Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: They looked OK, so I sent it. It was done with a quick and dirty script I wrote. Apparently the script was a bit too dirty. :-) This email implements the same result with a different script. Is this better? (They again look OK here.) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you *are* the sucker. - Mike McDermott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: They looked OK, so I sent it. It was done with a quick and dirty script I wrote. Apparently the script was a bit too dirty. :-) This email implements the same result with a different script. Is this better? (They again look OK here.) Sorry about the blank reply, I hit the wrong key ... embarrased grimace Well, it's an improvement, as at least the address is now correct. The placing of the name in the To: header, overriding what the OP had there, is still a bit disconcerting though (notice how it was picked up by Pine for use in the reply - because the address is the same as appears in the Reply-To: - so it looks as if I'm replying to myself), but it could be argued that I'm just a curmudgeon as regards this sort of thing. :) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you *are* the sucker. - Mike McDermott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 15:36, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 07:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: Hello Bill, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote: BM rantmode=list-Nazi BM BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to set it when I recently subscribed. I can't turn it off, but can set it to the right address. How's this test? Not so hot - that's one weird mail client you've got there ... Here's exactly how the Reply-To: header appeared in that post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net I'll agree, What is the client? According to his headers, it's The Bat. It's a Win32 app, IIRC. ahh... that's why it wasn't anything I knew Gotta be better than OL-Excuse. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[3]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 22:20, rikona wrote: Hello rikona, Friday, September 19, 2003, 10:03:09 PM, you wrote: r Is this better? (They again look OK here.) It now looks OK, to me at least. Maybe the new script is better. :-) if the list gets this it's perfect Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
rikona rikona schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:56:43 -0700: Good idea. Perhaps there could be a repository for press releases showing how useful Mandrake can be for some application. For example, suppose there were several releases showing how school X, Y Z saved a lot of money by using Mandrake instead of another OS. Although local users would have to do some legwork, it might be necessary for Mandrake to supply some contact support to be credible with the publisher. Look at http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/ Is that what you were talking about? wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On September 19, 2003 12:08 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: rikona rikona schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:56:43 -0700: Good idea. Perhaps there could be a repository for press releases showing how useful Mandrake can be for some application. For example, suppose there were several releases showing how school X, Y Z saved a lot of money by using Mandrake instead of another OS. Although local users would have to do some legwork, it might be necessary for Mandrake to supply some contact support to be credible with the publisher. Look at http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/ Is that what you were talking about? wobo That's one good place. But for a quicky sales thing it needs to be distilled a little bit. Not only to show that people can make/save money using MDK, a lot of small buisnesses think of saving first, but also on stablilty, performance, ease of use and maintenance and so on. It's a lovely start though :) ttfn John (who might be contributing soon to that page :) ) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
John Wilson schrieb am Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:17:34 -0700: Look at http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/ Is that what you were talking about? That's one good place. But for a quicky sales thing it needs to be distilled a little bit. Not only to show that people can make/save money using MDK, a lot of small buisnesses think of saving first, but also on stablilty, performance, ease of use and maintenance and so on. The site was primariliy meant as a help source for IT people who need more ammo to present the virtues of Mandrake Linux to their bosses. A good task would be to destill a mere list of companies/edus/govs who are using Mandrake Linux and rub that under every nose you can find. But I think one could generate a nice paper out of this bizcases page together with corporation related news flashes from the news page (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/fnews.php3). wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello Bill, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote: BM rantmode=list-Nazi BM BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to set it when I recently subscribed. I can't turn it off, but can set it to the right address. How's this test? -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello Wolfgang, Friday, September 19, 2003, 12:08:55 AM, you wrote: WB Look at http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/ WB Is that what you were talking about? Not quite. I was thinking of a Public Relations style writeup, in a style designed to attract a publication to write a story about Mandrake. These PR pieces have a certain format. The idea is to write it in a way that would be similar to what would be a story in the paper/magazine (write it for them, they'll take the credit). It has to be written in a way to be interesting, as a story. Users could download it and send it to some publication - they would, in effect, be part of your PR department. The user would send Mandrake a contact report before sending out the PR piece. However, it will be very important to have some contact at Mandrake available, and this contact should be immediately available to talk to. No call-backs here. I'm certainly not an expert on this, but I have seen how effective it can be in getting exposure to interesting, well-written ideas. If done well, you can get exposure in major publications. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: Hello Bill, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote: BM rantmode=list-Nazi BM BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to set it when I recently subscribed. I can't turn it off, but can set it to the right address. How's this test? Not so hot - that's one weird mail client you've got there ... Here's exactly how the Reply-To: header appeared in that post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net What's more, it changed beginning of the subject line from Re: to Re[2]: ... I've never seen *that* one happen before. Lastly, the To: header had my name, but the list's address; perhaps that mailer app just doesn't comprehend mailing lists very well? -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you *are* the sucker. - Mike McDermott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 07:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: Hello Bill, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote: BM rantmode=list-Nazi BM BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to set it when I recently subscribed. I can't turn it off, but can set it to the right address. How's this test? Not so hot - that's one weird mail client you've got there ... Here's exactly how the Reply-To: header appeared in that post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net I'll agree, What is the client? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 07:57, Bill Mullen wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: Hello Bill, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:49:06 PM, you wrote: BM rantmode=list-Nazi BM BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header Thanks for the reminder. I forgot to set it when I recently subscribed. I can't turn it off, but can set it to the right address. How's this test? Not so hot - that's one weird mail client you've got there ... Here's exactly how the Reply-To: header appeared in that post: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net I'll agree, What is the client? According to his headers, it's The Bat. It's a Win32 app, IIRC. -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you *are* the sucker. - Mike McDermott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello Bill, Friday, September 19, 2003, 7:57:36 AM, you wrote: How's this test? BM Not so hot - that's one weird mail client you've got there ... Apparently so. Bats are weird, I guess. :-) BM Here's exactly how the Reply-To: header appeared in that post: BM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net Hmmm... Here are the headers I saw that were supposedly outgoing: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:28:10 -0700 From: rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They looked OK, so I sent it. It was done with a quick and dirty script I wrote. Apparently the script was a bit too dirty. :-) This email implements the same result with a different script. Is this better? (They again look OK here.) BM What's more, it changed beginning of the subject line from Re: to BM Re[2]: ... I've never seen *that* one happen before. TheBat has a default counter that keeps track of the replies and puts the count in the header. If it's an annoyance, I can shut it off. BM Lastly, the To: header had my name, but the list's address; perhaps that BM mailer app just doesn't comprehend mailing lists very well? Another option in TheBat. For lists, it is nice because it flags the sender, but the email still goes to the right place. By just looking at the To: header you can easily see who on the list it is sent to. If it's an annoyance, I can shut it off. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello Bill, Friday, September 19, 2003, 3:36:47 PM, you wrote: BM According to his headers, it's The Bat. It's a Win32 app, IIRC. Yep. It's actually a great client - uses NO M$ components, even for HTML. It's very good for security and privacy. Not free, but the best one for Win, IMHO, and well worth the modest cost. I would recommend it for anyone who, for one reason or another, MUST use a M$ OS. The curious can check it out at http://www.ritlabs.com/ . -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[3]: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello rikona, Friday, September 19, 2003, 10:03:09 PM, you wrote: r Is this better? (They again look OK here.) It now looks OK, to me at least. Maybe the new script is better. :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
Hello James, Thursday, September 18, 2003, 10:28:37 AM, you wrote: JS Now the horn tooting would come in the form of free press. Press JS Releases. Letters to users on websites. Good idea. Perhaps there could be a repository for press releases showing how useful Mandrake can be for some application. For example, suppose there were several releases showing how school X, Y Z saved a lot of money by using Mandrake instead of another OS. Although local users would have to do some legwork, it might be necessary for Mandrake to supply some contact support to be credible with the publisher. Schools might be good leverage for widening the Mandrake base. Many schools are trying to get semi-new computers because the older ones can't run the newer versions of Windoze. A few releases showing how Mandrake can be used instead might be of great interest to many cash -strapped schools. On the ads in MD, I would find a REALLY useful or interesting ad to be worthwhile. I might even choose to install it if it was good enough, and the ads were optional. Trouble is, it is often quite expensive to produce something quite good. Are there any things that might be useful that could be converted into 'ads' good enough to choose? -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How users can help Mandrake (semi hijack)
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, rikona wrote: Good idea. Perhaps there could be a repository for press releases showing how useful Mandrake can be for some application. For example, suppose there were several releases showing how school X, Y Z saved a lot of money by using Mandrake instead of another OS. Although local users would have to do some legwork, it might be necessary for Mandrake to supply some contact support to be credible with the publisher. Well, it's not exactly press releases, but anyone looking for a plethora of Mandrake success stories has no further to search than this site full of endorsements from a wide variety of business-level MDK users: http://www.mandrakebizcases.com rantmode=list-Nazi BTW, please unset your Reply-To: header for mails going to this list. The list software adds its own, so that replies go to the list by default (as they should), but for some reason it won't override an explicit setting, if one already exists in a message. Thanks. :) /rantmode -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you *are* the sucker. - Mike McDermott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
