[expert] I think it's safe to say the 2.4.22 kernel series is screwed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At least with regards to sound. I must now give up on any 9.2 stock kernels. I have now failed to get my fully functional sound system to work in 9.2 using: default kernel 2.4.22-10mdk, 2.4.22-21mdk, 2.4.22 multimedia kernel, the 9.2 2.4.22 tmb kernel. Not a one of them will operate my VIA 8233 sound device while 9.1 and the 2.4.21 kernel series had no problems. Another problem endemic to the 2.4.22 kernel set is its inability to bootup a system that has APIC disabled in bios. Before 9.2 (and 2.4.22) I disabled APIC in bios and everything worked very well. As a matter of fact, to ensure that everything worked stably and properly I HAD to disable APIC. Now, with the 2.4.22 series, I absolutely HAVE to enable APIC in bios or the system will die during early bootup, even if I use the noapic kernel option. Either noapic doesn't do anything, or the kernel, regardless of switch, now absolutely requires APIC to function at all. I have also tried acpi=off alone or in combination with noapic. No sound regardless. The killer is the absolute requirement for APIC to be enabled, however. If I hadn't gone the extra step of experimenting (in other words, if I were a standard likely new user) I would have had to give up on 9.2 and assume it was totally borked. My 9.0 and 9.1 installs were flawless and sound worked. SuSE 9.0 installs flawlessly (but uses a specially modified 2.4.21 kernel) and sound works. 9.2 wont install unless APIC is enabled in bios and cannot handle the previously fine via 8233 sound device. Can anyone suggest a way of getting a 9.1 kernel to build/install/function on a 9.2 install? I tried installing the SuSE 9.0 kernel source rpm but it is so oddly setup that I feared even trying to build and install it. It doesn't merely install a kernel source directory tree in /usr/src, it also adds an extra kernel/headers tree as well. I have already tried building several 2.4.21 kernels from 9.1 but they fail at various points in module building (every time a failure would occur, I'd do a make clean and restart xconfig and disable the module that caused the latest problem, if it was an unneeded module, and try again...only to run into yet another and another and another, etc, until I gave up). Honestly, at this point I have two clear options unless someone can offer a viable alternative: uninstall 9.2 and go back to 9.1 or install SuSE 9.0. praedor - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/u4QYaKr9sJYeTxgRAhEzAJ4ys0VNan0dX6vSrvJXba5YTPqZygCgqNnI 2EMUPODgT0PeqWiq8KOWBVo= =Y1SZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I think it's safe to say the 2.4.22 kernel series is screwed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Your sound system is virtually identical to mine. I have also installed aumix and maxed out all the sliders. All I can say is that when I use 2.4.21 kernels, sound works flawlessly. If I use anything in the 2.4.22 list, no sound. Sound works in windoze. Sound works for SuSE 9.0, mandrake 9.1, and 9.0. Nothing changes when installing 9.2 at all except that sound magically quits working. praedor On Wednesday 19 November 2003 05:41 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:54 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: At least with regards to sound. I must now give up on any 9.2 stock kernels. I have now failed to get my fully functional sound system to work in 9.2 using: default kernel 2.4.22-10mdk, 2.4.22-21mdk, 2.4.22 multimedia kernel, the 9.2 2.4.22 tmb kernel. Not a one of them will operate my VIA 8233 sound device while 9.1 and the 2.4.21 kernel series had no problems. I've been reading this thread, but with no idea what your problem could be Praedor . I've got a VIA 8233 snd-via82xx : VIA Technologies|VT8233 [AC97 Audio Controller] [MULTIMEDIA_AUDIO] (actually the sound chip is an ADI AD-1980) ...and I'm using tom $ uname -r 2.4.22-21.tmb.2mdk The sound works just fine. I did have to install aumix-2.8-6mdk (it wasn't installed by default) and move all it's sliders to 100%, then do the same in kmix. I'm now running 10.0, but the sound worked with a 9.2 fresh install (after I installed aumix) and 9.2's default kernel (2.4.22-10). - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/u59LaKr9sJYeTxgRAk5PAJ4vqFptldt1H4/pdBmIdQdjNAWkmACghl4S WBwa3XsE/P/sWGx4b3HZsWY= =ekpI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I think it's safe to say the 2.4.22 kernel series is screwed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heh. APIC is enabled in bios because if I disable it, Mandrake 9.2, no matter what kernel I use, will not bootup. Instead, I get a blank black screen and that's all she wrote. I have tried APIC 1.1 and 1.4 versions or tables (the two options open to me in bios if I enable APIC). Regardless of this, no sound. As soon as I disable it, no bootup even if I use the noapic kernel parameter. If I leave APIC enabled in bios (remember, I HAVE to do this to bootup a mandrake 2.4.22 series kernel) but use the noapic switch. No change - still no sound. I have also tried the possible combinations of noapic and apci=off or the default 9.2 apci=ht. Doesn't matter, no sound and if APIC is disabled in bios, no bootup. This is an MSI KT333 Ultra mobo with Athlon XP2700+, VIA 8233 sound. praedor On Wednesday 19 November 2003 12:15 pm, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2003 05:41 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:54 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: At least with regards to sound. I must now give up on any 9.2 stock kernels. I have now failed to get my fully functional sound system to work in 9.2 using: default kernel 2.4.22-10mdk, 2.4.22-21mdk, 2.4.22 multimedia kernel, the 9.2 2.4.22 tmb kernel. Not a one of them will operate my VIA 8233 sound device while 9.1 and the 2.4.21 kernel series had no problems. [...] Just for the record, are you having any trouble with APIC? Is it disabled in your BIOS setting? What's the boot params line in lilo.conf. Thanks - given the severity of the report, all the information is good to know. - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/u6fDaKr9sJYeTxgRAsueAJ0UWmjoQBBlSxdAB8/DRAiVXwB5dgCeK1h3 8jorpi6/fuFTwyNTB6xHqsw= =pE6k -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I think it's safe to say the 2.4.22 kernel series is screwed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll send the information you request later today. Unfortunately I am at work and thus not able to access my desktop system. Not the same thing but on a related note, I did run through the troubleshooting process outlined by harddrake (ie, lspci -v, etc) and nothing untoward appeared. Perhaps you will see something more subtle when I can present it. As for bios version...I do not recall when I updated the bios last. I'll check that as well. Thanks, praedor On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:20 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your sound system is virtually identical to mine. I have also installed [...] are you using the latest bios? would you mind sending me the output of the following: # lspcidrake -v # cat /var/log/dmesg # dmidecode - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/u8U4aKr9sJYeTxgRAtIaAKCEjvTsV/POahcDq/bLq6S3cUOx8gCgmpNJ YGAQqbwu3a4IUEF2vAAHF+k= =hTcL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I think it's safe to say the 2.4.22 kernel series is screwed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the interest of avoiding hard lockups and troubleshooting THAT (see the lm_sensors thread) when all I want to do is troubleshoot my sound problems, which lm_sensor module(s) should I load in order to use dmidecode? I would like to restrict the modules to the minimum needed to get the information you request. praedor On Wednesday 19 November 2003 02:20 pm, Thomas Backlund wrote: [...] would you mind sending me the output of the following: # lspcidrake -v # cat /var/log/dmesg # dmidecode (to get the dmidecode program, youhave to install lm_sensors package, but you may remove it after if you want...) - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/u9+HaKr9sJYeTxgRAv7zAJjCnGLhg0qftcFbK94/cHhe1A3OAJ9W4piq rZ19ej/txu/May0Mj4/2cQ== =I2Z4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SOUND! Where is it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Unfortunately the mute/unmute trick with aumix didn't work for me. All I get is very faint static over the speakers whenever I manipulate the volume sliders (pretty much any of them). If I crank up my speaker volume to max and try to test sound/arts via control center, I don't even hear faint sounds. Playing music cds works fine, however. I also tried killing artsd and trying to get sound working through esound. Nope. The system is broken before any sound daemons, in the drivers somewhere. My next trick, since I cannot build a 9.1 kernel on 9.2 is to simply try installing a binary 9.1 kernel on my desktop and see if I can get away with that. No 9.2 kernel I've tried, binary or self-built, works with sound on my system. praedor On Tuesday 18 November 2003 04:29 am, Michael Adams wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:37:43 -0800 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is maddening. It is enough, literally, to drive me to uninstall MDK 9.2 and go SuSE 9.0. I have no sound in 9.2 on my desktop. Has anyone run into this and found a fix? I tried installing the 9.1 kernel-src-2.4.21-0.13mdk rpm but it will not build on 9.2. [...] Anyway, get something soundy running, then in aumix, goto mute--mute all, then toggle it again. Mine works when mute all is selected. Obviously, the toggle checkmark is backwards... [...] Thanks Eric, did it for me. Hope it did it for Praedor too. BTW what is Pcm as this needs to be up as well for Xmms. - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uj7PaKr9sJYeTxgRAto8AKC6mAgM4yfZ8Nb7XB7M2F4xjjbKfgCbB/Oj roQ0lcFthArbg2ahWzaG5vU= =DD7S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SOUND! Where is it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks. Actually, I DO suspect apic/apci (I can never keep the two straight). If I disable APIC in the kernel, then 9.2 will not bootup. It freezes shortly after starting the bootup process. This was true during install as well. I had to turn on APIC to get bootup and install. I have tried the noapic switch when booting kernels but it doesn't change anything (still no sound). I have acpi=ht in my kernel options line in lilo (default setup from install). I have tried acpi=off but this doesn't change anything either (still no sound). Somewhere there is a problem in the kernel or the alsa drivers, or perhaps both. It is suspicious that it is impossible to boot a kernel if APIC is disabled (all previous installs of Mandrake up to 9.1 required that I disable APIC in bios to get a fully functional and stable system). SuSE 9.0 uses a modified 2.4.21 kernel (modified with many 2.6.x additions) and it works fine, sound included. I suspect the 2.4.22 kernel series itself. praedor On Tuesday 18 November 2003 05:09 am, Tim Sawchuck wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:46:15 -0500 Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Unfortunately the mute/unmute trick with aumix didn't work for me. All I get is very faint static over the speakers whenever I manipulate the [...] --- I'm having the same problem (freezing during boot when ACPI is enabled) on a Toshiba Satellite 5105 installing from the PowerPack 9.2 DVD. Unfortunatly, the nolapic option didn't work for me. I'm relatively new to kernel options, so I may be applying incorrectly. I added nolapic to my append list in lilo.conf and then ran lilo, but it still freezes. Are there any other options to get this working? I think it's also causing other things to go wrong with my machine, like the sound not working. My sound didn't work with 9.1 until I enabled ACPI, then like magic, it was fine. - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/umZkaKr9sJYeTxgRAg8BAKCCT1IhPdu/i2DPOZnUkL+qc8VkOwCfd3tb 5zqAPUMyDRqHsgx4gWlfQ2k= =/H99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Exporting/transfering kmail filters?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can any one tell me what file would contain kmail filters? I would like to copy all my laptop settings for kmail over to my desktop and avoid manually entering all filters again. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uNIjaKr9sJYeTxgRAtLoAJ0bXSRSK3WVJe06K8C1yHjRcB5iWwCgnyJt kgj2f4eKGfhIz3AEUMJOtQc= =llEu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Gnome and a dialer app?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't generally use gnome (and haven't tried it for at least 6 months or more). Last evening, in trying to locate where the problem resided with regards to my desktop and sound (or lack thereof) I started up Gnome 2.4 for the first time. Pretty nice actually. I was pleasantly suprised. What I didn't find, however, was a dialer app like kppp. I would swear that I installed all the gnome stuff when I installed 9.2 but perhaps I missed something? Is there not a dedicated gnome dialer? What's its name? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uQphaKr9sJYeTxgRAkdZAJ4n1Bc8vNLugfnt/If37abQ+Ye3swCfWfIF tCzIb0mjlNh+2bgDewBXGtA= =S0h3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This brings me to the maddening thing about linux over the last year or two. There used to be two files (as I recall) within which PATH was set: /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile. Now neither file contains much of anything related to setting path. I have no idea where the bulk of PATH is set now. I have looked through /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, /etc/bashrc, /etc/rc.local, /etc/rc.sysinit. I would also like to fix this (checked my 9.2 box and it does have the :: in my path). Where is path really set? It is NOT /etc/profile (look at it, there is hardly any path info in it at all) nor ~/.bash_profile. praedor On Monday 17 November 2003 03:18 pm, Jack Coates wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 11:59, Eric Huff wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin/:/home/jack/bin/:/usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/:/sbi n/:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/sbin/:/usr//bin:/bin:/usr/bin::/usr/loca l/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/java/j2re1.4.0_01//bin that looks okay... but . is effectively in my path!! I discovered this by doing a tab completion line that matched a script in my ~. This is with msec level 3 [...] this .bash_profile is the same on five machines, and the others don't have the doubled slashes or the . problem. the problem box did not have bash-completion in the RPM list, so I just added bash-completion-20030821-3mdk.noarch.rpm and checked that bash is at 2.05b-14mdk on several boxes. The double-slashes are now gone, but it still includes . in the path. [...] - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uTq9aKr9sJYeTxgRAvvBAJ4g8v017m8Mmgo0w4L39a+fAYiOUgCffZYr LFB+AFW6cFpidiYo/HNfGUc= =+WLF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question...only in user path
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It appears that the :: (effectively .) in $PATH is restricted to user. Root's path on 9.2 is OK in this regard. praedorhh -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uTvCaKr9sJYeTxgRAleuAJ99ZyFG5lY8hEeSyuy474Ibuw68ZQCgjuqJ SPuvW6nRi53oCQECZxG1pYA= =CtSR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think I can safely say that this is not set in any file in /etc/*. Since it isn't there (:: in path) for root, but only for user, I suspect it is somewhere in $HOME (?). praedor On Monday 17 November 2003 04:09 pm, Eric Huff wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:18:28 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem box did not have bash-completion in the RPM list, so I just added bash-completion-20030821-3mdk.noarch.rpm and checked that bash is at 2.05b-14mdk on several boxes. The double-slashes are now gone, but it still includes . in the path. It doesn't happen here on 9.1. ~/a/_backup $ bash --version GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ~/a/_backup $ rpm -q bash bash-2.05b-12mdk eric - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uUDhaKr9sJYeTxgRAp/9AJ9pbgud5AJ/u5E+u+0hhLC4NFOZoACfRp6V jq6oFYQ5ZAYpv6m/+FVo/zY= =pvXa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should indicate that I scanned every file in /etc that contained any path statements via grep. Nothing untoward appeared. On Monday 17 November 2003 04:42 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I think I can safely say that this is not set in any file in /etc/*. Since it isn't there (:: in path) for root, but only for user, I suspect it is somewhere in $HOME (?). - -- Events are in the saddle and ride mankind. - --Ralph Waldo Emerson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uUSeaKr9sJYeTxgRAoxZAKC65ffNWxTprDDi8zUiCYQefPNytACfWd0E e+z/k0pQf58VseFehGyrshQ= =LoJM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] testing pgp sig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 testing. nothing to see here -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uVW43Fc5zsI6lBMRAv19AKCf9HKhT8+wyT5213aejVhaLZdq7ACgqlCA W4fmd65aAp9hHMpxF0raWhg= =qiqn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That was it. Thank you. /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc contains: SystemPath=/usr//bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin::/usr/local/bin UserPath=/usr//bin:/bin:/usr/bin::/usr/local/bin Both the system path and user path have the ::. I guess if I logged in as root, started up kde, then it would be in root's path. praedor On Monday 17 November 2003 05:13 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:58:54 -0500, Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] WTF?? $PATH question: I should indicate that I scanned every file in /etc that contained any path statements via grep. Nothing untoward appeared. On Monday 17 November 2003 04:42 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I think I can safely say that this is not set in any file in /etc/*. Since it isn't there (:: in path) for root, but only for user, I suspect it is somewhere in $HOME (?). As Bill Mullen already indicated, it can be in your display manager rc file. Locate kdmrc or whichever you load your $DISPLAY with. IIRC there was a double colon and/or double slash in kdmrc in 9.1 too. [...] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uVZV3Fc5zsI6lBMRAqREAJ4voZLSzHgC6xH73gq2Vm1Nc37hMQCcDAYP SmzxYWRJiCsqYEYoWt6wNc4= =RuaS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] SOUND! Where is it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is maddening. It is enough, literally, to drive me to uninstall MDK 9.2 and go SuSE 9.0. I have no sound in 9.2 on my desktop. I have an MSI KT333 mobo with via 8233 onboard sound. It worked fine in 9.0 and 9.1, kernels up to 2.4.21-0.13mdk. With a temporary install of SuSE 9.0 (kernel-2.4.21) it worked fine too. Mandrake 9.2, however, no worky. There is something wrong with the mandrake and/or 2.4.22 kernel sound system. The hardware is perfectly OK. No matter what I try, I cannot get sound working. The mixer settings are OK, the driver loads OK, and there are no error messages related to sound anywhere on the system. The system thinks all is OK but there simply is no sound. Has anyone run into this and found a fix? I tried installing the 9.1 kernel-src-2.4.21-0.13mdk rpm but it will not build on 9.2. Errors all over the place. On 9.2 I started with the default 2.4.22-10mdk kernel, then built and tried 2.4.22-21mdk. No go. No sound. I have now built the 2.4.22-multimedia kernel and...no multimedia! No sound. Same problem. There is something borked in the 2.4.22 kernel series with regards to sound. Could I get away with deleting the 2.4.22 kernel sound directory and replacing it lock, stock, and barrel with the kernel-source-2.4.21-0.13mdk sound directory? I want sound. No sound, no mandrake. Anyone have a fix? praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uYEq3Fc5zsI6lBMRAlGjAJ9mPNWjwou9BV9e8PtehEWSBwvxEQCgmsyV vpXkxSdn2xBe7m/ySyV9wvA= =vFTE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SOUND! Where is it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the info but no joy. Sound is broken, plain and simple...so is draksound, apparently. If I fire up draksound and select another driver and go with the oss driver, it doesn't properly update modules.conf. It only partially updates it, leaving most of it setup for alsa. In any case, I totally remove the alsa crap from modules.conf and went oss. No sound. There is nothing wrong with the hardware. It is fine and it works. It works in windoze, it works in 9.1 and 9.0. It is 9.2 that is borked. I'll take a look at your bug link but it is looking like I will have to abandon 9.2 on my desktop and go to SuSE. Without working sound, I am not interested in a distro and it is not acceptable to me to have paid $80 and have to drop the new distro to go back to the previous working version (which is the only other option I can see at this point other than going to SuSE which I KNOW works with sound). Anyone else have suggestions? Oh yes, trying to play with aumix and mute does nothing. I get little faint electronic chirps from my speakers when manipulating volume controls, etc, but that's it. This is true for alsa and oss drivers. On Monday 17 November 2003 09:35 pm, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:16:58 -0500 Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a fix? If you have a choice (OSS/ALSA), try them. I was feeling the same way (see bug at http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/query.php?bug=57 ). Have you tried rmmod sound and modprobe sound...? ll /dev/sound would also be useful I noticed that any of dsp, mixer, sequencer were missing at times... I've sometimes used kill artsd to get sound too... IMO, sound is in a really bad state -- I'm still running 9.2rc2; but will install 9.2 tomorrow, so the fun will probably start all over... :P -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uZh+3Fc5zsI6lBMRApcxAKCjxzz4M6UIDg6YMSvfSkyQ6wPLxgCggy1Y b1Y8raT3RI007TaA8pDvoQA= =2syH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SOUND! Where is it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, I did check the wires. Last resort hope for a fix. Everything is fine. It is especially irritating that there isn't an error message anywhere on the system to be found. As far as the system is concerned, sound is OK. I have one more thing to try before I give it up for the night. I am still hoping to keep mandrake on this system. It's all setup and the SuSE install and setup system is different enough to make it difficult to deal with. praedor On Monday 17 November 2003 11:15 pm, Dick Gevers wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:56:35 -0500, Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [expert] SOUND! Where is it?: Anyone else have suggestions? Oh yes, trying to play with aumix and mute does nothing. I get little faint electronic chirps from my speakers when manipulating volume controls, etc, but that's it. This is true for alsa and oss drivers. You have a registration number which you can use in case of last resort to get the help if you can`t get it here at www.mandrakeexpert.com. Good luck. (Stupid question, forgimme... did you check all the cabling? It didn`t by accident get loose anywhere?). Best regards, =Dick Gevers= -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/uZ+b3Fc5zsI6lBMRAnwlAKDAhbMK7/7L+vhgwCTZ4st6VK1DNgCeNr/m +RIfMKYfnD3SPT+8tA5ZLnE= =bqPw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sound woes with 9.2
I somehow got sound working on my laptop after problems immediately after installation of 9.2 on it. Not sure what I did but it stuck. In any case, I installed 9.2 on my desktop (Athlon XP 2700+, KT333 mobo) which has a VIA 8233A onboard soundsystem. It worked fine in 9.0 and 9.1. It doesn't work at all in 9.2. I have tried using ALSA and OSS (KDE arts sound setup changes as well) with no results. My mixer settings are correct but at no time have I ever gotten sound to work. This is true of the default 2.4.22-10mdk kernel and the 2.4.22-21mdk kernel I built last night in hopes I could get sound working. Anyone have any ideas? I looked at Twiki and saw nothing of use in this case. praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] test - ignore
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[expert] Trying to fix a few things after installing 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have not seen this message before (Cannot open bayes_path...) and have no idea what it means. As far as I can tell my setup is OK. syslog excerpt: Nov 13 08:53:45 lapdog spamd[3101]: Cannot open bayes_path /home/praedor/.spamassassin/bayes R/O: Nov 13 08:53:45 lapdog spamd[3101]: processing message [EMAIL PROTECTED] for praedor:501. Nov 13 08:53:46 lapdog spamd[3101]: clean message (-99.2/5.0) for praedor:501 in 1.0 seconds, 1202 bytes. I installed MDK 9.2 over my 9.1 install two days ago. I left /home untouched, including my .spamassassin dir and its contents. I am now running the very same version of spamassassin as I was before the upgrade so there can be no change there. What does this mean? I also don't see any indications that procmail is doing anything. I usually would see some sort of indication in my logs that procmail was dealing with each message as it came in. Now there is no indication at all that procmail is working. I have the same .procmailrc that worked with 9.1 as I have now. Where do I look to ensure procmail is used? Isn't it in postfix's main.cf? - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s5QkaKr9sJYeTxgRAkObAKC3WfdOEQ3UzZOUPXkrUr0UnADfqwCdGBxS RUZkkRyknsdIzarOs2wR+L0= =y0Db -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sound issues with 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had a fun evening last. I received SuSE 9.0 yesterday (9.2 came two days ago). I installed 9.2 on my laptop and have it essentially running fine now but no sound. I can get sound working for a single session but that's it. This is on an IBM Thinkpad with an esssolo1 sound device. It worked fine in 9.1 (and 9.1, and previous). The problem I am having is coincident and isolated to 9.2, both the default 2.4.22-10mdk kernel and the 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdkcustom (which I built yesterday). My card is properly identified and the correct module is loaded. My mixer settings are correct, not zeroed out. All I get is white noise (if my volume is set high enough) from the speakers. There are no error messages that I can find associated with sound and the kde soundserver setup in the Control Center doesn' t produce any useful information. The ONLY way I have found to get sound working (in any current session) is to killall artsd, login as superuser and run alsaconf. After that, I restart artsd (as user) and viola, sound works fine. If I then make any changes in the control center (like set it to autodetect instead of alsa, or vice versa) and restart the soundserver, sound is lost again. If I have sound working and then logout and login again, sound is lost. I have updated kde, have a new kernel, have run MandrakeUpdate and installed all the fixes. No good. No sound. Any ideas on getting this fixed once and for all? Anyone else run into this situation? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s5j1aKr9sJYeTxgRAiw2AJ9/o1aCbLSKVBThqAaLflXurzNGKwCfZ70P Yf6Iiw1Yqi0LWcTZfYQg94M= =y7q6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Interesting problems installing 9.2 on desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 First, a little info about a SuSE install: Last evening I tried installing SuSE 9.0 (just arrived) on my Athlon XP desktop over MDK 9.1. Interesting. Not as simple as the Mandrake install but I managed to get it on and running after three or four abortive attempts: I could not get grub or lilo to install into my HDD's MBR. Near random (and desperate) tweaking finally got it to go. SuSE 9.0 is...OK, though it didn't install most of the packages I manually selected (I selected almost everything). It has a system somewhat similar to Mandrake's for those who elect to manually select packages. The prosuite comes with 5 CDs plus two additional CDs with special SuSE toys on them. In any case, it installed the contents of only the first CD. I wasn't overly impressed (I may give it a shot again later) so I decided to give 9.2 an install. It went onto my laptop without problems but I had a hell of a time getting it to install onto my desktop. 9.1 and 9.0 installed on this same setup without problems. 9.2 almost forced me to either go back to 9.1 or go ahead and stick with SuSE. First off, 9.2 refused to even start to install. It took me quite a while to get it to work. I would bootup the install CD and it would seem to be starting out OK, with the initial progress bar climbing up to about 98% but then it would stop, the screen would go blank without any message whatsoever, and it would sit there for as long as I desired to let it. After a LOT of hair pulling and trying various install options (vgalo, text only, appending a noapic option to the install kernel, checking bios to make sure something wasn't amiss), I finally found that the problem lay with the 2.4.22-10mdkboot kernel on the CD. I could get the install to work ONLY when I selected the 2.2.19 kernel. This limited my install options later but it got me into the installer. I installed everything I could and all seemed OK. It then came time to reboot for the first time. Reboot and...blank screen, just like during initial attempts at installing. Trying to do a failsafe bootup produced a message onscreen after initial boot but I don't recall the exact text (I left the transcript at home on a notepad) but it APPEARED to be associated with APIC. I had APIC disabled in bios and even with a noapic kernel option, I would get this message concerning some APIC-associated (apparently) item (involving ESR whatever that is). What finally did the trick (very oddly in my opinion) was going into bios and enabling APIC. After doing this I could bootup just fine. I now think that perhaps I would be able to do a normal install if, and only if, I enabled APIC in bios first, regardless of sending a noapic switch upon bootup. The biggest problem, and it is unacceptable, is that I could not get 9.2 to format my partitions as ReiserFS. 9.0 and 9.1 could. SuSE 9.0 could. 9.2 would error out almost immediately as soon as it tried to format any partition as ReiserFS. I got stuck with ext3 (yech!). Because I am not happy with my partition scheme and a few other problems - like not setting my /var partition large enough - I will be reinstalling 9.2 once again on this system. It looks like I will need to first start installing 9.1 or SuSE again so I can get my HDD partitions formatted as ReiserFS and then terminate the install and then start an install with the 9.2 CDs and elect NOT to format any partitions. Has anyone else run into a similar problem with 9.2 and ReiserFS? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s523aKr9sJYeTxgRAggpAJ9FEpL2kjS57CxX+JkQZLWntO6AcACeLVWz CCPAwaXm7UmqFbF/zBSzf1U= =h1wG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] More than just sound problems with 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Since I am getting no error messages in syslog nor from artsmessage, I took a look at .xsession-errors after a fresh login. This is what is in it: I don't know what it means by Mixer not found. I can start kmix just fine and it appears perfectly OK. I can open up alsamixer as well and it is OK. If I do an lsmod I see the sound driver is properly loaded. Then there is the issue regarding konsole_grantpty. Huh? NEVER seen this before anywhere. Anyone know what the deal is here? Excerpt from .xsession-errors: Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) \x08 Major opcode: * ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 konsole: cannot chown /dev/pts/0. Reason: Operation not permitted konsole_grantpty: determined a strange device name `/dev/ptmx'. konsole: chownpty failed for device /dev/pts/0::/dev/pts/0. : This means the session can be eavesdroped. : Make sure konsole_grantpty is installed in : /usr/bin/ and setuid root. Here is the sound portion from lsmod: snd-seq-midi5088 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-opl3-synth 12680 0 (autoclean) (unused) snd-seq-instr 7204 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-seq-midi-emul 6940 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-ainstr-fm 2944 0 (autoclean) [snd-opl3-synth] snd-seq-oss32000 0 (unused) snd-seq-midi-event 6080 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-seq-oss] snd-seq42576 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-instr snd-seq-midi-emul snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event] snd-pcm-oss43652 1 snd-mixer-oss 14232 0 [snd-pcm-oss] snd-es1938 14404 3 snd-opl3-lib8004 0 [snd-opl3-synth snd-es1938] snd-hwdep 6304 0 [snd-opl3-lib] snd-pcm79588 0 [snd-pcm-oss snd-es1938] snd-timer 18436 0 [snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-pcm] gameport3284 0 [snd-es1938] snd-mpu401-uart 4704 0 [snd-es1938] snd-rawmidi17760 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-mpu401-uart] snd-seq-device 5832 0 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-oss snd-seq snd-opl3-lib snd-rawmidi] snd-page-alloc 9044 0 [snd-es1938 snd-pcm] snd41444 2 [snd-seq-midi snd-opl3-synth snd-seq-instr snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-es1938 snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device] soundcore 6340 0 [snd] By the way, now running alsaconf doesn't give me even temporary sound. I get no sound at all. I am going to dump the tmb kernel and try another (perhaps go back to the 2.4.21-13 kernel from 9.0. Anyone? - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s7nMaKr9sJYeTxgRApnlAJ93MYM1FN9IfleJqz34OUJrY5WsygCeNyjg Ayb0UNOSxcoNLJQPX8AmT2s= =jZBJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Lyx-qt and Mandrake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of a recent rpm of Lyx-qt available for Mandrake? praedorh - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/s++HaKr9sJYeTxgRApr8AJ9hfuBpGkNtnN3AQ8P5Q6S2wrG0BQCgjbOi aiCiKsgUzLLgg2JraE+Q8Lk= =FVcl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sound and fonts in 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I received my powerpak CDs yesterday and installed 9.2 last evening. Problems. I naturally ran into the disappearing icon problem but quickly fixed that by installing a previously downloaded kdeartwork-gorilla rpm which produced MOST icons so that things looked reasonable and were easier to navigate. I fixed this fully by installing the updates. Problems that remain: sound. In 9.1 sound was perfect. I have an oldish IBM Thinkpad 1412 with an essolo1 sound device in it. In 9.2 it detected it just fine but sound doesn't work without unacceptable gymnastics every time I start up. What I get by default is white noise static coming from my speakers (mixer settings were correct, not zeroed out). Nothing I do will bring sound. I even tried the alternative driver (esssolo1 instead of snd-es1968 or whatever it was). No good. What finally worked was to login as root, killall artsd, run alsaconf, and then restart artsd. After this, sound works...but only for the current session. If I restart the computer I lose sound again. This is obviously unacceptable. I have seen other posts wrt sound problems and wondered if a true fix has been discovered? There also appears to be a bit of a font bug wrt kmail. First time I started kmail up after the install (over 9.1, leaving my home dir and all its conf files intact) I found the default font used to be Beast Wars. When I opened up the configure pages to change the fonts, the highlighted/selected font was correct: luxi sans. Nevertheless, what was showing was Beast Wars. The only way to get luxi sans up and working was to highlight any other font for a moment and then go back to luxi sans. Do an apply and fonts were correct. Beast Wars? EVERYONE knows Beast Wars aren't ever used by anybody for anything. It's a junk font. I mean, c'mon! In any case, has anyone else run into this? Final question. I will likely need to rebuild my kernel to get grsecurity activated AND to build a patched orinoco wlan driver (to allow for monitor mode). Does the most recent tmb kernels include proper, already patched orinoco drivers? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sjvZaKr9sJYeTxgRAq6AAJ0dWVf77SQHQ4duDTQpf01PwrzPRgCfXh1U q734Apm1SwUX7U9oOGk5xxk= =lPpQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK9.2 package arrived - Qs and comments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Other than reading through the Mandrake website for known bugs, doing a google search, a search of Twiki, and running MandrakeUpdate periodically, I am not sure what else you could do to keep up with bugs and fixes. I just received my 9.2 propack yesterday. Installed fine, screwed up KDE icons (though not menus). I installed it and used my 9.1 partitions without change, just formatting /usr and /. Fixing the KDE icon (and menu?) problem is a matter of doing an update immediately. You can also run update-menus - -v and try to recover/gain proper menus. On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:44 am, stefmit wrote: [...] I pre-ordered and just got the 9.2 package, and I already have some questions: 1. I have been reading on this list and its archives about tons of problems with the new release. I have already run into one that some others may have experienced (doing an online update screwed up afterwards all the menus I had in KDE). [...] 3. I used to use easy urpmi's web site to build additional sources for packages (eventually replacing even the need for CDs). I have tried a couple of 9.2 ones, from the same http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php I have been using for 9.1, but almost all the variations I have tried had failed one way or another (in the middle of updates, or not being able to contact sites at all, etc.). I am still successful in using the 9.1 ones I have only added a couple sites via easy urpmi (plf and contrib in replacment of cdrom 7 at this point). No problems for me. Try a few different mirrors/sources before giving up on it. Perhaps I just got lucky in my choices of these sources. [Q] Does anybody know if the 9.2 is still too crude to count on the easy urpmi repositories of source sites? Are those still unstable for this new release? [Overall-Qs] Does this whole 9.2 look really embarrassingly unprofessionally released to any of you? I have tried Suse/Novell 9.0, while awaiting for my 9.2 MDK package, and I was quite impressed with it [...] I do think that 9.2 is somewhat of an embarrassment. A new user installing it for the first time is not likely going to get a favorable impression based on the many initial problems. I have yet to fix my sound problems except for the short term, on a login-by-login basis. I too have ordered Suse 9.0 and will install it on my desktop. I have MDK 9.2 on my laptop. I haven't tried Suse for a few years so I am expecting both problems and pleasant suprises. I thought I'd give it a shot before Novell can have a chance to ruin a good thing with Commercial/Enterprise-over-focused nonsense. If not for the problems with 9.2 I wouldn't even have considered Suse. I'll let them play out on their respective systems and let performance, ease-of-configuration/administration, and bug numbers determine my future focus. If I can get sound working properly in 9.2, I THINK that will cover the last of my known problems. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/smShaKr9sJYeTxgRAv3XAJ93EzL1o8LD7s5IaS4mr4Ne9vh5WACfUi09 qttOSS0KJYWPws0S9qKPAEs= =FUbf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK9.2 package arrived - Qs and comments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's a relative minor (minor because I am experienced with linux for the most part and know to try a few things before assuming totally broken) quality item: I received the pro pak. 7 CDs. Installing, I get to a point where it asks for me to insert the Contrib CD (cdrom7). Now then, there are no numbers on the CDs to indicate which CD is which (1 and 2 are REASONABLY obvious as they are Installation 1 and 2) and, worse, there is NO CD named Contribs. There IS a CD named Supplementary Apps but no Contribs. Suggestion: in the future, make sure the installation procedure uses names that actually match the names on the CDs. Either change Supplementary Apps to Contrib or (better AND) place numbers on the CDs. I made a guess that Contribs likely meant Supplementary Apps as the other CDs were named Commercial Apps, Sources 1, and Sources 2. I half feared I would get an error message indicating that I was missing a CD (that Supplementary Apps wasn't equivalent to Contribs or cdrom7) and would thus lose some unknown amount of software functionality. Other than that, the installation was flawless, though I would prefer a more direct means of setting my hostname. I don't want to have to configure my network connection, etc, etc, to simply name my host. In the past, following this path has put me down the ugly path of the network wizard which simply screwed up my connections. Fortunately, one doesn't get stuck in the wizard upon selecting OK or Apply when setting the hostname (or zeroconf name). praedor On Wednesday 12 November 2003 11:50 am, Jack Coates wrote: [...] [Overall-Qs] Does this whole 9.2 look really embarrassingly unprofessionally released to any of you? I have tried Suse/Novell 9.0, while awaiting for my 9.2 MDK package, and I was quite impressed with it ... and the only reason of not switching over being their lack of an urpmi-like tool (apt was not enough for what I was trying to do). Are we seeing here a Merecedes vs. Renault difference developing (I used to use both types of cars heavily, while in Europe, and I have this strange feeling about distributions now, the same way) ;)? okay, that's bordering on troll :-) [...] - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/smhjaKr9sJYeTxgRAvr2AKCOKZWWr9uL2dpsRAPPRlicLCpSQgCfZX0O wgkfJGZP47Ttnh+VvF2i8HY= =6YWZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] chkrootkit and mailing results to root
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As I was sitting here staring at tail -f /var/log/syslog I saw my chkrootkit anacronjob fly by. At the end of the check, I noticed an email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] An outtake from my syslog post chkrootkit: Nov 11 16:11:57 lapdog : nothing deleted Nov 11 16:11:57 lapdog postfix/pickup[1765]: C2E4E6F0B: uid=0 from=root Nov 11 16:11:57 lapdog postfix/cleanup[9784]: C2E4E6F0B: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nov 11 16:11:57 lapdog postfix/nqmgr[1766]: C2E4E6F0B: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=119979, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 11 16:12:08 lapdog postfix/smtp[9788]: C2E4E6F0B: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=root, relay=mx1.mail.yahoo.com[64.157.4.78], delay=11, status=sent (250 ok Tue Nov 11 13:12:08 2003: ql 0, qr 12748104) Nov 11 16:12:11 lapdog anacron[1891]: Job `cron.daily' terminated (mailing output) Nov 11 16:12:11 lapdog postfix/pickup[1765]: 812B86F07: uid=0 from=root Nov 11 16:12:11 lapdog postfix/cleanup[9784]: 812B86F07: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nov 11 16:12:11 lapdog anacron[1891]: Normal exit (1 jobs run) Nov 11 16:12:11 lapdog postfix/nqmgr[1766]: 812B86F07: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=576, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 11 16:12:17 lapdog postfix/smtp[9788]: 812B86F07: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=root, relay=mx2.mail.yahoo.com[64.157.4.78], delay=6, status=sent (250 ok Tue Nov 11 13:12:16 2003: ql 0, qr 9269918) Sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will fail and go to nobody. What is actually sending this message and where do I find the config file so I can correct it to send messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it postfix itself? In order to avoid having the mandrake list bounce all my mails back at me, I had to setup my local postfix to set myorigin = yahoo.com. If I set it to be my actual localdomain (ravenhome.net) I will lose the ability to post to the expert list. Is this [EMAIL PROTECTED] originating from postfix via this myorigin setting? praedor praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sVNWaKr9sJYeTxgRAsbcAJ9y7jRIOLuT55Cgd7NyGQ4nHGD2cACeOF9u IUf61oQzXmo7ci928Zogh7M= =QcMj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] test - ignore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 test - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sVOdaKr9sJYeTxgRAnB4AJ4m920gHKQ3PAcsY3dXeN0KpSwCeACbBPeH pxGtifHR7IxxFb82yQy3jfU= =iuwb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] test 2 -ignore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 test - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sVYMaKr9sJYeTxgRAqVOAJwMLrorlH/bIZ+efwIuxDtGb5iFLACgh5kZ 0MXgvartylpxGQ8Uv5r058w= =oh9a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: Publishing text - OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 November 2003 04:33 am, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:56:53PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I don't know what this means. I write a paragraph in OO, in Lyx, and in Abiword. Same paragraph. I then print it. It looks identical [...] printer). This is HELL when you are trying to add graphics the page after the first reference in the text. [...] I always added my graphics inline after the first reference by simply adding the corresponding include (that's not the reight word, but you know what I mean) after the first time I referred to it. And then it got placed after the first reference without me having to know anything about page breaks. I've hardly ever had to add page breaks manually in What are you referring to here? I have tried inline graphics either with or without text flowing around the graphic. This can be nifty, given a good graphic and proper page placement, but as to automatic placement of a graphic on the next page all by itself with its legend (the rules according to university x)? There is an obscure method in lyx that will automagically create a graphic/figure page on the next full page immediately following its first referent in the text (ie, via some special character/insert command/latex command)? [0] There IS NO WYSIWYG FOR HTML! Pity too many people pretend it exists - with their pages looking accordingly bad... And yet, there is no real reason that this must be the case. A browser is a browser is a browser, provided it understands proper HTML. There is no magic reason a WYSIWYG HTML editor cannot be done. It just hasn't yet been done right. There is nothing magic about manually entering a tag by hand and via a nice GUI app/button. Nothing. The tag is a tag is a tag. Perhaps the problem has been people who create a webpage to fit within the immediate bounds of their current running editing app, thinking that this represents a universal view? I don't know. Starting and stopping paragraphs (P/P), headings (H/H), etc, are not magically better if done by hand via text editor vs in GUI app. So long as a paragraph remains a paragraph no matter what size a browser window is set at, so long as headings remain headings, italics remain italics, etc, I don't see where there could possibly be a problem. Perhaps the problems comes from people using froo-froo crap styles unnecessarily, things that are barely standard? Things that should never have been added in the first place? - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. h--Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r9NuaKr9sJYeTxgRAkDqAJ9jSqDii93H+wCBQ3ZnhXhSeCEXLQCghhpx RuGUeW1PTht8FepoyTr37TA= =/F/i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Frickin spam and spamassassin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this really irritates me. I have the latest spamassassin. It is running in daemon mode. I have procmail setup to /dev/null anything that is identified as spam. I have trained the Bayesian filter (supposedly) to identify certain messages as spam...BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THROUGH! These are tricky html or other type of spam, they are plain text. Generally they are viagra messages. The one that really galls me is one that uses the name [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the actual proper spelling. Nonetheless, this shouldn't matter...or so one would think. I have now run sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur twice on this message. It comes back saying it learned from the message. About 10 minutes later that damn message is back and spamassassin let it come right through. What the hell? I REALLY want to nuke the computer from which this comes. I was doing so well there with nary a spam for weeks getting through, then something inane and seemingly simple like this gets through inspite of teaching spamassassin to recognize it as crap. Since spamassassin appears to be falling down on the job, what would be a nice generic procmail recipe that would recognize EITHER iteration of viagra spelling (in the body or subject) and pass it, no pass go, to /dev/null? I never ever ever want to see another damn viagra message of any kind ever again. Thank you for any aid in this endeavor. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/r+aQaKr9sJYeTxgRAovJAKCiMudQ74dH+XHBd6iS1MQFxMAE4ACgj3CV 8Rsqd9AcxFtWyG6Iu6/Ejrc= =PDDb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. I use it exclusively but then I have been playing with linux for years now. I get it. My father, wife, sisters...they don't get it. They get boggled by configuration this and that, logins, etc. They are all too used to just firing up and going with what is familiar. Then, the biggy, is games. If you play games then you are set to go through even more work with only a fractional hope that the game will work (working with wine is not straightup simple and obvious). The newest games rarely work, or work only poorly. Not a great way to make a favorable impression. Lindows is set to give linux a poor name as well, with their default run-as-root setup. Sure, it makes it install and run similar to windoze but it also makes it just as vulnerable as windoze. This can only make people think (ultimately) that linux is no more free viruses, worms, and hack attacks as windoze. I do think that for those who really just do web browsing, document editing, emailing, then linux is perfectly valid. For those who game it just isn't there and wont be until linux gets more game titles itself or wine/winex gets much better and easier to work with. On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:58 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James Nah - you're not alone. I posted a message with a link to an announcement about this. The subject went something like Redhat = traitors?... grin - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rk4Yb1CLurEA6xURAmsnAJ9LgwGW6BvaUmOZeapdXBGE4SS/4gCcDgja efM+7BPnCsPpFFqMr7rREWE= =BHUM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I myself would not automatically say, Use linux instead! It's just as good as windoze with regards to desktop use. In many cases it IS as good, if not better, than doze. No viruses, more stable, etc, but it does come at a cost of increased complexity for the end user. They do need to know/understand more to successfully install and operate linux than they do with windoze. And gamers. Forget about it. I myself and happy to try to play games under winex but most of the time they do not work so if I want to play, I HAVE to reboot to doze. Could you honestly say that telling everyone to add even more complexity to their computer use and dual install linux on their windoze system and then go back and forth as a matter of course? I use linux 100% exclusive as my desktop system (except for most games). I am a militant anti-M$ guy though, so I learned linux. This isn't the case with most generic users. Then there are specialized desktop users. I am a scientist in biochemistry/molecular biology. I have taken the time to learn the ins and outs of linux use and am now able (thus far) to use it exclusively in my work. My colleagues are a different matter. They all use either windoze boxes or Macs. They absolutely REQUIRE a reference manager like EndNote. They use word or, rarely, wordperfect plus EndNote to produce their research papers for submission to journals. The closest thing in linux to an app that can do the same sort of thing is Lyx/LaTex and pybliographic or sixpack. I used Lyx + pybliograhic to write my dissertation and journal submissions. I took the not inconsiderable time to learn much of the intricacies of Lyx. My colleagues don't have time or patience for this. All this said, I really dislike using Lyx. It is painful and counterintuitive. I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). The problem is that OpenOffice on linux is not able to deal with references/citations. It does have a builtin bibliography setup but it is rudimentary and extremely limited. In fairness, there is a plan to improve on the bibliography system to make it more powerful and configurable but it isn't due to start hitting the released versions until 1.2 at the earliest. EndNote on windoze does support OpenOffice (as of EndNote 7.0, I think) so on WINDOZE, you can use OpenOffice and produce well-referenced documents with the same ease as you can with Word or Wordperfect with EndNote. In this area, linux just lacks and cannot work as a dropin replacement for most users. Most users are not going to want to learn Lyx. I can use OpenOffice for presentations and drawing, but I cannot use it for writing. For that I have to use Lyx. I cannot play most games on linux but can on windoze. Such annoyances, plus the complexity of having to administer linux is just beyond what most generic users really want. It is getting there, and Mandrake is leading the way, but it really isn't fair to say that linux CAN replace windoze for most users as their primary (at home) desktop system. It isn't even really viable yet in certain academic/scientific circles. praedor On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:20 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Am I alone in noticing the insanity. As if SCO wasn't bad enough. Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Now the CEO of RedHat (or as I've heard of late DeadRat) is advocating that Home users stick with Windows as Linux isn't ready for the desktop. Maybe I should send the SOB a copy of 9.2 when it's ready to show him what RH could have been if they didn't suffer from NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39117575,00.htm James - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rlhbb1CLurEA6xURArWHAJ983b8giPqcZtYF5e6G+6EUeDT2yACeP/p+ AlixjWOrFdqnGm7mR5XQeAw= =cOQo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Yes, I know lyx is not WYSIWYG and that it is advertised as the ridiculous WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean). In point of fact, it is the result of being stuck working with Latex via a GUI. It does a lot to remove the need of learning an entire programing language (LaTex) just to produce documents. That said, I merely lament the fact that I am forced to use Lyx, with all its difficulty, because there is nothing else like it in the linux world. There is NOTHING like Word/Wordperfect + EndNote in linux - Lyx contains it all in one package but you give up WYSIWYG and the ease that comes with that. I wrote my dissertation and other publications using Lyx. It works well but it is a royal pain in the ass to get it to do what you want. It truly is a weakness to not have any real idea about what your document will look like until you either actually print it, or repeatedly generate previews with each alteration/tweak. I am pleased that OpenOffice is working on this but it is still some time off. Until it is actually in the code, one is stuck with Lyx/Latex. Ugh. I am not proficient in Latex. I don't have the time nor the interest in learning a programming lanquage just to publish scientific results. I spend all day collecting data. I simply cannot (nor can my colleagues) spend the time needed to learn the intricacies of Latex. This is unrealistic. Word/Wordperfect/OpenOffice + EndNote removes the need for this on Windoze and the Mac. One day the equivalent functionality will be there for linux and future linux users. On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:42 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: I would LOVE to be able to do this in OpenOffice. I would LOVE for the document on the screen to appear as it does when I print it out (Lyx gives no indication of what the output will actually look like). LyX and LaTeX not WYSIWYG editors and actually make it a point in their documentation. Except for an occasional business letter using a template, I prefer to not have to worry about how the final page will look. [...] In this area, linux just lacks and cannot work as a dropin replacement for most users. Most users are not going to want to learn Lyx. Have you tried kile? It's still not a replacement for most people, but if you're reasonably proficient with LaTeX it can make editing easier. I've been playing around with it recently and it's similar in idea to something like quanta++. -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
Fine. Do they all have root password available so they can do updates, reconfigure, build and install? These are things that are essentially handfed to windoze users. You click on an install button and app X is installed. Done. On linux this requires root. Simple enough if you are used to this but it is just another layer of complexity if you are a doze user. Sure, this admin is everyone thing is one of the primary weaknesses of doze wrt viruses, worms, and hackers, but it is easier to work with. My father can install a CD in his doze computer and click Install without problem. There would be problems if I had to walk him through setting up a root password (and remember it!), then a user password (remember it!). OK dad, setup your wireless connection. On doze this is trivial. On linux it is a frickin pain in the ass (I do it, after a modicum of hair pulling but then I know what I'm doing). You download your tarball, untar it, read the readme and install files. HOPEFULLY you will simply need to do a ./configure make make install (as root) and the driver will be ready. Now you just have to either mess with ugly commands via iwpriv or ifconfig. Depends on your device. OK, now setup spam filtering. Hah! Joe Blow can't handle it. WE can because we have generally been doing this for some time AND we have the time and inclination to learn all of this. Add in procmail (and the need to setup postfix or similar. Whew! Complexity beyond anything people mess with in doze). Yes, linux is great and powerful. I love it. But I would never ever be able to get my father, mother, wife to deal with all this. And ya know, you just can't always be there to deal with other people's computers all the time. My father doesn't live next door, he lives next state over. Unless Joe/Jane Blow user has an expert somewhere, they are not equipped to deal with linux. It's just that simple. And again, how do you explain to them that they'll just have to give up the cool games if they go linux? They LOVE the games afterall. OK, just reboot to winders. Well, why not just STAY in winders so you don't have to deal with the rebooting all the time? I merely think that for MOST people at home, linux is not there yet. For people at work or at schools where there are admins to deal with all the complexity of configuring and handling software install, it is perfectly fine, but for most at home? Nope. Not yet. On Sunday 09 November 2003 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 11:02, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:24 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively small subpopulation. Hmm, I disagree. My 10 and 12 year old (not to mention my wife) use Mandrake here with very few problems. Sure, my wife uses it almost exclusively for e-mail and web-browsing, but thats what the Windoze majority does anyways, right? and the boys use it mostly for games...again, following the norm. Most Windows users run to a local Windog guru when they have problems anyways, and thats what my crowd here does - run to me. So whats the diff? :-) I've noticed the exact same thing, DL. In fact a young person I know recently told me that he could install and run Mandrake without trouble, yet couldn't seem to get winblowz to operate as easily, and deferred to a local shop for assistance in getting his winblowz to work correctly. LX -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] Publishing text (was: (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know what this means. I write a paragraph in OO, in Lyx, and in Abiword. Same paragraph. I then print it. It looks identical regardless of what I used to generate it. The text is whatever quality the printer can produce. There is nothing magic about latex/lyx output to printer. Text is text is text. Times New Roman is Times New Roman no matter what wordprocessor is used. Arial is arial is arial. A printer can only produce what it is designed for and no better. In what way can Latex/Lyx somehow make a printer work better than any other app/tool? There is no difference in text quality and formatting between Lyx and Kwrite for that matter. As the subject has OT in it, I wont worry about the OT nature of this but... Writing my dissertation I had a couple very strict options with how to deal with figures. I could produce all my figures and legends and add them all to the end of the document or I could include them within the body by either providing them their own individual pages immediately after the first page from which the figure was first referred to. In something like Word, wordperfect, OO, Abiword, etc, I KNOW where page breaks are and will be. What you see is exactly what you get. The first word on any page is what it is on the screen. The last word on a page is the same last word seen on the screen. In lyx there is no indication of where page breaks will be. You don't know until you either print it or do a preview (which is the same as printing it, time-wise, but just stops one step prior to actually sending to printer). This is HELL when you are trying to add graphics the page after the first reference in the text. All you can do is do a preview, look at the page where the figure is referenced, see which paragraph ends the page, and perhaps where in a paragraph the page ends. You then insert a special character (a page break) in the screen view at the APPARENT correct location in the text onscreen. Silly you, you thought this would work. It SEEMS reasonable. It doesn't work. What you get is the graphic does appear on its own page and it occurs after the word you wanted but you find that by entering a page break at that location, you altered the formatting of the paragraph. You were using right justification but now the word that was at the end of the page originally is no longer right justified as it was. There is room there now for another word, or perhaps a part of a hyphenated word. To get the end of the page and paragraph to be properly right justified you either have to experiment with hyphenated variants of the next word in the sentence OR you have to start experimenting with entering protected blanks (you have to do a LOT of this) to finally get the final output text to be properly formatted. The problem exists for inline graphics too. Say you use inline graphics in your text, but to do so you have to have at least 1/2 the text below the graphic. You have to do preview after preview, tweaking the position of the graphic again and again until it is placed just right on the final output. There is no indication onscreen that you are doing OK. Many words are not properly hyphenated in lyx. All too often you have set your right margin to be just right. For my dissertation it was a hard, fast 1 inch. No less. No more. I generate the document and it looks OK, but I goofed and didn't go over every single page with my careful eye. It turns out that on several pages scattered throughout the document, lyx and latex screwed up and didn't hyphenate a long word...and let it blow right through your hard, fast 1 inch margins. You have to manually go in after the fact and instruct lyx/latex how to hyphenate those words. And DNA sequences? In every case, unless you provide a cryptic latex command in the document preamble, Lyx/latex will blow the sequence well past your margin. You NEVER run into these problems in a normal WYSIWYG wordprocessor. Never. Because what you see on the screen is exactly what comes out of the printer. No suprises. Lyx is powerful. If you know programming languages, and latex happens to be one of them, then Latex/Lyx is fine. You will be able to add cryptic commands to the preamble and in the document (insert latex) without problem. But UGH!I use it because I HAVE to use it (thus far). The instant an alternative comes along, like OO with proper bibliography handling capabilities, I will drop lyx and latex like a ball of plutonium. praedor On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:18 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:36:23PM -0500, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Content-Description: clearsigned data [...] There is NOTHING like Word/Wordperfect + EndNote in linux - Lyx contains it all in one package but you give up WYSIWYG and the ease that comes with that. Well, on the other hand: Word is *nowhere
Re: [expert] Bizarre postfix problem cant send mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Don't sell portsentry and its tie to iptables short. I use them religiously and never see problems (and I am not covered by a firewall - and I run chkrootkit as a cronjob as well). If portsentry is setup properly and up-to-date, then it is not going to be an open relay (Yours isn't an open relay as others have indicated. Rather, your system was likely compromised and mail sent as a local user). If someone is going to hack into your system, they are going to do it via some other route, not via port 25 and postfix. This is where portsentry and iptables comes in. They watch over (and cover) the ports that an attacker is likely to try to gain entry through, and warns you and blocks them. For grins and giggles, I usually run a konsole, log in as superuser, and then run tail -f /var/log/syslog and watch all the portsentry and iptables responses. Lots of worms doing scans, a few port scans, but never an actual attempt to login. Perhaps most times, an attacker is likely to scan you first to identify your system and find open ports. Portsentry detects this and uses iptables to shut them down. On Saturday 08 November 2003 12:46 pm, et wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 05:41 pm, dfox wrote: Apparently I cannot send mail with my postfix on localhost to the network. Previously this was working fine and I don't see any changes made to my postfix configuration files. [...] first, since you must not have seen the pounds of answers you got to this, were you running squid? this seemed to be a user on your system, and not a postfix open relay. have you run chkrootkit? [...] At the moment, My box is better secured thanks to portsentry (why isn't this program in mandrake I could not urpmi it, but I did find it through rpmfind.org and the source rpm built and installed fine. [...] - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rUrBb1CLurEA6xURAnjwAJ9HrwdMGu9vhrwhRGPuGWHIgJrQhgCgyTT/ tAlbTcFrBb1V111VcxdY42Y= =lE+U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help - my box has been compromised!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err...why not simply dump the current postfix config and either reinstall to get the default config back or mv the original (if you have it, perhaps named something like main.cf~ or main.cf.default?) back into use? I have borked my main.cf file in the past, not to the point of turning my system into an open relay (which isn't broken, just badly configured...a nice way to get your hostname dropped into a blackhole list) but to the point of screwing up postfix operation. I have merely reverted to wildtype (original main.cf) and started over. This isn't THAT big a deal, just a pain in the arse. praedor On Thursday 06 November 2003 02:13 am, Franki wrote: My advice, which again will look like a cop-out, but in actuality is very serious, is that you switch to qmail. Vincent Danen, rpmhelp.net LX No doubt about it, Qmail is a good package... but postfix is pretty good also and it might be worth finding out what the problem is... I have postfix setup here to process the mail for about 9 domains (and counting) and I've not had a prob with open relay.. In fact my email log report shows about 30 odd failed relay attempts a day... rgds Franki - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qmzYaKr9sJYeTxgRAvw5AKC1X9J7Q8F7Uj9hO8xT7PzqkhXgVACeM+DL /bpeV2q63nI/8Ik9W9gXIzA= =CsfW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cooker update with newer packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I purchased the CDs from Mandrake and await their arrival before I do anything. I COULD download the isos at work, transfer the files to my desktop (crossover cable) and burn the CDs but part of me wants to wait for the official CDs. I am hoping that the final release CDs that I get will contain fixes/updates that were available shortly after the release online of 9.2. Is this wasted hope? Will the official, public release be no different than the already available distro online or will it contain updates/fixes? I have downloaded all the current update rpms so that they would be available as needed immediately after install but if I could just go with the official CDs then I could free up a lot of HDD space and delete the rpms. praedor On Thursday 06 November 2003 10:13 am, Franki wrote: Gary Hodder wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 01:15, Franki wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 05 November 2003 02:54 am, Gary Hodder wrote: No. It's just that Cooker is now fully open again, and the development for MDK 10.0 is getting up to speed... We have been in a Deep Freeze since the 9.2 Freeze, with only updates for syncking with amd64 development branch... now it's done, so syncing a 9.2 install with Cooker is no longer really an option, unless you want to break your system from time to time... So does that mean wear about to see the public release of 9.2? One has nothing to do with the other. Actually, if you look around, you can find copies of 9.2 online already.. I just downloaded the 3 CD's from an Australian server and the Md5's match up with the release version (not RC2). so it is out there... A quick seach on google showed a couple of other sites with it as well. rgds Franki I just finished downloading the first cd from ausgamers, the iso was 667mb and the iso was full of rubbish. That was a days waisted download. I got them from here: http://mirror.wa.3fl.net/pub/mandrake/9.2/ checked the md5's and installed, all went good. rgds Frank - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qm4KaKr9sJYeTxgRArv+AKCoVjCiACZvXbminzU7HdwnHNf8lQCfeS2f Ci40cZ0M8alZg4QGCTjleEc= =sa9V -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help - my box has been compromised!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Geesh. Disable ftp at least, if you disable no other service. If you don't do remote X at all, disable X service as well. Are you serving a webpage locally? Disable http and perhaps https. I have the following nmap output: PORT STATE SERVICE 22/tcpopen ssh 25/tcpopen smtp 631/tcp open ipp 1241/tcp open nessus 6000/tcp open X11 1/tcp open snet-sensor-mgmt I run my own postfix mailserver for me, myself, and I. It is not a relay (and as others have indicated, it doesn't quite look like yours is really). I could disable X11 and nessusd I suppose as though I do the occassional remote X thing and sometimes use nessus against those who scan me (I like to light up their warning lights if they have any such thing to let them know that their target is on to them), it is rare. Basically, do you actually NEED the services you are running? Any that are not really used/needed, turn them off. praedor On Thursday 06 November 2003 03:44 am, Stefan Rijnhart wrote: Op donderdag 6 november 2003 06:18, schreef David E. Fox: Folks - especially postfix people - I need some help - my box seems to have been turned into an open relay. I am running the same postfix configuration file I had installed when I was running 9.0 and later versions (currently I am running 9.2/cooker).. I have not been able to post to the list or send out any smtp email until I fix this and in the meantime have simply flushed (deleted) the outgoing queue in /var/spool /postfix via # find . /var/spool/postfix -type -f | xargs exec rm which (quickly) removes it. I removed many megabytes' worth of stuck email this way earlier today only to find that at 9 pm there was 4 megs more waiting and my isp admin had sent me a mail saying he disabled my smtp. I was under the impression postfix was relay proof - any advice will be helpful... Thanks! Hi David, Maybe my behaviour is a bit unmannered but I have ran some tests against your IP, to help you fix your box (We are talking about m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com, aren't we?) Your postfix says: 554 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Relay access denied. Seems ok. Portscanner Nmap says: Port State Service 21/tcp openftp 22/tcp openssh 25/tcp opensmtp 80/tcp openhttp 111/tcpopensunrpc 135/tcpfilteredloc-srv 137/tcpfilterednetbios-ns 138/tcpfilterednetbios-dgm 139/tcpfilterednetbios-ssn 443/tcpopenhttps 445/tcpfilteredmicrosoft-ds 631/tcpopenipp 642/tcpopenunknown 6000/tcp openX11 Do these ports corresond to the services that you want to offer? Otherwise, shield them off. Do you know how to work with shorewall to accomplish that? Good luck, Stefan. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qnAAaKr9sJYeTxgRAv4SAJ9GatteTgmMSVQpL81QD04nTEZIuACfbvy0 tKZxRkF3Ixg55x6kbf2By/g= =yG6x -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] CNN video clips
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What format is CNN using for its videos? I try to view any of them and I get an error message: Sound server warning message: mimetype text/html unsupported for streaming Huh? text/html? What's the deal with CNN? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qr7naKr9sJYeTxgRAsKhAKCFE+/U48aLI1lIg2kK7QvwXtx2SgCfbIde A0gkhNn/ahTX/4TEuiNtCl8= =DOUz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE 3.1.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gad! I haven't even tried building kde since about 2.x days. WAY too big. I remember when the kernel took longer (or about the same amount of time) as it took to build KDE. In any case, texstar should have version 3.1.4 though I can't say for sure whether it would be for 9.2 rather than 9.1. If the 9.1 rpms will work there isn't really a reason for worrying about a 9.2 rpm especially since there isn't really that much difference between the two. On Sunday 02 November 2003 08:26 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: Any idea where I can get 3.1.4 in rpm format for 3.2, or am I going to have to compile the sucker? Rob - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/pqfRb1CLurEA6xURAgL0AJ9Y0w41oX3K4XxqjS1wYypVCEObxACg0rn0 6nFiU6dkR5ATK/Oh+Y7uAJc= =9zbM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Konqueror browser icon thingy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know what you call the icon at the top right of konqueror that normally spins or acts in some manner to indicate activity (like loading a page). Whatever it is called, how do I change it? I have the Umicons 2.0 theme icons installed on my desktop (very nice looking) but unfortunately, it replaced the normally dynamic konqueror button/icon with a static KDE gear. I would like to replace that particular item with virtually anything else - something that is dynamic and indicates when the browser is doing something. How can I change just this icon without changing the entire icon theme in KDE? praedor - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/prt1b1CLurEA6xURAlB7AJ9V9K3G55QRiqJldAGYUgK0fB0BbQCdHr99 FBJoakEzgjMkSh+N4oMgNro= =f6ga -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PGP signed messages and a plugin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I found a very simple fix and it works very nicely with kmail. Simply install gnupg, libgpgme, and cryptoplug. In kmail, go to the security tab, enable gnupgp, then go to the plugins tab and simply enter the path gpme-openpgp.so (default in mandrake = /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-opengpg.so) and enter a name like gnupg or whatever. I don't know if it is necessary for this method to work but it is for other means of using the pgp plugins, but you can/should also change your ~/.gnupg/conf file to ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf. Hit apply after doing the above in kmail and that's it. praedor On Friday 31 October 2003 05:40 pm, Robert Goshko wrote: Praedor Atrebates wrote: I should specify that I have gnupg installed and that is what I use on my system, and through kmail. I have gnupg selected in kmails security settings and have it autosign my own emails. So, what is this plugin that isn't specified? When reading the e-mail, Kmail needs a plug-in to verify the signature, I found the gpg/pgp support mechanism kind of kludgey in kmail. Evolution attachs GPG signature via a MIME type, but it can't handle in line signatures (BEGIN/END blocks). Enigmail enhancement for Thunderbird handles both in line and MIME type signatures, very nice. - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o8xOb1CLurEA6xURAmGMAJ9InkuOVW6aXSCC9sozahW850KQvwCfcgwa t3CzSO2QaTanjj7V+SNWwMw= =Jdur -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] PGP signed messages and a plugin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When people sign their emails with their PGP key (unknown to me) their message in kmail is prefaced with the following: Message was signed with unknown key. The validity of the signature cannot be verified. Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. Use the 'Settings-Configure KMail-Security' dialog to specify the plug-in or ask your system administrator to do that for you. My question, what is this plugin being referred to? An OpenPGP plugin for kmail? I know one way I could eliminate such messages would be to search out the public key of the people signing their messages and keep it in my keyring, but I kinda hope that there IS a plugin that might do this for me (?). praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/otONaKr9sJYeTxgRAl83AJ9K2TsLTYb/ZEuSTQw1NJDOFxOhTQCgh8gs 0NaCoBRarW2owgb3ansn0PA= =p0AD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PGP signed messages and a plugin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I should specify that I have gnupg installed and that is what I use on my system, and through kmail. I have gnupg selected in kmails security settings and have it autosign my own emails. So, what is this plugin that isn't specified? On Friday 31 October 2003 04:26 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: When people sign their emails with their PGP key (unknown to me) their message in kmail is prefaced with the following: Message was signed with unknown key. The validity of the signature cannot be verified. Problem: OpenPGP plug-in was not specified. Use the 'Settings-Configure KMail-Security' dialog to specify the plug-in or ask your system administrator to do that for you. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ota8aKr9sJYeTxgRAjWxAKCxyyL7+pPjrqaNCAQjUYXVrGSgNQCgquUA hM+7ruGuGbZUfTgtvR9c9m4= =zHvp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting wireless driver tool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This may allow the Intel Centrino wireless garbage to work. It is garbage because Intel SAID they would support linux but they backtracked and have not released any linux drivers. For their failure to follow through I have boycotted using their systems (CPU, etc) in favor of AMD. This isn't enough to get me to change my mind, though for others who have centrino systems but have to live with the fact that they are all but useless under linux, this may be a way to make use of your investment. praedor On Thursday 30 October 2003 07:06 am, Franki wrote: J.C. Woods wrote: Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just came across a message posted to the wlan-ng list. There is a company out there called Linuxant and they have released Driveloader, a windoze driver compatibility layer and installer. Here is the info from their page: I can not help but to be skeptical butt... Do keep us up to date on how these drivers work, if indeed they do... drjung I already know people on the Dell forum that are using it... (to get Dell broadcom wireless cards working under linux) So we know it does work. As soon as I get my hands on some 9.2 iso's and an update packages iso, I will be setting it up on my laptop. rgds Franki - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oTAhaKr9sJYeTxgRAqg+AJ40Jn1q2K/Zfr7yb3kT2+rYO0bECACeMGi9 AySGNWe0/sjZsbs8Y1U5N6U= =MXv6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Macros and OO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This isn't specific to Mandrake in any way, but I was hoping someone could point me to a good site that might explain how to setup macros in OpenOffice? I get to handle purchasing in my lab. This system (on a Mac) uses an excel database filled with scientific products/chemicals, etc, and an order form. There are macros setup so that one can select a row in the database for product X and enter it into the order form. I copied this database/form to my laptop running Mandrake with OpenOffice and imported it. All is well except, of course, all the M$ macros didn't transfer and, thus, if I desire to be able to handle these orders from my laptop I need to duplicate the macros in OpenOffice 1.5. I have NEVER done macros, in M$ Word, excel, etc, nor in OO. I don't even know where to begin. The tentative steps I've taken to try to figure it out have been hopeless thus far. Any really good HOWTOs on this? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oTIdaKr9sJYeTxgRAooQAKC2Twx+dFexe981mPyExvi4CIQKowCff+C8 KvG5pnZu2w34lXap7GiBowA= =eySa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] missing kde features
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ya know, it isn't there. There is no settings selection that enables the separate side window displaying tree view while the main window shows current directory (home) file view. This is with the Texstar KDE 3.1.4 install. There is a location toolbar but this merely refers to the browser location-like bar at the top. The only way to even get close to what used to be there (recall, this is analogous with the Local Folders window in kmail) is to select the Midnight Commander profile in settings, but this isn't really what is desired. praedor On Thursday 30 October 2003 01:49 pm, Charlie M. wrote: Thursday 30 October 2003 11:37 am, Guy McArthur wrote: Here's a couple KDE features I miss. a) Konqueror starting up with the sidebar by default (in file manager mode). Open Home, click on settings and find the Location Bar and enable it. b) the most-frequently used applications at the top of the K menu. Right click the K menu button, from panel menu click configure panel click the menus tab. Knock yourself out. g If anyone knows how to enable those features, please let me know. Regards; Charlie - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oWW8aKr9sJYeTxgRAkjAAJ9/3Vc+4Rq5UWV1TQs7a19mccTaRQCePatl 2nk+na62Sbrm3FULKvRruIs= =xHO3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] missing kde features
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ah. Yes, F9 did bring back the sidebar folder window. Thank you. Am I to assume that this will be necessary every time I open Home or otherwise use konqueror for file management? praedor On Thursday 30 October 2003 02:34 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 30 Oct 2003 7:25 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Ya know, it isn't there. There is no settings selection that enables the separate side window displaying tree view while the main window shows current directory (home) file view. This is with the Texstar KDE 3.1.4 install. There is a location toolbar but this merely refers to the browser location-like bar at [...] Does F9 work, Praedor? - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oWtBaKr9sJYeTxgRApmJAJwJH1GG2+AJjC0LH2oL0c9pW5HMdQCfSGt6 N2YjIAGQUlC2xT09CyIh0Qk= =V2eb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] missing kde features
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The answer to my own question, at least within the current session, is No. I do not have to do F9 every time I open home or any other directory. Hopefully it will take upon restart/relogin. praedor On Thursday 30 October 2003 02:49 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Ah. Yes, F9 did bring back the sidebar folder window. Thank you. Am I to assume that this will be necessary every time I open Home or otherwise use konqueror for file management? [...] - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oWyWaKr9sJYeTxgRAiY8AJ9rC+gHGZWIK+13IWAQec5wWOHp/wCeOSxE qV/QrHzH8o1lOPxKso8t1XE= =twB4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Fetchmail problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK. On my laptop I use a global /etc/fetchmailrc file because I like the cleanliness of running fetchmail as a daemon at startup rather than as a cron job as a user (Ugh. Crude. Ugly). I decided to experiment on my desktop and try to use fetchmail in daemon mode but instead of an /etc/fetchmailrc, I have a ~/.fetchmailrc file. Naturally, no worky. Is there a way to get fetchmail, the DAEMON, to use my ~/.fetchmailrc file or am I going to have to copy it to /etc/fetchamilrc again? praedor - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/obofb1CLurEA6xURAqoPAJ4uGlfImHiBHYjjXgcDoYPIMoqM7QCgsOjO G3dxc5PNVBb2OaadSmScADw= =UIg/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Fetchmail problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it any better than running it as a cron job. My desire is that no matter how many users are using, only ONE fetchmail process is needed. Instead of all users running their own fetchmail, have the system run ONE and have this one process check for ~/.fetchmailrc files in all user directories and go from there. As a new user creates a .fetchmailrc, the fetchmail daemon would simply find it and use it on the next fetch. - From your answer I assume that fetchmail is not capable of this. To my thinking, this is a flaw in design. Instead of designing a system that requires each and every user run independent instances of fetchmail, it is self evident that a single process handling the mail for any and all users is more logical and clean in design. Fetchmail can't do this? Is there a fetchmail-alike that can? praedor On Thursday 30 October 2003 08:36 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2003 08:25 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: OK. On my laptop I use a global /etc/fetchmailrc file because I like the cleanliness of running fetchmail as a daemon at startup rather than as a cron job as a user (Ugh. Crude. Ugly). I decided to experiment on my desktop and try to use fetchmail in daemon mode but instead of an /etc/fetchmailrc, I have a ~/.fetchmailrc file. Naturally, no worky. Is there a way to get fetchmail, the DAEMON, to use my ~/.fetchmailrc file or am I going to have to copy it to /etc/fetchamilrc again? Simply run fetchmail with the -f option and specify the exact fetchmailrc file that you want it to use. IE. fetchmail -d 180 -f /home/user/.fetchmailrc - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ob+Pb1CLurEA6xURAkwQAKCXh1UfAbXV7/G+MBv5Fgm3/yr/jQCfUzeQ PZZgC2VkNiHcZYSfb79xhdw= =mBpq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Interesting wireless driver tool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just came across a message posted to the wlan-ng list. There is a company out there called Linuxant and they have released Driveloader, a windoze driver compatibility layer and installer. Here is the info from their page: DriverLoader is a revolutionary compatibility-wrapper allowing standard Windows NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) drivers shipped by hardware vendors to be used as-is on Linux x86 systems. DriverLoader technology is the ideal Linux solution to support devices for which no adequate native open-source drivers are available. It also allows vendors to drastically reduce time to market or eliminate the need to support multiple drivers for Windows and Linux. By using the same driver on both platforms, significant resources can be saved. There are rpms available for Mandrake and Redhat, plus generic rpms for everyone else. The package is made up of open and binary components as needed by licensing. Their website is: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader You must read their release notes and agree before downloading. Unless you are a full GPL/OSS-only type, the agreement isn't onerous at all. Thus, it appears that they have a package that allows you to use windows drivers for wireless lan devices when there are no available linux-native drivers. I downloaded rpms for both 9.1 and 9.2 (I have 9.1 right now and expect to install 9.2 soonish). If this works as advertised, this is cool. 802.11g support for linux (after a fashion) as well as 802.11b for those annoying devices for which there are no linux drivers. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oCsPaKr9sJYeTxgRAiofAJ9mYdBN38IpGVmoWV3LQElmL5AhBwCfeBDJ vopS/30PKkn0FH59Y94wSAA= =o8/N -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting wireless driver tool
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 29 October 2003 04:18 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just came across a message posted to the wlan-ng list. There is a company out there called Linuxant and they have released Driveloader, a windoze driver compatibility layer and installer. Here is the info from their page: DriverLoader is a revolutionary compatibility-wrapper allowing standard Windows NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) drivers shipped by hardware vendors to be used as-is on Linux x86 systems. [...] I can not help but to be skeptical butt... Do keep us up to date on how these drivers work, if indeed they do... The driveloader is free, as in beer, so they are not making (or trying to make) money off this from the enduser. This makes me less suspicious. Perhaps they are making use of wine in some capacity, in combination with non GPL code (the binary portion of the package). At this time I don't have a non-linux-friendly wlan card. I DID and likely will again as I am interested in going up to 802.11g. I suppose I could test the driveloader with another 802.11b card I have (which is also supported via the prism2 drivers) that I don't use or care about. I'll edit its id from the /etc/pcmcia/config file and see if I can get driveloader to install and use the windoze driver that came with it. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/oDIfaKr9sJYeTxgRAoRyAJoCrP4vNO9PzlEa/4BIvIpePgfYcgCgrq0u IDMo13QQ2c9SlbJjnXPKnV8= =MvPI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] menudrake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have had problems myself. Just as you mention, items that appear in menudrake's depiction of the kmenus but not in real life. Some of these items are things I added several attempts in the past (as root editing the system menu) that just refuse to appear permanently in my working user menus. They show up for the session I am currently running so I think all is peachy but when I login for a new session the next day (system restart - laptop) they are gone. They still show up in the menudrake window, just not in real life. praedor On Friday 24 October 2003 08:03 am, Brian V Bonini wrote: Is it just me or os menudrake whacked? It just never does what it's supposed to. It will remove stuff from the menu that I did not ask it to yes it will still appear in the menudrake interface and all sort of weird stuff like that... Has always done this.. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mSlTaKr9sJYeTxgRAnmkAKChzl6H9tqHA7UodXgoRmA5oPIg5gCfVZYe HhzFROnvP7RaEI25r/lMBnU= =q5I8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] where are urpmi commands for 9.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I bought the boxed prosuite. As I wait for the arrival of the CDs, I have decided to pre-download ALL the updates/fixes so that they are onhand for immediate install after 9.2's install. Where might I find the commands for urpmi sources (the base, security, texstar, and plf sources)? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mSyVaKr9sJYeTxgRAh7xAJ4gTeO/Joe26c8ErRuzlu7KXY8JnwCfdu3M zXzSeRv8pxO+I0HgyDLxBws= =LVlu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] where are urpmi commands for 9.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Never mind. I found what I wanted (updates, plf, texstar), however, I am presently running 9.1 and plan to wait for my 9.2 CDs before I upgrade. Is there a way to use urpmi to download rpms without installing them? I can save them with the --noclean option, of course, but I do not necessarily want to install anything right now because of dependency issues best solved by installing 9.2. praedor On Friday 24 October 2003 08:43 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I bought the boxed prosuite. As I wait for the arrival of the CDs, I have decided to pre-download ALL the updates/fixes so that they are onhand for immediate install after 9.2's install. Where might I find the commands for urpmi sources (the base, security, texstar, and plf sources)? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mTGMaKr9sJYeTxgRAukGAKCyz/QEw1F1WUyjjmGPnVJ01TPUVgCgthyH bGHNVRXXLnvdU3Bb49mWJ5s= =8lZC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] compiling kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Use the Mandrake kernel-source. It does include things you wont find in the kernel.org kernel (supermount being one of them). I couldn't enumerate all the addons that Mandrake provides but it is worth it to use the official mandrake kernel-source rpms. On Thursday 23 October 2003 12:28 pm, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of upgrading to 9.2 then compile my own kernels for the boxes. I'm thinking should I grab the latest source from www.kernel.org or should I use the source from Mandrake? Are there patches included in Mandrake's kernel source that are not in the mainline? I need XFS, ACL, supermount and quota services. Are there traps that I should watch out for? Regards, Norman - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mBEwaKr9sJYeTxgRAnKWAJ9MPYGLqlG2assVEk1UH10fLKa5SQCeILjT mrYWnwbnC6nHKbAZmKqLHMc= =FzZe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GAL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I believe that last line is indicating that it is looking for libxml. This would be provided by libxml-devel (or however mandrake names it, ie, libxml0-devel, libxml2-devel, etc...just do an rpm -qa|grep libxml and see what is already installed and then do a urpmi for libxmlwhatever-devel). praedor On Thursday 23 October 2003 03:34 pm, Richard Bown wrote: Sorry if this gets duplicated , either this list is slow again or it got lost Hi all just starting to move apps over on to pc with a fresh install of 9.2. I've noticed a lot of apps and libs which were standard with 9.1, are no longer installed with 9.2. Doing battle trying to compile gal-0.23 which is need ed to run an app but I cant sort out what it looking for on the last line of the text below.I searched through the text description on the rpms but cant see any refence thats helpful, I 'm also getting to the point of hitting a lot of file conflicts. If I can get the Makefile built at least I stand some chance the build the blasted thing. can someone please point me in the right direction TIA Richard [...] checking X11/SM/SMlib.h presence... yes checking for X11/SM/SMlib.h... yes checking for XpmFreeXpmImage in -lXpm... yes checking for gnome-config... (cached) /usr/bin/gnome-config checking for xmlNewDoc in -lxml... no - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mD3DaKr9sJYeTxgRApOxAKCjLrjBcDZ5XNidbcmxH/iE9GJzjQCeMz8y +OECItWoqQFcHnO5MvYlbe0= =ml+l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GAL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For that produce the last portion of the config.log file contents. praedor On Thursday 23 October 2003 11:49 am, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:34:34 +0100 Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can someone please point me in the right direction Well you listed what it was checking But what was the error that configure gave you. Charles - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mD/EaKr9sJYeTxgRAiOgAJ4lp/+PEBTk2jvIUkg8F83J4mdVeQCfZn6h F7C8sGNsIPTRhZ3e8WURsBo= =WXYE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Can't REALLY disable shadows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I apparently made a mistake. Mandrake 9.1, kde 3.1.4 (texstar). I once selected enable shadows in the control center and now, no matter what, I cannot make them go away forever. It has been deselected and applied 4 times now and I still get shadows. The problem with the shadows is that they, well...they suck. More often than not they cause a stripe of corrupted video within the shadow region rather than creating a shadow. This corruption is usually made of the a former underlying graphic, be it the kpanel/kicker, another window, whatever. The shadow is borked and ugly. How do I make it go away forever? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lrFlaKr9sJYeTxgRArMpAKChIW8tMXmMWfC72SfndDRN24k+hwCePZ2f 1huVHFH4iz+Q+mheBbh83tU= =cciZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Why can't I get my 802.11b card into monitor mode?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have kernel pcmcia orinoco-0.13e driver patched with the orinoco-0.13e-patch.diff to provide monitor mode. My wlan card is an orinoco gold. The patch appears successful as iwpriv indicates that monitor mode is now available: iwpriv eth0 results: eth0 Available private ioctl : force_reset (8BE0) : set 0get 0 card_reset (8BE1) : set 0get 0 set_port3(8BE2) : set 1 intget 0 get_port3(8BE3) : set 0get 1 int set_preamble (8BE4) : set 1 intget 0 get_preamble (8BE5) : set 0get 1 int set_ibssport (8BE6) : set 1 intget 0 get_ibssport (8BE7) : set 0get 1 int monitor (8BE8) : set 2 intget 0 dump_recs(8BFF) : set 0get 0 Trying to get into monitor mode: iwconfig eth0 mode monitor Error for wireless request Set Mode (8B06) : SET failed on device eth0 ; Invalid argument. Yet here I simply cannot get it into monitor mode. Why? What is missing here? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/lTeAaKr9sJYeTxgRAjdjAJwNFMgu11/U50OCcCa4R9qBHt6j7QCWN6GW OLlPZDBG3jBG1LtUqZF8UQ== =bG4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Where are wireless extensions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have built my own kernel with ALL wireless modules activated. I have wireless-tools installed. Where are the kernel wireless extensions? Surely the 2.4.x kernels have wireless extensions in this day and age? How do I get kernel wireless extensions? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lVzaaKr9sJYeTxgRAt2+AJ0b09F4g8tWvcqlxs2PUNKzbsgppgCdFVJT XcwwGyD95XD1BTpFw16RSgM= =dTlj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Virus?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We already see the start of this in Lindows. Root by default. I also recall reading something recently about giving macro-running capability to SO/OO ala Office (yeah, I know it has its own macros as it is but my impression was it might be an attempt to make the whole experience as much like Office as possible). This means macro viruses for linux if it is done the windoze way. praedor On Tuesday 21 October 2003 04:44 pm, rikona wrote: Hello James, Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 2:25:06 PM, you wrote: JS as more and more of the windows world enters the world of Unix + JS the desire to make it as painless as possible may well increase JS the chances of something being haywire. I see this as the biggest threat. Especially if ever-less-computer-literate users demand a better 'user experience.' This will lead to less default security (interferes with some operations) and, especially, connect-everything-to-everything designs (lets the user do anything, from anywhere). The malware writers dream world. Are we already going down this slippery slope? - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/la02aKr9sJYeTxgRAklxAJ95b+/oOOCoMPvp6cz67DkPW2KLUgCfQYQN P9CmmdTXYJjkHpE2G+bIMcI= =nSam -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help please! Cannot stop this spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is the syslog entry associated with this repetitive spam (based on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] message): ^[[B^[[BOct 20 08:57:26 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9542]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 20 08:57:26 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9542]: warning: Illegal address syntax from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] in MAIL command: Received:[EMAIL PROTECTED];Oct Oct 20 08:57:27 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9543]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 20 08:57:27 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9543]: 6E5C86F97: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 20 08:57:27 lapdog postfix/cleanup[9544]: 6E5C86F97: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oct 20 08:57:27 lapdog postfix/nqmgr[1657]: 6E5C86F97: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2068, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 20 08:57:27 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9543]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 20 08:57:28 lapdog postfix/smtpd[9542]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Here is the message I see in full, separated into headers and message body: Headers: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lapdog.ravenhome.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EB36F36 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:00:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 216.136.173.225; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:57:26 -0700 Received: from pop.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [216.136.173.10] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.1) for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 128.210.210.51 (EHLO lapdog.ravenhome.net) (128.210.210.51) by mta104.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:57:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lapdog.ravenhome.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E5C86F97 for praedor; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=foo-mani-padme-hum-1777-1-1066654647 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.54 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.54 (1.174.2.17-2003-05-11-exp) Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: End of Headers. Message body: General SMTP/ESMTP error. here is the actual misconfigured spam file...see at bottom X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 216.136.173.226; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:52:58 -0700 X-YahooFilteredBulk: 24.61.30.135 Received: from 24.61.30.135 (HELO 67.164.237.213) (24.61.30.135) by mta154.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:52:58 -0700 Received: from [177.34.196.8] by f64.law4.hotmail.com with NNFMP; Oct, 18 2003 12:36:28 AM -0200 Received: from 105.183.205.243 ([105.183.205.243]) by smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com with QMQP; Oct, 17 2003 11:27:32 PM +1200 From: uvnRuth Cawdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Presription Meds givp Sender: uvnRuth Cawdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:54:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Build 10.0.2627 End of message body. Here is the actual spam file contents attached to the above message: Reporting-MTA: dns; localhost Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:57:27 -0500 (EST) Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: 501 Bad address syntax End of misconfigured spam. I get a new one of these every time my fetchmail daemon contacts my ISP pop mail server. I can eliminate the messages if I add this to my /etc/procmailrc (I run it globally): :0 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null When I have tried to key off components of the message, such as X-YahooFilteredBulk: 24.61.30.135 or variations I still get the message. Spamassassin doesn't catch this message as it is screwed up (it gives a 1.2/5.0, far below what would be needed to identify it as spam and get /dev/nulled by my other procmailrc recipe (which is working fine): :0 * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes /dev/null As it is, EVERY time I hear the tone indicating new messages, I am absolutely certain to see more of these messages unless I /dev/null anything from fetchmail-daemon, which seems rather problematic - there may be messages from the daemon I would be interested in receiving. praedor On Monday 20 October 2003 05:59 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 19 October 2003 09:17 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I have receive over 100
Re: [expert] Help please! Cannot stop this spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have logged directly into my popmail server (yahoo) via the web and find that the spam message isn't being repeatedly sent - the same message is causing a problem over and over. Yahoo tagged it as spam and put it in my bulk mail folder on their site. When fetchmail retrieved messages, it would apparently have problems with that message and send me the error message email instead of the actual spam. I am not sure why...is there a way to fix fetchmail so it wont do this anymore? Instead of having a problem with a message and sending me a bazillion error messages every time it sees the undelivered/undeliverable message/spam, can I not just set fetchmail to dump the message? If I had not logged directly into the yahoo webmail site and deleted the spam message there, fetchmail would continue generating that annoying message forever, procmail would have had to process that same message forever, and yet the original message would still exist on the server. For the moment, I have elected to turn off yahoo's spamguard and let my system handle the crap and hope that whatever the problem was, it will now be handled properly and directly on my end. praedor On Monday 20 October 2003 08:11 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Here is the syslog entry associated with this repetitive spam (based on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] message): [...] - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/k+U7aKr9sJYeTxgRAvNLAJ4zkDU27NeHrRL2x5z+0qhMCJYM1gCfeqPc l+1tKsfpMsF32BSJ1UCh9ew= =KVn6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Spamd and sa-learn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simple question. Originally I used spamassassin directly from kmail (spamc to work through spamd). Since it was I who was making the call I could assume that whenever I did a sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur that whatever was learned was used in subsequent spam analysis. Now I use spamd with spamc called from a procmail recipe. The user is nobody instead of me. So, does doing sa-learn, etc still work? Does user root or nobody make use of the learning I give to spamassassin via sa-learn? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lAN5aKr9sJYeTxgRAgTJAKC3oOmKckAdQWkMT85i/5TCMij7IQCghE/l U+9Ifsg9aw6qftrFVLVBpdo= =OgtP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help please! Cannot stop this spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you, that appears to have done the trick. I was getting filled up with a new spam, producing the same type of message, but adding that line to fetchmailrc did the trick. It is gone. I was getting quite angry and frustrated with this nonsense. Until a few days ago, I didn't receive any sort of message like this. Spam came in and was dumped into /dev/null via spamd and procmail. Nothing was getting through. These messages weren't getting through, per se, but they were certainly causing just as much problems as normal spam by filling my box with error messages. What's up with the misconfigured messages all of a sudden? Why wouldn't I have run into this before now? Is something new going on (the originating IP was completely different, as was the Subject, than the previous viagra garbage) On Monday 20 October 2003 08:49 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 20 October 2003 09:11 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: snipped Okay, we don't see the Postfix error code but based upon the text of the message, my guess is that Postfix is rejecting this message upon the delivery attempt by Fetchmail, fetchmail is then sending a failure message to let you know but the message is not being deleted so upon the next poll attempt, it tries to deliver the message again. The fetchmail log should be telling you what the error code is from Postfix but if I had to guess, I would say it is a 501, fetchmail normally counts 55? codes as spam rejects by default. [...] - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lATRaKr9sJYeTxgRAgZcAJ47HY0Hu5Mw5Pi/Hcgw3qWy3540yQCgn6yh EA+nw2VbFFmOhU2ta0x/IoE= =JDnX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spamd and sa-learn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suppose I could bring the /etc/procmailrc to .procmailrc in my home directory. As I am the only user on my system, I didn't see much need to setup individual procmail and fetchmail settings. Besides which, I HAD to do the global setup for fetchmail (and thus defaulted to doing it with procmail too) because I wanted to run fetchmail as a daemon rather than as a cron job. If run as a daemon, it will not use ~/.fetchmailrc and will complain and error out if there isn't an /etc/fetchmailrc. In any case, I suppose I feared that procmail would do the same thing and complain if there wasn't an /etc/procmailrc (and having a .procmailrc in my home directory would essentially be redundant). The /etc/procmailrc file is setup specifically for me. Can I simply get away with moving /etc/procmailrc to $HOME/.procmailrc (and change the perms to be for me rather than root)? Procmail wont complain if there is no /etc/procmailrc file the way fetchmail does...or...if procmail is called from the fetchmail daemon (not a user-initiated cron job) will procmail still use $HOME/.procmailrc? praedor On Monday 20 October 2003 11:12 am, Jack Coates wrote: I actually don't use sa-learn, but I do use individual procmailrc's instead of /etc/procmailrc; this causes spamc to always be called with the user's UID. There's an article I've always meant to implement about using redirects to activate sa-learn from evolution vfolders or regular MUA mailboxes, but that's all a lot to be showing the fifteen or so emailers I have. On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 08:47, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simple question. Originally I used spamassassin directly from kmail (spamc to work through spamd). Since it was I who was making the call I could assume that whenever I did a sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur that whatever was learned was used in subsequent spam analysis. Now I use spamd with spamc called from a procmail recipe. The user is nobody instead of me. So, does doing sa-learn, etc still work? Does user root or nobody make use of the learning I give to spamassassin via sa-learn? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lAN5aKr9sJYeTxgRAgTJAKC3oOmKckAdQWkMT85i/5TCMij7IQCghE/l U+9Ifsg9aw6qftrFVLVBpdo= =OgtP -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/lA9ZaKr9sJYeTxgRApV3AJ9CKajv8SCu4xePlkkGbltLYn/pYgCYoIzR xkYINzmDzarJynlIakpQfA== =rxhR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Spamd and sa-learn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I rarely see spam anymore, since going to postfix, procmail, and spamd all in combination. Anything spamd identifies as spam gets /dev/nulled. The only stuff I see (rarely) are messages that get past spamassassin and into my inbox, thus it is only messages that spamd fails to detect that I end up with and run sa-learn on. praedor On Monday 20 October 2003 11:41 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 20 October 2003 11:47 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Simple question. Originally I used spamassassin directly from kmail (spamc to work through spamd). Since it was I who was making the call I could assume that whenever I did a sa-learn --spam --dir Mail/Spam/cur that whatever was learned was used in subsequent spam analysis. [...] BTW, it does little good to have SA try to learn on messages that it correctly classified. It already got those. You should only have it learn on messages where it got it wrong, either spam that was not classified as spam or false positives that were classified as spam but were not. Keep in mind that you are trying to get it to learn to do what it doesn't do better, not trying to get it to learn to do what it already does right better. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lBI5aKr9sJYeTxgRAhMaAKCKrCJuEzRMrHXR/C1MXRytYFvq+gCdGxq3 11EmH6ygEszqtPpE3w7+ddo= =Ft8M -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] What is the matter with Mandrake urpmi sources?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I run into this distressingly often. I try to update mandrake urpmi sources only to be told that there were problems or errors: [EMAIL PROTECTED] download]# urpmi.addmedia -h mirrors.secsup.org_devel ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/SRPMS added medium mirrors.secsup.org_devel examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.texstar.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.updates_csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu_i586_9.1.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.distrib_ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu_i586_9.1.cz] examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz] retrieving description file of mirrors.secsup.org_devel... retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of mirrors.secsup.org_devel... ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/SRPMS/synthesis.hdlist.cz ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/synthesis.hdlist.cz ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/base/hdlist.cz retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium mirrors.secsup.org_devel examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.mirrors.secsup.org_devel.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium mirrors.secsup.org_devel unable to update medium mirrors.secsup.org_devel Same thing with virtually any and all other possible sources. All I want is a kernel-source-tmb rpm so I can patch the orinoco driver and build the kernel. I cannot find this rpm. If I manually go to the websites instead of doing the urpmi thing (from MandrakeClub) I get the message that the file doesn't exist OR it downloads and segfaults when trying to install it. Where on this earth is it possible to acquire a kernel-source-tmb kernel of recent vintage? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lDNNaKr9sJYeTxgRAhyzAKCIc8uPHc2SYTJ76UGllIaQi5kxjQCeIBNp bJr/ab7knGahjAwrDNtnAWs= =u09d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What is the matter with Mandrake urpmi sources?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, OK...but then, MandrakeClub happily sends you to the download page for src.rpms and includes (useless) urpmi instructions for each link. In any case, I then tried looking for kernel-source-tmb in MandrakeClub and found reference to it in Mandrake Cooker. I went to the download page, used the urpmi source link and then tried to install kernel-source, expecting a list to come up with the -tmb kernel among them. Nope. I got a 2.4.21-0.25mdk kernel and a 2.4.22 multimedia kernel. OK, I give up. So I decided to download the 2.4.22 multimedia kernel source and...boop! It doesn't exist. This inspite of the fact that I just updated ALL my urpmi sources immediately prior to this attempt. It shows up when I urpmi kernel-source but none of them actually exist. Their links appear hopelessly broken. praedor On Monday 20 October 2003 02:22 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 20 October 2003 03:11 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I run into this distressingly often. I try to update mandrake urpmi sources only to be told that there were problems or errors: [EMAIL PROTECTED] download]# urpmi.addmedia -h mirrors.secsup.org_devel ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake-devel/contrib/SRPMS I don't believe there is a hdlist for the SRPMS directory. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lD2CaKr9sJYeTxgRAqWgAJwOCgCZsKJQJUxBAGCouI0OWf+fKQCfXeWD VNgU5fpsZbuiPLZw7nFZMfU= =xNiT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What is the matter with Mandrake urpmi sources?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I understand that a kernel-source rpm is not the same as a kernel.src rpm. What I do not understand is that I have just updated all my sources, including contribs, AND I added the urpmi sources indicated for the kernel-source-tmb kernel on the MandrakeClub download pages. I then ran urpmi kernel-source and expected urpmi to provide a list of rpms containing kernel-source - because when I tried to download the kernel-source-tmb rpm itself from the link on the download page at MandrakeClub, it failed and said it doesn't exist. I assumed (after trying a half dozen other provided links to sources) that perhaps the kernel-source-tmb version had changed and instead of trying to download a specific (broken) kernel-source-tmb rpm, I would let urpmi select the proper rpm for me AFTER I updated all my sources AND added a new one from the MandrakeClub urpmi setup link. I DID get a short list of available kernel-source rpms but they did not include kernel-source-tmb (this inspite of the fact that I added the urpmi source from MandrakeClub that explicitly pointed to the site that supposedly contained it). I ended up going to the mandrake devel cooker site and manually downloading the kernel-source-tmb rpm there. The MandrakeClub links and urpmi instructions are erroneous. On Monday 20 October 2003 03:19 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 20 October 2003 03:54 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Yeah, OK...but then, MandrakeClub happily sends you to the download page for src.rpms and includes (useless) urpmi instructions for each link. [...] It sounds to me like you are getting confused between the kernel-source package and a kernel src.rpm package. The kernal and kernel-source rpms are binary packages that are created when the kernel src.rpm package is processed by the build machine. The first two will be in the RPMS directory, while the third is in the SRPMS directory. Also, kernel-tmb and kernel-mm are in contribs not main, so make sure you are looking in the right place. - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lEjUaKr9sJYeTxgRAqAFAJ4rghKS2NOSGiRCc9wwgTk8nKOjggCfXlYc jbmhvQsgz6/ZeNRlgUKtPQU= =FBB7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Orinoco gold driver problems
On Sunday 19 October 2003 07:22 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been trying to get kismet, the wlan sniffer, to work with my orinoco [...] for MDK 9.1 the update kernel is 2.4.21-0.25mdk wich carries orinoco 0.13c for MDK 9.2 we hav the latest orinoco, and that sniffer patch will be in my next kernel-tmb in contribs... Great (and I also now see where the kernel-tmb comes from...I hadn't been paying much attention). As for the 2.4.21-0.25mdk kernel, I cannot get that kernel, or any kernel beyond 0.13mdk, to work on my laptop after I rebuild it. I build my own kernel every time because I include some of the grsecurity stuff that is not included in the default kernel. Whereas I have no problems at all with the 2.4.21-0.13mdk kernel, if I try any subsequent kernel, it panics at bootup. Every time and no matter what I do. My laptop is an IBM Thinkpad 1412 celeron 366. I haven't tried the binary kernels beyond 0.13mdk though - they aren't really useful to me unless I can build them with some grsecurity items. praedor -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] What is this garbage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Over the last few days, my inbox has been receiving repeated versions of this: General SMTP/ESMTP error. attached, empty message that contains: Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:49:21 -0500 (EST) Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: 501 Bad address syntax X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 216.136.173.226; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:52:58 -0700 X-YahooFilteredBulk: 24.61.30.135 Received: from 24.61.30.135 (HELO 67.164.237.213) (24.61.30.135) by mta154.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:52:58 -0700 Received: from [177.34.196.8] by f64.law4.hotmail.com with NNFMP; Oct, 18 2003 12:36:28 AM -0200 Received: from 105.183.205.243 ([105.183.205.243]) by smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com with QMQP; Oct, 17 2003 11:27:32 PM +1200 From: uvnRuth Cawdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Presription Meds givp Sender: uvnRuth Cawdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 01:54:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Build 10.0.2627 Is someone trying to use me as a relay? Is this just some badly designed spam that contains nothing and is getting past spamassassin on my system? praedor - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/krScb1CLurEA6xURApc6AJ4zlhe1cU6KwUGZcWgtrsonE7blDQCgiV10 pIdR+dR6tGlQQ8LNB2oB1O0= =CfMe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What is this garbage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, so how might I setup procmailrc to have any/all messages from this IP be dumped into /dev/null? Since sending my message to the list, I have received 8 more of these damn things in my trash folder. praedor On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:03 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:58 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Is someone trying to use me as a relay? Is this just some badly designed spam that contains nothing and is getting past spamassassin on my system? It is badly designed spam. The IP address in the received header is in spamcop as a spam source. - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/krsdb1CLurEA6xURAsn0AKCCchAMNhlMLlN9uY5Csv9Jqq3CTgCgiE/v YgLao5+klpL0j3Qcf9O4BQQ= =ELo5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What is this garbage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you. Unfortunately, for some reason it isn't working. These messages are coming into my inbox from my fetchmail-daemon (From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and for whatever reason it appears that they are sidestepping procmail. I added the entry you indicated and am still getting them into my local inbox. Perhaps a recipe for procmail to check the body of the message for the IP address and any mention of viagra? If so, how does one do this with procmail? praedor On Sunday 19 October 2003 11:43 am, Todd Lyons wrote: Praedor Atrebates wanted us to know: Received: from 24.61.30.135 (HELO 67.164.237.213) (24.61.30.135) by mta154.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:52:58 -0700 OK, so how might I setup procmailrc to have any/all messages from this IP be dumped into /dev/null? Since sending my message to the list, I have received 8 more of these damn things in my trash folder. :0 * ^Received.*24\.61\.30\.135 /dev/null Note that I used :0 instead of :0:. The trailing colon defines locking options and since it's going to /dev/null, no need to worry about it. - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ksJJb1CLurEA6xURAu0dAJ9mtE/71QC2DuJpP97Ax6NghKvRBwCfepun Wr4RTA6XJmuXK7gtGilR3BA= =hOXP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Orinoco gold driver problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I downloaded the orinoco-0.13e drivers, patched them with the monitor patch, and replaced the default kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk orinoco drivers with them. They sort of work. If I run iwpriv I get monitor as one of the available options but trying to put the card into monitor mode fails. I can put in into ad-hoc and managed mode, just not monitor. As I have never looked at any kernel-tmb rpms...do you supply a kernel-source rpm for it as well? As soon as I install 9.2 I will want to dump the kernel and replace it with one that provides patched orinoco drivers to allow for monitor mode. The -tmb kernel sounds OK except I want some grsecurity functions activated and that means recompiling the kernel. praedor On Sunday 19 October 2003 07:22 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been trying to get kismet, the wlan sniffer, to work with my orinoco gold. There are patches available for the orinoco driver that allows it to go into monitor mode. The thing is, all the sources indicate that the default driver version in the 2.4.21 kernel series was orinoco 0.13b. The patches available are for 0.13b or later. I check my mandrake 2.4.21 kernel orinoco driver and it is version 0.13a. Why is the mandrake kernel behind the curve with regards to orinoco drivers? I cannot get my kernel orinoco driver patched to permit it to go into monitor mode (I need monitor mode to try to detect a possible wireless ISP from a long distance via a parabolic antenna). I cannot patch the 0.13a orinoco driver with ANY available orinoco patch as they are all for more up-to-date driver versions. I have tried and it totally screws up the orinoco driver. Can anyone tell me how I could go about upgrading my kernel pcmcia orinoco driver WITHOUT having to resort to pcmcia-cs and rebuilding my kernel, etc? Is there no way to upgrade the kernel's orinoco driver and then patch it? for MDK 9.1 the update kernel is 2.4.21-0.25mdk wich carries orinoco 0.13c for MDK 9.2 we hav the latest orinoco, and that sniffer patch will be in my next kernel-tmb in contribs... Regards Thomas - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kzLMb1CLurEA6xURAlr1AKCGsxnKTgcDebETuoXy9eZZD7mQOwCfWtTW C9tHmQJXk2NW7ypu3wtQBrc= =2eyj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Help please! Cannot stop this spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have receive over 100 of these today alone. Nothing i've tried with procmail recipes has worked. I cannot stop this nonsense. The from address is my own fetchmail-daemon: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering having all fetchmail-daemon emails sent to dev/null but fear the repercussions. - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kze0b1CLurEA6xURAgneAKCrjrCK439cSzwvoCs13y8hphlrYQCfUo7p 3xd7h2Y/mh7xlIGI1nafR9I= =7Qd3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Orinoco gold driver problems
I have been trying to get kismet, the wlan sniffer, to work with my orinoco gold. There are patches available for the orinoco driver that allows it to go into monitor mode. The thing is, all the sources indicate that the default driver version in the 2.4.21 kernel series was orinoco 0.13b. The patches available are for 0.13b or later. I check my mandrake 2.4.21 kernel orinoco driver and it is version 0.13a. Why is the mandrake kernel behind the curve with regards to orinoco drivers? I cannot get my kernel orinoco driver patched to permit it to go into monitor mode (I need monitor mode to try to detect a possible wireless ISP from a long distance via a parabolic antenna). I cannot patch the 0.13a orinoco driver with ANY available orinoco patch as they are all for more up-to-date driver versions. I have tried and it totally screws up the orinoco driver. Can anyone tell me how I could go about upgrading my kernel pcmcia orinoco driver WITHOUT having to resort to pcmcia-cs and rebuilding my kernel, etc? Is there no way to upgrade the kernel's orinoco driver and then patch it? praedor -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. --Krakauer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel-tmb-2.4.22.12.tmb.1mdk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, what is the tmb kernel? On Friday 17 October 2003 07:37 am, Hezekiah M. Carty wrote: [...] I completed my 9.2 iso downloads, installed, and tried out the tmb kernel, but I'm still getting the seemingly random hard lockups. I did an install from the disks, added Club, Contrib and plf sources, added [...] - -- Faith is the very antithesis of reason, injudiciousness a critical component of spiritual devotion. - --Krakauer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/j+Wqb1CLurEA6xURAgejAJwLWDC4vm4jhE9cFIea6j/gGs/CIwCdHJRL snW5FUPBa8JwHZaCSURJCEg= =i5Zt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsowaKr9sJYeTxgRAh8WAKCOIDlJUS5C3yGOQAQcPbSUgkvtLACfUubB IS5qfJ4ABPseslD87RmTwXQ= =fXZN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned that I wasted my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver (it is wasted to own a 3D accelerated card and not be able to take advantage of 3D acceleration by using the GPL driver - you might as well get a cheapo 2D-only video card). Now let me preface this next with the statement that I am NOT ranting. I am providing a very reasonable critique with the underlying implication on how to fix it... I do NOT have broadband and it is not acceptable to tie up my phoneline for the incredibly long period necessary to download a kernel source rpm (my wife is on call, our phone service in the boonies is less than perfect). If I just spent money to support Mandrake but get screwed without kernel source, then I feel I've wasted my money. I buy the CDs for convenience, to avoid useing exceedingly slow modem connections. What's the point of spending money on something that is incomplete and difficult to complete? I need the kernel source within minutes of completing the installation or my video card is garbage - as is some of my other hardware which flat-out requires kernel-source to build their drivers, which MUST be built, and some of my software, which MUST be built. Experimental kernels are garbage, in the scheme of things, and should be left for downloading only rather than be supplied on CDs. I would have to say that the multimedia kernel is also pointless given that most people don't need, nor use it. Cut this extraneous fluff to permit room for rather critical packages. I am NOT even really ranting against experimental kernels or the multimedia kernel, etc, but I am saying that their importance is small relative to more important items like kernel source (from which you can build your multimedia kernel if you wish and do not want to download such a binary rpm). I am merely ranking things in order of importance considering limited resources (CDs). If space is limited, then you make cuts to cover the most ground with the most efficiency. Now I hope I am wrong and that when my paid-for CDs come I find kernel source on them. If not, then Mandrake is simply leaving a bad taste in my mouth and causing what would otherwise be a simple install to become problematic. POTENTIALLY (not certain as I do not have the CDs yet) more problem than it is worth given all the factors I must consider. Get real here. There are a bunch of kernel rpms supplied that are just not critical right off the bat (experimental, multimedia). Dump them if space is a premium and have those who want them download them...why should this minority of users who actually use these kernels receive more consideration (given the CD limitations) than most users who do not use them? Now I do base this criticism upon what I am reading in the thread about missing kernel source. Is this the limit for those downloading base iso's? Or is it true for those of us who shell out for official CDs too? If it is the former...I am less upset though I think my logic (ranking what is really important vs what is nice) holds. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:47 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 19:41): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. It is supplied, just not on the CD:s, head over to the ftp mirrors and grab it there... and as far as GPL go, It has been stated before, you don't need to ship the sourcecode with your rpms, _only_ make them easy available, wich they are... - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jtEoaKr9sJYeTxgRApMoAJ9SqZnFXtFsApgkw9+EbCvC8xmHgQCfWFz0 rZ0ExqnT3hpvqcH/XxRTZ10= =4EZK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A bit more information and I am no longer prepared to be T'd off when I get my CDs. I see that the bare-bones, 3CD iso download addition is what is missing the kernel source, not what I ordered (nor what anyone paid for). Given this, it is still not unreasonable to NOT include the any experimental kernel, multimedia kernel, enterprise kernel, smp kernel, etc, IF that is what it takes to get something as basic as the kernel-source onto the first 3 CDs. Have the others available for download separately as it is a relative few that use them as compared to those with NVidia video cards and the like (those who need to rebuild the kernel or build drivers that depend on the kernel source). This is simply something that should be reconsidered for future releases as a way to optimize for functionality given limited space. As I paid for the powerpack addition, I am no longer concerned with being without the kernel-source on one of the CDs. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 12:11 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned that I wasted my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver (it is wasted to own a 3D accelerated card and not be able to take advantage of 3D acceleration by using the GPL driver - you might as well get a cheapo 2D-only video card). Now let me preface this next with the statement that I am NOT ranting. I am providing a very reasonable critique with the underlying implication on how to fix it... I do NOT have broadband and it is not acceptable to tie up my phoneline for the incredibly long period necessary to download a kernel source rpm (my wife is on call, our phone service in the boonies is less than perfect). If I just spent money to support Mandrake but get screwed without kernel source, then I feel I've wasted my money. I buy the CDs for convenience, to avoid useing exceedingly slow modem connections. What's the point of spending money on something that is incomplete and difficult to complete? I need the kernel source within minutes of completing the installation or my video card is garbage - as is some of my other hardware which flat-out requires kernel-source to build their drivers, which MUST be built, and some of my software, which MUST be built. Experimental kernels are garbage, in the scheme of things, and should be left for downloading only rather than be supplied on CDs. I would have to say that the multimedia kernel is also pointless given that most people don't need, nor use it. Cut this extraneous fluff to permit room for rather critical packages. I am NOT even really ranting against experimental kernels or the multimedia kernel, etc, but I am saying that their importance is small relative to more important items like kernel source (from which you can build your multimedia kernel if you wish and do not want to download such a binary rpm). I am merely ranking things in order of importance considering limited resources (CDs). If space is limited, then you make cuts to cover the most ground with the most efficiency. Now I hope I am wrong and that when my paid-for CDs come I find kernel source on them. If not, then Mandrake is simply leaving a bad taste in my mouth and causing what would otherwise be a simple install to become problematic. POTENTIALLY (not certain as I do not have the CDs yet) more problem than it is worth given all the factors I must consider. Get real here. There are a bunch of kernel rpms supplied that are just not critical right off the bat (experimental, multimedia). Dump them if space is a premium and have those who want them download them...why should this minority of users who actually use these kernels receive more consideration (given the CD limitations) than most users who do not use them? Now I do base this criticism upon what I am reading in the thread about missing kernel source. Is this the limit for those downloading base iso's? Or is it true for those of us who shell out for official CDs too? If it is the former...I am less upset though I think my logic (ranking what is really important vs what is nice) holds. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:47 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 19:41): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL
[expert] Any way to alter konqueror's default window size?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I recently bought a big, flat-screen monitor which has an optimal resolution of 1280 x 1024. At this resolution, konqueror's default window size is a bit smallish and, unfortunately and unlike konsole, resizing it manually to a certain size is not remembered for subsequent openings. Is there a way to increase the default window size of konqueror? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/juIfaKr9sJYeTxgRAmwCAJ9/OiC3wmAE7pvPfwcwAS0g48VOUACbBY1A 9Q2Mpg/MIQeTGDOwqIyjVjo= =hueS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Any way to alter konqueror's default window size?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gee-aw. Such a simple thing. Now I feel REALLY stupid for not looking around the options a bit more. As for the monitor, it is OK (NEC 17 1760-or-something with 18ms pixel refresh). I had thought I would hold out until the organic displays came available, thinking that it would be this year or next but it appears it will be a couple years at least before they are widely available and then the prices will be likely be monstrous for a while. The NEC handles games OK but the backlighting vs emission of a monitor does leave something to be desired in dark game situations. Other than that, nice and sharp and, best of all, lower power consumption and lots of regained desktop realestate. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 01:32 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: Congrats on your new monitor! Under the settings menu is an option called Save View Profile something Make the window the size you want it and then select that setting. Now select the checkbox that says save window size in profile and hit save. You're done! David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Praedor Atrebates Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:23 PM To: Mandrake Expert Subject: [expert] Any way to alter konqueror's default window size? I recently bought a big, flat-screen monitor which has an optimal resolution of 1280 x 1024. At this resolution, konqueror's default window size is a bit smallish and, unfortunately and unlike konsole, resizing it manually to a certain size is not remembered for subsequent openings. Is there a way to increase the default window size of konqueror? praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jvu9aKr9sJYeTxgRAgHOAJ91Q9BAnpVZYxF98JRZuwXx23WWCACgoStD PXR+QU6TRYszshi0ogk3FUc= =5l6M -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] More postfix testing...help?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As it would be dangerous to make a broad request and potentially fill up my inbox with helpful replies, I direct this to a few specific individuals: James Sparenberg, Bryan Phinney, and Jack Coates. I request that the three of you send me a simple reply to this list posting, directed to my email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and not the list. I have tried sending myself a few emails (from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I SEE the messages transmit in gkrellm and in my syslog. All goes well but on that score but I never ever see them come back to me when fetchmail downloads from yahoo.com. I am wondering if there is a problem with my procmail setup, or postfix. I have also, on a few ocassions, seen a message arrive in my syslog (tail -f /var/log/syslog), see that it has been passed to procmail which then passes it to spamd. I see that spamassassin assigns it a number lower than my required setting for it to be identified as spam which means it should make it to my /var/spool/mail/praedor mailbox. It doesn't. It vanishes into the ether. I had two entries in /etc/procmailrc. The first was a list of emails/list addresses that were not to be passed to spamd. Any addresses not matching the list were passed to spamd for processing. This seemed to work, and it certainly does on my laptop, but it doesn't on my desktop (vanishing messages that are not spam being lost, perhaps dumped into /dev/null). I have since eliminated the specific procmailrc entry that would move mails identified as spam to /dev/null but the problem remains. My own email address (yahoo.com) is not in the do-not-process-through-spamd list so it should come in, go through spamd, not get tagged as spam, and end up in my local inbox. No joy. It fails to behave this way. I ask the above individuals (even just one of you would be fine) to send a reply to me directly at my yahoo address and let me know you have done so in the expert list so I will know. Hopefully it will arrive in my inbox as it should. I would appreciate the help, praedor - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jVX8b1CLurEA6xURAioeAJ0cnI0fbYykcJN4PF7Y1WI/M8q/aACdHOEw m5AK19JsxOR+oW3vv0fe2yc= =5NfL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] More postfix testing...help?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you. I am still waiting for it to appear (it's taking its sweet time). I'll give it a while before I assume it vanished into nowhere). On Wednesday 15 October 2003 09:17 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:13 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: As it would be dangerous to make a broad request and potentially fill up my inbox with helpful replies, I direct this to a few specific individuals: James Sparenberg, Bryan Phinney, and Jack Coates. I request that the three of you send me a simple reply to this list posting, directed to my email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and not the list. I have sent you the requested email reply. - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jVsHb1CLurEA6xURAhqlAJ9+9U5DkqIdqiocg3kBFfkIDxkOEQCeOqUy /05yejVJgRLvMMw2KC7DvuU= =i0JM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Vanishing mail, postfix, procmail, or spamassassin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK Bryan, your message has still not arrived and I see no sign of it in my syslogs so I think it is either bogged down on the net somewhere or has simply vanished. Here is an excerpt from my syslog indicating the arrival of two messages, neither of which has made it to my inbox: Oct 15 10:46:26 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29492]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 15 10:46:27 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29492]: 22791831: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 15 10:46:27 stonekeep postfix/cleanup[29494]: 22791831: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oct 15 10:46:27 stonekeep postfix/nqmgr[6657]: 22791831: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=5498, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep spamd[1910]: connection from localhost [127.0.0.1] at port 36976 Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep spamd[29499]: info: setuid to root succeeded Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep spamd[29499]: Still running as root: user not specified with -u, not found, or set to root. Fall back to nobody. Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep spamd[29499]: processing message [EMAIL PROTECTED] for root:65534. Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep spamd[29499]: clean message (0.3/5.0) for root:65534 in 0.1 seconds, 5567 bytes. Oct 15 09:46:27 stonekeep postfix/local[29496]: 22791831: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN) Oct 15 10:46:27 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29492]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] This is an excerpt showing an expert list message arriving that DOES make it to me: Oct 15 10:37:09 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29332]: connect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 15 10:37:09 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29332]: 415DE831: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Oct 15 10:37:09 stonekeep postfix/cleanup[29333]: 415DE831: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oct 15 10:37:09 stonekeep postfix/nqmgr[6657]: 415DE831: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=4102, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 09:37:09 stonekeep postfix/local[29334]: 415DE831: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN) Oct 15 10:37:09 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[29332]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] The lost messages are no where on my system. Not in root mailboxes, not in mine, not in any other possible. Where did they go? - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jWRTb1CLurEA6xURAsV+AJ4gQzu1B4FitIyV8NYSXkjLwP1fAACfVShy hjis6zrKs55Qt1/2MqZOA/8= =qb/O -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] My procmailrc - any problems with this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just do not ever see messages that pass through spamassassin regardless of whether they are spam or not. My current /etc/procmailrc contains: - --- :0: * !email address * !list address * !etc, etc * 256000 | spamc -f - It did have an additional entry that would check the mail headers for X-Spam-Status: Yes and pass such messages to /dev/null. I have eliminated it for now on the assumption that for some reason it wasn't work as intended and was passing ALL spamassassin-processed messages to /dev/null. It's removal has changed nothing, however, as I still fail to see any messages that come in and get passed through spamassassin. WHY?! I see, for instance, in my syslog an incoming message getting passed from fetchmail to postfix to procmail to spamd. I see it get assigned a number like 2.5 or - -100.5, etc, but it never arrives in my inbox (kmail) which is polling /var/spool/mail/praedor every couple minutes. Where is the message going? - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jWcKb1CLurEA6xURAjKgAJ4vNlk0D2VB9Dj7a+tKU+hIehzUtACg0GST W82XyvPjJVt8z4+x1FHRhsU= =3wnx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Vanishing mail, postfix, procmail, or spamassassin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks Bryan. It arrived (in my logs only). I have not actually seen it and cannot see it. I do NOT understand what the deal is here. My syslog for your last direct email: Oct 15 11:54:02 stonekeep postfix/cleanup[31348]: E25CD831: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oct 15 11:54:02 stonekeep postfix/nqmgr[31222]: E25CD831: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1540, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 15 10:54:02 stonekeep spamd[1910]: connection from localhost [127.0.0.1] at port 37327 Oct 15 10:54:02 stonekeep spamd[31355]: info: setuid to root succeeded Oct 15 10:54:02 stonekeep spamd[31355]: Still running as root: user not specified with -u, not found, or set to root. Fall back to nobody. Oct 15 10:54:02 stonekeep spamd[31355]: processing message [EMAIL PROTECTED] for root:65534. Oct 15 10:54:03 stonekeep spamd[31355]: clean message (0.0/5.0) for root:65534 in 0.1 seconds, 1666 bytes. Oct 15 10:54:03 stonekeep postfix/local[31349]: E25CD831: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=1, status=sent (|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN) Oct 15 11:54:03 stonekeep postfix/smtpd[31347]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] So, it arrived and passed through spamd as it should. It was cleared as nonspam (0.0/5.0). It doesn't exist after this on my system. praedor - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jW5xb1CLurEA6xURAhOJAJ0dZsKvxAtuDvW02FyA6VHKX19LIgCgtnr+ vhBBAGpu9Ae8Wg0w9JXjLHY= =BQ1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Vanishing mail, postfix, procmail, or spamassassin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There were no spamassassin processes running when I did ps -A so it would appear not to be a logjam there. I also altered my procmailrc file slightely as you suggest, starting with :0f instead of :0: and adding the full path to spamc. We'll see. On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:59 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:57 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Thanks Bryan. It arrived (in my logs only). I have not actually seen it and cannot see it. I do NOT understand what the deal is here. [...] So, it arrived and passed through spamd as it should. It was cleared as nonspam (0.0/5.0). It doesn't exist after this on my system. Do a ps -A and see how many SA threads you have running currently. With the lockfile, it is possible that processing is just tied up trying to process the message and it is never being released back to Postfix for delivery. - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jXJNb1CLurEA6xURAuf7AKCs53rE1jFVDLa46eoeupS7dkHwGQCfQe3y +gPEil6hgbJ8UyP/HZL99zE= =1izT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Vanishing mail, postfix, procmail, or spamassassin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, the changes appear to have fixed things. I am actually receiving emails again from other than the expert list or other members of my do-not-process list. The lost messages are still lost but at least I'll (apparently) receive future ones. Thanks Bryan and Jack. praedor On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:14 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: There were no spamassassin processes running when I did ps -A so it would appear not to be a logjam there. I also altered my procmailrc file slightely as you suggest, starting with :0f instead of :0: and adding the full path to spamc. We'll see. On Wednesday 15 October 2003 10:59 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:57 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Thanks Bryan. It arrived (in my logs only). I have not actually seen it and cannot see it. I do NOT understand what the deal is here. [...] So, it arrived and passed through spamd as it should. It was cleared as nonspam (0.0/5.0). It doesn't exist after this on my system. Do a ps -A and see how many SA threads you have running currently. With the lockfile, it is possible that processing is just tied up trying to process the message and it is never being released back to Postfix for delivery. - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jXV+b1CLurEA6xURAnqTAJ0VwmfDjsOoni0vMhuJYDv/LoLM7wCeJBCl 3U96HWU6WnYiH4mWCytILdw= =xolK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Vanishing mail, postfix, procmail, or spamassassin?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There is nothing there. No locks, nothing. It would appear that however many there were (perhaps a total of 5 or 6 total, counting my numerous test messages to myself as one distinct message). My next task is to ensure that my system isn't acting as an open relay. I have assumed that Postfix doesn't do this by default (it is setup to permit relaying within my subnet - by default). I have seen several relay connections occur in my syslogs and know that none of them are really from my subnetwork. praedor On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:40 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:27 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: OK, the changes appear to have fixed things. I am actually receiving emails again from other than the expert list or other members of my do-not-process list. The lost messages are still lost but at least I'll (apparently) receive future ones. Take a look in your /var/spool/mail directory and see if you see any lockfiles there. If so, you may be able to recover the lost messages. - -- I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. Faith, being belief that isn't based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion. - --Richard Dawkins Key fingerprint = D6F9 8682 2257 2871 10C6 DB92 6F50 8BBA B100 EB15 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jX4gb1CLurEA6xURAtd+AKDN+MGgyEMIwTzcLmSBlGbfpVeBEQCeJ+fl KvlH5Hb4L2PyRS6wrh2wu4o= =6e2+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] testing - problems with postfix?
test I suddenly can no longer send emails from my local mailserver. Is THIS getting through? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Help! Something's wack with my mailserver
All was fine for a while. I run postfix, procmail, and fetchmail on my local box (stonekeep.ravenhome.net). I was able to send emails without problem to myself, to the list, wherever. Now, all I get are deferred messages and timeouts on any smtp server I try to connect to...or nameserver problems: What follows is what happens when I try to send an email to myself (from stonekeep to my yahoo address): Oct 14 20:58:49 stonekeep postfix/smtp[3083]: CF25F846: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (Name service error for name=yahoo.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) What the hell?! Trying to send to the expert list produces: Oct 14 20:59:55 stonekeep postfix/smtp[3083]: 7AE61848: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (Name service error for name=linux-mandrake.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) yahoo.com and linux-mandrake.com are both valid so what's the deal? Since I can ping both and, of course, both resolve properly, what is postfix's problem here? How do I fix this? praedor __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! Something's wack with my mailserver
A little more info from my syslog, showing what happens when I try a test message to myself (to my yahoo account): Oct 14 21:07:50 stonekeep postfix/smtp[3396]: 208C882E: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=none, delay=3849, status=deferred (connect to mx4.mail.yahoo.com[66.218.86.253]: Network is unreachable) Oct 14 21:07:50 stonekeep postfix/smtp[3398]: connect to mx2.mail.yahoo.com[64.156.215.6]: Connection timed out (port 25) Oct 14 21:07:50 stonekeep postfix/smtp[3398]: connect to mx1.mail.yahoo.com[64.156.215.5]: Network is unreachable (port 25) What's with the timeouts? I get the same thing for messages sent from my local box to the expert list. I can only send messages now if I go to the yahoo web interface. Local-sent messages timeout in every single case as above so I end up with a growing deferred mail list. Any ideas? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
