 voice
  
240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:34 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
 
check 
this one out, too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm
 
-MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our 
new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- "If you do 
unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1, 2000 
- 

-Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
I don’t 
think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies. 

Of 
course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be 
appropriate.
 
Thanks 
for the info – 
 
Steve 
Clark
Clark 
Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN 
Charter Member
“Who's 
watching your network?”
www.clarksupport.com
  
301-610-9584 voice
  
240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
 
> I looked into this a 
ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native 
form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you 
misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration 
on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?
Did you go look at the link I 
gave you?  There's a link there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm  
specifically, 
Dial-on-Demand Router 
IssuesSolutions if you have a dial-on-demand 
router that connects to your ISP 
ISP 
IssuesFAQ 
about how to deal with your ISP who may or may not be running 
Exchange 
 
> 
Tiggercam?
 
Yes.  For all 
your Tigger needs.
-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-I'll 
get a world record for this.. - Famous Last 
Words--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayI looked into this a ways back and was told 
by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to notuse ETRN in it's native form. Why do you 
suppose?What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using 
ETRN?Tiggercam?Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, 
LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 2:18 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No 
POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.1st MX record = your mail server2nd MX 
record = your ISP's mail serverperiodically, your mail server dials into 
the internet & issues an ETRNcommand to your ISP's mail server, which 
sucks down the mail which is thendistributed.  (While your mail server 
is connected to the internet, itaccepts incoming SMTP mail 
directly.)POP3Gateways = BAD<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-You 
don't stop laughing because you grow

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

So from what I’ve read, here’s the short list:

 

MX1 points to local Exchange server

MX2 point to ISP Exchange server

 

When MX1 is not avail, mail remains on ISP server waiting

When broadband returns, a dequeue process removes mail from ISP and
delivers to local Ex box

 

Have you personally deployed this?

 

Steve Clark

Clark Systems Support, LLC

AVIEN Charter Member

“Who's watching your network?”

www.clarksupport.com

  301-610-9584
voice

  240-465-0323
Efax

 

-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001
2:34 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

 

check
this one out, too:

http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm

 

-Michèle
Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com

Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley

Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk

- 
"If you do unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney,
June 1, 2000 
- 

-Original
Message-
From: Clark, Steve
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001
2:32 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

I don’t think I would have misunderstood 3 different
companies. 

Of course not, I will now though. Consider myself
slapped would be appropriate.

 

Thanks for the info – 

 

Steve Clark

Clark Systems Support, LLC

AVIEN Charter Member

“Who's watching your network?”

www.clarksupport.com

  301-610-9584
voice

  240-465-0323
Efax

 

-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001
2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

 

> I looked into this a ways back and
was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native form. Why do
you suppose?

Maybe you misunderstood
them?

> What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to
pull using ETRN?

Did you go look at the link I gave
you?  There's a link there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm 
specifically, 

Dial-on-Demand Router Issues
Solutions if you have a dial-on-demand router that connects to your ISP 

ISP Issues
FAQ about how to deal with your ISP who
may or may not be running Exchange 

 

>
Tiggercam?

 

Yes. 
For all your Tigger needs.



-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
I'll get a world record for this.. - Famous Last Words
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not
use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?

What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?

Tiggercam?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
    301-610-9584 voice
    240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No POP3Gateway.  Just
ETRN.

1st MX record = your mail server
2nd MX record = your ISP's mail server

periodically, your mail server dials into the internet & issues an ETRN
command to your ISP's mail server, which sucks down the mail which is then
distributed.  (While your mail server is connected to the internet, it
accepts incoming SMTP mail directly.)

POP3Gateways = BAD

<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you
stopped laughing.
-


-Original Message-----
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


You do in essence. However, you still need something to pop the mailbox on
the ISP - that's where POP3 comes in.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
    301-610-9584 voice
    240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 200

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

check this one out, 
too:
http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp_roughcut.htm
 -MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our 
new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley 
Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk 
- "If you do 
unusual things expect unusual problems." Patrick Sweeney, June 1, 2000 
- 
-Original Message-From: Clark, Steve 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:32 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP Exchange 
Gateway

I don’t 
think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies. 

Of 
course not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be 
appropriate.
 
Thanks 
for the info – 
 
Steve 
Clark
Clark 
Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN 
Charter Member
“Who's 
watching your network?”
www.clarksupport.com
  
301-610-9584 voice
  
240-465-0323 Efax
 
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:29 
PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway
 
> I looked into this a 
ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native 
form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you 
misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration 
on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?
Did you go look at the link I 
gave you?  There's a link there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm  
specifically, 
Dial-on-Demand Router 
IssuesSolutions if you have a dial-on-demand 
router that connects to your ISP 
ISP 
IssuesFAQ 
about how to deal with your ISP who may or may not be running 
Exchange 
 
> 
Tiggercam?
 
Yes.  For all 
your Tigger needs.
-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-I'll 
get a world record for this.. - Famous Last 
Words--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayI looked into this a ways back and was told 
by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to notuse ETRN in it's native form. Why do you 
suppose?What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using 
ETRN?Tiggercam?Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, 
LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 2:18 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No 
POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.1st MX record = your mail server2nd MX 
record = your ISP's mail serverperiodically, your mail server dials into 
the internet & issues an ETRNcommand to your ISP's mail server, which 
sucks down the mail which is thendistributed.  (While your mail server 
is connected to the internet, itaccepts incoming SMTP mail 
directly.)POP3Gateways = BAD<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-You 
don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because youstopped 
laughing.--Original 
Message-----From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayYou do in essence. However, you still need 
something to pop the mailbox onthe ISP - that's where POP3 comes 
in.Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 1:55 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange GatewayArgh!!  Why not use ETRN in this 
scenario?!?-MichèleImmigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-Needing 
someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the firsttime you 
need him, chances are you won't be needing him 
again.----------Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayPaul,May I suggest

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

I don’t
think I would have misunderstood 3 different companies. 

Of course
not, I will now though. Consider myself slapped would be appropriate.

 

Thanks for
the info – 

 

Steve Clark

Clark Systems Support, LLC

AVIEN Charter Member

“Who's watching your network?”

www.clarksupport.com

  301-610-9584
voice

  240-465-0323
Efax

 

-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001
2:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

 

> I looked into this a ways back and
was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native form. Why do
you suppose?

Maybe you
misunderstood them?

> What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to
pull using ETRN?

Did you go look at the link I gave
you?  There's a link there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm 
specifically, 

Dial-on-Demand Router Issues
Solutions if you have a dial-on-demand router that connects to your ISP 

ISP Issues
FAQ about how to deal with your ISP who
may or may not be running Exchange 

 

>
Tiggercam?

 

Yes. 
For all your Tigger needs.



-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
I'll get a world record for this.. - Famous Last Words
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not
use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?

What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?

Tiggercam?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
    301-610-9584 voice
    240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No POP3Gateway.  Just
ETRN.

1st MX record = your mail server
2nd MX record = your ISP's mail server

periodically, your mail server dials into the internet & issues an ETRN
command to your ISP's mail server, which sucks down the mail which is then
distributed.  (While your mail server is connected to the internet, it
accepts incoming SMTP mail directly.)

POP3Gateways = BAD

<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you
stopped laughing.
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


You do in essence. However, you still need something to pop the mailbox on
the ISP - that's where POP3 comes in.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
    301-610-9584 voice
    240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:55 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

Argh!!  Why not use ETRN in this scenario?!?

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
Needing someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the first
time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again.
-


-----Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

Title: 



> I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as 
well as PSS to not use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?
Maybe you misunderstood them?
> What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using 
ETRN?
Did you go look at the link I gave you?  There's a link 
there to this: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_smtp.htm  
specifically, 
Dial-on-Demand Router 
IssuesSolutions if 
you have a dial-on-demand router that connects to your ISP 
ISP IssuesFAQ about how to deal with your ISP who may or may not be running 
Exchange 
 
> Tiggercam?
 
Yes.  For all your Tigger needs.
-MichèleImmigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-I'll 
get a world record for this.. - Famous Last 
Words--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 2:22 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayI looked into this a ways back and was told 
by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to notuse ETRN in it's native form. Why do you 
suppose?What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using 
ETRN?Tiggercam?Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, 
LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 2:18 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange Gateway???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No 
POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.1st MX record = your mail server2nd MX 
record = your ISP's mail serverperiodically, your mail server dials into 
the internet & issues an ETRNcommand to your ISP's mail server, which 
sucks down the mail which is thendistributed.  (While your mail server 
is connected to the internet, itaccepts incoming SMTP mail 
directly.)POP3Gateways = BAD<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>-MichèleImmigration 
site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-You 
don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because youstopped 
laughing.--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayYou do in essence. However, you still need 
something to pop the mailbox onthe ISP - that's where POP3 comes 
in.Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 
September 21, 2001 1:55 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
Exchange GatewayArgh!!  Why not use ETRN in this 
scenario?!?-MichèleImmigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>Our 
new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>Tiggercam:  
<http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>-Needing 
someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the firsttime you 
need him, chances are you won't be needing him 
again.--Original 
Message-From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
RE: POP Exchange GatewayPaul,May I suggest - I have small 
offices and DSL service. Since DSL is ratherunstable, the MX record in the 
zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) andthen to the ISP (MX2). That way 
when the DSL is too busy or not avail, themail still dumps to the ISP. 
That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.Since small offices can not 
afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.Using POP3, I forward all mail 
from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.Using a scheduler, pull all the 
email from the single pop3 mailbox anddistribute to Exchange.I 
realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some realproblems 
with other pull products and found that mail just simply not getdelivered. 
POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best 
productavail.Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the 
investment.If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me 
direct.Steve ClarkClark Systems Support, LLCAVIEN Charter 
Memberwww.clarksupport.com    
301-610-9584 voice    240-465-0323 
Efax-Original Message-From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 
Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

I looked into this a ways back and was told by 2 ISP's as well as PSS to not
use ETRN in it's native form. Why do you suppose?

What's the configuration on EX 5.5 to pull using ETRN?

Tiggercam?

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:18 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.

1st MX record = your mail server
2nd MX record = your ISP's mail server

periodically, your mail server dials into the internet & issues an ETRN
command to your ISP's mail server, which sucks down the mail which is then
distributed.  (While your mail server is connected to the internet, it
accepts incoming SMTP mail directly.)

POP3Gateways = BAD

<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm>

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you
stopped laughing.
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


You do in essence. However, you still need something to pop the mailbox on
the ISP - that's where POP3 comes in.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:55 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

Argh!!  Why not use ETRN in this scenario?!?

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
Needing someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the first
time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again.
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some real
problems with other pull products and found that mail just simply not get
delivered. POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best product
avail.

Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the investment.

If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me direct.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

???  If you use ETRN you don't need POP.  No POP3Gateway.  Just ETRN.

1st MX record = your mail server
2nd MX record = your ISP's mail server

periodically, your mail server dials into the internet & issues an ETRN
command to your ISP's mail server, which sucks down the mail which is then
distributed.  (While your mail server is connected to the internet, it
accepts incoming SMTP mail directly.)

POP3Gateways = BAD

<http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm> 

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you
stopped laughing. 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


You do in essence. However, you still need something to pop the mailbox on
the ISP - that's where POP3 comes in.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:55 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

Argh!!  Why not use ETRN in this scenario?!?

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
Needing someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the first
time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again.
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some real
problems with other pull products and found that mail just simply not get
delivered. POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best product
avail.

Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the investment.

If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me direct.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

You do in essence. However, you still need something to pop the mailbox on
the ISP - that's where POP3 comes in.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:55 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway

Argh!!  Why not use ETRN in this scenario?!?

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
Needing someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the first
time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again.
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some real
problems with other pull products and found that mail just simply not get
delivered. POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best product
avail.

Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the investment.

If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me direct.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[msharik]

Argh!!  Why not use ETRN in this scenario?!?

-Michèle
Immigration site:  <http://LadySun1969.tripod.com>
Our new 2001 Miata:  <http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley>
Tiggercam:  <http://www.tiggercam.co.uk>
-
Needing someone is like needing a parachute: if he isn't there the first
time you need him, chances are you won't be needing him again. 
-


-Original Message-
From: Clark, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:34 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP Exchange Gateway


Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some real
problems with other pull products and found that mail just simply not get
delivered. POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best product
avail.

Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the investment.

If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me direct.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

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RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clark, Steve]

Paul,

May I suggest - I have small offices and DSL service. Since DSL is rather
unstable, the MX record in the zone file points to the Netscreen (MX1) and
then to the ISP (MX2). That way when the DSL is too busy or not avail, the
mail still dumps to the ISP. That's where the POP3Gateway (JAK) comes in.
Since small offices can not afford the T-1 line, I have to build backups.
Using POP3, I forward all mail from domain.com to another POP3 mailbox.
Using a scheduler, pull all the email from the single pop3 mailbox and
distribute to Exchange.

I realize that POP3 is $$. But, it's very reliable. I've had some real
problems with other pull products and found that mail just simply not get
delivered. POP3 also has it's problems - but I believe it's the best product
avail.

Small Business Edition is only $400. It's worth the investment.

If you want to discuss further, please feel free to email me direct.

Steve Clark
Clark Systems Support, LLC
AVIEN Charter Member
www.clarksupport.com
301-610-9584 voice
240-465-0323 Efax

-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Kevin Miller]

Popbeamer is the one I have used the most that worked the best. There is
a gateway connector thingie in SBS that works pretty well. No clue where
to get that one?x

Kevinm WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway


Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm


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http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Drewski]

why not just switch to a new ISP, change the MX records and DNS info, and
have the Exchange server query properly?

Drew

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other. (Mother Theresa)

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-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway


Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm



List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP Exchange Gateway

[Clayton]

Why not create rules to forward mails to the specific pop accounts on
the ISP server?

Clayton Doige 
IT Manager MCSE, MCP + I
Gameday International N.V. 
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: September 20, 2001 3:46 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP Exchange Gateway

Hello All,

I have a small dilemma with a client. Because of the WTC tragedy, this
client of mine has lost Phone & Inet service. They need to have some
form of communication so we are trying to work on at least getting them
email access. There web host can provide them with POP accounts, there
server already has a modem attached to it, someone suggested using some
sort of Exchange POP gateway. I have never used one of those POP
gateways for Exchange but that is one alternative I have to look into
for them. Can someone recommend some apps that perform the functionality
of going out to POP3 servers and being able to route the mail received
to a Exchange mailbox or preferably the appropriate mailboxes. I was
told of an app called pop3gateway but the price is outrageous,
especially for around 8 users. Are there any cheaper, or even free
alternatives that I can look into. Your help would be appreciated. TIA!

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Lefkovics, William]

Title: Message



I 
usually check my answers with Mr Miller before I post.
 
William Lefkovics, WLKMMAS
 
 
-Original Message-From: Kevin Miller 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
2001 3:38 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
access to email
on the 
client side you can have all the folders you want. when you connect to the 
server from the client you see nothing but the root inbox folder. that is it 
with pop3.
 
MR. 
Lefkovics, as always is right. but don't tell him it will go to his 
head.

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 
  September 06, 2001 5:50 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  I've 
  always thought that to be a limitation of the protocol.  Perhaps I am 
  mistaken.
   
  I've 
  long switched to IMAP.
   
  http://www.imap.org/papers/imap.vs.pop.brief.html
   
  William
   
   
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
  2001 2:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
  access to email
  William 
  -
   
  Was 
  rereading your response and just noticed the second line 
  
  
  POP 
  doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
   
  Is that just in Exchange POP?  
  
   
  I have always had multiple subfolders below my inbox 
  on the old POP server we are moving off 
of.
   
  Thanks.
   
   
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  One night I walked home 
  very late and fell asleep in somebody's satellite dish. My dreams were showing 
  up on TV's all over the world. -- Steven Wright 
  

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:29 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
If 
these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
 
POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, 
either.
 
Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
WindowsRG:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
William
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RE: POP access to email

[Kevin Miller]

Title: Message



on the 
client side you can have all the folders you want. when you connect to the 
server from the client you see nothing but the root inbox folder. that is it 
with pop3.
 
MR. 
Lefkovics, as always is right. but don't tell him it will go to his 
head.

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 
  September 06, 2001 5:50 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  I've 
  always thought that to be a limitation of the protocol.  Perhaps I am 
  mistaken.
   
  I've 
  long switched to IMAP.
   
  http://www.imap.org/papers/imap.vs.pop.brief.html
   
  William
   
   
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 
  2001 2:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
  access to email
  William 
  -
   
  Was 
  rereading your response and just noticed the second line 
  
  
  POP 
  doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
   
  Is that just in Exchange POP?  
  
   
  I have always had multiple subfolders below my inbox 
  on the old POP server we are moving off 
of.
   
  Thanks.
   
   
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  One night I walked home 
  very late and fell asleep in somebody's satellite dish. My dreams were showing 
  up on TV's all over the world. -- Steven Wright 
  

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:29 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
If 
these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
 
POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, 
either.
 
Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
WindowsRG:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
William
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
POP access to email
Thanks 
William - 
 
I was 
looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
leave such a big hole.
 
If I can 
allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
 
Appreciate the help.
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No question is so 
difficult as that to which the answer is obvious. 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  It's not *bad* practice.
   
  It's one of the client options.
   
  You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow 
  SMTP from the same POP clients. 
   
  Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
  protocol.
   
  William
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
  POP access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a 
  bad practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
  now. 
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
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RE: POP access to email

[Lefkovics, William]

Title: Message



I've 
always thought that to be a limitation of the protocol.  Perhaps I am 
mistaken.
 
I've 
long switched to IMAP.
 
http://www.imap.org/papers/imap.vs.pop.brief.html
 
William
 
 
 
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 
2:45 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP access 
to email
William 
-
 
Was 
rereading your response and just noticed the second line 


POP 
doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
 
Is that just in Exchange POP?  

 
I have always had multiple subfolders below my inbox 
on the old POP server we are moving off of.
 
Thanks.
 
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

One night I walked home 
very late and fell asleep in somebody's satellite dish. My dreams were showing 
up on TV's all over the world. -- Steven Wright 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:29 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  If 
  these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
  client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
   
  POP 
  doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
   
  Not 
  that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
  WindowsRG:
  
  http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
  William
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  POP access to email
  Thanks 
  William - 
   
  I was 
  looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
  missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
  leave such a big hole.
   
  If I can 
  allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
   
  Appreciate 
  the help.
   
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  No question is so 
  difficult as that to which the answer is obvious. 
  

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
It's not *bad* practice.
 
It's one of the client options.
 
You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow 
SMTP from the same POP clients. 
 
Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
protocol.
 
William
 
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
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RE: POP access to email

[Zangara, Jim]

Title: Message



William 
-
 
Was 
rereading your response and just noticed the second line 


POP 
doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
 
Is that just in Exchange POP?  

 
I have always had multiple subfolders below my inbox 
on the old POP server we are moving off of.
 
Thanks.
 
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

One night I walked home 
very late and fell asleep in somebody's satellite dish. My dreams were showing 
up on TV's all over the world. -- Steven Wright 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:29 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  If 
  these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
  client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
   
  POP 
  doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
   
  Not 
  that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
  WindowsRG:
  
  http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
  William
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  POP access to email
  Thanks 
  William - 
   
  I was 
  looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
  missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
  leave such a big hole.
   
  If I can 
  allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
   
  Appreciate 
  the help.
   
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  No question is so 
  difficult as that to which the answer is obvious. 
  

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
    IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
It's not *bad* practice.
 
It's one of the client options.
 
You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow 
SMTP from the same POP clients. 
 
Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
protocol.
 
William
 
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
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RE: POP access to email

[John Allhiser]

That was the precursor to the iPaq, which some currently use to access POP3.

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer
Business Men's Assurance 


-Original Message-
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email


hPaq?

> -Original Message-
> From: missy koslosky [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:23 PM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  Re: POP access to email
> 
> That's Humpaq to you.
>  
> Missy Koslosky
> Tech Consultant
> Humpaq Computer Corp.
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: John Allhiser <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:13 PM
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
> 
>   I already have it running on my Hewlettcompaqard Desktop Server.
>
> 
>   John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
>   Network Engineer
>   Business Men's Assurance
>   
>   
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>           Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:29 PM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   If these clients are in the office sometimes and away other
> times, there is a client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
>
>   POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
>
>   Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to
> WindowsRG:
>   
> <http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf>
> 
>   William
> 
>   -Original Message-
>       From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:17 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   Thanks William - 
>
>   I was looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I
> was thinking it missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image
> that anti-gen would leave such a big hole.
>
>   If I can allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
>
>   Appreciate the help.
>
> 
>   Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
>   Special Projects Engineer 
>   Premiere Radio Networks 
>   A Division of Clear Channel Communications 
>   15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 
>   Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 
>   Direct: (818) 461-8620 
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> 
>   No question is so difficult as that to which the answer is
> obvious. 
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Lefkovics, William
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:16 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   It's not *bad* practice.
>
>   It's one of the client options.
>
>   You must properly secure your server against relay
> should you allow SMTP from the same POP clients. 
>
>   Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client
> protocol.
>
>   William
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Zangara, Jim
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:08 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: POP access to email
>   
>   
> 
>   I remember reading on here many months ago that it
> is a bad practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
> 
>   I cannot remember why and I am running that battle
> now. 
> 
>   I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
> 
>   Can someone point me in the right direction? 
> 
>   Jim 
> 
>

RE: POP access to email

[Schwartz, Jim]

hPaq?

> -Original Message-
> From: missy koslosky [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:23 PM
> To:   MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject:  Re: POP access to email
> 
> That's Humpaq to you.
>  
> Missy Koslosky
> Tech Consultant
> Humpaq Computer Corp.
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: John Allhiser <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>       Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:13 PM
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
> 
>   I already have it running on my Hewlettcompaqard Desktop Server.
>
> 
>   John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
>   Network Engineer
>   Business Men's Assurance
>   
>   
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:29 PM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   If these clients are in the office sometimes and away other
> times, there is a client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
>
>   POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
>
>   Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to
> WindowsRG:
>   
> <http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf>
> 
>   William
> 
>   -Original Message-
>           From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:17 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   Thanks William - 
>
>   I was looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I
> was thinking it missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image
> that anti-gen would leave such a big hole.
>
>   If I can allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
>
>   Appreciate the help.
>
> 
>   Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
>   Special Projects Engineer 
>   Premiere Radio Networks 
>   A Division of Clear Channel Communications 
>   15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 
>   Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 
>   Direct: (818) 461-8620 
>   <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> 
>   No question is so difficult as that to which the answer is
> obvious. 
> 
>           -Original Message-
>   From: Lefkovics, William
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:16 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: POP access to email
>   
>   
>   It's not *bad* practice.
>
>   It's one of the client options.
>
>   You must properly secure your server against relay
> should you allow SMTP from the same POP clients. 
>
>   Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client
> protocol.
>
>   William
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Zangara, Jim
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:08 AM
>   To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>   Subject: POP access to email
>   
>   
> 
>   I remember reading on here many months ago that it
> is a bad practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
> 
>   I cannot remember why and I am running that battle
> now. 
> 
>   I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
> 
>   Can someone point me in the right direction? 
> 
>   Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   List Charter and FAQ at:
>   
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
>   List Charter and FAQ at:
>   
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
>   
> 
>   List Char

RE: POP access to email

[Kurt Buff]

That name rings a bell


-Original Message-
From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:23
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: POP access to email


That's Humpaq to you.

Missy Koslosky
Tech Consultant
Humpaq Computer Corp.
- Original Message -
From: John Allhiser
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: POP access to email


I already have it running on my Hewlettcompaqard Desktop Server.

John Allhiser MCSE CCNA
Network Engineer
Business Men's Assurance


-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:29 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email


If these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is
a client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.

POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.

Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to WindowsRG:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
William
-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:17 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email


Thanks William -

I was looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it
missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would
leave such a big hole.

If I can allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.

Appreciate the help.

Jim Zangara, MCSE+I
Special Projects Engineer
Premiere Radio Networks
A Division of Clear Channel Communications
15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Direct: (818) 461-8620
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


No question is so difficult as that to which the answer is obvious.
-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:16 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email


It's not *bad* practice.

It's one of the client options.

You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow SMTP
from the same POP clients.

Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client protocol.

William

-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:08 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP access to email


I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad practice to
allow users to pop into your exchange server.
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now.
I searched the archives but do not see anything.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Jim


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm


List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

Re: POP access to email

[missy koslosky]

Title: Message



That's Humpaq to you.
 
Missy Koslosky
Tech Consultant
Humpaq Computer Corp.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John Allhiser 
  
  To: MS-Exchange Admin 
  Issues 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:13 
  PM
  Subject: RE: POP access to email
  
  I already have 
  it running on my Hewlettcompaqard Desktop Server.
   
  John Allhiser MCSE CCNANetwork EngineerBusiness Men's 
  Assurance
  
-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 1:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
POP access to email
If 
these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
 
POP doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, 
either.
 
Not that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
WindowsRG:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
William
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
POP access to email
Thanks 
William - 
 
I was 
looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
leave such a big hole.
 
If I can 
allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
 
Appreciate the help.
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No question is so 
difficult as that to which the answer is obvious. 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
      IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  It's not *bad* practice.
   
  It's one of the client options.
   
  You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow 
  SMTP from the same POP clients. 
   
  Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
  protocol.
   
  William
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: 
  POP access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a 
  bad practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
  now. 
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
  List Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[John Allhiser]

Title: Message



I already have it 
running on my Hewlettcompaqard Desktop Server.
 
John Allhiser MCSE CCNANetwork EngineerBusiness Men's 
Assurance

  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, William 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 1:29 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
  access to email
  If 
  these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
  client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
   
  POP 
  doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
   
  Not 
  that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
  WindowsRG:
  
  http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
  William
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  POP access to email
  Thanks 
  William - 
   
  I was 
  looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
  missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
  leave such a big hole.
   
  If I can 
  allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
   
  Appreciate 
  the help.
   
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  No question is so 
  difficult as that to which the answer is obvious. 
  

-Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
It's not *bad* practice.
 
It's one of the client options.
 
You must properly secure your server against relay should you allow 
SMTP from the same POP clients. 
 
Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
protocol.
 
William
 
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
List Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Lefkovics, William]

OWA only opens port 80.  Like a website.

OWA with SSL uses only port 443.  

William

-Original Message-
From: Michael David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:06 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email


We are currently not using OWA or POP to get outside mail due to
managements concerns with security of email content and the irritating
way they keep everything ever sent to them in their mailbox.  My
exchange server is inside a firewall with a relay machine outside which
only allows outside SMTP from that relay machine.  How significant is
opening the firewall and exposing the interior network to OWA?  Can
someone point me to pro/con security information on OWA so I can present
it as a viable solution to remote mail.  
 
Thanks,
Michael David
IT Coordinator
Tennex Industries, Inc
248-393-0252x3517
 
-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:35 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
 
My users all use PST's also but I setup OWA anyway.  Whenever they call
and tell me their "email" is not working I ask "Can you get your email
through the OWA?"  If they can, then I know it is a problem with their
local Outlook setup.
Also, if I'm really busy and I know they can get their email through the
OWA, it lowers their problem to "an annoyance" not "work stoppage".
Always a good idea in a pinch.
 
Just my .02 cents.
 
Diane
-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:26 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
most of these guys use a pst anyways.

I know I know - but do they listen?
 
I am just waiting for the next computer crash so I get the luxury of
saying I told you so.
 
Would love to do OWA but these people are "too important" to bother with
that.
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer 
Premiere Radio Networks 
A Division of Clear Channel Communications 
15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 
Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
 
My school colors were clear. We used to say, "I'm not naked, I'm in the
band." -- Steven Wright 
-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
For starters? The first time one of your users sucks all his email off
the server, they will know.
Second, OWA
-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:08 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad practice to
allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
 
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Michael David]

We are currently not using OWA or POP to get outside mail due to
managements concerns with security of email content and the irritating
way they keep everything ever sent to them in their mailbox.  My
exchange server is inside a firewall with a relay machine outside which
only allows outside SMTP from that relay machine.  How significant is
opening the firewall and exposing the interior network to OWA?  Can
someone point me to pro/con security information on OWA so I can present
it as a viable solution to remote mail.  
 
Thanks,
Michael David
IT Coordinator
Tennex Industries, Inc
248-393-0252x3517
 
-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:35 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
 
My users all use PST's also but I setup OWA anyway.  Whenever they call
and tell me their "email" is not working I ask "Can you get your email
through the OWA?"  If they can, then I know it is a problem with their
local Outlook setup.
Also, if I'm really busy and I know they can get their email through the
OWA, it lowers their problem to "an annoyance" not "work stoppage".
Always a good idea in a pinch.
 
Just my .02 cents.
 
Diane
-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:26 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
most of these guys use a pst anyways.

I know I know - but do they listen?
 
I am just waiting for the next computer crash so I get the luxury of
saying I told you so.
 
Would love to do OWA but these people are "too important" to bother with
that.
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer 
Premiere Radio Networks 
A Division of Clear Channel Communications 
15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 
Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
 
My school colors were clear. We used to say, "I'm not naked, I'm in the
band." -- Steven Wright 
-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: POP access to email
For starters? The first time one of your users sucks all his email off
the server, they will know.
Second, OWA
-Original Message-
From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:08 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: POP access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad practice to
allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
 
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Diane Beckham]

Title: Message



My 
users all use PST's also but I setup OWA anyway.  Whenever they call and 
tell me their "email" is not working I ask "Can you get your email through 
the OWA?"  If they can, then I know it is a problem with their local 
Outlook setup.
Also, 
if I'm really busy and I know they can get their email through the OWA, it 
lowers their problem to "an annoyance" not "work stoppage".  Always a good 
idea in a pinch.
 
Just 
my .02 cents.
 
Diane

  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:26 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  POP access to email
  most of 
  these guys use a pst anyways.
      

      I know I know - but do they 
  listen?
   
  I am just 
  waiting for the next computer crash so I get the luxury of saying I told you 
  so.
   
  Would love 
  to do OWA but these people are "too important" to bother with 
  that.
  Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
  Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks 
  A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura 
  Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 
  461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  My school colors were 
  clear. We used to say, "I'm not naked, I'm in the band." -- Steven Wright 
  
  

-Original Message-From: Martin 
Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
September 04, 2001 11:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
For starters? The first time one of your users sucks all his email 
off the server, they will know.
Second, OWA

  
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 
  04, 2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: POP access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a 
  bad practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
  now. 
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
  List Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Lefkovics, William]

Title: Message



If 
these clients are in the office sometimes and away other times, there is a 
client setting to leave a copy of email on the server.
 
POP 
doesn't support subfolders below the inbox, either.
 
Not 
that these things matter since we'll all be switching to 
WindowsRG:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf
William
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 
11:17 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: POP 
access to email
Thanks 
William - 
 
I was 
looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
leave such a big hole.
 
If I can 
allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
 
Appreciate 
the help.
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No question is so difficult 
as that to which the answer is obvious. 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  It's 
  not *bad* practice.
   
  It's 
  one of the client options.
   
  You 
  must properly secure your server against relay should you allow SMTP from the 
  same POP clients. 
   
  Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
  protocol.
   
  William
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
  access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
  practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 
  
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
  List Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Zangara, Jim]

Title: Message



most of 
these guys use a pst anyways.
    
    I know I know - but do they 
listen?
 
I am just 
waiting for the next computer crash so I get the luxury of saying I told you 
so.
 
Would love 
to do OWA but these people are "too important" to bother with 
that.
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

My school colors were 
clear. We used to say, "I'm not naked, I'm in the band." -- Steven Wright 


  
  -Original Message-From: Martin 
  Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:20 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  For 
  starters? The first time one of your users sucks all his email off the server, 
  they will know.
  Second, OWA
  

-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
access to email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle 
now. 
I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
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  Charter and FAQ 
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RE: POP access to email

[Zangara, Jim]

Title: Message



Thanks 
William - 
 
I was 
looking in the archives for your responses to POP.  I was thinking it 
missed some point of antivirus scanning but cannot image that anti-gen would 
leave such a big hole.
 
If I can 
allow pop then my life just got a bit easier.
 
Appreciate 
the help.
 
Jim Zangara, MCSE+I 
Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A 
Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 
500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No question is so difficult 
as that to which the answer is obvious. 

  
  -Original Message-From: Lefkovics, 
  William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 
  September 04, 2001 11:16 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: POP access to email
  It's 
  not *bad* practice.
   
  It's 
  one of the client options.
   
  You 
  must properly secure your server against relay should you allow SMTP from the 
  same POP clients. 
   
  Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
  protocol.
   
  William
   
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
  access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
  practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 
  
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
  List Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htmList 
  Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Martin Blackstone]

Title: Message



For 
starters? The first time one of your users sucks all his email off the server, 
they will know.
Second, OWA

  
  -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 
  2001 11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP 
  access to email
  I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
  practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
  I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 
  
  I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
  Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  Jim 
   List Charter and FAQ 
  at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm

RE: POP access to email

[Lefkovics, William]

Title: POP access to email



It's 
not *bad* practice.
 
It's 
one of the client options.
 
You 
must properly secure your server against relay should you allow SMTP from the 
same POP clients. 
 
Personally, I favour IMAP as the remote client 
protocol.
 
William
 
-Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 
11:08 AMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: POP access to 
email
I remember reading on here many months ago that it is a bad 
practice to allow users to pop into your exchange server. 
I cannot remember why and I am running that battle now. 

I searched the archives but do not see anything. 
Can someone point me in the right direction? 
Jim 
 List Charter and FAQ 
at:http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
List Charter and FAQ at:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm