RE: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Franki]

there was one with apache getting loaded with apache 2 updates.. or at least
trying...

don't know of any other...


rgds

Frank

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On Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 11:01:34AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:

> >  Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
> >any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
> >installed you do.
>
> My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?
>
> There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
> one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
> the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
> to discover it is not one but some combination.
>
> That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?

Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and
with me.  Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can
we fix it?  You presume too much.

Tell us what got "clobbered".  My 9.0 machines, with all updates
applied, are rock solid.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Jack Coates]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:38, Robert Wideman wrote:
> >> > My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
> >> > to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
> >> > swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
> >> > and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
> >> > issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few
> >> revisions
> >> > into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.
> 
> As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or
> anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3
> working.
> 

I use ext3, have used it for some time. I've used Reiser too, and NTFS,
and I've specified VxFS countless times.

I've lost enough data to each of these that I will not trust the
journaling to do more than it is intended to do: that is, to guard
against occasional failures.

> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> __
> 
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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Vincent Danen]

On Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 11:01:34AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote:

> >  Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
> >any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
> >installed you do.  
> 
> My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?
> 
> There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
> one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
> the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
> to discover it is not one but some combination.
> 
> That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?

Sure, but everything tested out fine with the secteam, with QA, and
with me.  Without knowing the symtomd (nevermind the packages), how can
we fix it?  You presume too much.

Tell us what got "clobbered".  My 9.0 machines, with all updates
applied, are rock solid.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Robert Wideman]

>>  BTW how is win2000 never tried it

Usaability, a monkey can use/admin it easily.  Security, its a M$ product,
security?...HAHA.
I used to run it as my desktop (Win2k Server) but then i bought an ATI 7500
AIW and the TV Tuner software would NOT install on a Server b/c of Terminal
Services.  Their explanation is it is not legal to export live audio/video,
BUT it worked fine over VNC, HEHE.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[James Sparenberg]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:36, Robert Wideman wrote:
> >> Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.
> 
> Ye, no joke.  I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone.
> 
> >> It is because
> >> of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
> >> supported under the 2.2 kernel!
> 
> Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier

Mdk 8.0 came with 2.4.3... i'v also played with 2.4.16-21

> 
> >> so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
> >> and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
> >> and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
> >> and b... the old standards.
> 
> Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at
> the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of
> them.

True enough it's about 2 years old.  Nice part is like you said the
standard is mid - lat 90's  pre M$ "what me standards" attitude.
> 
> >> Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
> >> MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
> >> join.)
> 
> I would totally agree.  There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even
> funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD.
> 
> >> that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
> >> some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
> >> PCI nic's.
> 
> I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old.
> 
> >> As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
> >> if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
> >> we'll always be #2 on the desktop.
> 
> I agree.  The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to
> opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows
> drivers to understand the HW.  Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont
> know about now.

My point the orinoco and prismII have been opened.  orinoco a while
back.  check out the Linux Wireless Lan project at wlan.org.
> 
> >> How fast do you thing people would
> >> move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS?
> 
> It already is.  I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS.  BUT this
> is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my
> linux box.  Then again i am too used to windows.  I am in the transition
> period though.

True but just like the old joke about women... we have to be 10x better
to be seen as just as good.  BTW how is win2000 never tried it
(seriously) 
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Robert Wideman]

>> > My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
>> > to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
>> > swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
>> > and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
>> > issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few
>> revisions
>> > into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.

As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or
anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3
working.


Rob



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RE: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

[Robert Wideman]

>>  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php  (Yep plf to the rescue!)

THIS SITE IS WONDERFUL.  I actually found it this morning before it was
posted to the group.  I loved it.  There are only a few sites that dont work
that are listed thought.

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Robert Wideman]

>> Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.

Ye, no joke.  I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone.

>> It is because
>> of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
>> supported under the 2.2 kernel!

Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier.

>> so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
>> and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
>> and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
>> and b... the old standards.

Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at
the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of
them.

>> Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
>> MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
>> join.)

I would totally agree.  There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even
funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD.

>> that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
>> some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
>> PCI nic's.

I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old.

>> As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
>> if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
>> we'll always be #2 on the desktop.

I agree.  The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to
opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows
drivers to understand the HW.  Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont
know about now.

>> How fast do you thing people would
>> move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS?

It already is.  I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS.  BUT this
is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my
linux box.  Then again i am too used to windows.  I am in the transition
period though.


Rob



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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[James Sparenberg]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:48, Jack Coates wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
> > of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
> > supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
> > and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
> > and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
> > and b... the old standards.  
> 
> I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working
> properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once
> had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA
> bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself.
> Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking
> product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain
> what was happening :-)
> 
> > Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
> > MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
> > join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
> > some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
> > PCI nic's.  
> 
> It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However,
> I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded
> by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to
> get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at
> http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work.
> 
> > As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
> > if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
> > we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
> > move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS?
> > 
> 
> Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the
> things that Apple people say it's better at :-)

Good point but Linux runs on existing hardware with big numbers (27.8ghz
or some such nonsense) so it wouldn't be as unfamiliar as OSX.

> 
> 
> My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
> to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
> swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
> and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
> issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions
> into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.

Valid and in affect tied in with this.  I mean heck if we can vote on
apps maybe we can vote on direction as well. *grin*


> -- 
> Jack Coates
> Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture...
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Jack Coates]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
> of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
> supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
> and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
> and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
> and b... the old standards.  

I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working
properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once
had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA
bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself.
Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking
product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain
what was happening :-)

> Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
> MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
> join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
> some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
> PCI nic's.  

It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However,
I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded
by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to
get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at
http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work.

> As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
> if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
> we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
> move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS?
> 

Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the
things that Apple people say it's better at :-)


My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs
to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and
swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt
and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux
issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions
into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock.
-- 
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

[James Sparenberg]

Cory,

   Contribs are rpms that aren't officially in the distro and are
semi-supported by MDK in that they are actually packaged by the
community not by MDK's people.  (Rough explanation... sorry for any
inaccuracy.)  A good place to find info on mirrors and get the
instructions you'll need for adding them to urpmi is 

 http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php  (Yep plf to the rescue!)

just click in the box on the left choose your mirror and at the bottom
it will spit out the string you need to enter to make urpmi aware of
it.  Contribs btw is the second one from the top.  

James


On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:03, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> . wrote:
> > Can you elaborate on what a contrib/ source is?  I have the CD 
> > sources, an ftp source of the original 9.0 distro, and ftp update 
> > source, and the PLF source.  I'm not sure what you mean.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Cory
> > 
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0
> > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:37:24 -0800
> > From: Rolf Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > . wrote:
> >  > Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
> >  > of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
> >  > dependencies:
> >  > Installation failed:
> >  > libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
> >  > libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
> >  > liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
> >  >
> >  > Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
> >  > isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
> >  > existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
> >  > provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run "rpm -q
> >  > --whatprovides " to find the rpm.
> >  >
> >  > Thanks,
> >  > Cory
> > 
> > It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.
> > 
> 
> 
> It's a directory on the Mandrake mirrors full of rpms.  It is for 
> downloaders a source of software that is included in the commercial 
> pack.  Not sure if there is a one-to-one correspondence but it is 
> software in addition to what is available on the 'gpl download edition'. 
>   Some non-gpl stuff and some stuff excluded for space considerations. 
> This is stated at the plf site that you need to add the contrib source. 
>   I used the same syntax as the plf urpmiefier gave for the plf source 
> but changed the name from plf to contrib, gave a url for the 
> contrib/RPMS directory, and gave 'with synthesis.hdlist2.cz' for the 
> hdlist location.  You will see this file is included in the RPMS 
> directory.  Funny thing, addmedia failed the first time but completed 
> the second try.  I think it has to do with busy mirror or borderline 
> problems negotiating a login.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[James Sparenberg]

Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside.  It is because
of research that I've used the cards I've used.  All four where
supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and
and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card
and a Netgear MA401.  I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a
and b... the old standards.  Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in
MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to
join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also
some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just
PCI nic's.  As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well.  BUT
if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem
we'll always be #2 on the desktop.  How fast do you thing people would
move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS?

James

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:03, Robert Wideman wrote:
> Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 kernel.  You guys do NOT
> know how to do your research and are requiring things NOW that is almost
> impossible to do overnight.  Most companies have not given their HW specs to
> open source programmers and therefore have to reverse engineer and take
> apart windows items in order to get it to even be possible on Linux.
> Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming from.  Especially on
> WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ months and up until about
> 2 months it changed almost weekly.  Havent dealt with USB yet since i have
> been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment but most of this has
> been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 2.4.
> Rob
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Greenwood
>   Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 PM
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
> 
> 
>   I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging.
> I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that
> as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to
> hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass
> Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then
> Mandrake WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming
> much more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux
> can/must do better.
> 
>   I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great
> on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The
> reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally
> overjoyed but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked
> the same way.
> 
>   My .0002c worth.
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   Jason Greenwood
> 
>   James Sparenberg wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> 
> Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
> and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
> far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
> menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
> noted here
> 
> http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=vi
> ewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2
> 
> )
> 
> The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
> should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
> struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
> to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
> graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
> for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
> in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
> able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
> a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
> work in MDK.
> 
> To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
> above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
> just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
> create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable.
> Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
> about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
> cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
> where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
> wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
> everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
> on a desktp system.
> 
> 
> 
>Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.
> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Robert Wideman]

Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 
kernel.  You guys do NOT know how to do your research and are requiring 
things NOW that is almost impossible to do overnight.  Most companies have 
not given their HW specs to open source programmers and therefore have to 
reverse engineer and take apart windows items in order to get it to even be 
possible on Linux.  Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming 
from.  Especially on WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ 
months and up until about 2 months it changed almost weekly.  Havent dealt 
with USB yet since i have been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment 
but most of this has been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 
2.4.
Rob

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
  Behalf Of Jason GreenwoodSent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [expert] 
  Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1I agree 100%. The other thing 
  that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging. I will not go into my trials and 
  experiences here but suffice it to say that as of 9.0 USB detection needed 
  some help. I KNOW this is partially due to hardware vendors not always 
  following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass Storage Protocol) but if we can 
  anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake WILL become the distro of 
  choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much more common, especially on 
  laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must do better.I have 
  gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great on mdk 9.0 
  but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The reader workd 
  out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed but then was 
  dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same way.My 
  .0002c worth.CheersJason GreenwoodJames Sparenberg 
  wrote:
  All,


Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.



   Fall flat on face getting off soapbox.


James





  
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0]

[Rolf Pedersen]

. wrote:

Can you elaborate on what a contrib/ source is?  I have the CD 
sources, an ftp source of the original 9.0 distro, and ftp update 
source, and the PLF source.  I'm not sure what you mean.

Thanks,
Cory

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 18:37:24 -0800
From: Rolf Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

. wrote:
 > Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
 > of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
 > dependencies:
 > Installation failed:
 > libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
 > libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
 > liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
 >
 > Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
 > isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
 > existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
 > provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run "rpm -q
 > --whatprovides " to find the rpm.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Cory

It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.



It's a directory on the Mandrake mirrors full of rpms.  It is for 
downloaders a source of software that is included in the commercial 
pack.  Not sure if there is a one-to-one correspondence but it is 
software in addition to what is available on the 'gpl download edition'. 
 Some non-gpl stuff and some stuff excluded for space considerations. 
This is stated at the plf site that you need to add the contrib source. 
 I used the same syntax as the plf urpmiefier gave for the plf source 
but changed the name from plf to contrib, gave a url for the 
contrib/RPMS directory, and gave 'with synthesis.hdlist2.cz' for the 
hdlist location.  You will see this file is included in the RPMS 
directory.  Funny thing, addmedia failed the first time but completed 
the second try.  I think it has to do with busy mirror or borderline 
problems negotiating a login.


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RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Robert Wideman]

110% of the WiFi drivers/updates have been put into the 2.5.x kernel, you
can patch the 2.4.x kernel and still work finei have.  But WiFi is a new
technology that is not even finalized yet.  The companies through the HW out
to users without ANY of the standards to be completedeven for Winblows.
BUT you can still patch the 2.4 and still work fine, it just takes for
effort.  I personally havent done the 2.5 yet.
Rob

>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus
>> Atrebates
>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:25 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
>>
>>
>> On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
>> [...]
>> > The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
>> > should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
>> > struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
>> > to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on
>> cardbus ... down
>> > graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
>> > for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
>>
>> I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a
>> struggle).  I
>> use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently
>> MDK 8.2 with
>> a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the
>> linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap
>> driver which lets
>> it also act as an access point (works well).
>>
>> On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18
>> from 8.2 (I
>> rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using
>> the Atmel
>> driver.  It is working fine right now and has for days.  I AM afraid to
>> shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes
>> back up that
>> the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal).
>>
>> Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity.
>>
>> praedor
>>
>> --
>> Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars.
>> - Friedrich Nietzsche.
>>
>>



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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

[Ronald J. Hall]

On Sunday 02 February 2003 09:04 pm, . wrote:
> Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one
> of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on
> dependencies:
> Installation failed:
>  libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
>  libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
>  liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
>
>   Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it
> isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the
> existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's
> provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run "rpm -q
> --whatprovides " to find the rpm.
>
> Thanks,
> Cory

libdv.so.1 is not on my system.

The other 2 are, and are covered by:

libdv2-0.98-1mdk

As far as I can tell... Hope this helps! :-)

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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

[Rolf Pedersen]

. wrote:

Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one 
of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on 
dependencies:
Installation failed:
libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf

Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it 
isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the 
existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's 
provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run "rpm -q 
--whatprovides " to find the rpm.

Thanks,
Cory

It appears you need to add a 9.0 contrib/ source.



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Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Praedor Tempus Atrebates]

On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
[...]
> The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
> should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
> struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
> to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
> graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
> for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue

I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a struggle).  I 
use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently MDK 8.2 with  
a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the 
linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap driver which lets 
it also act as an access point (works well).  

On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18 from 8.2 (I 
rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using the Atmel 
driver.  It is working fine right now and has for days.  I AM afraid to 
shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes back up that 
the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal).  

Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity.

praedor

-- 
Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars.
- Friedrich Nietzsche.


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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

[Praedor Tempus Atrebates]

On Sunday 02 February 2003 01:47 pm, David E. Fox wrote:
> > On this same note... When I was trying to compile the KDE 3.1 package=20
> > "kdelibs", I got some weird compile errors that appeared to be simple
> > synta= x=20
[...]

I haven't been able to successfully build KDE sources since somewhere around 
kde 2.2.x days.  No matter what I do, no matter that I install ALL possible 
development tools and libs.  KDE refuses to build.  I ultimately gave up 
trying to build it from source, unfortunately.  The KDE package is by far the 
most problematic source to build of anything I have ever tried.

praedor
-- 
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- Friedrich Nietzsche.


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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

[.]

Thanks for the help.  I was not aware of the PLF website.  I added one 
of the mirrors to urpmi.  When I went to install it, it failed on 
dependencies:
Installation failed:
libdv2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
libdv.so.2 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf
liblzo.so.1 is needed by mplayer-0.90-0.rc3.2plf

	Normally, I'd expect urpmi to take care of the dependecies, but it 
isn't taking care of these. I was wondering if you could confirm the 
existence of these three files on your system, and tell me which rpm's 
provides them.  Once you've located them, you can run "rpm -q 
--whatprovides " to find the rpm.

Thanks,
Cory


Ronald J. Hall wrote:
On Sunday 02 February 2003 12:08 am, . wrote:


	Has anyone had success with mplayer and mencoder on 9.0?  I got a basic
mplayer and mencoder compiled, but the functionality is extremely
limited ... especially for mencoder.  For example, I can not seem to do
anything to make the configure script find libmp3lame, which is crucial
for doing anything with mp3's in mencoder.

	I'd appreciate help from anyone with success.

Thanks,
Cory



Hey Cory. I've not tried to use Mencoder with 9.0 yet (worked fine here under 
8.2) but looking at the files after I configured it, it looks like it found 
libmp3lame:

MENCODER = yes
ENCORE_LIB =  -lxvidcore -lmp3lame -lvorbis -logg

I just installed that as a RPM, IIRC...and the developer RPM from the PLF web 
site...

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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

[Mark Belanger]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:36, James Sparenberg wrote:
> No I was sitting when I typed this so I sat corrected

Oh, OK.  I crouch corrected.

-Mark

> 
> James
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 16:04, Mark Belanger wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.
> > 
> > Actually, you "stand" corrected.
> > 
> > Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)
> > 
> > -Mark
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
> > > > Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the "Columbia" we
> > > > should be remembering..
> > > > 
> > > > Challanger happened 17 years ago.
> > > > 
> > > > rgds
> > > > 
> > > > Frank
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
> > > > To: Expert List
> > > > Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
> > > > moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a "small
> > > > problem" can bring.
> > > > 
> > > > I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
> > > > many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
> > > > Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
> > > > God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > James Sparenberg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __
> > > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

[James Sparenberg]

No I was sitting when I typed this so I sat corrected

James


On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 16:04, Mark Belanger wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.
> 
> Actually, you "stand" corrected.
> 
> Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)
> 
> -Mark
> 
> > 
> > On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
> > > Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the "Columbia" we
> > > should be remembering..
> > > 
> > > Challanger happened 17 years ago.
> > > 
> > > rgds
> > > 
> > > Frank
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
> > > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
> > > To: Expert List
> > > Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
> > > moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a "small
> > > problem" can bring.
> > > 
> > > I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
> > > many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
> > > Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
> > > God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > James Sparenberg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

[J. Grant]

Hi,


The Require is for AN myspell-dictionary not specifically en_CA.
That 1 happens to be the 1 installed by default because it is the 1st
listed en dictionary.

Had you installed a second myspell-dictionary you would have received no
error when you ran rpm -e myspell-en_GB


OK, I just tested.  So, the correct myspell should be selected for 
install, this seems simple to me, select from the locale of the 
installer.  What do you  think Gwenole?

Regards

JG


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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

[Mark Belanger]

On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote:
> I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.

Actually, you "stand" corrected.

Maybe you shouldn't type at 6pm either :)

-Mark

> 
> On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
> > Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the "Columbia" we
> > should be remembering..
> > 
> > Challanger happened 17 years ago.
> > 
> > rgds
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
> > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
> > To: Expert List
> > Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
> > 
> > 
> > In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
> > moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a "small
> > problem" can bring.
> > 
> > I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
> > many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
> > Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
> > God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
> > 
> > 
> > James Sparenberg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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RE: [expert] A moment of Silence. Columbia, NOT Challanger.

[James Sparenberg]

I sit corrected and shouldn't type at 6am...I apologize.

On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 19:23, Franki wrote:
> Ok, I will go along with that, except to say that its the "Columbia" we
> should be remembering..
> 
> Challanger happened 17 years ago.
> 
> rgds
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
> Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 6:55 AM
> To: Expert List
> Subject: [expert] A moment of Silence.
> 
> 
> In honor of the men and women of the space shuttle challenger.  Please a
> moment of silence.  And an awareness of the tragic effect a "small
> problem" can bring.
> 
> I respectfully submit that to properly honor these men and women from
> many Nations, no replies or additional comments be made on this list.
> Please, hold your replies and your prayers in your hearts so that your
> God may see them and be with the families of those we have lost.
> 
> 
> James Sparenberg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[James Sparenberg]

On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 16:01, Ron Stodden wrote:
> James Sparenberg wrote:
> >   Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
> > any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
> > installed you do.  
> 
> My goodness, how would anyone possibly know?

I usually read error messages and logs but then that's just me.  and
over the course of an update series I hit about 90% of them( the updates
that is.)  Actually IMHO MDK's job is to make sure that the software
works the way the developer made it to work... which often is not the
way I hope it will.  But the only way as I see it for MDK to know of a
problem is for us to complain about it effectively.  As solid as 9.0 is
on my desktops, and some of my laptops I control on my personal laptop
it bytes. My question about what clobbered you was really intended to
find out if I could offer some help.  

James
  
> 
> There are presently 180 9.0-update RPMs.I would have installed about
> one third, so you must see that I would not be prepared to conduct
> the enormous amount of research to find out which, and then possibly
> to discover it is not one but some combination.
> 
> That's inescapably Mandrake's job. N'est ce pas?
> 
> -- 
> Ron. [Melbourne, Australia]
>20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only,
>from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/
>No Penguin Liberation Front (plf) access - no plf rsync server.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[Jason Greenwood]

I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging.
I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that
as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to
hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass
Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake
WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much
more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must
do better.

I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great
on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The
reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed
but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same
way.

My .0002c worth.

Cheers

Jason Greenwood

James Sparenberg wrote:

  All,


Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.



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James





  
  

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[expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1

[James Sparenberg]

All,


Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world.  More
and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop.  MDK is
far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified
menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew.  (One exception
noted here

http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2

)

The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and
should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been
struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks.  Still haven't gottne it
to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down
graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working...
for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup.  I've googled till I'm blue
in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being
able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH.  OK I'm
a stubborn cuss.  If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to
work in MDK.  

To the men and women of MDK.  If you want to stand head ans shoulders
above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do
just this.  It shouldn't be this hard.  If I can click on an Icon and
create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. 
Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless?  How
about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for
cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place
where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for
wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not
everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards
on a desktp system.



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James






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Re: [expert] Kodak Digital Camera and MDK9

[Toshiro]

Hola Francisco!

I did what you suggested but it didn't work. When I press the button in the 
camera dock, it appears in the desktop GTKam icon, but I don't see any device
in /dev/sd*.

Saludos,
Toshiro.

El Sáb 25 Ene 2003 12:14, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza escribió:
> >It uses CompactFlash.
>
> OK, then you need to conect it as a scsi device, those are the step you
> should follow (I hope it will work for you):
>
> A) be sure the next modules are loaded (as root with lsmod):
> usb
> usb-core
> usb-storage
> ide-scsi
>
> If some of then are not loaded, you shoud probe them (modprobe usb-storage,
> for example); if not error message the next time you must install with
> insmod usb-storage (for the same example).
>
> B) It is a good idea to create a dir to mount the camera in: mkdir -777
> /mnt/camera (for example; you can select other montage point if you like).
>
> C) conect the camera to the computer using the usb cable; put the camera in
> the position of download images (usually the same position to see in the
> visor the images, if you have one).
>
> D) The first time you should test as root the montage:
>
> mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera
>
> If everything has gone well, as root you can open konqueror, nautilus or
> other file-explorer and going to /mnt/camera see the images stored in the
> CompactFlash. You can now copy the images or avi files to any directory in
> you HD.
>
> ARemember to umount (umount /mnt/camera)
>
>
> E) If D has run for you, you can make a change in the /etc/fstab file to
> allow any user mount and umount /mnt/camera. For this add the next line inf
> /etc/fstab:
>
> /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto user,noauto,nosuid 0 0
>
> Remember that a blank line should be at the end of the fstab file (add it
> if is needed).
>
> Now, still as root: mount -a
>
> And any user will be able to mount and umount the camera when conected. As
> I use KDE, it is easy create a new icon (create---new hd-- and select as
> montage point /dev/sda1), so you can mount and umount easily the cameras as
> a removable media.
>
>
> Good luck and don't forget to tell me if its run :-)

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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

[David E. Fox]

> 
> Hi list,
> 
> Has anyone successfully managed to compile any of the new KDE packages. 
> (the 3.1 final release) there aren't any rpm's yet for Mandrake so I 

I haven't. I got as far as arts from the src on ftp.kde.org last
night. kdelibs got as far as the kdoctools component, after a large
number (way more than normal in my experience) of segfaults in the ld
step. It happened quite a number of times in kio.

These ld sig11 segfaults happen from time to time on my system (Asus
motherboard, AMD Athlon 1ghz processor, 256M RAM) but I can redo the
'make' and keep going. This morning I woke up to another segfault and
had to do several 'make's to get through kdelibs/kio, only to find
that kdoctools has yet again failed to compile, emitting a page's
worth of _dl_* link errors. This is something I've never been able to
get around for over a year at least.

As of this morning (Feb 2) I still don't see RPMs for 3.1 on
ftp.kde.org, but I upgraded the packages via urpmi on cooker, and 3.1
seems to be there, which is a good thing.

However, after the upgrade, I'm stuck on the KDE login/Mandrake splash
screen, and can't login to KDE (or any other GUI) and have to log in
via console. Perhaps I missed something?

> Mark




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Re: [expert] Compiling new KDE tarballs

[David E. Fox]

> On this same note... When I was trying to compile the KDE 3.1 package=20
> "kdelibs", I got some weird compile errors that appeared to be simple synta=
> x=20

I didn't get syntax errors but this system fails to compile and has
done so as far back as I can remember somewhere in kio/kdoctools or
some such within kdelibs. I have always gotten unresolved _dl_*
libraries in /lib/libc.so.6 from the linker at this point and
basically gave up on compiling kde. I thought I'd give 3.1 sources
another try but the same results occur with the 9.0 development stuff
as has happened with different gcc/binutils and different
distributions, going back, if I recall correctly, to Mandrake 7.2 or
8.0.

I've since upgraded to gcc-3.2 as part of upgrading to kde 3.1 on
cooker, but that upgrade broke some other fundamental things and it
will be sometime before I can get back to what I was doing. :(




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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

[Charles A Edwards]

On Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:36:12 +
"J. Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> # rpm -e myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk
> error: removing these packages would break dependencies:
>  myspell-dictionary is needed by OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-9mdk
> 
> The removal dep is there.
> 
> To be honest there should be no dep, but the dictionary it *should* be
> selected for install automatically as this is user friendly.  The same
> for rpm -e myspell* etc, if someone is trying to remove it it should
> be allowed.


The Require is for AN myspell-dictionary not specifically en_CA.
That 1 happens to be the 1 installed by default because it is the 1st
listed en dictionary.

Had you installed a second myspell-dictionary you would have received no
error when you ran rpm -e myspell-en_GB


Charles

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Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Tom]

Ron is correct about the KDE failure. However, the updates may or may not be 
relevent. I had the very same thing happen. Only I was editting the menus via 
"menudrake" and did something with showing only KDE items. I ended up 
reloading 9.0 and have been very careful with the menus since then.

On Saturday 01 February 2003 06:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> Ron,
>
>   Specifically what updates clobbered you?  I've not had this problem on
> any of my 9.0 boxes but then I might not have the same software
> installed you do.
>
> James
>
> On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 15:13, Ron Stodden wrote:
> > Dave Laird wrote:
> > >>O my GOD! Mandrake 9.1beta3 installed without one single hitch, error,
> > >>or problem of any sort. This is AWESOME! When it's finished it's going
> > >> to be the best Mandrake version ever.
> > >
> > > For the benefit of those of us sitting this dance out, could you please
> > > tell us more about what makes it so awesome? What has really changed
> > > from 9.0?
> >
> > Has the problem with attempts to apply a selection of 9.0-updates
> > (supposed to
> > be well tested compulsory security fixes) totally clobbering 9.0 as
> > something useful
> > been guaranteed fixed?
> >
> > This has happened consistently on 3 of my 9.0 partitions so far, and the
> > only
> > remedy is to go to another distribution until Mandrake has it corrected.
> >   So much
> > for the wisdom of development and QA layoffs at MandrakeSoft.
> >
> > The first symptom is loss of most of the KDE task bar icons and
> > abbreviation
> > of the KDE menu.  Mozilla printing and other things , like no longer any
> > service
> > command, get clobbered too.
> >
> > Stay release until this is absolutely corrected.
> >
> > --
> > Ron. [Melbourne, Australia]
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> >
> >
> > 
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> >
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Re: [expert] Re: Dictionarys for OO are not in the mdk distribution

[J. Grant]

Hi Gwenole,

Gwenole Beauchesne wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, J. Grant wrote:


Could deps be created so that the dictionarys are installed and then 
configured automatically? This would save time for all users.

Deps already exist. Global configuration is already performed. i.e. 
updates to dictionary.lst.

Deps are broken for en_GB then, myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk is
not installed my my 2 mdk9 systems, I installed with en_GB as my locale.

So, I installed manually, but as there were still problems I tried to 
remove.

# rpm -e myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk
error: removing these packages would break dependencies:
myspell-dictionary is needed by OpenOffice.org-1.0.1-9mdk

The removal dep is there.

To be honest there should be no dep, but the dictionary it *should* be
selected for install automatically as this is user friendly.  The same
for rpm -e myspell* etc, if someone is trying to remove it it should be
allowed.

Also, myspell-en_CA-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk was installed on my system by
default! I did not select any en_CA locales during install or after.  I
just removed all OO and myspell-*, trying to install OO again required
the en_CA myspell dictionarys.  So another dep is broken.
myspell-en_JA-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk  was also required,  as I said above
I belive this should be selected for install, but not forced (i selected
JA as second locale during install).


OpenOffice.org-l10n-ca-1.0.1-9mdk  was not reqired to reinstall, this is 
atleast correct. Again myspell-en_CA-1.0.1-0.20020315.4mdk was installed 
though.

myspell-en_GB-1.0.1-0.20020903.4mdk was not selected for install by
rpmdrake, I installed it manually after.

I saw the rpm script that updated /usr/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst,
but if the rpm is not installed it won't matter that it is updated 
correctly.

Note that MySpell dictionaries are in /usr/share/dict/ooo/ so that 
our Mozilla can also see them.

Still the dictionary needs to be switched on internally in OO, I do not
know a work around for that one yet.


What do you mean by "switched on internally in OOo"? The user will enable 
dictionaries *he* wants and those that are actually available. I can't 
force a default for a user especially for a dictionary it wouldn't want 
and also because the dictionary wouldn't exist.

When OO is loaded it is neccessary to go to OO "Tools-> Options -> Language
Settings -Writing Aids", select "OO MySpell SpellChecker",  click edit
and enable for "English(UK)".

Also in OO the "Tools-> Options -> Language Settings -> Languages" I have
to set Locale to English(UK) and Default language to English(UK).

The later is required to be set for each new document, for some reason
it is not saved; and the default is no western locale!

These are minor configuration problems compared to the other issues, but 
would
be very nice to have initalised with a sensible default, as MS-Word and
etc has.


If I install en_GB and I open en_GB OO documents, it is fair to assume I
would like to check them with an en_GB dictionary.  I think that is obvious.


Hopefully you can answer some of these queries and improve the next 
version of mdk.

Regards

JG


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Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!

[Azrael]

Hmm.. I had to wrestle with beta3 :(

during install it couldn't modprobe hptraid
after install kdm and gdm wouldn't run, I think X was pooped.

so I did a clean install of 9.1beta1 - then upgraded with 9.1beta3
And all seems nice now.
My sound card still installs as audigy.. (rather than live 5.1 plat) so
I need to manually change that to use emu10k whatever.. but that's no
big deal for me.


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Re: [expert] mplayer and mencoder on 9.0

[Luca Olivetti]

. wrote:

Has anyone had success with mplayer and mencoder on 9.0?  I got a 
basic mplayer and mencoder compiled, but the functionality is extremely 
limited ... especially for mencoder.  For example, I can not seem to do 
anything to make the configure script find libmp3lame, which is crucial 
for doing anything with mp3's in mencoder.

I'd appreciate help from anyone with success.

Make yourself a favour and go to 

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Re: [expert] samba, browsing windows

[Dianne Marie Montesa]

you can try lineighborhood which can be downloaded at:

http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/

or you can use Gnomba:

http://online.linuxberg.com/internet/preview/31546.html


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> I've installed samba 2.2.7a and can make the windows
> hosts at my local network access to a folder in my
> Linux machine.
> I want to access all windows hosts at my local
> network, but I don't know what command to use.
> Just for information, all the windows hosts got IP
> address from my Linux machine using dhcp.
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> Ivo.
> 
> 
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