RE: looking for hardware
There all used up resting my Special Brew!! -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware What's wrong with beermats? :-) -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 15 November 2001 16:16 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: looking for hardware Subject: RE: looking for hardware Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This eMail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this eMail in error please contact the Support Desk Immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or on eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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That is the order I would get them with HP not far behind. How many users and locations do you have? then let the games begin. -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I like Dell! Certainly never had a problem with them! Same as Compaq - no problem running them either! I do like their Smart Start stuff! Simon Weaver NT Domain Administrator Ext. 5544 Tel: 02392-705544 (Direct Dial) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 03:10:PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ... This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. Astrium Limited Gunnels Wood Road Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 2AS List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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HThats all we have here and have never had a problem with them. Can you elaborate? Jeff -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I agree too. We are 90% Dell in our office and 10% Compaq. They are both great servers. We have had no problems whatsoever with our Dell servers. Even had a hard drive go down on one of them, and plugged a new one in, and the RAID controller automatically scrubbed it and restored the RAID without us having to do anything! Have not had any experience with any IBM servers, though. James Winzenz, MCSE, A+ Associate Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. -Original Message- From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: looking for hardware I like Dell! Certainly never had a problem with them! Same as Compaq - no problem running them either! I do like their Smart Start stuff! Simon Weaver NT Domain Administrator Ext. 5544 Tel: 02392-705544 (Direct Dial) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 03:10:PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ... This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. Astrium Limited Gunnels Wood Road Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 2AS List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
I will agree with Clayton. Compaq offers the best tools for setting up and administering your servers. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Dell, IBM, offer and do the same -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Unless you have a power related failure on a Saturday. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. - RFC 1925 -Original Message- From: Simon Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I use DELL for all our intel needs and have never gone back to anything else. Their machines are as stable as anything - the build quality is extremely cool and their support services and on site maintenance rocks!. -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Mega-dittos on that. Their smart start CD makes server setup a snap. Steve -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I will agree with Clayton. Compaq offers the best tools for setting up and administering your servers. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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My order would be Compaq, IBM, whoever -Original Message- From: Ellery July [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That is the order I would get them with HP not far behind. How many users and locations do you have? then let the games begin. -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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What's wrong with beermats? :-) -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 15 November 2001 16:16 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: looking for hardware Subject: RE: looking for hardware Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This eMail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this eMail in error please contact the Support Desk Immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or on eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
My issues with Dell go back to the last time we all slagged off all the vendors out there. From that thread I know loads of folks have had good experiences with their Customer Service, but I never have. I have always had to wait for 20 minutes on hold once I pressed 3 for server support, only to get someone telling me that I had got through to the wrong department when I did get a human being. The other thing someone mentioned, that I have also experienced, is that when you do have a hardware failure, the get you jump through a million hoops to avoid what they would call unnecessary service call outs. I think the person mentioned they had a faulty hard drive, and put the phone next to the machine so the guy on the phone could hear it clunking, and he still wanted him to go through all of the diag's. While I understand the thinking behind this, when you have a server which needs surgery desperately, going through checkbox 2, list 7 isn't high on the list of priorities for the customer, especially when it is a no brainer like a hard disk failure. We had two Power Edge Servers at my last company, and I never really liked em (inherited from a predecessor) mainly due to the fact that if we ever needed any service, the service we got was absolute crap. To be fair, this was in the UK, where both Dell and Compaq base their head offices out of Dublin, I have not had dealings with Dell in the states. I have, however dealt with Compaq in the US, and have found them very responsive, even to the point of replying to an email posted on their web site within a couple of hours, which is something I never experienced with Dell. As far as IBM is concerned, I have no idea. I have never even seen an IBM Server in any of the places I have worked. -Original Message- From: Ellery July [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Have you tried Dell? I use both and could not find a difference. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I will agree with Clayton. Compaq offers the best tools for setting up and administering your servers. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Ditto - We are strictly a Dell shop -- love them. Haven't had any real problems. --- Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I have used Dell for my SQL and exchange server with no hardware problems and they are not the hardware police Compaq sometimes is. -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Stu, buddy, how are ya. (Don, he is a friend of mine for real) Don's cool, so don't sweat it, and Stu's pretty switched on as well. There, I have done my peace keeping for today, back to the bombing campaign! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Nor have we had any major problems. And the latest Dell server setup disk is just as easy to use as Compaq's SmartStart. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:24 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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So from all of the messages in this thread, I deduce that: Some people think Compaq are good. Some people think Compaq are bad. Some people think Dell are good. Some people think Dell are bad. Some people think Hey! There's a pattern forming here! -Original Message- From: Glen Macdonald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 15 November 2001 16:14 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: looking for hardware Subject: RE: looking for hardware Ditto - We are strictly a Dell shop -- love them. Haven't had any real problems. --- Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This eMail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this eMail in error please contact the Support Desk Immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or on eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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You forgot to add another 36.4Gb drive for hot-swap. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Brian Mead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 16:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Compaq ML3770. Throw in 3x36.4Gb with a couple 9.1 and you're set. Right Bob? -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Compaq ML3770. Throw in 3x36.4Gb with a couple 9.1 and you're set. Right Bob? -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Ropiak Steve - NAO Florence Office Exchange and Bar Code Admn. wrote: Mega-dittos on that. Their smart start CD makes server setup a snap. Unless you want to deviate from what Compaq thinks you should do. Then you are doomed. (Well, I exaggerate, but not by much.) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Compaq also has great tech support (in my opinion). Back in my banyan vines days i had the occaision to call for help on Christmas and on Thanksgiving -- they had people on the other end of the phone that were very experienced. Since our (forced) switch to NT I've only called a couple of times, but after getting past the obvious questions (yes I checked the cables, no I haven't installed anything, yes I tried rebooting) I have gotten answers promptly. Compaq has a strange system for hardware replacement. Three years they fix/replace it, even onsite! BUT, they contract out with local folks to do that work and I have certainly NOT been impressed with their local contractors. (after watching one technician try to force a SIMM in backwards for 5 minutes, I now make them stand in a corner and watch me replace whatever components were necessary) But their servers have been rock solid for us (1 motherboard, 1 memory, 1 hard drive but probably 15 DAT/DLT drive replacements over 10 years) YMMV Tom Gray, Network Engineer All Kinds of Minds The Center for Development and Learning University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATT Net: (919)960- -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I will agree with Clayton. Compaq offers the best tools for setting up and administering your servers. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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My experience with 2 failed RAID drives on our Dell servers: Call tech support. 10 minutes on hold, get technician. Explain hard drive self-test notices filling up log. Tech asked how many. I said that I stopped counting at 100. He said they'd get me a new drive ASAP. In both cases, I had a drive in my hand FOUR HOURS LATER, even though we are two hours away from Seattle. Not FedEx overnight, four hours same day, courier didn't arrive until 7:30, but got there in time for same-day replacement. I imagine service better than that. Mike -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware My issues with Dell go back to the last time we all slagged off all the vendors out there. From that thread I know loads of folks have had good experiences with their Customer Service, but I never have. I have always had to wait for 20 minutes on hold once I pressed 3 for server support, only to get someone telling me that I had got through to the wrong department when I did get a human being. The other thing someone mentioned, that I have also experienced, is that when you do have a hardware failure, the get you jump through a million hoops to avoid what they would call unnecessary service call outs. I think the person mentioned they had a faulty hard drive, and put the phone next to the machine so the guy on the phone could hear it clunking, and he still wanted him to go through all of the diag's. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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another similar server for offline data restores. BTW, when did Compaq start making ML3770 servers? -Original Message- From: Randal, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:17 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware You forgot to add another 36.4Gb drive for hot-swap. Phil - Phil Randal Network Engineer Herefordshire Council Hereford, UK -Original Message- From: Brian Mead [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 16:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Compaq ML3770. Throw in 3x36.4Gb with a couple 9.1 and you're set. Right Bob? -Original Message- From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Try re-adjusting the feet on the rack! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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My story Hum I had a similar experience with Compaq on my file server last. I had a failed memory chip - they sent me two chips which were different them the originals. They sent those and when I called to ask about why I got them - the tech told me because the ones I needed were backordered and if I put them in my Compaq warranty would not cover them. In addition, because I use a non-approved Compaq internal backup device (which they now approve) they had me take it out. That is why I only purchase Dell servers now. I have come to realize that Compaq usually delivers good service (and charge a 25% premium over other vendors) because it only provides service to a very limited number of approved products. They also assume that all third party products conflict with their product. Because of this Compaq is losing market-share and being absorbed by HP. ellery july Technical Lead Northwest Area Foundation 332 Minnesota e-1201 St. Paul, MN 55101 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone - 651-225-3895 fax - 651-225-7695 -Original Message- From: Mike Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware My experience with 2 failed RAID drives on our Dell servers: Call tech support. 10 minutes on hold, get technician. Explain hard drive self-test notices filling up log. Tech asked how many. I said that I stopped counting at 100. He said they'd get me a new drive ASAP. In both cases, I had a drive in my hand FOUR HOURS LATER, even though we are two hours away from Seattle. Not FedEx overnight, four hours same day, courier didn't arrive until 7:30, but got there in time for same-day replacement. I imagine service better than that. Mike -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware My issues with Dell go back to the last time we all slagged off all the vendors out there. From that thread I know loads of folks have had good experiences with their Customer Service, but I never have. I have always had to wait for 20 minutes on hold once I pressed 3 for server support, only to get someone telling me that I had got through to the wrong department when I did get a human being. The other thing someone mentioned, that I have also experienced, is that when you do have a hardware failure, the get you jump through a million hoops to avoid what they would call unnecessary service call outs. I think the person mentioned they had a faulty hard drive, and put the phone next to the machine so the guy on the phone could hear it clunking, and he still wanted him to go through all of the diag's. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Using two Dell Exchange servers both as 5.5 and now 2000 i have found them far less stable than the compaq one our parent company use, you might well be right they could well be stable but in my experiance they are not, ultimatly it makes no difference, as long as the server runs and is easily upgradable, as system admins we are all happy. I will say this, i come from a back ground of building PC's and in my experiance find that dell use budget parts for there machines, parts IBM and compaq don't use. This has alwasy steered me away from Dell servers. As we all know, well if we don't we should Dell don't really make anything it is just badged Dell, i use a Dell Powervault 705n 240gb RAID, but in truth it is a Quantum Snap. I don't really believe that any server is any better or any less, it depends on the enviroment it is in and how it is configured. nice to see you doing your bit Clayton :o) oh and as for the stability of the Sys admin, true i am a very unstable man, but aren't we all :o) -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:49 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Stu, buddy, how are ya. (Don, he is a friend of mine for real) Don's cool, so don't sweat it, and Stu's pretty switched on as well. There, I have done my peace keeping for today, back to the bombing campaign! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Touche! -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Using two Dell Exchange servers both as 5.5 and now 2000 i have found them far less stable than the compaq one our parent company use, you might well be right they could well be stable but in my experiance they are not, ultimatly it makes no difference, as long as the server runs and is easily upgradable, as system admins we are all happy. I will say this, i come from a back ground of building PC's and in my experiance find that dell use budget parts for there machines, parts IBM and compaq don't use. This has alwasy steered me away from Dell servers. As we all know, well if we don't we should Dell don't really make anything it is just badged Dell, i use a Dell Powervault 705n 240gb RAID, but in truth it is a Quantum Snap. I don't really believe that any server is any better or any less, it depends on the enviroment it is in and how it is configured. nice to see you doing your bit Clayton :o) oh and as for the stability of the Sys admin, true i am a very unstable man, but aren't we all :o) -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:49 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Stu, buddy, how are ya. (Don, he is a friend of mine for real) Don's cool, so don't sweat it, and Stu's pretty switched on as well. There, I have done my peace keeping for today, back to the bombing campaign! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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yes... some people think! -Original Message- From: Neil Hobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November, 2001 5:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So from all of the messages in this thread, I deduce that: Some people think Compaq are good. Some people think Compaq are bad. Some people think Dell are good. Some people think Dell are bad. Some people think Hey! There's a pattern forming here! -Original Message- From: Glen Macdonald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 15 November 2001 16:14 Posted To: Sunbelt Exchange List Conversation: looking for hardware Subject: RE: looking for hardware Ditto - We are strictly a Dell shop -- love them. Haven't had any real problems. --- Don Ely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm ** This eMail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any view or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Silversands or any of its subsidiary companies. If you have received this eMail in error please contact the Support Desk Immediately by telephone on 01202-36 or on eMail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Brand name. No best bets. Too many variables. Also consider what products you are most comfortable with, which vendors you have a good relationship with. My favourite is HP. William Lefkovics, MCSE, A+ -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I'd still like to see some elaboration on this instability you claim. What is not stable? The RAID Controller, the server itself? What is causing you to feel this? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Using two Dell Exchange servers both as 5.5 and now 2000 i have found them far less stable than the compaq one our parent company use, you might well be right they could well be stable but in my experiance they are not, ultimatly it makes no difference, as long as the server runs and is easily upgradable, as system admins we are all happy. I will say this, i come from a back ground of building PC's and in my experiance find that dell use budget parts for there machines, parts IBM and compaq don't use. This has alwasy steered me away from Dell servers. As we all know, well if we don't we should Dell don't really make anything it is just badged Dell, i use a Dell Powervault 705n 240gb RAID, but in truth it is a Quantum Snap. I don't really believe that any server is any better or any less, it depends on the enviroment it is in and how it is configured. nice to see you doing your bit Clayton :o) oh and as for the stability of the Sys admin, true i am a very unstable man, but aren't we all :o) -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:49 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Stu, buddy, how are ya. (Don, he is a friend of mine for real) Don's cool, so don't sweat it, and Stu's pretty switched on as well. There, I have done my peace keeping for today, back to the bombing campaign! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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You really need to elaborate more when you make a statement like that. I am running hundreds of Dell servers, desktops and laptops and find that they are work very well. Please fill us in on the statement you made. Mark -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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My suggestion is to use the Compaq Refurbished with full warranty. We like the stability, and can't beat the price. http://www.compaqfactoryoutlet.com/ ML370 Rack Mounted Servers - $1000 Dennis -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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Ya.. AOL mode Me too /AOL mode I've run Exchange on Dell boxes for years (clustered, no less) and have had almost *ZERO* problems. If you're going to make an accusation that brand X is not stable on this list, you'd better have done your homework and provide some facts to back it up. J -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I'd still like to see some elaboration on this instability you claim. What is not stable? The RAID Controller, the server itself? What is causing you to feel this? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:45 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Using two Dell Exchange servers both as 5.5 and now 2000 i have found them far less stable than the compaq one our parent company use, you might well be right they could well be stable but in my experiance they are not, ultimatly it makes no difference, as long as the server runs and is easily upgradable, as system admins we are all happy. I will say this, i come from a back ground of building PC's and in my experiance find that dell use budget parts for there machines, parts IBM and compaq don't use. This has alwasy steered me away from Dell servers. As we all know, well if we don't we should Dell don't really make anything it is just badged Dell, i use a Dell Powervault 705n 240gb RAID, but in truth it is a Quantum Snap. I don't really believe that any server is any better or any less, it depends on the enviroment it is in and how it is configured. nice to see you doing your bit Clayton :o) oh and as for the stability of the Sys admin, true i am a very unstable man, but aren't we all :o) -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 15:49 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Stu, buddy, how are ya. (Don, he is a friend of mine for real) Don's cool, so don't sweat it, and Stu's pretty switched on as well. There, I have done my peace keeping for today, back to the bombing campaign! -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Oh really! Please elaborate as I've never had any of my Dell servers crash or have an appearance of instability. Are you sure it isn't an unstable admin? -Original Message- From: Stuart Swift [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Don't buy Dell in my experiance they are very unstable. -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2001 14:54 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Me likes Compaq, easy to build up the RAID configs using their smart start disks -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:50 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware Dell, IBM, Compaq..not necessarily in that order. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I am going to enter the fray about the Dell/Compaq debate. I have used both in similar configurations, and I personally am more impressed with design with the Dell. I have found their support to be more helpful but both were comparable. We are low-budget shop and the big difference that I see is this: hot-swap drives, etc cost less for the Dell. I often buy minor parts like hot swap trays for our Dell servers on auction (ebay, etc) at a very reasonable cost. That is basically impossible for Compaq stuff. For some reason everything like that costs 5x as much for the Compaq. I typically can get a hot swap tray for a Dell for $20. But the same part for a Compaq costs $100. Go figure. Also, I was able to add off-the-shelf cpu's (without an additional regulator or adaptor) to my Dell PowerEdge servers. Don't think that is an option with the Compaq. So, they are both great servers. Both have good support, and great performance. But the Compaq is definitely more propietary if you ask me (and more costly to upgrade, even for new cost in my experience). Just my $.02. Kevin Alons -Original Message- From: Mike Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware My experience with 2 failed RAID drives on our Dell servers: Call tech support. 10 minutes on hold, get technician. Explain hard drive self-test notices filling up log. Tech asked how many. I said that I stopped counting at 100. He said they'd get me a new drive ASAP. In both cases, I had a drive in my hand FOUR HOURS LATER, even though we are two hours away from Seattle. Not FedEx overnight, four hours same day, courier didn't arrive until 7:30, but got there in time for same-day replacement. I imagine service better than that. Mike -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:47 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware My issues with Dell go back to the last time we all slagged off all the vendors out there. From that thread I know loads of folks have had good experiences with their Customer Service, but I never have. I have always had to wait for 20 minutes on hold once I pressed 3 for server support, only to get someone telling me that I had got through to the wrong department when I did get a human being. The other thing someone mentioned, that I have also experienced, is that when you do have a hardware failure, the get you jump through a million hoops to avoid what they would call unnecessary service call outs. I think the person mentioned they had a faulty hard drive, and put the phone next to the machine so the guy on the phone could hear it clunking, and he still wanted him to go through all of the diag's. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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I can't hit the delete key fast enough on these emails. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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It's all the extra characters you are typing first ;-) -Original Message- From: Bob Beatty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I can't hit the delete key fast enough on these emails. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
LOL -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
I prefer Willux. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
2nd quarter 2004. -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I prefer Willux. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
I've already bought my ticket. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware 2nd quarter 2004. -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I prefer Willux. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: looking for hardware
so then we can really expect the first RC 2nd quarter 2005. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware 2nd quarter 2004. -Original Message- From: Arnold, Jamie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware I prefer Willux. -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:25 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware That Linux OS really sucks, doesn't it! -Original Message- From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:15 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: looking for hardware So, now that everyone has thrown in their two pennies on this, and re-started the conflict over who is the better manufacturer, are you completely confused? Don't be, because if you can conclude anything out of this exercise is that some people have had good experiences with one vendor or another, while not having good experiences with one vendor or another. The company who makes the server does not really matter. Get a high spec that is going to last you a few years, and is something that you can upgrade. Make sure to have a RAID solution, and throw a backup tape drive in the box as well. Make sure the service contract you get suits your requirements. If your CEO is going to loose it because a hardware failure takes 6 hours to resolve, get a 4 hour agreement, and so forth. Make sure that when you buy the machine you get an account rep who is accountable to you, and is someone you can communicate with regularly, who will take ownership of your problems for you. Find out who they use to send people out to repair hardware, because as someone mentioned earlier, some companies will send third party Tech's out who will try an insert a DIMM backwards. These are the areas which distinguish one company from another because at the end of the day a P4 processor in a Compaq or a dell are just as quick as each other, a 15000 RPM drive, like wise, and so on with Ram, NIC's, Cache, what have you. I have my preferences which I stated earlier along with other folks on the list, and those preferences are based on individual experiences. So the best thing you can do is talk to peers in your city, or area, and get their feedback on their experiences with the various vendors locally, as it is the local outlets of any of these companies that you will ultimately rely on when the time comes. -Original Message- From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:52 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: looking for hardware I'm shopping for a new server for exch2000. Any best bets? Kim List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
