[expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used. I'm stuck with having to use a patched kernel 2.4.17-20mdk, but unlike previous kernels this wont even get past make dep It bad enough now that mandrake are using kernel 2.4.18-rc2 and calling it 2.4.17-20mdk ! What is fast dep, there's nothing listed on dependencies when loading the kernel source ? 8.2 will cause more problems when released if this is the standard so far.! So how do I get round this, I'm totally stuck make -C 3rdparty fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `fastdep'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[1]: *** [_sfdep_3rdparty] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk' make: *** [dep-files] Error 2 as all the 3rdparty section is set to no, how do I get round this one ?? I'd prefer just to take the standard kernel and just load the modules, unfortunatly I dont have a choice unless I wait til 2.4.20 comes out.. -- Best regards Richard Bown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
On Saturday 23 February 2002 04:45 am, you wrote: Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used. I can undesrtand why they'd do something like that - cooker is not a help list, per se. It's there to assist with the distro development, not solve general problems for regular users. And posting in all caps is considered shouting, so that may get you ignored as well. And, as a general rule, posts with help' scattered liberally throughout the Subject line tend to be from people who haven't read the man page or the docs, haven't searched the list archives, haven't done a web search, and in general haven't expended any effort o their own behalf to solve their own problem. We're all guilt of that at times becase the effort to reserach a solution may be disproportionate to the problem itself and it is easier to tap a guru on the shoulder and get a quick answer. And all this is not to belittle your request for help. If your problem is really with a cooker kernel and a problem trying to recomplie the current cooker kernel because of some problem with it, re-state your request and ask the cooker list (without shouting HELP). But if the problem appears to be operator error and not a cooker problem, you'll likely not get an answer. I haven't complied a kernel in a few years, but from what you posted, it looks like you're having a dependency problem with the 3rd party apps, even if you deselect them all in the config file. Try moving the /usr/src/linux/3rdparty directory somewhere else and see what happens and use make distclean or make mrproper (I forget which one is appropriate it's been so long, so you'll have to look that one up). If you still have trouble and need to use a ptached kernel, try patching the official kernel sources and not the already heavily patched Mandrake sources. I never had much luck tryng to patch them. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
On Saturday 23 February 2002 07:56 am, you wrote: On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 12:27, Hoyt wrote: I haven't complied a kernel in a few years, but from what you posted, it looks like you're having a dependency problem with the 3rd party apps, even if you deselect them all in the config file. Try moving the /usr/src/linux/3rdparty directory somewhere else and see what happens and use make distclean or make mrproper (I forget which one is appropriate it's been so long, so you'll have to look that one up). I tried moving the 3rdparty directory, all that happens there is that make config, or make xconfig fail on startup as that directory is used. Then you'll have to try something else. As for posting to the cooker list I cant due to some obnoxios premadonna who dos'nt like the word help being used. Not using the word HELP in the subject line seems to be the way to go then. They've patched the mandrake kernel so much there is only a handfull of people now, that can successfully compile it...,thats not development . Can you compile the unaltered Mandrake sources? If so, then it's what you are doing or the incompatability of the patch (to mandrake sources) that is the problem. the process of development is to product a stable working product, and not to have a private little club. No, it's to have a working product the way the Mandrake developers want it. If you want something different, you're on your owm -- that choice is what Linux and free software are all about. My advice? Patch the generic kernel sources. If that fails, double-check your methodology and if your methodology is correct, contact the person who wrote the patch. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
On 23 Feb 2002, richard wrote: Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used. I'm stuck with having to use a patched kernel 2.4.17-20mdk, but unlike previous kernels this wont even get past make dep It bad enough now that mandrake are using kernel 2.4.18-rc2 and calling it 2.4.17-20mdk ! What is fast dep, there's nothing listed on dependencies when loading the kernel source ? 8.2 will cause more problems when released if this is the standard so far.! So how do I get round this, I'm totally stuck make -C 3rdparty fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `fastdep'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[1]: *** [_sfdep_3rdparty] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk' make: *** [dep-files] Error 2 Try this: cd to your linux source directory copy your .config file elsewhere cp .config /tmp/config Make the sources pristine with make mrproper Restore the config cp /tmp/config .config make oldconfig make dep make clean Then try to rebuild with make bzImage Many times errors are caused by not cleaning out everything from scratch. There may be cruft left in from one of the developers that's causing your build to fail. as all the 3rdparty section is set to no, how do I get round this one ?? I'd prefer just to take the standard kernel and just load the modules, unfortunatly I dont have a choice unless I wait til 2.4.20 comes out.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 13:29, Hoyt wrote: On I tried moving the 3rdparty directory, all that happens there is that make config, or make xconfig fail on startup as that directory is used. Then you'll have to try something else. suggest then ? Can you compile the unaltered Mandrake sources? If so, then it's what you are doing or the incompatability of the patch (to mandrake sources) that is the problem. last kernel that compiled was 2.4.16 without problems 2.4.17-20mdk fails on make dep on the 3rdparty section, so its not the patch I added. the process of development is to product a stable working product, and not to have a private little club. No, it's to have a working product the way the Mandrake developers want it. If you want something different, you're on your owm -- that choice is what Linux and free software are all about. My advice? Patch the generic kernel sources. If that fails, double-check your methodology and if your methodology is correct, contact the person who wrote the patch. I'm downloading the generic kernel now, and compiled it. The 3rdparty section is a mandrake addon, screwup, whatever. Is it too much to ask who ever put patched that on to the generic kernel how to compile it . If the mandrake kernel gurus add something, they should at least support it. As I said this should have been posted to cooker, but they dont like to sort out the mess they make, and block mailing. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Best regards Richard Bown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
On Saturday 23 February 2002 10:39 am, you wrote: suggest then ? None. Can you compile the unaltered Mandrake sources? If so, then it's what you are doing or the incompatability of the patch (to mandrake sources) that is the problem. last kernel that compiled was 2.4.16 without problems 2.4.17-20mdk fails on make dep on the 3rdparty section, so its not the patch I added. the process of development is to product a stable working product, and not to have a private little club. No, it's to have a working product the way the Mandrake developers want it. If you want something different, you're on your owm -- that choice is what Linux and free software are all about. My advice? Patch the generic kernel sources. If that fails, double-check your methodology and if your methodology is correct, contact the person who wrote the patch. I'm downloading the generic kernel now, and compiled it. The 3rdparty section is a mandrake addon, screwup, whatever. Is it too much to ask who ever put patched that on to the generic kernel how to compile it . Well, the trick is to find out what was cjanged to make teh patch no longer work. I've had that problem with Win4Lin patches against the Mandrake kernel. If the mandrake kernel gurus add something, they should at least support it. They just don't seem to be supporting what _you_ want. Big difference. As I said this should have been posted to cooker, but they dont like to sort out the mess they make, and block mailing. Have they blocked all _your_ posts or just the ones with HELP in it? If so, then just repost, but use less confrontational language and: 1. Tell them what you are trying to do (give them a link to the patch). 2. Tell them how you've done it. 3. Tell them what happened 4. Tell them what steps you've taken to try to solve the problem. 5. Remember that they _owe_ you nothing. Good luck. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
thanks for the advice but I already use make mrproper, ansd always use make clean after make dep. This is a mandrake thing, they have added a 3rdparty section, which I cant even past make dep, thats where it fails, I've downloaded the generic kernel patched rc4 and the netrom patch, and it builds and the modules build. There are a few thing in the mdk kernel which make it usefull ie supermount, and thats why I'd rather use it. but it s getting right up my nose the way the demi gods put something in a kernel and dont support it.. it fails every time when trying to make dep at this point make -C 3rdparty fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `fastdep'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[1]: *** [_sfdep_3rdparty] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk' make: *** [dep-files] Error 2 On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 14:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 Feb 2002, richard wrote: Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used. I'm stuck with having to use a patched kernel 2.4.17-20mdk, but unlike previous kernels this wont even get past make dep It bad enough now that mandrake are using kernel 2.4.18-rc2 and calling it 2.4.17-20mdk ! What is fast dep, there's nothing listed on dependencies when loading the kernel source ? 8.2 will cause more problems when released if this is the standard so far.! So how do I get round this, I'm totally stuck make -C 3rdparty fastdep make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `fastdep'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk/3rdparty' make[1]: *** [_sfdep_3rdparty] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.17-20mdk' make: *** [dep-files] Error 2 Try this: cd to your linux source directory copy your .config file elsewhere cp .config /tmp/config Make the sources pristine with make mrproper Restore the config cp /tmp/config .config make oldconfig make dep make clean Then try to rebuild with make bzImage Many times errors are caused by not cleaning out everything from scratch. There may be cruft left in from one of the developers that's causing your build to fail. as all the 3rdparty section is set to no, how do I get round this one ?? I'd prefer just to take the standard kernel and just load the modules, unfortunatly I dont have a choice unless I wait til 2.4.20 comes out.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Best regards Richard Bown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] HELP HELP HELP REPOSTED AGAIN
Just a short comment, if your subject is vauge then you won't get much in the way of responses. Having a subject of Help doesn't say anything. Most, like myself, get a couple hundred emails a day. How we manage is to look at the subject. If its somethig we can help with we open it. If not or if we can''t figure out what it is about, we hit the delete key and move on. Don't get P*** at a list if you don't make the subject obvious. Just my opinion. Ron richard wrote: Hi All I can see why people get so p*** off with lists, especially cooker which your mail gets blocked if the word help is used. I'm stuck with having to use a patched kernel 2.4.17-20mdk, but unlike previous kernels this wont even get past make dep === Ron Marriage Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/ Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html Linux http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/ Email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
