Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
This time James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > As urpmi exists I wouldn't think it would work. I've seen the > distro upgrade done on debian.. If you aren't too far out of date it > works eventually. But if you are way out of date it has a real > chance of creating an unusable box. One other diff I believe exists (as > it's been explained to me) apt-get grabs installs... grabs... using > less ram and less disk. URPMI grabs and grabs then installs. For a > really large installation size this could be a problem. I've done the release-to-cooker thing a few times...it works, for the most part...as long as you keep cooker *and* contrib in your sources. Q&A moves packages between main and contrib some times, and if you have a package that used to be on main installed, and it's moved to contrib without you having it in your sources, you'll bang your head into a wall. But if you keep cooker and contrib (at least...I also keep plf) in your sources, I don't see the problem...at least I've never had a problem :) One thing you *will* have to deal with by hand (and it's where debian is ahead where it comes to dist-upgrade) is those packages that change their config files format...if you have a package that uses a new config type, the new config sample will be an .rpmnew file and the program will refuse to work until you fix the config you have. Happened to me with either openssh or proftpd once :) Outside of that...never had a complaint, as long as you keep a generous amount of space in your /var (10gig partition in my desktop :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
On Tue 2003-03-11 at 22:25:41 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > I gave up on Debian in disgust when I used apt-get to fix a security > problem in gcc and it helpfully upgraded the kernel and glibc to a > version that made my build environment useless. urpmi occassionally > makes decisions I don't like to, but at least it tells you what it > has in mind and lets you cancel. Huh? Although I don't use Debian as main distro, I have several machines (including 2 servers) with Debian around, and I had *never* apt-get install a package it did not ask me about. Execept of course, if I told it explictly to not ask. Benjamin, wondering what you did to apt-get to behave this way :) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 08:45 pm, David E. Fox wrote: > > du -xsh /*Summary of the size of all dirs that are on "/"-partition > > serach the biggest dir and then go to that dir and do the same.=20 > > Hey - that's a very useful command. ;) > > It lists directories that could be located on their own file systems, > though. Adding -x according to the man page for du suggests that > it not count space mounted on other filesystems, But on my system > /var is listed in that output, and /var is mounted on another > partition. U, it could be that at one time /var was part of / and later it was mounted separately. A typical example is when a power failure bonks the partition where /var would be mounted, so the filesysatem check drops you into a shell (with logs running and a /var being created on / to accept the output) Now when the partition is mounted on /var, then the /var sitting in / is not destroyed, just suppressed. You could check the output you mention against du -xsh /var/* Civileme Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:58, David E. Fox wrote: > > Q: what's the difference between doing it with a cooker directory and a > > release directory? > > A: Someone at MandrakeSoft changed the label from cooker to release. > > Hint: they didn't tell urpmi about that. > > Hmm. An interesting approach, but it's dependent on timing. If one > would updagte to cooker ASAP after ann announcement of rc2 or what > have you, then essentially it's the same thing; but it would seem that > cooker is always a moving target, whereas a 'reference' rc2 source > would be a static snapshot of rc2. > > > > Upgrading the whole distribution with urpmi isn't like apt-get > > dist-upgrade yet -- I think you'd have to use force quite a few times, > > I figure that might be the case. Many people (especially on svlug.org, > the Silicon Valley Linux User Group site) seem to be very pro-debian, > and tout apt-get. (You wouldn't be talking about Rick Moen here would you *grin* ) > I for noe have been interested in Debian for that > very reason, but haven't taken the Plunge to that distribution. Debian > is of course a different philosophy than Mandrake, and is probably a > more ''centralized'' distro. That is fine and dandy if you're > upgrading from Mandrake sites so it's not really an issue. But, > dependencies, incompatibilities are. Also, how would you know about > packages you should install which weren't already installed? > > I'm speaking mostly from conjecture, to be sure, since I've never seen > a real (i.e., Debian) apt-get session in action. The attempts I've > tried with a Mandrake version of the tool have been mostly not very > productive. (not in getting the tool per se, but in using it > effectively) > > So, urpmi is the next best thing. My efforts with that have been > mostly successful thus far -- especially with 9.1 - as soon as it > downed on me how to really use it effectively. > > > it'd go fairly smoothly if you did glibc and gcc first, then tried to do > > the rest of the distribution though. > > Year, and then try to avoid conflicts and dependency issues. The problems I can see are. 1. Space... pulling down roughly the equivalent of your install into /var might be a problem. 2. Ram... It would seem that it would have to be holding a lot of info in Ram as to what to do and in what order. As urpmi exists I wouldn't think it would work. I've seen the distro upgrade done on debian.. If you aren't too far out of date it works eventually. But if you are way out of date it has a real chance of creating an unusable box. One other diff I believe exists (as it's been explained to me) apt-get grabs installs... grabs... using less ram and less disk. URPMI grabs and grabs then installs. For a really large installation size this could be a problem. James > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:58, David E. Fox wrote: > > Q: what's the difference between doing it with a cooker directory and a > > release directory? > > A: Someone at MandrakeSoft changed the label from cooker to release. > > Hint: they didn't tell urpmi about that. > > Hmm. An interesting approach, but it's dependent on timing. If one > would updagte to cooker ASAP after ann announcement of rc2 or what > have you, then essentially it's the same thing; but it would seem that > cooker is always a moving target, whereas a 'reference' rc2 source > would be a static snapshot of rc2. > there's two points there: one is that urpmi doesn't know that the source you gave it is a distro, two is that if you did want to go from cooker to a release or from a release to cooker, the time to do it is right after release. ... > I'm speaking mostly from conjecture, to be sure, since I've never seen > a real (i.e., Debian) apt-get session in action. The attempts I've > tried with a Mandrake version of the tool have been mostly not very > productive. (not in getting the tool per se, but in using it > effectively) I messed with Debian for a while in VMware because I was building LEAF packages which required Debian Slink as a build environment (target media for LEAF is a floppy disk, and some very clever work arounds allowing modern kernels hadn't been done yet). I gave up on Debian in disgust when I used apt-get to fix a security problem in gcc and it helpfully upgraded the kernel and glibc to a version that made my build environment useless. urpmi occassionally makes decisions I don't like to, but at least it tells you what it has in mind and lets you cancel. ... > > it'd go fairly smoothly if you did glibc and gcc first, then tried to do > > the rest of the distribution though. > > Year, and then try to avoid conflicts and dependency issues. > I'm not in a big hurry, looks to me like a fine way to toast package management. ... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
> Q: what's the difference between doing it with a cooker directory and a > release directory? > A: Someone at MandrakeSoft changed the label from cooker to release. > Hint: they didn't tell urpmi about that. Hmm. An interesting approach, but it's dependent on timing. If one would updagte to cooker ASAP after ann announcement of rc2 or what have you, then essentially it's the same thing; but it would seem that cooker is always a moving target, whereas a 'reference' rc2 source would be a static snapshot of rc2. > Upgrading the whole distribution with urpmi isn't like apt-get > dist-upgrade yet -- I think you'd have to use force quite a few times, I figure that might be the case. Many people (especially on svlug.org, the Silicon Valley Linux User Group site) seem to be very pro-debian, and tout apt-get. I for noe have been interested in Debian for that very reason, but haven't taken the Plunge to that distribution. Debian is of course a different philosophy than Mandrake, and is probably a more ''centralized'' distro. That is fine and dandy if you're upgrading from Mandrake sites so it's not really an issue. But, dependencies, incompatibilities are. Also, how would you know about packages you should install which weren't already installed? I'm speaking mostly from conjecture, to be sure, since I've never seen a real (i.e., Debian) apt-get session in action. The attempts I've tried with a Mandrake version of the tool have been mostly not very productive. (not in getting the tool per se, but in using it effectively) So, urpmi is the next best thing. My efforts with that have been mostly successful thus far -- especially with 9.1 - as soon as it downed on me how to really use it effectively. > it'd go fairly smoothly if you did glibc and gcc first, then tried to do > the rest of the distribution though. Year, and then try to avoid conflicts and dependency issues. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
> du -xsh /*Summary of the size of all dirs that are on "/"-partition > serach the biggest dir and then go to that dir and do the same.=20 Hey - that's a very useful command. ;) It lists directories that could be located on their own file systems, though. Adding -x according to the man page for du suggests that it not count space mounted on other filesystems, But on my system /var is listed in that output, and /var is mounted on another partition. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 21:22, David E. Fox wrote: > > Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a > > machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade > > Should be. I've wondered the same thing, although not in the > context of drakautoinst. > > Debian (for instance) allows you to do a dist-upgrade (aka apt-get > update && apt-get dist-upgrade). It seemes that one could do the > equivalernt -- at least with respect to Cooker, by urpmi > --auto-select. > > But that's fine if you want to mirror what is in cooker, but what if > you want to migrate to 9.1rc2, or another version? Would it be as > simple as finding a source that was a "reference" standard for the > particular release candidate, adding it to your urpmi source list, and > then doing an update followed by a urpmi --auto-select? > Q: what's the difference between doing it with a cooker directory and a release directory? A: Someone at MandrakeSoft changed the label from cooker to release. Hint: they didn't tell urpmi about that. Upgrading the whole distribution with urpmi isn't like apt-get dist-upgrade yet -- I think you'd have to use force quite a few times, and you'd have to think about which parts to do first. It seems to me it'd go fairly smoothly if you did glibc and gcc first, then tried to do the rest of the distribution though. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert] Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
> Is it possible to use drakautoinst to automate an effectively upgrade a > machine from one release to another? Rather than try to use the upgrade Should be. I've wondered the same thing, although not in the context of drakautoinst. Debian (for instance) allows you to do a dist-upgrade (aka apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade). It seemes that one could do the equivalernt -- at least with respect to Cooker, by urpmi --auto-select. But that's fine if you want to mirror what is in cooker, but what if you want to migrate to 9.1rc2, or another version? Would it be as simple as finding a source that was a "reference" standard for the particular release candidate, adding it to your urpmi source list, and then doing an update followed by a urpmi --auto-select? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Apache - ScriptAlias Invalid command
I installed Linux Mandrake 8.0 from a cd about a year ago. Recently, I
tried to get the Apache web server going. It woks, except that it won't
run cgi scripts. I set the exact same configuration that currently
works for linux Mandrake 7.0, running on the exact same machine, in a
different partition.
Using LinuxConf, I set the ScriptAlias line to: "/cgi-bin
/home/httpd/cgi-bin"
Restarting the httpd gives the following error: and the httpd never
starts.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uschold]# /etc/rc5.d/S85httpd start
Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 4 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:
Invalid command 'ScriptAlias', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a
module not in
cluded in the server configuration
Blanking the ScriptAlias line removes the error, and Apache serves web
pages OK, but won't run cgi scripts.
I searched www.rpmfind.com for ScriptAlias. It found nothing.
What module provides the ScriptAlias command?
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Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 05:05 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:50, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > > Not having ever used xpp, can anyone compare/contrast it's features and > > capabilities vs. the KDE print system? I'm a huge advocate of the KDE > > system since it wraps a very easy to use and polished interface around a > > lot of neat features (print to ps, pdf, email, fax etc) as well as > > providing all of the capabilities of the printer right in front of me. > > KDE's setup is nice, and if you're a KDE fan then go forth and be happy. > The problem with KDE is that everything in it relies on the rest of it > being around, so if you want to use kprinter you've got to wait while it > loads DCOP and a ton of other stuff. > > From a standing start on my system, running XFce and clicking the Cancel > button as soon as I can: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > ... > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 850MHz > ... > bogomips: 1684.27 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ free -m > total used free sharedbuffers > cached > Mem: 375297 77 0 22 > 128 > -/+ buffers/cache:146229 > Swap: 753 0753 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ time kprinter > ... > 1.14user 0.16system 0:29.09elapsed 4%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata > 0maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (7647major+4573minor)pagefaults 0swaps > [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ time xpp > 0.04user 0.02system 0:02.72elapsed 2%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata > 0maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (670major+232minor)pagefaults 0swaps > I have a PIII 750Mhz (Mobile) and it took about the same time for kprinter as you had for xpp (of course I have to hit cancel which adds mousing time to the mix). I actually find kprinter to be very useful, and the ability to add filters was very cool. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LT Win Modem on Notebook Computer
Hi, Todd Thank you for your explanation for the modem. I tried to do it, but I could not make it. MDK9.0 does not recognize the modem after installing ltmodem-kv_2.4.19_16mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm. When I tried to get on web using kppp, kppp was trying to initialize the modem, but it won't proceed furtherMy LT Win modem is probably very special. I am very annoyed with the modem... Regards, Kishi Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:02:41PM -0500 : >> Dear all, >> >> I am using a notebook computer and I installed Mandrake 9.0. The >> problems I am having is that my notebook cannnot get on internet. My >> notebook has a LT Win Modem and I have installed a driver >> (ltmodem-kv_2.4.19_16mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm) for the linux, but my >> notebook cannnot get on internet. Could you teach me how I can get >> on internet using the modem? My modem number is 1456VQL19R1. Thank you >> for your help. > >That rpm is a good rpm and works well. I have tested it on multiple >machines with various types of Lucent modems. The rpm adds some lines >to /etc/modules.conf that will automatically make the /dev/modem link >that points to /dev/LT/0 (if I remmeber correctly) when you try to >access it. > >So start up kppp, go into configuration, press the AutoDetect button. >It will try to read from /dev/modem, which will force devfs to do a >'modprobe /dev/modem' which will automatically load the lt_modem module >(and the lt_serial module), which will then register with devfs which >will then create /dev/modem. Now kppp will be able to talk to your >modem. > >Blue skies... Todd >- -- > MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com >Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. >All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML > Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQE+bjnllp7v05cW2woRAgrtAJ4um9IXwpKIyawpZmMXE9gMkM0yQgCfXj/a >6jmOjd/aXASqfjqOsfIcSgA= >=PEo1 >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > > __ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 09:59:12PM + : > > > I tried adjusting them on one printer layout, but KEdit brings up the kde > print interface, which appears to ignore what has been set via xpp. Is this > your experience? Yes. But for others, it was the other way (I'm presuming they did something different than me...I'm doing all this from memory). Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Security is like an onion. It's made | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | made up of several layers and makes | | http://www.mandrakelinux.com | you cry. --Howard Chu| Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bmkzlp7v05cW2woRAg76AJ91NG7lAs39ZvWHOrGgurc8y3vx1wCfTuSm MKcySWHg94/F3qZTyiTv/38= =WkNB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim C wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:55:37PM -0800 : > Liquid 0.9.5 on KDE 3.0.x bombs on the configure. Can't find qt3 > despite the fact that it is installed. At the time that Liquid was written, Mandrake was using the qt libs which were named libqt and were referenced during linking as -lqt. Now Mandrake uses the multithreaded qt libs which are named libqt-mt which means that the link requires -lqt-mt. Find those in your Makefile and fix it and it should all be ok. Blue skies... Todd - -- ...and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my binaries, and you will know my name is root, when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bmkAlp7v05cW2woRAueQAJ9kBgRrUb8N5oHcX1OXcCAKdChOVACdH8lO +ec4HWC2ew3YmAswFQ5/7Oo= =CrMw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 G'afternoon, g... On Tuesday 11 March 2003 02:24 pm, g wrote: > did you change fstab and lilo.conf? Yup. I looked in dmesg, and everything matches. I think the problem is with the MB BIOS, since the secondary drive is a 120 G EIDE on an 80 pin cable. Last night I tried the same experiment here, using two drives and a more-recent Motherboard and BIOS and saw no such problems, no matter where I put the drives. I think I'll go back out that way next week and flash the BIOS with the latest and see what happens. Thanks, though... Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 03/05/2003 Usenet News server: news.kharma.net Musicians Calendar and Database access: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html An automatic & random thought For the Minute: Women, when they have made a sheep of a man, always tell him that he is a lion with a will of iron. -- Honor'e de Balzac -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bmf2aE1ENZP1A28RAkOQAKC+W4KmvucgCkeo/5XN+HWqFL56iACggM9D 1q/cs5ZbtbpSJcHKaDc57o0= =+Kvf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
Anne Wilson wrote: Yes. I have made no change to the physical layout. The drives are where they have always been. I was booting between windows and Mdk 8.2 before I installed 9.0. there is a diff with 8.2 and 9.0. what i do not know. something to do with how booting is handled. if you do try move, be sure to have a boot disk and change fstab before you shut down and move drives. It may come to that. But I'm still convinced it is something that I did that accidentally upset it. doing so would insure that your ata100 controller did not die on you. it may well be something you did, but only you know what that was. ;) Going back to the start. When I installed 9.0 I could boot to 9.0 but not 8.2 i believe that it has something to do with diff kernels. i put rh 8.0 on a box that had md 8.1 on it and let rh 8.0 write a new lilo. that is where i made a big error. rh 8.0 trashed md 8.1 beyond any recovery. pair, renaming them, and all was well. So I breathed a sigh of relief, and booted windows for a quick but overdue job. It didn't boot, and hasn't done since. all of this is with drives on ata100 controller? I could, of course, hang on until I get 9.1. I am thinking of making that a clean install of windows and 9.1 on a new large hdd, then perhaps wiping the better of these two disks and reinstalling 9.0 on that. Still, though, I hate not knowing what has caused this. even with a new large drive, i would put oos on it's own drive and put it at hda. to prove out some of potential causes, if it where my system, i would move drives to hda and hdb, just to set what will happen. it may work, it may crap out. but at this point, what harm would it do and what would you loose but time it takes. it would give deeper insight to what might be happening. peace out. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
Dave Laird wrote: decided in a rash moment of heat, to put one drive as primary/master and one drive as secondary/master. The second drive disappeared. did you change fstab and lilo.conf? peace out. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good afternoon, Anne... I've been avidly following this discussion regarding ATA100 drives because I saw something quite akin to that just last week. I formatted and installed two ATA100 drives, both on the primary cable as Master/Slave, and did a bunch of other install configuration thingees. About an hour later, I decided in a rash moment of heat, to put one drive as primary/master and one drive as secondary/master. The second drive disappeared. Since I really didn't have the time to figure it out, I put them back where they were formatted and all was well. Several attempts resulted in the same findings and finally I put the case on it and all was well. That day there simply wasn't enough time. On Tuesday 11 March 2003 01:57 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > I hate not knowing what has caused this. Me too. 8-( Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 03/05/2003 Usenet News server: news.kharma.net Musicians Calendar and Database access: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html An automatic & random thought For the Minute: Utility is when you have one telephone, luxury is when you have two, opulence is when you have three -- and paradise is when you have none. -- Doug Larson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bl4/aE1ENZP1A28RAgkqAJ4+xAk145RGbHz9qY7lUcLZeFEfRACfUOym urv/RVotjIeiDTGlzvqEh9k= =CBro -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
Try James Connor -- I just pointed out an article, he's the one compiling :-) On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:01, mycal62 wrote: > Hi Jack, > > tried it on my system as you outlined and it compiled and installed > fine except for the transparent menus :-( > > athlon xp 1700+ epox 8kta3pro MB kde 3.1 on a Mdk 9.0 system > > did the transparent menus work for you ? > > Jack Coates wrote: > > >On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:47, James Conner wrote: > >... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 13:50, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > Not having ever used xpp, can anyone compare/contrast it's features and > capabilities vs. the KDE print system? I'm a huge advocate of the KDE system > since it wraps a very easy to use and polished interface around a lot of > neat features (print to ps, pdf, email, fax etc) as well as providing all of > the capabilities of the printer right in front of me. > KDE's setup is nice, and if you're a KDE fan then go forth and be happy. The problem with KDE is that everything in it relies on the rest of it being around, so if you want to use kprinter you've got to wait while it loads DCOP and a ton of other stuff. >From a standing start on my system, running XFce and clicking the Cancel button as soon as I can: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo ... model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 850MHz ... bogomips: 1684.27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 375297 77 0 22 128 -/+ buffers/cache:146229 Swap: 753 0753 [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ time kprinter ... 1.14user 0.16system 0:29.09elapsed 4%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (7647major+4573minor)pagefaults 0swaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ time xpp 0.04user 0.02system 0:02.72elapsed 2%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (670major+232minor)pagefaults 0swaps > Looking at the screenshots on the xpp homepage, my first impression of the > interface was that it wasn't as polished or user-friendly as KDE's printing > system. However, that's just a first impression > Think of it as providing the same functions without requiring KDE. Another thing to realize is that there's a difference between eye-candy and user-friendly polish. xpp uses a widget set that is guaranteed to be available on any X-Windows system, which is not something one can say for Qt. It may not look as sexy, but it will work. Besides, do you want to print in thirty seconds or three seconds? Granted it should take less time if I ran KDE as my desktop environment, but I'd be interested to see if a KDE user with similar machine specs gets three second response time. My gut feeling from the times I have run KDE is that time kprinter will still take five or six seconds to load. ... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 9:50 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > Not having ever used xpp, can anyone compare/contrast it's features and > capabilities vs. the KDE print system? I'm a huge advocate of the KDE > system since it wraps a very easy to use and polished interface around a > lot of neat features (print to ps, pdf, email, fax etc) as well as > providing all of the capabilities of the printer right in front of me. > > Looking at the screenshots on the xpp homepage, my first impression of the > interface was that it wasn't as polished or user-friendly as KDE's printing > system. However, that's just a first impression > > Anyone care to comment? > I had already discovered xpp, but not in the mozilla context. It doesn't look as pretty as the kde interface, but it gives a great deal more control. There are probably at least a dozen settings there that you can't change in kde, but can in xpp. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] mozilla and printing
Hi Todd. Thanks for the reply. As an FYI, you can do the same thing with the KDE print system as well with the kprinter wrapper application. try cat file.txt | kprinter --stdin (optionally with --nodialog) or kprinter file.txt I use kprinter in this manner with all of my non-KDE apps (Crossover primarily but also Mozilla & OpenOffice) David -Original Message- From: Todd Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] mozilla and printing -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:50:26PM -0800 : > > Looking at the screenshots on the xpp homepage, my first impression of the > interface was that it wasn't as polished or user-friendly as KDE's printing > system. However, that's just a first impression Recently, kde seems to have added many of the features that were previously only available in xpp (ie integration with cups). In the old days, when you printed, you printed to the default printer. Then xpp came along and you could just pipe the output to xpp and you could choose the printer you wanted to print to. Now, the cups integration allows you to select which printer you want directly from the kde print dialog. At this point, I still prefer to use xpp because I can do things like: cat file.txt | xpp -or- xpp file.txt Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+blsrlp7v05cW2woRAlzBAJ9+f3hyLazwZJPvHxmsy6jyuix2nQCgsMRB i/CM12hjbvp2O+2R71L0G9Q= =pjfc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 7:29 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: > Are the ATA66 controllers connected to anything? If not, is the controller > disabled in CMOS (the hde and hdf correspond to the 3rd and 4th primary > controller). Of course, disabling the controller in CMOS might cause > nothing to boot as your drives might change from hde/hdf to hdc/hdd, so you > might want to proceed cautiously. > > Joeb > I use the ATA66 controllers for cd-rw and cd-dvd. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 9:51 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Anne Wilson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 09:46:19PM + : > > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > > > > This is a big help. The remaining print problem for me is in printing > > text files from KEdit or KWrite. Margins a minimal, to the point where > > text is actually lost to the non-printing areas. Do you know a way round > > that, too? > > In xpp, click on the advanced tab and adjust the margins there. By > default they're set to zero. This writes some file in your home > directory (maybe .printcap?) that all apps that print are supposed to > read (at least all that are launched by that user, ie you). > I tried adjusting them on one printer layout, but KEdit brings up the kde print interface, which appears to ignore what has been set via xpp. Is this your experience? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 8:44 pm, g wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > are you saying that you had both drives on ata100 controller and it was > working. now it has diff layout? Yes. I have made no change to the physical layout. The drives are where they have always been. I was booting between windows and Mdk 8.2 before I installed 9.0. > it would have to be something you have > brought about. > My feeling exactly, but what? > only other way is to add an ide controller card. > I have no reason to believe that the controller was working before but is not now. > before you wipe drive and reinstall, which may not cure problem, what about > moving slow drive to ata66 controller. as in move drive to 'primary > master'. you could even move both drives to ata66. ata100 will not give > full ability, but you would at least have a diff light on things. > > that is, if it works, then something is wrong with ata100 controller, > or you have a prob with lilo.conf. > > if you do try move, be sure to have a boot disk and change fstab before > you shut down and move drives. > It may come to that. But I'm still convinced it is something that I did that accidentally upset it. Going back to the start. When I installed 9.0 I could boot to 9.0 but not 8.2 (I don't think I tried windows at that point). With JRS's help I eventually sorted it out. I do not have a separate /boot partition. We had to find which partition was booting (i.e. which kernel booting from where). Once we did that, renamed the kernel and initrd files, then copied across the missing pair, renaming them, and all was well. So I breathed a sigh of relief, and booted windows for a quick but overdue job. It didn't boot, and hasn't done since. I think I did something during that period that has caused this. I have lived without windows native on this machine since that install, but as I still have hardware as yet unrecognised I occasionally need windows. At the moment I am borrowing a machine when that's essential. I could, of course, hang on until I get 9.1. I am thinking of making that a clean install of windows and 9.1 on a new large hdd, then perhaps wiping the better of these two disks and reinstalling 9.0 on that. Still, though, I hate not knowing what has caused this. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
Liquid 0.9.5 on KDE 3.0.x bombs on the configure. Can't find qt3 despite the fact that it is installed. Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it ... on its success or failure? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 01:50:26PM -0800 : > > Looking at the screenshots on the xpp homepage, my first impression of the > interface was that it wasn't as polished or user-friendly as KDE's printing > system. However, that's just a first impression Recently, kde seems to have added many of the features that were previously only available in xpp (ie integration with cups). In the old days, when you printed, you printed to the default printer. Then xpp came along and you could just pipe the output to xpp and you could choose the printer you wanted to print to. Now, the cups integration allows you to select which printer you want directly from the kde print dialog. At this point, I still prefer to use xpp because I can do things like: cat file.txt | xpp -or- xpp file.txt Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+blsrlp7v05cW2woRAlzBAJ9+f3hyLazwZJPvHxmsy6jyuix2nQCgsMRB i/CM12hjbvp2O+2R71L0G9Q= =pjfc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
Hi Jack, tried it on my system as you outlined and it compiled and installed fine except for the transparent menus :-( athlon xp 1700+ epox 8kta3pro MB kde 3.1 on a Mdk 9.0 system did the transparent menus work for you ? Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:47, James Conner wrote: ... Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it didn't exist, so I went to his web site to get the tarball. He claims on his web site( http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html ) that "Mandrake uses a non-standard directory structure that breaks KDE software installation when compiling from source. Specifically, it uses a non-standard directory for the configuration files that control what shows up in the KDE Control Center, in the menus, and mimetypes. " Well, not to be detered, I installed it anyway. It didn't work. I did some digging and found it installed it in /opt/kde instead of /usr. I uninstalled it and did the following: make distclean ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install It showed up in the Control Center and worked fine. I sent Mofset an e-mail stating my success and how I did it. He replied that before he changes his web site to reflect this, he needs to make sure it's not an isolated case. So my question is has anyone done this and had any success? If not, is anyone here willing to try this and report on its success or failure? Jim In this month's Linux Journal, there's an article about KDE's Desktop Sharing which makes it very clear what one needs to do to compile software for KDE on Mandrake. It agrees with your process. Perhaps Mosfet should consider a subscription? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 09:46:19PM + : > > > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > This is a big help. The remaining print problem for me is in printing text > files from KEdit or KWrite. Margins a minimal, to the point where text is > actually lost to the non-printing areas. Do you know a way round that, too? In xpp, click on the advanced tab and adjust the margins there. By default they're set to zero. This writes some file in your home directory (maybe .printcap?) that all apps that print are supposed to read (at least all that are launched by that user, ie you). Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp #for great justice Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+blpqlp7v05cW2woRAgh4AKCgBPa0zLD5qe603NJyVe+0AUyPPgCgth1+ RWBlCk0LJMclkeAvsmF7s7I= =phTb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] mozilla and printing
Not having ever used xpp, can anyone compare/contrast it's features and capabilities vs. the KDE print system? I'm a huge advocate of the KDE system since it wraps a very easy to use and polished interface around a lot of neat features (print to ps, pdf, email, fax etc) as well as providing all of the capabilities of the printer right in front of me. Looking at the screenshots on the xpp homepage, my first impression of the interface was that it wasn't as polished or user-friendly as KDE's printing system. However, that's just a first impression Anyone care to comment? David -Original Message- From: Preston-Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] mozilla and printing On Tuesday 11 March 2003 03:51 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 11:56, Todd Lyons wrote: > ... > > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > > Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed > > by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as > > it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). > > > > Blue skies... Todd > > I love xpp... xpp is my little friend. lpr is icky. I, too was not enjoying the process of printing in Moz. I just tried xpp and it is great. This list is a great resource! Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 7:56 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daniel Anderson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:49:16PM -0500 : > > Hi, > > MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only > > printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) > > on the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives > > but > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed > by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as > it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). > This is a big help. The remaining print problem for me is in printing text files from KEdit or KWrite. Margins a minimal, to the point where text is actually lost to the non-printing areas. Do you know a way round that, too? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
Are the ATA66 controllers connected to anything? If not, is the controller disabled in CMOS (the hde and hdf correspond to the 3rd and 4th primary controller). Of course, disabling the controller in CMOS might cause nothing to boot as your drives might change from hde/hdf to hdc/hdd, so you might want to proceed cautiously. Joeb ---Original Message--- From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 03/11/03 09:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines > > On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 1:02 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: Hi, Joe > I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but might this problem be due to > how your drives are partitioned as in primary vs extended partitions? > Could it be that if your OS, doesn't matter which is actually in an > extended partition, that LILO need to mount the primary partition > containing it to boot? No, windows is on hde1, a primary, and Mandrake 9 is on hdf1, also a primary. > I'm not a LILO guru, so I could be totally wrong. > I do know that I've mounted extended partitions (usually when installing > Linux in a dual boot environment) and have come up with some pretty strange > mappings. One other thought. This isn't a large harddrive that has had a > bootmanager installed to override the bios settings on the computer is it? No - the drives are 19GB and 16GB respectively - no need for anything exotic. > I know that a lot of drives over 32GB have special boot loaders (regardless > of the OS) to handle booting. Linux doesn't actually need it (Windows > does, sometimes), but does LILO respect it if it is there? > The only thing odd about the setup is this having 2 ATA100 connectors and 2 ATA66 connectors. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
Oooo! I'll byte! I've tried installing it before and couldn't get it to work. Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:47, James Conner wrote: ... Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it didn't exist, so I went to his web site to get the tarball. He claims on his web site( http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html ) that "Mandrake uses a non-standard directory structure that breaks KDE software installation when compiling from source. Specifically, it uses a non-standard directory for the configuration files that control what shows up in the KDE Control Center, in the menus, and mimetypes. " Well, not to be detered, I installed it anyway. It didn't work. I did some digging and found it installed it in /opt/kde instead of /usr. I uninstalled it and did the following: make distclean ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install It showed up in the Control Center and worked fine. I sent Mofset an e-mail stating my success and how I did it. He replied that before he changes his web site to reflect this, he needs to make sure it's not an isolated case. So my question is has anyone done this and had any success? If not, is anyone here willing to try this and report on its success or failure? Jim In this month's Linux Journal, there's an article about KDE's Desktop Sharing which makes it very clear what one needs to do to compile software for KDE on Mandrake. It agrees with your process. Perhaps Mosfet should consider a subscription? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 03:51 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 11:56, Todd Lyons wrote: > ... > > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > > Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed > > by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as > > it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). > > > > Blue skies... Todd > > I love xpp... xpp is my little friend. lpr is icky. I, too was not enjoying the process of printing in Moz. I just tried xpp and it is great. This list is a great resource! Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
Anne Wilson wrote: Trouble is, it doesn't work, and hasn't done since these appeared in lilo that was a part i was not sure about. if lilo.conf had been working. this puts a whole different light on subject. Since it was not there from the start, I am beginning to wonder if something I did when trying to understand the multipart lilo booting has caused this, and upset things. are you saying that you had both drives on ata100 controller and it was working. now it has diff layout? it would have to be something you have brought about. this has me wondering just what you at a loss about. Sorry - it's just a gut feeling that something is wrong here - and my guts are usually to be trusted you know your gut better than i do. :) why is it odd for a mainboard to have 2 ata controllers? Unusual, would have been more precise than odd. Large drives were, of course, not common or cheap when this mobo came out. I don't see many people bothering with 6 hdds + 2 cds at today's sizes, without a raid mobo. i will accept unusual. only other way is to add an ide controller card. Something is not quite right, here, g. I'm pretty sure that if I wiped the disk and started afresh this would not appear, but I still wouldn't know what had caused it. before you wipe drive and reinstall, which may not cure problem, what about moving slow drive to ata66 controller. as in move drive to 'primary master'. you could even move both drives to ata66. ata100 will not give full ability, but you would at least have a diff light on things. that is, if it works, then something is wrong with ata100 controller, or you have a prob with lilo.conf. if you do try move, be sure to have a boot disk and change fstab before you shut down and move drives. peace out. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 11:56, Todd Lyons wrote: ... > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed > by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as > it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). > > Blue skies... Todd I love xpp... xpp is my little friend. lpr is icky. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
Thanks Todd. That fixed it. And thanks to all who responded. Dan On Tuesday 11 March 2003 02:56 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daniel Anderson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:49:16PM -0500 : > > Hi, > > MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only > > printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) > > on the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives > > but > > Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into > Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed > by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as > it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). > > Blue skies... Todd > - -- >MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com > Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. > All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML > Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+bj+Alp7v05cW2woRAtcxAJ9t5GkfzW+VMaS80I2Hp9CNlLNJpgCeKpuH > TJTTl/We7rhNGChtII8S2u8= > =jzdg > -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- 3:31pm up 12 days, 21:32, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.10, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 7:51 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: > Can you print from KDE 3.x? If so, try making your print command "kprinter > --stdin" and that should get you going... > That's the one I was trying to remember. Thanks David. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Anderson wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:49:16PM -0500 : > Hi, > MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only > printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) on > the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives but Change your print command to either 'lpr' or 'xpp' in Mozilla (go into Properties in the print dialog). You probably don't have xpp installed by default, so you'll need to manually install it. I recommend it as it's super and works GREAT. (Less filling too). Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bj+Alp7v05cW2woRAtcxAJ9t5GkfzW+VMaS80I2Hp9CNlLNJpgCeKpuH TJTTl/We7rhNGChtII8S2u8= =jzdg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] mozilla and printing
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 7:49 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote: > Hi, > MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only > printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) on > the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives but > didn't find an answer that works. Looks like others have had this problem. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Dan I don't think there is a way round this at the moment, Dan. The postscript printer should take its settings from your default printer, but you just are not going to get the choice that you have in kde apps. I think someone suggested that it was possible to use --stdout (or something like that) to get it to list your kde printers. With any luck someone will pick me up here and give you correct instructions. Don't forget, though to carefully copy the command line that is being used with the postscript printer in case you need to put it back. Good luck Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] mozilla and printing
Can you print from KDE 3.x? If so, try making your print command "kprinter --stdin" and that should get you going... David -Original Message- From: Daniel Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:49 PM To: Expert Subject: [expert] mozilla and printing Hi, MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) on the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives but didn't find an answer that works. Looks like others have had this problem. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan -- 2:43pm up 12 days, 20:43, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.16, 0.12 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mozilla and printing
Hi, MDK9.0, I can't print from mozilla or mozilla based brousers. The only printer that shows is a postscript printer. I have a Deskjet 841c (cups) on the network that works for everything else. I searched the archives but didn't find an answer that works. Looks like others have had this problem. Any ideas? Thanks, Dan -- 2:43pm up 12 days, 20:43, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.16, 0.12 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Shorewall - DL'ed fm shorewall website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > No. You're allowing people to ssh directly to your firewall. That's > not safe. At the very least use tcpwrappers to limit what IP's can > connect to the sshd daemon. Even better, limit it to key based ssh'ing > (ie no interactive login). Make sure the following are set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config: PermitRootLogin no PasswordAuthentication no PermitEmptyPasswords no Protocol 2 PubkeyAuthentication yes UsePrivilegeSeparation yes Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bjv4Bn4EFUVUIO0RAhfDAKCAWQsjrY+aFxqvqfiXvfYBvewIzQCg8FWX 03hnjtj8wczdmyezMGAZ8XU= =RM6b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Conner wrote on Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 02:25:27PM + : > > Well, some distros put KDE in /opt/kde and some, like Mandrake, put it in > /usr. Granted, there are pros and cons on both sides. I'm not starting this > thread to discuss that, I just want it to work and for Mofset to have the > correct info on his web page. Granted, he may be misinformed, but I don't > think the misinformation on his web page was intentional. He's willing to :) Mostfet used to work for Mandrake (before I got here). I'd assume that it's not intentional as well. > correct it if I can prove that my working system isn't just a fluke and it > works on other systems running MDK 9.0. A path or two is wrong, that's probably all. Blue skies... Todd - -- Never take no as an answer from someone who's not authorized to say yes. --Ben Reser on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bjpklp7v05cW2woRAjkOAKDG6dTtuiJThJfg9djqXSk0HK9OVwCfakQ6 9lOh5O1KWWuHmU2SAeo4ka8= =hr6p -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] LT Win Modem on Notebook Computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:02:41PM -0500 : > Dear all, > > I am using a notebook computer and I installed Mandrake 9.0. The > problems I am having is that my notebook cannnot get on internet. My > notebook has a LT Win Modem and I have installed a driver > (ltmodem-kv_2.4.19_16mdk-8.26a9-1.i586.rpm) for the linux, but my > notebook cannnot get on internet. Could you teach me how I can get > on internet using the modem? My modem number is 1456VQL19R1. Thank you > for your help. That rpm is a good rpm and works well. I have tested it on multiple machines with various types of Lucent modems. The rpm adds some lines to /etc/modules.conf that will automatically make the /dev/modem link that points to /dev/LT/0 (if I remmeber correctly) when you try to access it. So start up kppp, go into configuration, press the AutoDetect button. It will try to read from /dev/modem, which will force devfs to do a 'modprobe /dev/modem' which will automatically load the lt_modem module (and the lt_serial module), which will then register with devfs which will then create /dev/modem. Now kppp will be able to talk to your modem. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bjnllp7v05cW2woRAgrtAJ4um9IXwpKIyawpZmMXE9gMkM0yQgCfXj/a 6jmOjd/aXASqfjqOsfIcSgA= =PEo1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Shorewall - DL'ed fm shorewall website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim C wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 02:28:10PM -0800 : > > So basically the local network and the firewall box can talk to anyone > but, as defined below, not anyone can talk back. Not quite. If you send a packet out, a reply coming back in (aka talk back) will be allowed. If a *NEW* incoming packet appears though, that will be rejected. Maybe you understood it perfectly and only your wording implied something different than my wording, but I want to make sure we're on the same page. > The only rules I have defined so far are: > ACCEPT net fwtcp 22 #(ssh) > ACCEPT net fwicmp8 #(ping) > So anyway here is the big question: Given that I have physical security > on the local net and firewall boxes, is this a safe basic setup? No. You're allowing people to ssh directly to your firewall. That's not safe. At the very least use tcpwrappers to limit what IP's can connect to the sshd daemon. Even better, limit it to key based ssh'ing (ie no interactive login). Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp #for great justice Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bjdklp7v05cW2woRAg/LAJ9zvPrjuXxzUFc2gdTySPhfLBOOWACfab8P KAM46mSKWfUYCo9cacj2krY= =LCfe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
On Tuesday March 11, 2003 04:52 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > In this month's Linux Journal, there's an article about KDE's Desktop > Sharing which makes it very clear what one needs to do to compile > software for KDE on Mandrake. It agrees with your process. Perhaps > Mosfet should consider a subscription? I haven't seen that article, but I'll let Mofset know. Thanks for the info. I just need something to back me up to prove that it wasn't just a fluke that it worked on my system and it will work on other systems running MDK 9.0. Jim -- 2:01pm up 11 days, 3:21, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
On Tuesday March 11, 2003 04:18 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: > It is simply wrong that Mandrake breaks kde, its a lie . full stop. > The only thing that mandrake changes is the location of the menus, since it > uses debian-style menu-entries as far as I know. But so debian would break > kde too. Well, some distros put KDE in /opt/kde and some, like Mandrake, put it in /usr. Granted, there are pros and cons on both sides. I'm not starting this thread to discuss that, I just want it to work and for Mofset to have the correct info on his web page. Granted, he may be misinformed, but I don't think the misinformation on his web page was intentional. He's willing to correct it if I can prove that my working system isn't just a fluke and it works on other systems running MDK 9.0. Jim -- 2:01pm up 11 days, 3:21, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to mend a stupid slip?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:11:52PM + : > > Konqueror->Settings->ConfigureKonqueror->KonquerorBrowser. Uncheck the > > "Enable completion of forms" setting or lower the number to 1, login, > > and then log back out. That should clear it to only the last one you > > used and then you can raise it back up to the default 10. > This is, in fact, the solution that Adolfo gave me - and it works. > Thanks for everyone's efforts. You can tell that I don't read an entire thread before I start answering as it had already been answered by Adolfo, it was just further down the thread and I hadn't gotten to it yet. Props to Adolfo! Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Favourite shell: bash, though I also like 'init=/usr/bin/emacs' --Andrew Tridgell Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bjXzlp7v05cW2woRAoxYAKCRzaifjN3vdyLMIqg9WA1fYfdkRgCghXxQ BPNw8fdnuwEUSavKVpBnzY4= =Ysyu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 5:00 pm, g wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Sunday 09 Mar 2003 1:18 pm, g wrote: > > > > I'm trying to get to grips with both this one and the one that follows > > it. Bear with me, it's brain-spinning > > not having been into hardware, i can understand how it is confusing to you. > > i am looking forward to your comments on 'one that follows'. > > it is almost, 'it works, accept it'. but, such an approach does not answer > your questions. > Trouble is, it doesn't work, and hasn't done since these appeared in lilo - not that I am saying they are to blame, just that the loss of windows and the appearance of these lines happened when I installed 9.0. In fact I have checked back, and it seems that it appeared during the period when I was trying to find out why I could not boot to 8.2 as well as 9.0. It is definitely not in the lilo.conf that I saved at that time. > > That sounds reasonable. BUT, windows is on hde/hda and Mdk9.0 is on > > hdf/hdb. So why would it want to make further mappings? Isn't that what > > we are trying to achieve? > > first re mapping moves drives from ata100 'logical' position, second moves > them again to proper positions. it would be better to have a single re map, > but for some reason that is not done. why, i can not answer. > Since it was not there from the start, I am beginning to wonder if something I did when trying to understand the multipart lilo booting has caused this, and upset things. > this has me wondering just what you at a loss about. > Sorry - it's just a gut feeling that something is wrong here - and my guts are usually to be trusted > The only thing odd about the setup is this having 2 ATA100 connectors and 2 > ATA66 connectors. > > why is it odd for a mainboard to have 2 ata controllers? > Unusual, would have been more precise than odd. Large drives were, of course, not common or cheap when this mobo came out. I don't see many people bothering with 6 hdds + 2 cds at today's sizes, without a raid mobo. Something is not quite right, here, g. I'm pretty sure that if I wiped the disk and started afresh this would not appear, but I still wouldn't know what had caused it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 09 Mar 2003 1:18 pm, g wrote: > I'm trying to get to grips with both this one and the one that follows it. > Bear with me, it's brain-spinning not having been into hardware, i can understand how it is confusing to you. i am looking forward to your comments on 'one that follows'. it is almost, 'it works, accept it'. but, such an approach does not answer your questions. > That sounds reasonable. BUT, windows is on hde/hda and Mdk9.0 is on hdf/hdb. > So why would it want to make further mappings? Isn't that what we are trying > to achieve? first re mapping moves drives from ata100 'logical' position, second moves them again to proper positions. it would be better to have a single re map, but for some reason that is not done. why, i can not answer. > My brain aches, but I'm sticking with itI appreciate your time. perseverance. it does my brain good to meet someone like you with a quest for knowledge. :) you are most welcome. this has me wondering just what you at a loss about. *** Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:14:32 + On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 1:02 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: The only thing odd about the setup is this having 2 ATA100 connectors and 2 ATA66 connectors. *** why is it odd for a mainboard to have 2 ata controllers? it is an extra feature that one day will/may become a standard. with availability of fast ata100 drives, those 2 controllers will both end up being ata100. ata33 is gone, ata66 is on it's way. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy "made in america". =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:47, James Conner wrote: ... > Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it didn't > exist, so I went to his web site to get the tarball. He claims on his web > site( http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html ) that "Mandrake uses a non-standard > directory structure that breaks KDE software installation when compiling from > source. Specifically, it uses a non-standard directory for the configuration > files that control what shows up in the KDE Control Center, in the menus, and > mimetypes. " Well, not to be detered, I installed it anyway. It didn't > work. I did some digging and found it installed it in /opt/kde instead of > /usr. I uninstalled it and did the following: > make distclean > ./configure --prefix=/usr > make > make install > It showed up in the Control Center and worked fine. I sent Mofset an e-mail > stating my success and how I did it. He replied that before he changes his > web site to reflect this, he needs to make sure it's not an isolated case. > So my question is has anyone done this and had any success? If not, is > anyone here willing to try this and report on its success or failure? > > Jim In this month's Linux Journal, there's an article about KDE's Desktop Sharing which makes it very clear what one needs to do to compile software for KDE on Mandrake. It agrees with your process. Perhaps Mosfet should consider a subscription? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow FTP and POP3
Actually I didn't--it's our box, not theirs. Miark On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:23:34 -0500 et <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And even more important to _me_, where did you find a hosting/co-location > service using Mandrake? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow FTP and POP3
James, For FTP, I edited /etc/proftpd.conf to include the following line: IdentLookups off and then restarted ProFTP with /etc/rc.d/init.d/proftpd restart For POP/POPS I edited ipop3 and pops in /etc/xinetd.d/ to include log_on_success = yes instead of what it was(=+ USERID or something like that). Then I restarted xinitd with /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart Miark On 10 Mar 2003 21:49:21 -0800 James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 13:58, Miark wrote: > > > > I Googled the situation and found the answer: ident lookups. I have no idea > > what they are (right now) but I know that both POP and FTP were using and > > timing out on them. So I disabled them, and whamo--everything is fast again! > > where did you find this info... or better yet where did you mod to > stop it happening. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
Thanks to everyone who has answered this. You've cleared up things a great deal for me. Jim C. Vox wrote: This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: The -l just lists ports that are in the act of listening, whereas active connections are listed separately. For instance, if you have another computer on your home network (B), ssh from B to A. Then on A, list all the TCP connections with a netstat -at. The listening ports (including ssh) will show a foreign address of as above, and listed separately below in the active connections you'll see your ssh connection from B to A. OK, but a potential connection (i.e. listenting) from Local address 0.0.0.0:[arbitrary port number] to foreign address 0.0.0.0:[arbitrary port number] represents a possible connection between what IP's? So far, I have to assume that it is either any IP or no IP. 0.0.0.0 = any On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's valid :) Vox Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 11:47, James Conner wrote: > I'd been using Mofset's Liquid style on KDE 3.0.5a on MDK 9.0 for quite a > while. I wanted to upgrade to KDE 3.1, but didn't want to lose Liquid. I > installed KDE 3.1 from here: > ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-addon/KDE 3.1 MDK 9.0/rpms > First I had to download all files into a subdirectory and run: > rpm -Uvh --test *.rpm > It told me what I had to do to get it installed. I had to delete a couple > of files, grab kdetoys from texstar's site and install htdig from the 9.0 > cdrom. After it passed the testing phase, I logged out of kde and into > blackbox(you can use anything but kde) and installed it. I logged back > into KDE 3.1 and it worked fine, just some minor tweaks. > Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it > didn't exist, so I went to his web site to get the tarball. He claims on > his web site( http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html ) that "Mandrake uses a > non-standard directory structure that breaks KDE software installation when > compiling from source. Specifically, it uses a non-standard directory for > the configuration files that control what shows up in the KDE Control > Center, in the menus, and mimetypes. " Well, not to be detered, I > installed it anyway. It didn't work. I did some digging and found it > installed it in /opt/kde instead of /usr. I uninstalled it and did the > following: > make distclean > ./configure --prefix=/usr > make > make install > It showed up in the Control Center and worked fine. I sent Mofset an > e-mail stating my success and how I did it. He replied that before he > changes his web site to reflect this, he needs to make sure it's not an > isolated case. So my question is has anyone done this and had any success? > If not, is anyone here willing to try this and report on its success or > failure? > > Jim It is simply wrong that Mandrake breaks kde, its a lie . full stop. The only thing that mandrake changes is the location of the menus, since it uses debian-style menu-entries as far as I know. But so debian would break kde too. -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Liquid Style on 9.0 with KDE3.1
I'd been using Mofset's Liquid style on KDE 3.0.5a on MDK 9.0 for quite a while. I wanted to upgrade to KDE 3.1, but didn't want to lose Liquid. I installed KDE 3.1 from here: ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-addon/KDE 3.1 MDK 9.0/rpms First I had to download all files into a subdirectory and run: rpm -Uvh --test *.rpm It told me what I had to do to get it installed. I had to delete a couple of files, grab kdetoys from texstar's site and install htdig from the 9.0 cdrom. After it passed the testing phase, I logged out of kde and into blackbox(you can use anything but kde) and installed it. I logged back into KDE 3.1 and it worked fine, just some minor tweaks. Now I had to get Mofset's Liquid. I looked for an updated rpm and it didn't exist, so I went to his web site to get the tarball. He claims on his web site( http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html ) that "Mandrake uses a non-standard directory structure that breaks KDE software installation when compiling from source. Specifically, it uses a non-standard directory for the configuration files that control what shows up in the KDE Control Center, in the menus, and mimetypes. " Well, not to be detered, I installed it anyway. It didn't work. I did some digging and found it installed it in /opt/kde instead of /usr. I uninstalled it and did the following: make distclean ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install It showed up in the Control Center and worked fine. I sent Mofset an e-mail stating my success and how I did it. He replied that before he changes his web site to reflect this, he needs to make sure it's not an isolated case. So my question is has anyone done this and had any success? If not, is anyone here willing to try this and report on its success or failure? Jim -- 10:01am up 10 days, 23:21, 7 users, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 1:02 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: Hi, Joe > I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but might this problem be due to > how your drives are partitioned as in primary vs extended partitions? > Could it be that if your OS, doesn't matter which is actually in an > extended partition, that LILO need to mount the primary partition > containing it to boot? No, windows is on hde1, a primary, and Mandrake 9 is on hdf1, also a primary. > I'm not a LILO guru, so I could be totally wrong. > I do know that I've mounted extended partitions (usually when installing > Linux in a dual boot environment) and have come up with some pretty strange > mappings. One other thought. This isn't a large harddrive that has had a > bootmanager installed to override the bios settings on the computer is it? No - the drives are 19GB and 16GB respectively - no need for anything exotic. > I know that a lot of drives over 32GB have special boot loaders (regardless > of the OS) to handle booting. Linux doesn't actually need it (Windows > does, sometimes), but does LILO respect it if it is there? > The only thing odd about the setup is this having 2 ATA100 connectors and 2 ATA66 connectors. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 09:58, Pierre Fortin wrote: > Get over it... your statement is factually incorrect what you are > probably referring to is the old-style [sub]net broadcast address > > Classfull: > 192.0.0.0: old-style broadcast -- last 0 only (Class C) > 162.198.0.0: old-style broadcast (Class B) > 192.0.0.[1-254]: your statement is wrong (Class C) > 168.0.0.0: old style broadcast -- last two 0s only(Class B) > 12.12.12.12/255.240.0.0: why not complain about this? >^^ ^^^ : subnet = 0 (Class A w/4-bit subnet) > > Classless(no subnetting): > 192.168.1.0/16: valid non-zero host part > 12.0.1.0/23: valid non-zero host part > 129.0.0.0/7: valid non-zero host part > > Not to mention this is IP part only; not TCP/IP... In other words, what has to be non zero is the part of the IP that is not masked. You can always think of the IP as composed by two parts: The network bits and the host bits. IP = networkbits.hostbits For a host, hostbits can not be all 0 (network id) or all 1 (broadcast). -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but might this problem be due to how your drives are partitioned as in primary vs extended partitions? Could it be that if your OS, doesn't matter which is actually in an extended partition, that LILO need to mount the primary partition containing it to boot? I'm not a LILO guru, so I could be totally wrong. I do know that I've mounted extended partitions (usually when installing Linux in a dual boot environment) and have come up with some pretty strange mappings. One other thought. This isn't a large harddrive that has had a bootmanager installed to override the bios settings on the computer is it? I know that a lot of drives over 32GB have special boot loaders (regardless of the OS) to handle booting. Linux doesn't actually need it (Windows does, sometimes), but does LILO respect it if it is there? A lot of questions, and no real answers, Joeb ---Original Message--- From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 03/11/03 07:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines > > On Sunday 09 Mar 2003 1:18 pm, g wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: I'm trying to get to grips with both this one and the one that follows it. Bear with me, it's brain-spinning > > you may not have an hda and hdb, but, when 'what ever' wrote your > 'lilo.conf', it thought you need to have them. > > so, to give them to you, a 1st re mapping is to issue, > disk=/dev/hde bios=0x81 > disk=/dev/hdg bios=0x82 > which ;logically' changes hde to hda, and hdf to hdb, so that bios will > think you have an hda and hdb... > That sounds reasonable. BUT, windows is on hde/hda and Mdk9.0 is on hdf/hdb. So why would it want to make further mappings? Isn't that what we are trying to achieve? My brain aches, but I'm sticking with itI appreciate your time. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:50:52 -0600 Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, > a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to > use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's > valid :) Get over it... your statement is factually incorrect what you are probably referring to is the old-style [sub]net broadcast address Classfull: 192.0.0.0: old-style broadcast -- last 0 only (Class C) 162.198.0.0: old-style broadcast (Class B) 192.0.0.[1-254]: your statement is wrong (Class C) 168.0.0.0: old style broadcast -- last two 0s only(Class B) 12.12.12.12/255.240.0.0: why not complain about this? ^^ ^^^ : subnet = 0 (Class A w/4-bit subnet) Classless(no subnetting): 192.168.1.0/16: valid non-zero host part 12.0.1.0/23: valid non-zero host part 129.0.0.0/7: valid non-zero host part Not to mention this is IP part only; not TCP/IP... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo conf lines
On Sunday 09 Mar 2003 1:18 pm, g wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: I'm trying to get to grips with both this one and the one that follows it. Bear with me, it's brain-spinning > > you may not have an hda and hdb, but, when 'what ever' wrote your > 'lilo.conf', it thought you need to have them. > > so, to give them to you, a 1st re mapping is to issue, > disk=/dev/hde bios=0x81 > disk=/dev/hdg bios=0x82 > which ;logically' changes hde to hda, and hdf to hdb, so that bios will > think you have an hda and hdb... > That sounds reasonable. BUT, windows is on hde/hda and Mdk9.0 is on hdf/hdb. So why would it want to make further mappings? Isn't that what we are trying to achieve? My brain aches, but I'm sticking with itI appreciate your time. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
This time Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 03:50, Vox wrote: > >> 0.0.0.0 = any >> >> On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, >> a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to >> use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's >> valid :) >> >> Vox > Hi Vox: > > I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why > you hate 0 in IPs. > > As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP > addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. I know a non-ending 0 octet loses its special meaning...it's just that I've always seen a 0 octet much as a * and it takes me a few seconds to stop seeing it like that when I'm reading IPs on logs or stuff like that. Let's call it a quirk-from-bad-habit :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Slow FTP and POP3
And even more important to _me_, where did you find a hosting/co-location service using Mandrake? On Tuesday 11 March 2003 12:49 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 13:58, Miark wrote: > > It's me, O, Lord :-) > > > > I Googled the situation and found the answer: ident lookups. I have no > > idea what they are (right now) but I know that both POP and FTP were > > using and timing out on them. So I disabled them, and whamo--everything > > is fast again! > > Miark, > where did you find this info... or better yet where did you mod to > stop it happening. > > James > > > Thank you, self. > > > > You're very welcome, self! > > > > Miark > > > > Roses are red, violets are blue; I'm schizophrenic and so am I. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:25:51 -0500 > > > > Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have a 8.2 machine co-hosted in a remote state from me. When I > > > connect via the Web, SSH, or SMTP, it's fast. When I connect via POP3 I > > > have to wait about 25 seconds, and for FTP I have to wait about 10 > > > seconds. This has been the case for many months. There was a period of, > > > perhaps a week when everything was fast. But then it reverted back to > > > "some fast, some slow". > > > > > > It didn't make sense that it was my box, so I did a traceroute and > > > found a couple of places where things always slow down--all on UUNet, > > > the network on which my box is hosted. I called them for help, but they > > > wouldn't look into it because I'm not a direct customer. I then had my > > > ISP call, and they were told that as long as the connection _works_ we > > > don't give a damn how long we have to wait. > > > > > > My ISP said that if more people brought it to their attention that they > > > might look into it. Of course I have no idea of _really_ knowing > > > whether others have called about this. > > > > > > So I dunno. Any ideas? I'm really sick of waiting a half-minute to > > > connect to my POP server. > > > > > > Miark > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 07:58, Adolfo Bello wrote: > Hi Vox: > > I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why > you hate 0 in IPs. > > As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP > addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. or to any power of 2 octet minus 1 -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 06:58 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 03:50, Vox wrote: > > 0.0.0.0 = any > > > > On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, > > a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to > > use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's > > valid :) > > > > Vox > > Hi Vox: > > I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why > you hate 0 in IPs. > > As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP > addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. > > Am I wrong or missing something? > > Saludos I don't think it was the ")" that bottered him, I thought it was the "x" ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 03:50, Vox wrote: > 0.0.0.0 = any > > On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, > a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to > use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's > valid :) > > Vox Hi Vox: I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why you hate 0 in IPs. As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. Am I wrong or missing something? Saludos -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > 0.0.0.0 = any Further to this, if you see a service listening on 0.0.0.0, it actually means the service is listening on all available (and future) interfaces. tcp0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Here, I have something listening on port 631 (cups) on all interfaces, and something listening only on localhost (postgres) Since both services are listening and have no connection, neither of them have a foreign address listed (hence the 0.0.0.0 in the second address field). tcp0 0 128.98.x.x:34445 128.98.z.z:22 ESTABLISHED tcp1 0 128.98.x.x:35738 128.98.y.y:3125CLOSE_WAIT Here, I have an established connection made to a server on port 22 (ssh) and another waiting for a timeout. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+bbO4Bn4EFUVUIO0RAunEAJ4lxofflMzR3LzgP0a6Pw/E40XimQCg0nXJ jURQr3gCoZAJJvuTbiPVCR8= =0fF7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kmail POP filter
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 1:17 am, engage wrote: > On Monday 10 March 2003 03:32 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Sunday 09 Mar 2003 11:21 pm, engage wrote: > > > Is anyone using this (Settings->Configure POP filters)? I'm trying to > > > get it to delete HTML e-mail from the mail server instead of > > > transferring it to the client. It doesn't appear to work. > > > > > > Mandrake 9.0, sendmail-8.12.6-3.2mdk, gnu-pop3d-0.9.8-6mdk > > > > I've used KMail's pop filter against some spam, but not specifically > > against html. What parameters are you using? > > > > Anne > > I set it up to delete any mail containing in the message from the > server. PLEASE - remove your reply-to. It is a big time/bandwidth waster for us. Without it all replies go to the list, not yourself. Try 'content-type' contains 'text-html' This is what I'm testing on my local folders. I don't get very much html mail, so it could be while before I know whether it's working as I want. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] cups printing problem while connected to DSL
I suddenly have a heavy printing problem: while beeing connected to the internet (via rp-pppoe-gui and DSL) I cannot print. kprinter does not show any printer. After closing the DSL all printers appear agian. This came up recently. I have installed: -- cups-common-1.1.18-1.1mdk cups-drivers-1.1-84.2mdk libcups1-1.1.18-1.1mdk cups-1.1.18-1.1mdk -- Urgent help needed. Thanks W. Kasberg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
