Re: [expert] samba, browsing windows

2003-02-02 Thread Dianne Marie Montesa
you can try lineighborhood which can be downloaded at:

http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/

or you can use Gnomba:

http://online.linuxberg.com/internet/preview/31546.html


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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

2003-02-02 Thread Luca Olivetti
. wrote:

Has anyone had success with mplayer and mencoder on 9.0?  I got a 
basic mplayer and mencoder compiled, but the functionality is extremely 
limited ... especially for mencoder.  For example, I can not seem to do 
anything to make the configure script find libmp3lame, which is crucial 
for doing anything with mp3's in mencoder.

I'd appreciate help from anyone with success.

Make yourself a favour and go to http://plf.zarb.org

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Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

2003-02-02 Thread Azrael
Hmm.. I had to wrestle with beta3 :(

during install it couldn't modprobe hptraid
after install kdm and gdm wouldn't run, I think X was pooped.

so I did a clean install of 9.1beta1 - then upgraded with 9.1beta3
And all seems nice now.
My sound card still installs as audigy.. (rather than live 5.1 plat) so
I need to manually change that to use emu10k whatever.. but that's no
big deal for me.


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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

2003-02-02 Thread J. Grant
Hi Gwenole,

Gwenole Beauchesne wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, J. Grant wrote:


Could deps be created so that the dictionarys are installed and then 
configured automatically? This would save time for all users.

Deps already exist. Global configuration is already performed. i.e. 
updates to dictionary.lst.

Deps are broken for en_GB then, myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk is
not installed my my 2 mdk9 systems, I installed with en_GB as my locale.

So, I installed manually, but as there were still problems I tried to 
remove.

# rpm -e myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk
error: removing these packages would break dependencies:
myspell-dictionary is needed by OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-9mdk

The removal dep is there.

To be honest there should be no dep, but the dictionary it *should* be
selected for install automatically as this is user friendly.  The same
for rpm -e myspell* etc, if someone is trying to remove it it should be
allowed.

Also, myspell-en_CA-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk was installed on my system by
default! I did not select any en_CA locales during install or after.  I
just removed all OO and myspell-*, trying to install OO again required
the en_CA myspell dictionarys.  So another dep is broken.
myspell-en_JA-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk  was also required,  as I said above
I belive this should be selected for install, but not forced (i selected
JA as second locale during install).


OpenOffice.org-l10n-ca-1.0.1-9mdk  was not reqired to reinstall, this is 
atleast correct. Again myspell-en_CA-1.0.1-0.20020315.4mdk was installed 
though.

myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk was not selected for install by
rpmdrake, I installed it manually after.

I saw the rpm script that updated /usr/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst,
but if the rpm is not installed it won't matter that it is updated 
correctly.

Note that MySpell dictionaries are in /usr/share/dict/ooo/ so that 
our Mozilla can also see them.

Still the dictionary needs to be switched on internally in OO, I do not
know a work around for that one yet.


What do you mean by switched on internally in OOo? The user will enable 
dictionaries *he* wants and those that are actually available. I can't 
force a default for a user especially for a dictionary it wouldn't want 
and also because the dictionary wouldn't exist.

When OO is loaded it is neccessary to go to OO Tools- Options - Language
Settings -Writing Aids, select OO MySpell SpellChecker,  click edit
and enable for English(UK).

Also in OO the Tools- Options - Language Settings - Languages I have
to set Locale to English(UK) and Default language to English(UK).

The later is required to be set for each new document, for some reason
it is not saved; and the default is no western locale!

These are minor configuration problems compared to the other issues, but 
would
be very nice to have initalised with a sensible default, as MS-Word and
etc has.


If I install en_GB and I open en_GB OO documents, it is fair to assume I
would like to check them with an en_GB dictionary.  I think that is obvious.


Hopefully you can answer some of these queries and improve the next 
version of mdk.

Regards

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

2003-02-02 Thread Tom
Ron is correct about the KDE failure. However, the updates may or may not be 
relevent. I had the very same thing happen. Only I was editting the menus via 
menudrake and did something with showing only KDE items. I ended up 
reloading 9.0 and have been very careful with the menus since then.

On Saturday 01 February 2003 06:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Ron,

   Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
 any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
 installed you do.

 James

 On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 15:13, Ron Stodden wrote:
  Dave Laird wrote:
  O my GOD! Mandrake 9.1beta3 installed without one single hitch, error,
  or problem of any sort. This is AWESOME! When it's finished it's going
   to be the best Mandrake version ever.
  
   For the benefit of those of us sitting this dance out, could you please
   tell us more about what makes it so awesome? What has really changed
   from 9.0?
 
  Has the problem with attempts to apply a selection of 9.0-updates
  (supposed to
  be well tested compulsory security fixes) totally clobbering 9.0 as
  something useful
  been guaranteed fixed?
 
  This has happened consistently on 3 of my 9.0 partitions so far, and the
  only
  remedy is to go to another distribution until Mandrake has it corrected.
So much
  for the wisdom of development and QA layoffs at MandrakeSoft.
 
  The first symptom is loss of most of the KDE task bar icons and
  abbreviation
  of the KDE menu.  Mozilla printing and other things , like no longer any
  service
  command, get clobbered too.
 
  Stay release until this is absolutely corrected.
 
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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

2003-02-02 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:36:12 +
J. Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 # rpm -e myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk
 error: removing these packages would break dependencies:
  myspell-dictionary is needed by OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-9mdk
 
 The removal dep is there.
 
 To be honest there should be no dep, but the dictionary it *should* be
 selected for install automatically as this is user friendly.  The same
 for rpm -e myspell* etc, if someone is trying to remove it it should
 be allowed.


The Require is for AN myspell-dictionary not specifically en_CA.
That 1 happens to be the 1 installed by default because it is the 1st
listed en dictionary.

Had you installed a second myspell-dictionary you would have received no
error when you ran rpm -e myspell-en_GB


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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

2003-02-02 Thread David E. Fox

 On this same note... When I was trying to compile the KDE 3.1 package=20
 kdelibs, I got some weird compile errors that appeared to be simple synta=
 x=20

I didn't get syntax errors but this system fails to compile and has
done so as far back as I can remember somewhere in kio/kdoctools or
some such within kdelibs. I have always gotten unresolved _dl_*
libraries in /lib/libc.so.6 from the linker at this point and
basically gave up on compiling kde. I thought I'd give 3.1 sources
another try but the same results occur with the 9.0 development stuff
as has happened with different gcc/binutils and different
distributions, going back, if I recall correctly, to Mandrake 7.2 or
8.0.

I've since upgraded to gcc-3.2 as part of upgrading to kde 3.1 on
cooker, but that upgrade broke some other fundamental things and it
will be sometime before I can get back to what I was doing. :(




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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

2003-02-02 Thread David E. Fox
 
 Hi list,
 
 Has anyone successfully managed to compile any of the new KDE packages. 
 (the 3.1 final release) there aren't any rpm's yet for Mandrake so I 

I haven't. I got as far as arts from the src on ftp.kde.org last
night. kdelibs got as far as the kdoctools component, after a large
number (way more than normal in my experience) of segfaults in the ld
step. It happened quite a number of times in kio.

These ld sig11 segfaults happen from time to time on my system (Asus
motherboard, AMD Athlon 1ghz processor, 256M RAM) but I can redo the
'make' and keep going. This morning I woke up to another segfault and
had to do several 'make's to get through kdelibs/kio, only to find
that kdoctools has yet again failed to compile, emitting a page's
worth of _dl_* link errors. This is something I've never been able to
get around for over a year at least.

As of this morning (Feb 2) I still don't see RPMs for 3.1 on
ftp.kde.org, but I upgraded the packages via urpmi on cooker, and 3.1
seems to be there, which is a good thing.

However, after the upgrade, I'm stuck on the KDE login/Mandrake splash
screen, and can't login to KDE (or any other GUI) and have to log in
via console. Perhaps I missed something?

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Re: [expert] Kodak Digital Camera and MDK9

2003-02-02 Thread Toshiro
Hola Francisco!

I did what you suggested but it didn't work. When I press the button in the 
camera dock, it appears in the desktop GTKam icon, but I don't see any device
in /dev/sd*.

Saludos,
Toshiro.

El Sáb 25 Ene 2003 12:14, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza escribió:
 It uses CompactFlash.

 OK, then you need to conect it as a scsi device, those are the step you
 should follow (I hope it will work for you):

 A) be sure the next modules are loaded (as root with lsmod):
 usb
 usb-core
 usb-storage
 ide-scsi

 If some of then are not loaded, you shoud probe them (modprobe usb-storage,
 for example); if not error message the next time you must install with
 insmod usb-storage (for the same example).

 B) It is a good idea to create a dir to mount the camera in: mkdir -777
 /mnt/camera (for example; you can select other montage point if you like).

 C) conect the camera to the computer using the usb cable; put the camera in
 the position of download images (usually the same position to see in the
 visor the images, if you have one).

 D) The first time you should test as root the montage:

 mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera

 If everything has gone well, as root you can open konqueror, nautilus or
 other file-explorer and going to /mnt/camera see the images stored in the
 CompactFlash. You can now copy the images or avi files to any directory in
 you HD.

 ARemember to umount (umount /mnt/camera)


 E) If D has run for you, you can make a change in the /etc/fstab file to
 allow any user mount and umount /mnt/camera. For this add the next line inf
 /etc/fstab:

 /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto user,noauto,nosuid 0 0

 Remember that a blank line should be at the end of the fstab file (add it
 if is needed).

 Now, still as root: mount -a

 And any user will be able to mount and umount the camera when conected. As
 I use KDE, it is easy create a new icon (create---new hd-- and select as
 montage point /dev/sda1), so you can mount and umount easily the cameras as
 a removable media.


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[expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
All,

soapbox
Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=3873forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.
/soapbox

trip
   Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.
/trip

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Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Jason Greenwood




I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging.
I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that
as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to
hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass
Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake
WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much
more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must
do better.

I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great
on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The
reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed
but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same
way.

My .0002c worth.

Cheers

Jason Greenwood

James Sparenberg wrote:

  All,

soapbox
Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=3873forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.
/soapbox

trip
   Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.
/trip

James





  
  

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 16:01, Ron Stodden wrote:
 James Sparenberg wrote:
Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
  any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
  installed you do.  
 
 My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?

I usually read error messages and logs but then that's just me.  and
over the course of an update series I hit about 90% of them( the updates
that is.)  Actually IMHO MDK's job is to make sure that the software
works the way the developer made it to work... which often is not the
way I hope it will.  But the only way as I see it for MDK to know of a
problem is for us to complain about it effectively.  As solid as 9.0 is
on my desktops, and some of my laptops I control on my personal laptop
it bytes. My question about what clobbered you was really intended to
find out if I could offer some help.  

James
  
 
 There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
 one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
 the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
 to discover it is not one but some combination.
 
 That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?
 
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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.

On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
 Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the Columbia we
 should be remembering..
 
 Challanger happened 17 years ago.
 
 rgds
 
 Frank
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
 Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
 To: Expert List
 Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
 
 
 In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
 moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a small
 problem can bring.
 
 I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
 many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
 Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
 God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
 
 
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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

2003-02-02 Thread Mark Belanger
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
 I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.

Actually, you stand corrected.

Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)

-Mark

 
 On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
  Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the Columbia we
  should be remembering..
  
  Challanger happened 17 years ago.
  
  rgds
  
  Frank
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
  Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
  To: Expert List
  Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
  
  
  In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
  moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a small
  problem can bring.
  
  I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
  many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
  Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
  God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
  
  
  James Sparenberg
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

2003-02-02 Thread J. Grant
Hi,


The Require is for AN myspell-dictionary not specifically en_CA.
That 1 happens to be the 1 installed by default because it is the 1st
listed en dictionary.

Had you installed a second myspell-dictionary you would have received no
error when you ran rpm -e myspell-en_GB


OK, I just tested.  So, the correct myspell should be selected for 
install, this seems simple to me, select from the locale of the 
installer.  What do you  think Gwenole?

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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
No I was sitting when I typed this so I sat corrected

James


On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 16:04, Mark Belanger wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
  I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.
 
 Actually, you stand corrected.
 
 Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)
 
 -Mark
 
  
  On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
   Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the Columbia we
   should be remembering..
   
   Challanger happened 17 years ago.
   
   rgds
   
   Frank
   
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
   Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
   To: Expert List
   Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
   
   
   In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
   moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a small
   problem can bring.
   
   I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
   many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
   Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
   God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
   
   
   James Sparenberg
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  
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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

2003-02-02 Thread Mark Belanger
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:36, James Sparenberg wrote:
 No I was sitting when I typed this so I sat corrected

Oh, OK.  I crouch corrected.

-Mark

 
 James
 
 
 On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 16:04, Mark Belanger wrote:
  On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
   I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.
  
  Actually, you stand corrected.
  
  Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)
  
  -Mark
  
   
   On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the Columbia we
should be remembering..

Challanger happened 17 years ago.

rgds

Frank

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To: Expert List
Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.


In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a small
problem can bring.

I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.


James Sparenberg








   
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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

2003-02-02 Thread .
Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one 
of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on 
dependencies:
Installation failed:
libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf

	Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it 
isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the 
existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's 
provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run rpm -q 
--whatprovides fully qualified file name to find the rpm.

Thanks,
Cory


Ronald J. Hall wrote:
On Sunday 02 February 2003 12:08 am, . wrote:


	Has anyone had success with mplayer and mencoder on 9.0?  I got a basic
mplayer and mencoder compiled, but the functionality is extremely
limited ... especially for mencoder.  For example, I can not seem to do
anything to make the configure script find libmp3lame, which is crucial
for doing anything with mp3's in mencoder.

	I'd appreciate help from anyone with success.

Thanks,
Cory



Hey Cory. I've not tried to use Mencoder with 9.0 yet (worked fine here under 
8.2) but looking at the files after I configured it, it looks like it found 
libmp3lame:

MENCODER = yes
ENCORE_LIB =  -lxvidcore -lmp3lame -lvorbis -logg

I just installed that as a RPM, IIRC...and the developer RPM from the PLF web 
site...

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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

2003-02-02 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
On Sunday 02 February 2003 01:47 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
  On this same note... When I was trying to compile the KDE 3.1 package=20
  kdelibs, I got some weird compile errors that appeared to be simple
  synta= x=20
[...]

I haven't been able to successfully build KDE sources since somewhere around 
kde 2.2.x days.  No matter what I do, no matter that I install ALL possible 
development tools and libs.  KDE refuses to build.  I ultimately gave up 
trying to build it from source, unfortunately.  The KDE package is by far the 
most problematic source to build of anything I have ever tried.

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Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Praedor Tempus Atrebates
On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[...]
 The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
 should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
 struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
 to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
 graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
 for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue

I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a struggle).  I 
use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently MDK 8.2 with  
a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the 
linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap driver which lets 
it also act as an access point (works well).  

On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18 from 8.2 (I 
rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using the Atmel 
driver.  It is working fine right now and has for days.  I AM afraid to 
shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes back up that 
the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal).  

Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity.

praedor

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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

2003-02-02 Thread Rolf Pedersen
. wrote:

Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one 
of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on 
dependencies:
Installation failed:
libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf

Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it 
isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the 
existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's 
provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run rpm -q 
--whatprovides fully qualified file name to find the rpm.

Thanks,
Cory

It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.



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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

2003-02-02 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 02 February 2003 09:04 pm, . wrote:
 Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
 of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
 dependencies:
 Installation failed:
  libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
  libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
  liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf

   Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
 isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
 existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
 provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run rpm -q
 --whatprovides fully qualified file name to find the rpm.

 Thanks,
 Cory

libdv.so.1 is not on my system.

The other 2 are, and are covered by:

libdv2-0.98-1mdk

As far as I can tell... Hope this helps! :-)

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman
110% of the WiFi drivers/updates have been put into the 2.5.x kernel, you
can patch the 2.4.x kernel and still work finei have.  But WiFi is a new
technology that is not even finalized yet.  The companies through the HW out
to users without ANY of the standards to be completedeven for Winblows.
BUT you can still patch the 2.4 and still work fine, it just takes for
effort.  I personally havent done the 2.5 yet.
Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus
 Atrebates
 Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:25 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1


 On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
 [...]
  The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
  should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
  struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
  to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on
 cardbus ... down
  graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
  for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue

 I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a
 struggle).  I
 use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently
 MDK 8.2 with
 a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the
 linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap
 driver which lets
 it also act as an access point (works well).

 On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18
 from 8.2 (I
 rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using
 the Atmel
 driver.  It is working fine right now and has for days.  I AM afraid to
 shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes
 back up that
 the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal).

 Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity.

 praedor

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 Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars.
 - Friedrich Nietzsche.





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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

2003-02-02 Thread Rolf Pedersen
. wrote:

Can you elaborate on what a contrib/ source is?  I have the CD 
sources, an ftp source of the original 9.0 distro, and ftp update 
source, and the PLF source.  I'm not sure what you mean.

Thanks,
Cory

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:37:24 -0800
From: Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

. wrote:
  Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
  of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
  dependencies:
  Installation failed:
  libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
  libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
  liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
 
  Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
  isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
  existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
  provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run rpm -q
  --whatprovides fully qualified file name to find the rpm.
 
  Thanks,
  Cory

It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.



It's a directory on the Mandrake mirrors full of rpms.  It is for 
downloaders a source of software that is included in the commercial 
pack.  Not sure if there is a one-to-one correspondence but it is 
software in addition to what is available on the 'gpl download edition'. 
 Some non-gpl stuff and some stuff excluded for space considerations. 
This is stated at the plf site that you need to add the contrib source. 
 I used the same syntax as the plf urpmiefier gave for the plf source 
but changed the name from plf to contrib, gave a url for the 
contrib/RPMS directory, and gave 'with synthesis.hdlist2.cz' for the 
hdlist location.  You will see this file is included in the RPMS 
directory.  Funny thing, addmedia failed the first time but completed 
the second try.  I think it has to do with busy mirror or borderline 
problems negotiating a login.


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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman



Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 
kernel. You guys do NOT know how to do your research and are requiring 
things NOW that is almost impossible to do overnight. Most companies have 
not given their HW specs to open source programmers and therefore have to 
reverse engineer and take apart windows items in order to get it to even be 
possible on Linux. Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming 
from. Especially on WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ 
months and up until about 2 months it changed almost weekly. Havent dealt 
with USB yet since i have been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment 
but most of this has been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 
2.4.
Rob

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Jason GreenwoodSent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [expert] 
  Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1I agree 100%. The other thing 
  that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging. I will not go into my trials and 
  experiences here but suffice it to say that as of 9.0 USB detection needed 
  some help. I KNOW this is partially due to hardware vendors not always 
  following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass Storage Protocol) but if we can 
  anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake WILL become the distro of 
  choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much more common, especially on 
  laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must do better.I have 
  gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great on mdk 9.0 
  but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The reader workd 
  out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed but then was 
  dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same way.My 
  .0002c worth.CheersJason GreenwoodJames Sparenberg 
  wrote:
  All,

soapbox
Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=3873forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.
/soapbox

trip
   Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.
/trip

James





  
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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
and b... the old standards.  Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
some kind of awareness in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
PCI nic's.  As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
move to Linux if it where the better laptop OS?

James

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:03, Robert Wideman wrote:
 Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 kernel.  You guys do NOT
 know how to do your research and are requiring things NOW that is almost
 impossible to do overnight.  Most companies have not given their HW specs to
 open source programmers and therefore have to reverse engineer and take
 apart windows items in order to get it to even be possible on Linux.
 Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming from.  Especially on
 WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ months and up until about
 2 months it changed almost weekly.  Havent dealt with USB yet since i have
 been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment but most of this has
 been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 2.4.
 Rob
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Greenwood
   Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
 
 
   I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging.
 I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that
 as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to
 hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass
 Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then
 Mandrake WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming
 much more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux
 can/must do better.
 
   I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great
 on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The
 reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally
 overjoyed but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked
 the same way.
 
   My .0002c worth.
 
   Cheers
 
   Jason Greenwood
 
   James Sparenberg wrote:
 
 All,
 
 soapbox
 Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
 and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
 far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
 menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
 noted here
 
 http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=vi
 ewtopictopic=3873forum=2
 
 )
 
 The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
 should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
 struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
 to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
 graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
 for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
 in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
 able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
 a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
 work in MDK.
 
 To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
 above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
 just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
 create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable.
 Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
 about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
 cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
 where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
 wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
 everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
 on a desktp system.
 /soapbox
 
 trip
Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.
 /trip
 
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
Cory,

   Contribs are rpms that aren't officially in the distro and are
semi-supported by MDK in that they are actually packaged by the
community not by MDK's people.  (Rough explanation... sorry for any
inaccuracy.)  A good place to find info on mirrors and get the
instructions you'll need for adding them to urpmi is 

 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php  (Yep plf to the rescue!)

just click in the box on the left choose your mirror and at the bottom
it will spit out the string you need to enter to make urpmi aware of
it.  Contribs btw is the second one from the top.  

James


On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:03, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
 . wrote:
  Can you elaborate on what a contrib/ source is?  I have the CD 
  sources, an ftp source of the original 9.0 distro, and ftp update 
  source, and the PLF source.  I'm not sure what you mean.
  
  Thanks,
  Cory
  
   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0
  Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:37:24 -0800
  From: Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  . wrote:
Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
dependencies:
Installation failed:
libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
   
Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run rpm -q
--whatprovides fully qualified file name to find the rpm.
   
Thanks,
Cory
  
  It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.
  
 
 
 It's a directory on the Mandrake mirrors full of rpms.  It is for 
 downloaders a source of software that is included in the commercial 
 pack.  Not sure if there is a one-to-one correspondence but it is 
 software in addition to what is available on the 'gpl download edition'. 
   Some non-gpl stuff and some stuff excluded for space considerations. 
 This is stated at the plf site that you need to add the contrib source. 
   I used the same syntax as the plf urpmiefier gave for the plf source 
 but changed the name from plf to contrib, gave a url for the 
 contrib/RPMS directory, and gave 'with synthesis.hdlist2.cz' for the 
 hdlist location.  You will see this file is included in the RPMS 
 directory.  Funny thing, addmedia failed the first time but completed 
 the second try.  I think it has to do with busy mirror or borderline 
 problems negotiating a login.
 
 
 
 

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Jack Coates
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote:
 Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
 of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
 supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
 and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
 and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
 and b... the old standards.  

I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working
properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once
had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA
bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself.
Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking
product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain
what was happening :-)

 Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
 MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
 join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
 some kind of awareness in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
 PCI nic's.  

It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However,
I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded
by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to
get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at
http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work.

 As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
 if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
 we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
 move to Linux if it where the better laptop OS?
 

Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the
things that Apple people say it's better at :-)


My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions
into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.
-- 
Jack Coates
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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:48, Jack Coates wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote:
  Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
  of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
  supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
  and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
  and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
  and b... the old standards.  
 
 I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working
 properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once
 had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA
 bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself.
 Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking
 product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain
 what was happening :-)
 
  Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
  MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
  join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
  some kind of awareness in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
  PCI nic's.  
 
 It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However,
 I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded
 by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to
 get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at
 http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work.
 
  As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
  if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
  we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
  move to Linux if it where the better laptop OS?
  
 
 Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the
 things that Apple people say it's better at :-)

Good point but Linux runs on existing hardware with big numbers (27.8ghz
or some such nonsense) so it wouldn't be as unfamiliar as OSX.

 
 
 My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
 to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
 swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
 and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
 issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions
 into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.

Valid and in affect tied in with this.  I mean heck if we can vote on
apps maybe we can vote on direction as well. *grin*


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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman
 Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.

Ye, no joke.  I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone.

 It is because
 of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
 supported under the 2.2 kernel!

Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier.

 so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
 and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
 and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
 and b... the old standards.

Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at
the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of
them.

 Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
 MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
 join.)

I would totally agree.  There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even
funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD.

 that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
 some kind of awareness in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
 PCI nic's.

I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old.

 As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
 if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
 we'll always be #2 on the desktop.

I agree.  The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to
opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows
drivers to understand the HW.  Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont
know about now.

 How fast do you thing people would
 move to Linux if it where the better laptop OS?

It already is.  I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS.  BUT this
is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my
linux box.  Then again i am too used to windows.  I am in the transition
period though.


Rob



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RE: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php  (Yep plf to the rescue!)

THIS SITE IS WONDERFUL.  I actually found it this morning before it was
posted to the group.  I loved it.  There are only a few sites that dont work
that are listed thought.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman
  My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
  to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
  swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
  and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
  issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few
 revisions
  into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.

As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or
anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3
working.


Rob



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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:36, Robert Wideman wrote:
  Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.
 
 Ye, no joke.  I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone.
 
  It is because
  of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
  supported under the 2.2 kernel!
 
 Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier

Mdk 8.0 came with 2.4.3... i'v also played with 2.4.16-21

 
  so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
  and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
  and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
  and b... the old standards.
 
 Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at
 the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of
 them.

True enough it's about 2 years old.  Nice part is like you said the
standard is mid - lat 90's  pre M$ what me standards attitude.
 
  Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
  MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
  join.)
 
 I would totally agree.  There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even
 funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD.
 
  that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
  some kind of awareness in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
  PCI nic's.
 
 I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old.
 
  As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
  if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
  we'll always be #2 on the desktop.
 
 I agree.  The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to
 opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows
 drivers to understand the HW.  Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont
 know about now.

My point the orinoco and prismII have been opened.  orinoco a while
back.  check out the Linux Wireless Lan project at wlan.org.
 
  How fast do you thing people would
  move to Linux if it where the better laptop OS?
 
 It already is.  I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS.  BUT this
 is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my
 linux box.  Then again i am too used to windows.  I am in the transition
 period though.

True but just like the old joke about women... we have to be 10x better
to be seen as just as good.  BTW how is win2000 never tried it
(seriously) 
 
 
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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Robert Wideman
  BTW how is win2000 never tried it

Usaability, a monkey can use/admin it easily.  Security, its a M$ product,
security?...HAHA.
I used to run it as my desktop (Win2k Server) but then i bought an ATI 7500
AIW and the TV Tuner software would NOT install on a Server b/c of Terminal
Services.  Their explanation is it is not legal to export live audio/video,
BUT it worked fine over VNC, HEHE.

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

2003-02-02 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 11:01:34AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:

   Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
 any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
 installed you do.  
 
 My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?
 
 There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
 one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
 the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
 to discover it is not one but some combination.
 
 That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?

Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and
with me.  Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can
we fix it?  You presume too much.

Tell us what got clobbered.  My 9.0 machines, with all updates
applied, are rock solid.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

2003-02-02 Thread Jack Coates
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:38, Robert Wideman wrote:
   My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
   to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
   swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
   and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
   issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few
  revisions
   into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.
 
 As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or
 anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3
 working.
 

I use ext3, have used it for some time. I've used Reiser too, and NTFS,
and I've specified VxFS countless times.

I've lost enough data to each of these that I will not trust the
journaling to do more than it is intended to do: that is, to guard
against occasional failures.

 
 Rob
 
 
 
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RE: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

2003-02-02 Thread Franki
there was one with apache getting loaded with apache 2 updates.. or at least
trying...

don't know of any other...


rgds

Frank

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On Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 11:01:34AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:

   Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
 any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
 installed you do.

 My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?

 There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
 one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
 the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
 to discover it is not one but some combination.

 That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?

Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and
with me.  Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can
we fix it?  You presume too much.

Tell us what got clobbered.  My 9.0 machines, with all updates
applied, are rock solid.

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