Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Civilme... Welcome back... your advice has been missed but I must admit some like Todd have been a big help in fielding the really tough ones. As for MDK... Just wish 9.0 would make it to the stores before 9.1 comes out... Ok ... so it's not quite that bad... But I do own a boxed copy of every release since and including 7.0. and currently have a lower level membership... and as soon as I start getting a regular check (new company pre fundingwhy did I do this to myself?) I'll upgrade. I have given people MDK... but ... I take the cd's back (they get to use the GPL'd disks from my power-packs) Then I show them what they could have *grin* and of course to use urpmi effectively they really should have the cd's right? Sold my fair share of them this way James. On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 18:18, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. For the second one, here is the real story: Mandrakesoft started on a shoestring and a hope, originally as a spare-time project for one person. It was immensely popular from inception and soon MADE A PROFIT. Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. The soundness of that idea was never proven, as the dot.com bubble burst and investors worldwide went into full retreat. For Mandrakesoft this was a curse and a blessing. The curse was the negative cash position and high burn rate and the blessing was a return to being a linux company. Mandrakesoft has made huge strides in bringing revenue up to meet expenses and in cutting expenses. They tended to trust the word of others which has made their forecasts look overly optimistic several times. But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to attempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses-- I call that a heavily watered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. So anyway, expect to see me return to the lists now that I have an email that will handle it without quota problems and (I hope) without any more crack attacks or DDOSes which is what originally set me to dropping my mailserver and forwarding to a hidden webmail host. Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrading php 4.0.6 to 4.2.3
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 14:16, Patrick Atlas wrote: I would like to upgrade php to version 4.2.3. on Mandrake Linux 8.1 I think the best way is: uninstalling any modules (mysql, gd...) 4.0.6 uninstalling php 4.0.6 installing php 4.2.3 installing any additionnal modules version 4.2.3 Anyone can confirm this? Thanks! Patrick Atlas Unless you want to remove them... you shouldn't need to do this. If the 4.2.3 rpms are MDK versions do a urpmi on the 4.2.3 rpm and this will figure out where and what else you need to make the setup work. If you are doing it the manual way use rpm -Uvh not ivh ... (U=upgrade v=verbose h=hashmarks, so you can see progress.) the most important thing is to get rpms built for 8.1 This will limit the number of new rpms you need to get and upgrade, to something that is a lot more manageable. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] can't compile
If I remember right this means that it can't find the program ldconfig. or glibc-devel is missing... check to make sure you have both of them. James On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 03:48, Dan Cox wrote: I'm trying to compile chkrootkit and am getting the fallowing. [root@diablo chkrootkit-0.38]# make sense gcc -static -o strings strings.c /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [strings] Error 1 I don't see any reference to ld or -lc in the make file. Any suggestions? Dan Cox __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 04:17, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: Well, it's only useful within the realm of those computer things which are inherently non-useful, so the paradigm is safe :-) Though mine's been quieter since I pointed out that our friend the construction contractor is a house hacker instead of a computer hacker, and his wife has to deal with holes in the floors and walls, power and plumbing that might not work from day to day, near-continuous painting projects... :-) good god! that sounds like my laundry room that I started to re-do about a year ago for my wife. I only just recently got the ceiling hung, and I still have to get the window trim put on so's I can put the pantry cupboard back. It's been sitting in the kitchen for about a month now. Me thinks I'd better get that back in the laundry room before christmas or I'm gonna find coal in my stocking! :) Mark Mark, If it where my wife she'd head a little further North with the coal than my stockings *grin*. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Hi Mate, I was wondering where you are ... This List isn't the same without you ... Regarding your Mail. I do agree that something needs to be done and I will do so. But as a developper, I do not like much Workarounds - as the main issue here are the Head People (Top Management) that screwed - and they need to be made responsible for their mistakes. civileme wrote: [...] Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. Well - the Problem with these Venture capitalist is that you need to hire Managers/Directors/Consultants etc. and to pay them - unfortunatly - they do not really bring something productive into the company. The company then has to lay off appro. 2 Employees/Manager, 6 Employees/Consultant, 30 Employees per Director to pay their salaries/fees - and that's why I lost total respect on those people. They may restructure the Company, but they break quite heavily what existed before, lay off the expertise that is required to sustain them as they do not think in Term of Knowledge - but only in terms of Cash. Even in the Company I work now - we feel the same level of problems (When I started, Europe had about 990 Employees, now about 300 are left). My Idea would be to reset the Mandrake-Soft into a GPL'd System - Similar to the Debian group - and continue. As long as these Directors/Managers will be there - they will shout for Cash, Income etc. without really contributing something to it. Remember - everywhere you have High Level Managers/Directors etc. - there is a potential guy with no real understanding on the matter that can blow it. And the Day they leave a company - they get even paid for leaving it... We should make them responsible for the Live of a company with their personal goods ! In this way - they'd be looking at what they screw ! or not ... So - the only sure way to have something survive that actually has a very high impact and is loved by the People who use it - is to keep it small - and lay off all these unneeded Directors/Consultants that are to be considered as vampires sucking out the living substance of what is a healthy company. Having people who know how it works, with a little bit on Finance knowledge - should be enough to get a company up and running within the selfsustaining costs. Just my 2cents... PS: If someone from Mandrakesoft could forward this to the Vampires and tell me what they Think - I'd be happy to know their answers. Cherio The Smurph -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Software suggestion request.
All, Looking to set up a simple online user survey. The requirements are. 1. able to gather and colate data into mysql. 2. Easy to manage (Marketing types will be controling it.) 3. Able to output results as an e-mail 4. I don't have to write the php pages *grin* 5. Person being surveyed needs to only know how to type and click buttons. 6. browser based admin / setup. We are looking to ask a set of maybe 10-15 questions of our customers on their experience in using the product as well as gather info on what they did / didn't like. The questions may/will change often enough that it should be totally browser based. Any suggestions? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 16:50, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 22:57, James Sparenberg wrote: I've got to put in my 2 cents here. For me... 8.2 bit bad. Why, I was running i810 and i815 chipset motherboards and having all kinds of stability problems with 9.0 these boxes have all been rock solid. any funky hassles I've had have been either due to pushing the box too hard or trying to do something I shouldn't have been trying to do. Not due to a weakness in 9.0. Actually I've found it to be the most solidly tested version since 7.0. Yes there are problems with programs that run ON Linux. KDE - Gnome - etc etc. Many of these aren't so much MDK problems as just... problems. If you ever want something that will drive you nuts trying to get it to do what you want... try RH 8.0... Blue blows. James Heck, I haven't even touched the new distro or the new GUI -- but I do have to work on a number of RH 7.x servers, and man do I miss urpmi. I also think Mandrake RPMs are generally better put together. That is, less likely to be broken and more likely to have the configure options I wanted. In response to James...I've noticed the exact opposite. I'm so fed up with trying to do server with 9.0 I've vowed it will never see any more of the servers I administrate. Whether at home or at the office. 8.2, on the other hand works exceptionally as either a workstation or a server. 9.0 does just dandy as a workstation, but there appears to be a lot needing attention when it comes to the server end. Networking is at the top of the list right now. Mark Well I will admit that Desktops are more of a concern for me than plain servers... And that with MDK it wants a heavy footprint. But I just de-commissioned (by force the hardware died) a 7.2 Mandrake box that had run without a hiccup or a breakin for over 2 years. 24-7-52 ... MDK RH or Slack... each has it's fun points. (slack is very unforgiving ) Biggest problem with RH is that it installs to many problem rpms (telnet r services finger etc) by default. With Mandrake the hassle is for me getting it installed sans gui.(again fewer services fewer holes.) For Laptops... MDK all the way... 2 identical dell boxes the other week... MDK ... installed and running in 30 minutes... RH ... 3 days and only limping. RH and MDK run neck n neck on one point ... I've got updates set up on a cron job... if it comes out I get it and an e-mail to boot. One thing though... MDK does have more options. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software suggestion request.
Hi James, I don't think I know such a Software yet - but it shouldn't take more than 3 days to write a phpWebsite module for that. Cheers Joerg James Sparenberg wrote: All, Looking to set up a simple online user survey. The requirements are. 1. able to gather and colate data into mysql. 2. Easy to manage (Marketing types will be controling it.) 3. Able to output results as an e-mail 4. I don't have to write the php pages *grin* 5. Person being surveyed needs to only know how to type and click buttons. 6. browser based admin / setup. We are looking to ask a set of maybe 10-15 questions of our customers on their experience in using the product as well as gather info on what they did / didn't like. The questions may/will change often enough that it should be totally browser based. Any suggestions? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Display Manager has gone south
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 04:17, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: Well, it's only useful within the realm of those computer things which are inherently non-useful, so the paradigm is safe :-) Though mine's been quieter since I pointed out that our friend the construction contractor is a house hacker instead of a computer hacker, and his wife has to deal with holes in the floors and walls, power and plumbing that might not work from day to day, near-continuous painting projects... :-) good god! that sounds like my laundry room that I started to re-do about a year ago for my wife. I only just recently got the ceiling hung, and I still have to get the window trim put on so's I can put the pantry cupboard back. It's been sitting in the kitchen for about a month now. Me thinks I'd better get that back in the laundry room before christmas or I'm gonna find coal in my stocking! :) Mark Mark, If it where my wife she'd head a little further North with the coal than my stockings *grin*. James James, Ouch! I hope my wife didn't hear you say that. It might give her ideas! Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software Manager Sucks
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 16:50, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 22:57, James Sparenberg wrote: I've got to put in my 2 cents here. For me... 8.2 bit bad. Why, I was running i810 and i815 chipset motherboards and having all kinds of stability problems with 9.0 these boxes have all been rock solid. any funky hassles I've had have been either due to pushing the box too hard or trying to do something I shouldn't have been trying to do. Not due to a weakness in 9.0. Actually I've found it to be the most solidly tested version since 7.0. Yes there are problems with programs that run ON Linux. KDE - Gnome - etc etc. Many of these aren't so much MDK problems as just... problems. If you ever want something that will drive you nuts trying to get it to do what you want... try RH 8.0... Blue blows. James Heck, I haven't even touched the new distro or the new GUI -- but I do have to work on a number of RH 7.x servers, and man do I miss urpmi. I also think Mandrake RPMs are generally better put together. That is, less likely to be broken and more likely to have the configure options I wanted. In response to James...I've noticed the exact opposite. I'm so fed up with trying to do server with 9.0 I've vowed it will never see any more of the servers I administrate. Whether at home or at the office. 8.2, on the other hand works exceptionally as either a workstation or a server. 9.0 does just dandy as a workstation, but there appears to be a lot needing attention when it comes to the server end. Networking is at the top of the list right now. Mark Well I will admit that Desktops are more of a concern for me than plain servers... And that with MDK it wants a heavy footprint. But I just de-commissioned (by force the hardware died) a 7.2 Mandrake box that had run without a hiccup or a breakin for over 2 years. 24-7-52 ... MDK RH or Slack... each has it's fun points. (slack is very unforgiving ) Biggest problem with RH is that it installs to many problem rpms (telnet r services finger etc) by default. With Mandrake the hassle is for me getting it installed sans gui.(again fewer services fewer holes.) For Laptops... MDK all the way... 2 identical dell boxes the other week... MDK ... installed and running in 30 minutes... RH ... 3 days and only limping. RH and MDK run neck n neck on one point ... I've got updates set up on a cron job... if it comes out I get it and an e-mail to boot. One thing though... MDK does have more options. James O I agree 1000%...MDK all the way. While I really like MDK9.0, I'm still quite frustrated over the networking troubles that seem to exist on the system when it comes to setting it up, getting it running, *correctly*. There don't appear to be these same problems with MDK 8.2. That goes in without a hassle and I've been known to get a server functional with 2 hours. RedHat 8.0 on the other hand is, without a doubt, a workstation ONLY distro. That poor bugger has been so severely crippled when it comes to administrating it as a server I can't even begin to tell ya. More and more...Mandrake is the one and only. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!
does your motherboard video have shared video memory?? or do you ave a video card? On Friday 20 December 2002 09:29 am, Mark Weaver wrote: flacycads wrote: Mark, This is simplistic, but do other cdroms work in that machine? If so, the first thing I would check is for finger smudges or scratches on your cdrom disk. I've had installs stop, and rejection of cd-2 or cd-3 when asked for them. I couldn't figure it out, until I cleaned off the cdrom of small finger smudges. Then all went perfectly. It's amazing how a little smudge can prevent the thing from being read at a certain point, and this seems to abort the installs. Of course, this might not be your problem, but certainly worth a look. Robert Crawford Hi Robert, I hadn't thought of that and will definately check it out. The one thing that makes me wonder though is that the very same thing happened when I attempted to load Mandrake 8.2 as well as 9.0. But I will check the finger smudges first. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Monday 23 December 2002 09:18 pm, you wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. Yeah, Civileme - you rock! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 H:18 am, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. This is indeed a present to make it Christmas to remember, welcome back and a Merry Christmas to you, your family, and while I'm at it, all on these lists. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 04:49 AM, Joerg Mertin wrote:
I was wondering where you are ... This List isn't the same without you
...
Regarding your Mail. I do agree that something needs to be done and I
will do so. But as a developper, I do not like much Workarounds - as
the main issue here are the Head People (Top Management) that screwed
- and they need to be made responsible for their mistakes.
civileme wrote:
[...]
Then arrived the venture capitalists
They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to
manage the company. Such a team was acquired.
Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant
increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux
distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux.
[...]
My Idea would be to reset the Mandrake-Soft into a GPL'd System -
Similar to the Debian group - and continue. As long as these
Directors/Managers will be there - they will shout for Cash, Income
etc. without really contributing something to it.
This has been done a long time ago. The individuals civileme was
referring to have not been with the company for some time.
Remember - everywhere you have High Level Managers/Directors etc. -
there is a potential guy with no real understanding on the matter that
can blow it. And the Day they leave a company - they get even paid for
leaving it... We should make them responsible for the Live of a
company with their personal goods ! In this way - they'd be looking at
what they screw ! or not ...
So - the only sure way to have something survive that actually has a
very high impact and is loved by the People who use it - is to keep it
small - and lay off all these unneeded Directors/Consultants that are
to be considered as vampires sucking out the living substance of what
is a healthy company.
Having people who know how it works, with a little bit on Finance
knowledge - should be enough to get a company up and running within
the selfsustaining costs.
Again, they're gone, and have been for some time. That's the only
reason why things are as good as they are now... if they had remained
on board, I think MandrakeSoft would be history right now.
Just my 2cents...
PS: If someone from Mandrakesoft could forward this to the Vampires
and tell me what they Think - I'd be happy to know their answers.
I don't think the vampires would respond as they have nothing to do
with MandrakeSoft anymore. =)
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Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 02:21 pm, you wrote: On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 04:49 AM, Joerg Mertin wrote: I was wondering where you are ... This List isn't the same without you ... Regarding your Mail. I do agree that something needs to be done and I will do so. But as a developper, I do not like much Workarounds - as the main issue here are the Head People (Top Management) that screwed - and they need to be made responsible for their mistakes. civileme wrote: [...] Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. [...] My Idea would be to reset the Mandrake-Soft into a GPL'd System - Similar to the Debian group - and continue. As long as these Directors/Managers will be there - they will shout for Cash, Income etc. without really contributing something to it. This has been done a long time ago. The individuals civileme was referring to have not been with the company for some time. Remember - everywhere you have High Level Managers/Directors etc. - there is a potential guy with no real understanding on the matter that can blow it. And the Day they leave a company - they get even paid for leaving it... We should make them responsible for the Live of a company with their personal goods ! In this way - they'd be looking at what they screw ! or not ... So - the only sure way to have something survive that actually has a very high impact and is loved by the People who use it - is to keep it small - and lay off all these unneeded Directors/Consultants that are to be considered as vampires sucking out the living substance of what is a healthy company. Having people who know how it works, with a little bit on Finance knowledge - should be enough to get a company up and running within the selfsustaining costs. Again, they're gone, and have been for some time. That's the only reason why things are as good as they are now... if they had remained on board, I think MandrakeSoft would be history right now. Just my 2cents... PS: If someone from Mandrakesoft could forward this to the Vampires and tell me what they Think - I'd be happy to know their answers. I don't think the vampires would respond as they have nothing to do with MandrakeSoft anymore. =) Mandrake is a great distribution and I hope it stays around.I believe an open source project should be a lean machine.I think Mandrake needs to take inventory and trim the fat.Focus on what they do best.Long Live Mandrake. Mike -- http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 12:37 PM, mike wrote:
[...]
I don't think the vampires would respond as they have nothing to do
with MandrakeSoft anymore. =)
Mandrake is a great distribution and I hope it stays around.I believe
an open
source project should be a lean machine.I think Mandrake needs to take
inventory and trim the fat.Focus on what they do best.Long Live
Mandrake.
And just what do you think we've been doing over the last few months?
=)
I'd say a lot of fat has been trimmed. The machine is *really* lean
right now... thus the increase of capital. This is required for
Mandrake to remain any kind of machine. The end result will be a lean
machine (not too lean, mind you... can't put out a distro with only 10
people!).
Bottom line is this: It's time for people to step up to the plate and
walk the walk, not just talk the talk. We've done what we had to do,
and very painfully at times, to get MandrakeSoft where it is right
now... we had a *lot* to recover from, which civileme touched on.
We've done that. But for us to continue, the community has to show a
little support.
I know what I want to be doing next Christmas.. playing with Mandrake
9.2. The question is, what do you want to be doing next Christmas?
Also playing with Mandrake 9.2 or being frustrated at having to use a
lesser distribution? Or another OS entirely?
For those who feel similar sentiments (ie. Long Live Mandrake and I
hope it stays around), I would sincerely ask you to put your money
where your mouth is. It's one thing to say you would like Mandrake to
be around forever and how much you love it, it's an entirely different
story to support the cause financially.
I would also recommend that, despite some problems a few people have
had, people purchase their boxed sets of Mandrake from MandrakeStore.
We see a lot more revenue this way than if you go down the block to
whatever store you shop at and purchase it. Putting money into
distributor and retailer pockets doesn't help MandrakeSoft. If a box
set isn't that important to you (ie. you don't need nice packaging and
a printed manual), then getting a MandrakeClub subscription is the best
way to go. Club generates the highest percentage of revenue, and every
penny counts. Plus, with Club, all the goodies you get on your CDs in
the box set you can get online (great for broadband users, maybe not so
great for dialup users).
All these things will help keep Mandrake alive.
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Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 12:53, Vincent Danen wrote: I would also recommend that, despite some problems a few people have had, people purchase their boxed sets of Mandrake from MandrakeStore. We see a lot more revenue this way than if you go down the block to whatever store you shop at and purchase it. Putting money into distributor and retailer pockets doesn't help MandrakeSoft. If a box set isn't that important to you (ie. you don't need nice packaging and a printed manual), then getting a MandrakeClub subscription is the best way to go. Club generates the highest percentage of revenue, and every penny counts. Plus, with Club, all the goodies you get on your CDs in the box set you can get online (great for broadband users, maybe not so great for dialup users). All these things will help keep Mandrake alive. I just upgraded to silver. merry christmas, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 04:15 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 12:53, Vincent Danen wrote: I would also recommend that, despite some problems a few people have had, people purchase their boxed sets of Mandrake from MandrakeStore. We see a lot more revenue this way than if you go down the block to whatever store you shop at and purchase it. Putting money into distributor and retailer pockets doesn't help MandrakeSoft. If a box set isn't that important to you (ie. you don't need nice packaging and a printed manual), then getting a MandrakeClub subscription is the best way to go. Club generates the highest percentage of revenue, and every penny counts. Plus, with Club, all the goodies you get on your CDs in the box set you can get online (great for broadband users, maybe not so great for dialup users). All these things will help keep Mandrake alive. I just upgraded to silver. merry christmas, I bought a t-shirt and a cap. Mike -- Mandrake 8.2 2.4.18-8.1mdk http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 15:53, Vincent Danen wrote:
On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 12:37 PM, mike wrote:
[...]
I don't think the vampires would respond as they have nothing to do
with MandrakeSoft anymore. =)
Mandrake is a great distribution and I hope it stays around.I believe
an open
source project should be a lean machine.I think Mandrake needs to take
inventory and trim the fat.Focus on what they do best.Long Live
Mandrake.
And just what do you think we've been doing over the last few months?
=)
I'd say a lot of fat has been trimmed. The machine is *really* lean
right now... thus the increase of capital. This is required for
Mandrake to remain any kind of machine. The end result will be a lean
machine (not too lean, mind you... can't put out a distro with only 10
people!).
The fact of the matter is that TOO much fat was trimmed. The muscle was
getting sliced. There were good people that were laid off that should
have never had to go because they were productives, but yet were forced
to because of the clueless venture capitalists.
We need to get Mandrake back to the point where they can start hiring
again and bring some folks back on board.
Bottom line is this: It's time for people to step up to the plate and
walk the walk, not just talk the talk. We've done what we had to do,
and very painfully at times, to get MandrakeSoft where it is right
now... we had a *lot* to recover from, which civileme touched on.
We've done that. But for us to continue, the community has to show a
little support.
Amen. I've transferred funds out of savings for this, and when they
become available after Christmas, I'm upgrading to silver. Even though
technically I can't afford it right now. But I'm going to feel some
personal pain in order to get this done, because that's how much I
believe in this company and what they do.
If there was a Lug started here, I'd be pushing Mandrake for all it is
worth.
I know what I want to be doing next Christmas.. playing with Mandrake
9.2. The question is, what do you want to be doing next Christmas?
Also playing with Mandrake 9.2 or being frustrated at having to use a
lesser distribution? Or another OS entirely?
Excellent point.
For those who feel similar sentiments (ie. Long Live Mandrake and I
hope it stays around), I would sincerely ask you to put your money
where your mouth is. It's one thing to say you would like Mandrake to
be around forever and how much you love it, it's an entirely different
story to support the cause financially.
I would also recommend that, despite some problems a few people have
had, people purchase their boxed sets of Mandrake from MandrakeStore.
We see a lot more revenue this way than if you go down the block to
whatever store you shop at and purchase it. Putting money into
distributor and retailer pockets doesn't help MandrakeSoft.
I made this suggestion too, quite some time ago; hopefully the majority
of folks have been going to the Mandrake store.
If a box
set isn't that important to you (ie. you don't need nice packaging and
a printed manual), then getting a MandrakeClub subscription is the best
way to go. Club generates the highest percentage of revenue, and every
penny counts. Plus, with Club, all the goodies you get on your CDs in
the box set you can get online (great for broadband users, maybe not so
great for dialup users).
All these things will help keep Mandrake alive.
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Excellent post. And merry christmas, Vincent. :)
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[expert] Small speed increase
I need to improve my box speed a bit because I can't watch divx well (the skip only a bit). Will I obtain a 5-8% speed improvement if I recompile kernel 2.4.20 (from kernel.org plus http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ patches) and xfree 4.2? I have a mdk9 box. If yes, which is the correct sequence to execute to compile xfree? I already know how to prepare the kernel but I never compiled and installed xfree. Thanks Olaf olaf@ kjws.com for every kind of mail, except spam! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] CMD 649 IDE Controller Card
Has anyone gotten this IDE controller card to work? Linux can see it, and any hard drive or device I have hooked up to it, but whenever I try to access it, Linux freezes up. Searching through Google it seems like it should be naturally supported, but I haven't had any luck with it. It works in XP just fine after I installed the driver, but unfortunatly I can't seem to find any Linux drivers for it. Here's what /proc/pci says: Bus 0, device 10, function 0: RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc PCI0649 (rev 2). IRQ 3. Master Capable. Latency=64. Min Gnt=2.Max Lat=4. I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807]. I/O at 0xb400 [0xb403]. I/O at 0xb000 [0xb007]. I/O at 0xa800 [0xa803]. I/O at 0xa400 [0xa40f]. I also just tried a fresh install of Mandrake, but it freezes during the partitioning phase, which I guess is when it tries to access the hard drive attached to the card. Anyone know what I need to do to get Linux to access drives attached to it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 01:18 pm, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. Welcome back - its great to see such loyalty, and expertise not going to waste :) 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. Allrighty - make it easier for me to join the club - I *don't* have a credit card -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 9.0 Kernel version: 2.4.19-16mdk Uptime: minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Stable video card
On Monday 18 November 2002 01:00 pm, luke wrote: Hey guys, i'm going to be buying a new video card (PCI) for my mandrake 9.0 installation, I was hoping to get a 32 mg card with 3d acceleration that works well in mandrake. Any suggestions? I have a couple ATI cards that work, but the 3d support is flaky ... Well, my vote for a PCI card would have to go to the 16-meg 3dfx Voodoo3. Linux loves it, the 3D acceleration works, and they're cheap as if you can find them. If you can snag a Voodoo4 or even a 5 that'd be awesome!! OTOH, if you're after a new 32-meg, why not an nVidia? I know they're closed source drivers, but there's really not a lot around in PCI anymore ... -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 9.0 Kernel version: 2.4.19-16mdk Uptime: minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Stable video card
Voodoos are good, but I've had overheating problems with mine -- there's also a lot of outdated documentation out there that can really help you screw it up :-) Another issue to be aware of is that new games which use direct rendering (like UT) will only work with an nVidia card. On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 15:01, John Haywood wrote: On Monday 18 November 2002 01:00 pm, luke wrote: Hey guys, i'm going to be buying a new video card (PCI) for my mandrake 9.0 installation, I was hoping to get a 32 mg card with 3d acceleration that works well in mandrake. Any suggestions? I have a couple ATI cards that work, but the 3d support is flaky ... Well, my vote for a PCI card would have to go to the 16-meg 3dfx Voodoo3. Linux loves it, the 3D acceleration works, and they're cheap as if you can find them. If you can snag a Voodoo4 or even a 5 that'd be awesome!! OTOH, if you're after a new 32-meg, why not an nVidia? I know they're closed source drivers, but there's really not a lot around in PCI anymore ... -- john in sydney = Mandrake Linux 9.0 Kernel version: 2.4.19-16mdk Uptime: minutes = Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Argh. Sign up for PayPal. Then get their debit card. Then you can either transfer money into the PayPal account or they can hot your bank account directly. It will take a few days (2 or 3) but it comes in handy at times like this. There are horror storeis about PayPal around the web but I have used PayPal for several hundred transactions without a hitch. Jim Tarvid On Tuesday 24 December 2002 05:34 pm, John Haywood wrote: On Tuesday 24 December 2002 01:18 pm, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. Welcome back - its great to see such loyalty, and expertise not going to waste :) : 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. Allrighty - make it easier for me to join the club - I *don't* have a credit card Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 03:22 PM, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: [...] And just what do you think we've been doing over the last few months? =) I'd say a lot of fat has been trimmed. The machine is *really* lean right now... thus the increase of capital. This is required for Mandrake to remain any kind of machine. The end result will be a lean machine (not too lean, mind you... can't put out a distro with only 10 people!). The fact of the matter is that TOO much fat was trimmed. The muscle was getting sliced. There were good people that were laid off that should have never had to go because they were productives, but yet were forced to because of the clueless venture capitalists. I agree. We lost some extremely valuable people due to the restructuring, and no one was happy about it. Unfortunately, it was either lose them or lose everyone; there was no choice. We need to get Mandrake back to the point where they can start hiring again and bring some folks back on board. Trust me, no one would like to see this more than MandrakeSoft itself. =) When MandrakeSoft is at a position where we make a continuous profit, beyond the break even point, then everyone will know that the distribution is receiving full attention. It's unfortunate that we've been unable to do that... keeping the company afloat and trying to raise some money has made people spend more time thinking about the company than what the company produces, which is understandable. However, I think everyone will be happier when we can focus our full attention on the distribution and creating new and exciting services and products because worrying about money will be a thing of the past. That goal is exactly what we've been striving for for months. This isn't something we started doing yesterday, or last month, or even in the last two months. This has been an ongoing struggle to keep Mandrake Linux alive. Bottom line is this: It's time for people to step up to the plate and walk the walk, not just talk the talk. We've done what we had to do, and very painfully at times, to get MandrakeSoft where it is right now... we had a *lot* to recover from, which civileme touched on. We've done that. But for us to continue, the community has to show a little support. Amen. I've transferred funds out of savings for this, and when they become available after Christmas, I'm upgrading to silver. Even though technically I can't afford it right now. But I'm going to feel some personal pain in order to get this done, because that's how much I believe in this company and what they do. Lyvim, that is *so* appreciated, and I will personally thank you (and everyone else who shows their support in this manner) for doing so. It means so much to me, and I think everyone at MandrakeSoft, to see and hear users doing this. It not only illustrates to us that you care, but that you have a vested interest in the future of MandrakeSoft, which means we're not doing all of this for nothing. I can tell you now that the MandrakeSoft employees have made a lot of sacrifices to keep things going this long. I also know that many of us go far beyond what would be expected of us in any other job. To see that all of the extra time and effort given by the MandrakeSoft staff is of value to you (enough value that you are willing to pay for it), is highly encouraging. If there was a Lug started here, I'd be pushing Mandrake for all it is worth. Somewhat deviating from the topic, but why not start one? I can't believe you're the only person using Linux wherever you live... =) I know what I want to be doing next Christmas.. playing with Mandrake 9.2. The question is, what do you want to be doing next Christmas? Also playing with Mandrake 9.2 or being frustrated at having to use a lesser distribution? Or another OS entirely? Excellent point. For those who feel similar sentiments (ie. Long Live Mandrake and I hope it stays around), I would sincerely ask you to put your money where your mouth is. It's one thing to say you would like Mandrake to be around forever and how much you love it, it's an entirely different story to support the cause financially. I would also recommend that, despite some problems a few people have had, people purchase their boxed sets of Mandrake from MandrakeStore. We see a lot more revenue this way than if you go down the block to whatever store you shop at and purchase it. Putting money into distributor and retailer pockets doesn't help MandrakeSoft. I made this suggestion too, quite some time ago; hopefully the majority of folks have been going to the Mandrake store. Me too. I don't know what the exact figures are because I'm quite far removed from MandrakeStore and the financials of the company, but I suspect that we are probably losing a large percentage of potential revenue each time someone buys from a store instead of from us directly. Granted, even when you buy a boxed set direct
Re: [expert] Installation just stops! ?? help!
ET wrote: does your motherboard video have shared video memory?? or do you ave a video card? Hi ET, If I remember correctly this mobo has shared video memory for the onboard card. I had an S3 Virge card in it that as soon as I took the card out of the machine it worked fine and the system installed flawlessly. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
I too would hate to see a distro as good as Mandrake leave us. Being that im on disability (which dont pay much)it isnt easy to come up wit the funds but after chrstmas I will be upgrading my membership, purchasing a t-shirt (allways wanted one but never got around to it) and a boxed set. I've downloaded my fare share of iso's it's time I paid my dues. Maybe after I have my carpal tunnel surgery I can get employed as a Linux Admin :) Merry Xmas Mandrake -- Bill Beauchemin www.billbeau.net Home of Beau's Bullet and Beautie Goldens Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
