Re: Defragmenting servers
Quick related question: Do you defrag file servers where the store is on a SAN? Does it make a measurable difference? I've got a bit over 2tb in three LUNs on a LH SAN, and have never really bothered, but am interested, and could be convinced... Kurt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:59, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
Re: Defragmenting servers
the whole argument about defrags is nullno app is better than the other...the question is when is defragging too much? On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Quick related question: Do you defrag file servers where the store is on a SAN? Does it make a measurable difference? I've got a bit over 2tb in three LUNs on a LH SAN, and have never really bothered, but am interested, and could be convinced... Kurt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:59, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
Re: Defragmenting servers
I'm not worried about which app to use - I'd probably use either the native app or MyDefrag. It's just a matter of whether it makes sense to do it on a file store that's on a SAN. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 15:19, Raul Torres rztor...@gmail.com wrote: the whole argument about defrags is nullno app is better than the other...the question is when is defragging too much? On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Quick related question: Do you defrag file servers where the store is on a SAN? Does it make a measurable difference? I've got a bit over 2tb in three LUNs on a LH SAN, and have never really bothered, but am interested, and could be convinced... Kurt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:59, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
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You should ask the SAN vendor. In general, my experience is that the upper echelon SAN vendors have tools for optimizing access, and you are better off using those. I have a couple of small NAS and SAN that I defrag, and for accessing large files serially (which is what I tend to put on them), the difference is measurable. For random access, probably not so much. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers Quick related question: Do you defrag file servers where the store is on a SAN? Does it make a measurable difference? I've got a bit over 2tb in three LUNs on a LH SAN, and have never really bothered, but am interested, and could be convinced... Kurt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:59, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
Re: Defragmenting servers
Then I probably won't. The file store is about 5 million files across 2tb. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 15:35, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: You should ask the SAN vendor. In general, my experience is that the upper echelon SAN vendors have tools for optimizing access, and you are better off using those. I have a couple of small NAS and SAN that I defrag, and for accessing large files serially (which is what I tend to put on them), the difference is measurable. For random access, probably not so much. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers Quick related question: Do you defrag file servers where the store is on a SAN? Does it make a measurable difference? I've got a bit over 2tb in three LUNs on a LH SAN, and have never really bothered, but am interested, and could be convinced... Kurt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:59, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
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I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
Re: Defragmenting servers
The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
RE: Defragmenting servers
Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
RE: Defragmenting servers
IIRC, they also said the NT4 Directory was superior to Netware's directory, because a flat directory structure provided better performance. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. **
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Hehe I remember that.and then promptly appropriated all the goodness out of NDS for AD. I can still remember people looking at their first NDS system circa 2002 and telling me they've just ripped off Active Directory with that thing, what is it? 2009/12/16 Campbell, Rob rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net IIRC, they also said the NT4 Directory was superior to Netware's directory, because a flat directory structure provided better performance. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
RE: Defragmenting servers
Honestly, compared to FAT, fragmentation on NTFS was not nearly as big an issue, IMO. Yes it fragmented but the cache-manager/VMM/filesystem and the ability to pre-read the block allocation and order them intelligently for an I/O operation reduced the effect significantly... -sc -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
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Compared to the bindery, it was. NDS, however, is what I'm sure spurred AD on up in Redmond. -sc -Original Message- From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers IIRC, they also said the NT4 Directory was superior to Netware's directory, because a flat directory structure provided better performance. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. **
RE: Defragmenting servers
That is where I got it from. So now it is ok so as long as it is not a database obviously exchange, sql just file systems. Thank you, David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
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Yep. Heh. Long time ago... On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:01, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
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Yup, until they ran into orgs with more than about 50k employees, IIRC. Didn't work so well, and there were resource domains and all sorts of workarounds. Bleh. Never worked in an org that large, though, so was only a spectator to the pain, not a participant, and for that I'm truly grateful. Kurt On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:05, Campbell, Rob rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net wrote: IIRC, they also said the NT4 Directory was superior to Netware's directory, because a flat directory structure provided better performance. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. **
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OK, so does that mean the databases do not get fragmented, or there is another way to defrag them? I do not support our databases, only the hardware that houses them, but I do support Exchange. Thank You ~Doug Rooney Sonoma Tilemakers IT Manager 7750 Bell Rd. Windsor Ca, 95492 (707) 837-8177 X211 (707) 837-9472 FAX i...@sonomatilemakers.com From: David.Ricci [mailto:david.ri...@hwinstitute.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers That is where I got it from. So now it is ok so as long as it is not a database obviously exchange, sql just file systems. Thank you, David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.
RE: Defragmenting servers
There’s two different types of “fragmentation” in databases… There’s good ol’ file system fragmentation of the database files themselves… This type of fragmentation can be somewhat mitigated / limited by intelligently choosing how your DB auto-grows (if you have that feature enabled, or if it’s available depending on the DB/app itself), etc. You don’t want to defrag the DB files while the database is running. It’s generally safe to defrag the files when the DB is not running. If you’re running multiple DB’s, make sure to stop them all. (And of course, back-up first!) Then there’s fragmentation within the DB itself. Fragmentation within the tables or indexes themselves can harm performance as much or even more than file system fragmentation depending on the DB…. Checking and eliminating that type of fragmentation depends on the type of DB you’re talking about. JP From: Doug Rooney [mailto:d...@sonomatilemakers.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 12:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers OK, so does that mean the databases do not get fragmented, or there is another way to defrag them? I do not support our databases, only the hardware that houses them, but I do support Exchange. Thank You ~Doug Rooney Sonoma Tilemakers IT Manager 7750 Bell Rd. Windsor Ca, 95492 (707) 837-8177 X211 (707) 837-9472 FAX i...@sonomatilemakers.commailto:i...@sonomatilemakers.com From: David.Ricci [mailto:david.ri...@hwinstitute.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers That is where I got it from. So now it is ok so as long as it is not a database obviously exchange, sql just file systems. Thank you, David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.comhttp://www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.commailto:david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:02 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers Do you remember way back when? When NT 3.5 and 4.0 came out, Microsoft told us NTFS didn't need defraggingthus was born a new industry. :-) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:58 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Defragmenting servers The really old school notion is to have a file system that doesn't need it, like UFS... Heh. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45, David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.commailto:david.ri...@hwinstitute.com wrote: I was always under the impression that it was bad to defrag a server. I guess that was an old school notion. David M. Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street Providence, RI 02908 T: 401.228.1332 C: 401.256.4933 F: 401.228.1399 www.hwinstitute.comhttp://www.hwinstitute.com david.ri...@hwinstitute.commailto:david.ri...@hwinstitute.com SERVICE. INNOVATION. RESULTS. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:00 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Defragmenting servers It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com.mailto:supp...@hwinstitute.com.
Re: Defragmenting servers
I have wondered this too Harry but I think the question is better put to your shared storage provider. That said, we are testing out Vizioncore's vOptimizer as well On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com wrote: Is it recommended to kick off defrag's for VM's who are using shared storage ? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:41 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: We use PerfectDisk here with uh...results. Inobtrusive, but no idea if it helps or not. I mean the servers stay defragged but that's about all I know :-) David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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After doing some digging, I did find the answer to my initial question. When it comes to defrag'n your VM guests, it's recommended. http://communities.vmware.com/thread/77661 On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, mqcarp mqcarpen...@gmail.com wrote: I have wondered this too Harry but I think the question is better put to your shared storage provider. That said, we are testing out Vizioncore's vOptimizer as well On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Harry Singh hbo...@gmail.com wrote: Is it recommended to kick off defrag's for VM's who are using shared storage ? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:41 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: We use PerfectDisk here with uh...results. Inobtrusive, but no idea if it helps or not. I mean the servers stay defragged but that's about all I know :-) David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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RE: Defragmenting servers
It provides a marginal speed improvement (assuming you defrag regularly). I like MyDefrag (used to be JKDefrag). It's free and it's fast. -Original Message- From: mqcarp [mailto:mqcarpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Defragmenting servers Does anyone use tools like diskeeper to defrag their nondatabase servers? Is it recommended?
