RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Hmmm.. Lets see..The goal of marketing is to generate lots of interest and discussion in a product Hmmm.. I think the tagline did a good job of that wouldn't you say... And its only Misleading if that product doesn't do what they say its going to do. Like I said before, We'll see If it works, we have another option in the fight against Spam, if it doesn't it won't be around long and Barracuda will solidify its position in the marketplace. Greg From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Oh why the crap are you taking issue with people taking issue with Sunbelt's marketing tactics? It's a market that customers like to throw money at. I'm sure Sunbelt has a decent entry. But this is a pretty impressive customer list: http://www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/customers/customer_list.php Does it intercept cookies? http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/?date=2003-11-30 On an unrelated note... is the interface skinnable? http://www.kittyhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/hello-kitty-assault- rifle.jpg From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Why the crap are you taking issue with Sunbelt's marketing tactics? It's their product, dude and they certainly don't have to justify themselves to the list. I don't care if they called it the Mac daddy wonder-box of spam boogers Let's see what it can do and how is it going to help me in the ongoing battle against spam. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Sorry I have to stir the pot... based on Don's comment and others... how many of you own a Mac product? *Runs for the corner and grabs popcorn* -Original Message- From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:51 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Agreed - I'm not a barracuda fan but this is distasteful marketing hype to me. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer ROFL... but hard to argue with. Self-claiming to be a killer is an eye-roller if you ask me. On Jan 17, 2008 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Agreed - I'm not a barracuda fan but this is distasteful marketing hype to me. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:41 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer ROFL... but hard to argue with. Self-claiming to be a killer is an eye-roller if you ask me. On Jan 17, 2008 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Apples to oranges. I like/want to see Sunbelt succeed. The criticism is constructive. On Jan 18, 2008 4:13 PM, Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Marketing or not.Sunbelt has PROVEN with their products AND support they are superior. You don't like em, go by Symancrap My 2 cents Sorry Chuck, had to say that. From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Ok, ok – color me gone From: Robinson, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer The question is Would it stop this thread? If so, I like it…. Chuck Robinson, MCSE: Messaging, VCP Senior Practice Consultant EMC Global Services, Microsoft Practice tel 732-321-3644 xt.45, mobile 973-865-0394, fax 732-321-6855 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.emc.com/mspractice From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Guys, Marketing or not.Sunbelt has PROVEN with their products AND support they are superior. You don't like em, go by Symancrap My 2 cents Sorry Chuck, had to say that. From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:09 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Ok, ok - color me gone From: Robinson, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer The question is Would it stop this thread? If so, I like it Chuck Robinson, MCSE: Messaging, VCP Senior Practice Consultant EMC Global Services, Microsoft Practice tel 732-321-3644 xt.45, mobile 973-865-0394, fax 732-321-6855 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.emc.com/mspractice http://www.emc.com/ From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Hmm - ok maybe I just don't fit the target profile - anyway, good luck From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes, and no. But the answer to your question is a fairly long-winded marketing-type thing, involved positioning ladders in the mind and all that kind of mumbo-jumbo. If you're curious, a lot of this type of marketing theory is covered in the books by Al Riess and Jack Trout. And I do agree, it's a rough-and-tumble tagline. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
The question is Would it stop this thread? If so, I like it Chuck Robinson, MCSE: Messaging, VCP Senior Practice Consultant EMC Global Services, Microsoft Practice tel 732-321-3644 xt.45, mobile 973-865-0394, fax 732-321-6855 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.emc.com/mspracticehttp://www.emc.com/ From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Hi Andy, There will be a Ninja Blade vs Ninja for Exchange comparison on our website shortly, as a general rule the integration and granularity of an on-box solution like Ninja for Exchange will always be tighter than a gateway/appliance. Blade does support per-user settings and Active Directory integration of course, if you have more specific questions about the integration options and support I'll be happy to answer that off-list. Best regards, Chad Loeven e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 727.562.0101 x274 From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Alex, if I may: I'm totally redoing our spam solution (ripping out GFI b\c it is crappy piece of software that causes me and our staff nothing but headaches and when support is called all we get it your settings/config looks perfect; the software shouldn't be doing that... Freakin' morons /end rant) and I was going to put in Ninja due to my past success with the product BUT now with the blade solution. I really, really like the solution in front of my exchange server but do I lose the sweet integration, per user granular control, policies, etc by going to the hardware solution? I realize it's optimal to have both but that ain't going to happen. TIA. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer $1995 for the base model, $599 for maint.This model is rated up to 500 users. From: Rick Corgiat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Stu I couldn't find pricing. Did I miss a link? Rick From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Why the crap are you taking issue with Sunbelt's marketing tactics? It's their product, dude and they certainly don't have to justify themselves to the list. I don't care if they called it the Mac daddy wonder-box of spam boogers Let's see what it can do and how is it going to help me in the ongoing battle against spam. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
I think it was $1995 and something like $995 a year for maintenance. Can't get to the site from here, but it was on the blog page (or one related to it) that I saw that. _ From: Rick Corgiat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Stu I couldn't find pricing. Did I miss a link? Rick _ From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
I lose the sweet integration, per user granular control, policies, etc by going to the hardware solution? Yes, you lose those. But I have some ideas, I'll contact you off-list. Alex From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Alex, if I may: I'm totally redoing our spam solution (ripping out GFI b\c it is crappy piece of software that causes me and our staff nothing but headaches and when support is called all we get it your settings/config looks perfect; the software shouldn't be doing that... Freakin' morons /end rant) and I was going to put in Ninja due to my past success with the product BUT now with the blade solution. I really, really like the solution in front of my exchange server but do I lose the sweet integration, per user granular control, policies, etc by going to the hardware solution? I realize it's optimal to have both but that ain't going to happen. TIA. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer $1995 for the base model, $599 for maint.This model is rated up to 500 users. From: Rick Corgiat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Stu I couldn't find pricing. Did I miss a link? Rick From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Yes, and no. But the answer to your question is a fairly long-winded marketing-type thing, involved positioning ladders in the mind and all that kind of mumbo-jumbo. If you're curious, a lot of this type of marketing theory is covered in the books by Al Riess and Jack Trout. And I do agree, it's a rough-and-tumble tagline. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Ok, ok - color me gone From: Robinson, Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer The question is Would it stop this thread? If so, I like it Chuck Robinson, MCSE: Messaging, VCP Senior Practice Consultant EMC Global Services, Microsoft Practice tel 732-321-3644 xt.45, mobile 973-865-0394, fax 732-321-6855 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.emc.com/mspractice http://www.emc.com/ From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Whatever, it's misleading. I have no idea what Sunbelt just released. Good luck with it though. From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. _ From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Oh why the crap are you taking issue with people taking issue with Sunbelt's marketing tactics? It's a market that customers like to throw money at. I'm sure Sunbelt has a decent entry. But this is a pretty impressive customer list: http://www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/customers/customer_list.php Does it intercept cookies? http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/?date=2003-11-30 On an unrelated note. is the interface skinnable? http://www.kittyhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/hello-kitty-assault-rifl e.jpg From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Why the crap are you taking issue with Sunbelt's marketing tactics? It's their product, dude and they certainly don't have to justify themselves to the list. I don't care if they called it the Mac daddy wonder-box of spam boogers Let's see what it can do and how is it going to help me in the ongoing battle against spam. Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook _ From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:12 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Wouldn't have taken too many words to say something like A friendlier, faster, more cost effective alternative to Barracuda, would it? (assuming all those were true of course) _ From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Whatever, it's marketing. Many may hate the tagline, but everyone will immediately understand what Sunbelt just released. Alex _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. _ From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
The interface is wonderful. Kudos! Although, the online demo had some bugs. I hope its just cosmetic to the demo! On Jan 17, 2008 11:57 AM, Stu Sjouwerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Stu just got me to drink the Kool-Aid, the roofies came from Shook. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Was that before or after the roofie? On Jan 17, 2008 12:19 PM, Tim Vander Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu told me it was FAR superior to all of them. ;-) -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
ROFL - couldn't have said it better myself. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Was that before or after the roofie? On Jan 17, 2008 12:19 PM, Tim Vander Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu told me it was FAR superior to all of them. ;-) -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate - and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
I think in general you'll find that Ninja has everything you need, nothing you don't. Feature comparison checklists abound, but the product is focused on delivering high quality email filtering. As we continue development, more bells and whistles will come out. To me, the standout features on this product is a) the pricing (personally, I think it's way too low, and we don't make much on these things), b) Dell hardware, with 4-hour onsite service free with every box and b) the quality of the underlying engines. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate - and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Was that before or after the roofie? On Jan 17, 2008 12:19 PM, Tim Vander Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu told me it was FAR superior to all of them. ;-) -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? On Jan 17, 2008 1:32 PM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in general you'll find that Ninja has everything you need, nothing you don't. Feature comparison checklists abound, but the product is focused on delivering high quality email filtering. As we continue development, more bells and whistles will come out. To me, the standout features on this product is a) the pricing (personally, I think it's way too low, and we don't make much on these things), b) Dell hardware, with 4-hour onsite service free with every box and b) the quality of the underlying engines. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate – and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Stu told me it was FAR superior to all of them. ;-) From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate - and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? I read through the complete datasheet and this looks pretty low end from a software feature standpoint. As long as it doesn't NDR by default on dictionary attacks I could recommend this as a 'cuda replacement. It will probably be fine for small and the low-end medium size shops, but they will have to add a lot more functionality to compete successfully with the Ironports and the Can-It Pros of the world. Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. There's a lot more that seems similarly limited. Docs are decent, but it would be nice to see some wording in the setup docs to steer the clueless towards better practices such as NOT having disclaimers. Low end shops would probably also appreciate some exchange hand holding WRT smart hosts setup and etc... I guess (for around 20 aliases) $1500 would be reasonable for the 500 model w/ a year of 24x7x365 support and 4hr replacement. Maybe $500 per year after that for support. my 2¢ ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Aw, now I'm gonna have to look closer. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Stu told me it was FAR superior to all of them. ;-) From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate - and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Alex, I just read your blog. Does the blade support or have any future plans to support failover/clustering/or load balancing ? Encryption partner? The product looks great, I'm not a fan whatsoever of cuda's, granted this is targeted at a smaller market than I am in, but I would give the blade a hard look if I were to have an opportunity to again. Good luck with the product. - John From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:20 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer I've also blogged about it here: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/our-first-hardware-product-ninja blade.html From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Michael, We started out with this first iteration of the GUI, and provide the basic required features right out of the box. That feature set will be expanded upon significantly over time and we're happy to get suggestions. There -will- be a lot more to tweak, but Blade as it is was put together to have it up and running in 10 minutes. Let us know what you'd like to see added? Warm regards, Stu -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer I meant to add: mainly was the ability to edit parts of the config - and not just add/delete. You know - tweak something you already configured. On Jan 17, 2008 2:11 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? On Jan 17, 2008 1:32 PM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in general you'll find that Ninja has everything you need, nothing you don't. Feature comparison checklists abound, but the product is focused on delivering high quality email filtering. As we continue development, more bells and whistles will come out. To me, the standout features on this product is a) the pricing (personally, I think it's way too low, and we don't make much on these things), b) Dell hardware, with 4-hour onsite service free with every box and b) the quality of the underlying engines. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate - and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
I meant to add: mainly was the ability to edit parts of the config - and not just add/delete. You know - tweak something you already configured. On Jan 17, 2008 2:11 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? On Jan 17, 2008 1:32 PM, Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in general you'll find that Ninja has everything you need, nothing you don't. Feature comparison checklists abound, but the product is focused on delivering high quality email filtering. As we continue development, more bells and whistles will come out. To me, the standout features on this product is a) the pricing (personally, I think it's way too low, and we don't make much on these things), b) Dell hardware, with 4-hour onsite service free with every box and b) the quality of the underlying engines. Alex From: Don Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Care to compare it with Tumbleweed's Mailgate – and perhaps some of the others? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Is there LDAP filtering support? From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
I've also blogged about it here: http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/our-first-hardware-product-ninja blade.html From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Importance: High Hi All, Here is one of my infamous, genuine 100% commercial messages ! ;-D The subject essentially said it all. We built a very high quality appliance, with carrier-grade software, using a Dell server. We're quite excited to be able to offer this now, in addition to the Ninja Email Security software product itself. The pricing is -very- competitive. Check out the microsite we built for our new 'Blade': http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/rd/?id=080117BL-NINJABLADE Warm regards, Stu PS, If you want to play with the actual interface, you need to fill out the 'request eval' form, and in the auto-return email will be a link with a username and password so you can see how it looks. A world of difference compared to the 'cuda. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Good points. Other best practices - no catchall accounts, and no NDRs for non-existent accounts, or rather, just issue a 5xx response and don't accept the message. On Jan 17, 2008 11:44 AM, Jason Gurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? I read through the complete datasheet and this looks pretty low end from a software feature standpoint. As long as it doesn't NDR by default on dictionary attacks I could recommend this as a 'cuda replacement. It will probably be fine for small and the low-end medium size shops, but they will have to add a lot more functionality to compete successfully with the Ironports and the Can-It Pros of the world. Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. There's a lot more that seems similarly limited. Docs are decent, but it would be nice to see some wording in the setup docs to steer the clueless towards better practices such as NOT having disclaimers. Low end shops would probably also appreciate some exchange hand holding WRT smart hosts setup and etc... I guess (for around 20 aliases) $1500 would be reasonable for the 500 model w/ a year of 24x7x365 support and 4hr replacement. Maybe $500 per year after that for support. my 2¢ ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
It's not a bad product. :) So what Lunix [sic] are you running? CentOS All your other points are noted (and agreed) Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. Not sure I get that, the product supports such a feature. Alex -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Incidentally, this is the MTA that's under-the-hood: http://www.messagesystems.com/carrier_suite/carrierSuiteSpecifications.h tm l It's not a bad product. :) So what Lunix [sic] are you running? ...and what's the official word on the default NDR settings? While you're at it adding features, you might want to iptables drop any connections from the BOGON list and the Spamhaus DROP list. That'll free up the cpu by an order of magnitude. BTW, you will make the Spamhaus people happy if you offer the zen list instead when people pick both xbl and sbl (and you get the pbl for free). You'll make them even happier if you donate every year and will gain community goodwill and higher sales. Of note is barracuda who has and continues to bite, stamp on, throw away, and generally defecate on all the various hands that feed them... Ignore their history at your peril. I think Stu knows very well what it's like when you piss off the OS community. I think it's funny when I see fallout today from things he did nearly a decade ago; that should tell you how serious of a thing a reputation is. ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. Not sure I get that, the product supports such a feature. Maybe... What I got from the documentation is that you could only choose from 3 pre-configured levels (medium being the most ideal, yet missing many). It's nice to offer preconfigured options but it really should be a user-definable, delimited string. It's certainly possible that I missed that this feature is available. ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Jason, all great points. You're going to see a lot of feature enhancements coming out in updates over the coming months. There's a vast amount of functionality in the MTA that we simply haven't exposed through the UI. It's a matter of us exposing it, testing it, and then shipping it. Incidentally, this is the MTA that's under-the-hood: http://www.messagesystems.com/carrier_suite/carrierSuiteSpecifications.html Alex -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Not to disparage, but a couple of friends and went through the interface of the online demo and were surprised to find a bunch of abilities not there. Is the demo up-to-date with the production release? I read through the complete datasheet and this looks pretty low end from a software feature standpoint. As long as it doesn't NDR by default on dictionary attacks I could recommend this as a 'cuda replacement. It will probably be fine for small and the low-end medium size shops, but they will have to add a lot more functionality to compete successfully with the Ironports and the Can-It Pros of the world. Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. There's a lot more that seems similarly limited. Docs are decent, but it would be nice to see some wording in the setup docs to steer the clueless towards better practices such as NOT having disclaimers. Low end shops would probably also appreciate some exchange hand holding WRT smart hosts setup and etc... I guess (for around 20 aliases) $1500 would be reasonable for the 500 model w/ a year of 24x7x365 support and 4hr replacement. Maybe $500 per year after that for support. my 2¢ ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Hi Jason, It does not NDR a dictionary attack. At the connection layer, the security and functionality is essentially identical to that supported in the MessageSystems carrier suite MTA, since it's the same product (we figured, if it's good enough for Verizon) Not all the functionality is exposed in the UI, partly because this is the first release, and partly because we locked down the config to keep it manageable without having a full time admin on it. Chad Loeven e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 727.562.0101 x274 -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Incidentally, this is the MTA that's under-the-hood: http://www.messagesystems.com/carrier_suite/carrierSuiteSpecifications.h tm l It's not a bad product. :) So what Lunix [sic] are you running? ...and what's the official word on the default NDR settings? While you're at it adding features, you might want to iptables drop any connections from the BOGON list and the Spamhaus DROP list. That'll free up the cpu by an order of magnitude. BTW, you will make the Spamhaus people happy if you offer the zen list instead when people pick both xbl and sbl (and you get the pbl for free). You'll make them even happier if you donate every year and will gain community goodwill and higher sales. Of note is barracuda who has and continues to bite, stamp on, throw away, and generally defecate on all the various hands that feed them... Ignore their history at your peril. I think Stu knows very well what it's like when you piss off the OS community. I think it's funny when I see fallout today from things he did nearly a decade ago; that should tell you how serious of a thing a reputation is. ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
It does not NDR a dictionary attack. Hey great, good to know! :) Not all the functionality is exposed in the UI, partly because this is the first release, and partly because we locked down the config to keep it manageable without having a full time admin on it. That's probably pretty standard for these types of boxes I'd guess. ~Jason -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Ah! Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Chad Loeven e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: 727.562.0101 x274 -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Non customizable file extension filtering is the most glaring defect I see. Not sure I get that, the product supports such a feature. Maybe... What I got from the documentation is that you could only choose from 3 pre-configured levels (medium being the most ideal, yet missing many). It's nice to offer preconfigured options but it really should be a user-definable, delimited string. It's certainly possible that I missed that this feature is available. ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer
Time will tell William, if it works as well as Ninja and removes it off the servers for larger installs than by jove...its good enough.. If there support is as good as they are with everything else than I am not worried about getting issues resolved. Will it be as refined as Ironport in rev 1...nah... but for the price am I willing to deal with functionality over form...yes. I do remember some reviews saying that the Motorola Q would be the BB killer...We all know how that turned out. I think Sunbelt will have a better turn out here by far than that. Greg From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Be wary of any product that claims to be a 'killer' of other products. It reeks of mediocrity or an inferiority complex. From: Alex Eckelberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer good point, thanks, keep it all coming. -Original Message- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:49 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sunbelt Announces Ninja Blade - The Barracuda Killer Yes there are three preconfigured levels, but you can add or delete any attachment rule within any of those levels. Excellent, maybe a UI improvement is in order for a future release, this should be an obvious and easy to change feature (like right there on that page with the three levels as a 4th option with a customize... button). Thanks for the quick replies, that's a good sign. :) ~JasonG -- ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
