Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 12:29 am, Bill Mullen wrote: On Friday 18 July 2003 04:38 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I'll try to help, with two caveats: I'm not a regular Kmail user (actually, I just set it up to see what you may see ... it's not half bad these days g), and also I'm running 9.0 w/ KDE 3.05a, so what you see may differ somewhat from what I describe anyway. But throwing caution to the wind, and taking the whole procedure as if it were being done from scratch (for clarity's sake), here goes nothing ... ;) snip HTH! It certainly does. In fact there was very little difference in my settings and the ones you describe, so I'm confident now that they were fine. I think you are right, however, about the cause of the problem being new threads which are created as the local user account. I'll keep an eye on it for a day or two to see if it's sorted now. I've taken your advice about marking the separate identities with 'special transport' to ensure the right ones are used. I know that, having set certain folders to use certain identities I can force that, so it seems to me that I should avoid starting a new mail when in Inbox, ensuring that I am actually in a folder that uses the default account if that's what I want. It shouldn't take too long to get used to that g Thanks again for a very clear explanation. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 1:39 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Anne The project to get mail running across the lan has had to be postponed for a few days, but I'll get to it. Meanwhile, I am having a problem. I have some folders set up to use specific accounts, but my default 'From' is this one. For some strange reason I keep finding that mail fails to go out because it has used the local account instead of this one. I have checked the settings and the default settings haven't been changed. Anyone have any ideas what's happening? External mail just doesn't go out when it just comes from 'anne' g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Friday 18 July 2003 04:38 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I have some folders set up to use specific accounts, but my default 'From' is this one. For some strange reason I keep finding that mail fails to go out because it has used the local account instead of this one. I have checked the settings and the default settings haven't been changed. Anyone have any ideas what's happening? External mail just doesn't go out when it just comes from 'anne' g I'll try to help, with two caveats: I'm not a regular Kmail user (actually, I just set it up to see what you may see ... it's not half bad these days g), and also I'm running 9.0 w/ KDE 3.05a, so what you see may differ somewhat from what I describe anyway. But throwing caution to the wind, and taking the whole procedure as if it were being done from scratch (for clarity's sake), here goes nothing ... ;) With this incarnation of Kmail, at least, what you want to do is to first create a second Sending account (Settings - Configure Kmail - Network - Sending - Add); make it of type SMTP, give it a name like LocalSMTP, and make the host localhost. OK your way out, and ensure that the previously-existing Sending account - the one which points to your ISP's SMTP server - is still marked as (Default); if not, move it up until it is. Next, you want to create a new and separate identity (Settings - Configure Kmail - Identity - New) by duplicating the settings from your Default identity, then changing the email address (General tab) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or to anne@ the FQDN, whichever). You then move over to the Advanced tab, check the Special Transport box, and select LocalSMTP from the two choices now appearing there . This new identity can have any name you like, but pick something other than LocalSMTP, to avoid any confusion later on (just Local is fine here; we'll postulate that for now). Henceforth, any messages you send using the Default identity should use the SMTP server defined as the (Default) under Network - Sending (your ISP's), and any messages sent under the Local identity will use the LocalSMTP setting (your local Postfix server). To be absolutely sure that there is no mix-up in this regard, you can go to the Identity section of the settings window, Default identity, Advanced tab, and explicitly set the Special transport for /that/ identity to the name of the one that points to your ISP's server. Then there should be no mistake as to which mail goes out via which server in the future. You then associate individual folders with the identity you wish to use when posting from them, by right=clicking on each name in the folder list and selecting Properties, then setting that folder's preferred identity from the drop-down list. From my few minutes of experimentation, it appears that when starting a new message, it will default to using whichever identity is set for the folder you currently have open. This bears watching, because if you are in a folder which is set to use the Local identity, and wish to create a wholly new message (say, a post to this list), it will try to use the Local identity due to where you're sitting when you start the process, when you'd really rather it use the Default one this time. You'll need to switch identities (above the To: box) before sending that mail. Perhaps this last bit is at the root of the current crop of misdirected mails. Postfix can be told to send these out via your ISP's SMTP server, but you probably don't want that, as the From: address on them may be wrong. Best to just resend those, by going into your sent-mail folder, right-clicking on each, choosing Redirect, and adjusting the identity on them to the one you want to use before hitting Send. Postfix will give up trying to send the copies that it got after five days (and will tell you so when it does). To see just which messages Postfix is trying and failing to send, type mailq at a prompt; it should show you enough to determine which ones they are. HTH! -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 1:03 am, bascule wrote: i set up a receiving account in settingsconfigure kmailnetwork thse are my details: name:bascule-local location:/var/spool/mail/bascule locking method:none destination folder:system obviously i made the 'system' folder! i didn't alter anything about sending mail is this useful? Very. It was the locking method that I had got wrong - I had left it on the default 'Procmail lockfile'. I changed that, and in came all the messages from the last 2 months! Definitely easier than having to read it from the spool directory. You say you didn't change anything about sending, so does this mean that you use the same smtp that you use for your internet mail? Now the monitoring mail is sorted I need to get to grips with mail across the lan. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Internal mail
Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wednesday 16 July 2003 06:39 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Are these messages that are sent to root and forwarded to you, like system notifications? If so, you could create a folder in kmail and filter on the from address ( eg. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to sort them into that folder. Anne -- Thomas K. Gamble Los Alamos National Laboratory Advanced Diagnostics Instrumentation (C-ADI) p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 MS-E543 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:39:52 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I
Due to entries in /etc/aliases -- adjust and run newaliases if you want
to keep root stuff separate.
would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder,
Should only need to add account and/or filtering rule... I don't run
Kmail since I think sylpheed-claws is the best IMO; but a quick look
suggests you are looking for ConfigureKmail-{Identities,Network} where
you can create new identities(accounts) and servers... It's not obvious
how to tell Kmail that accountA uses serverX and accountB uses serverY;
but that's the general area...
but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible
Any valid userid can receive mail via [EMAIL PROTECTED] assuming you have
postfix or sendmail running on that machine; otherwise, you may need
fetchmail.
without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I
postfix/sendmail/fetchmail are required to accept/fetch mail into your
system for multiple users.
read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail
across our mixed lan.
Lots of resources available... what do you really want to do? Do you
have your own domain? Are you prepared to run your own mailhost? Do you
need a backup server? Wanna be your own boss when it comes to spam
handling? etc, etc... I've documented some of my postfix stuff at
http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix it that helps...
Anne
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Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 05:39, Anne Wilson wrote: Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Anne make sure that you have mailx installed, then go to /etc/aliases and add: anne[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or just set up another account in the MUA pointing to local files -- I don't recall how to do this in Kmail, but I know it used to be an option. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 2:54 pm, Pierre Fortin wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:39:52 +0100 Anne Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne.
I
Due to entries in /etc/aliases -- adjust and run newaliases if
you want to keep root stuff separate.
would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new
folder,
Should only need to add account and/or filtering rule... I don't
run Kmail since I think sylpheed-claws is the best IMO; but a quick
look suggests you are looking for
ConfigureKmail-{Identities,Network} where you can create new
identities(accounts) and servers... It's not obvious how to tell
Kmail that accountA uses serverX and accountB uses serverY; but
that's the general area...
but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it
possible
Any valid userid can receive mail via [EMAIL PROTECTED] assuming
you have postfix or sendmail running on that machine; otherwise,
you may need fetchmail.
without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should
I
postfix/sendmail/fetchmail are required to accept/fetch mail into
your system for multiple users.
read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal
mail across our mixed lan.
Lots of resources available... what do you really want to do? Do
you have your own domain? Are you prepared to run your own
mailhost? Do you need a backup server? Wanna be your own boss when
it comes to spam handling? etc, etc... I've documented some of my
postfix stuff at http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix it that helps...
Anne
Hi, Pierre.
I have kmail set up to monitor and download from 3 external mail
accounts, but when it comes to setting up the internal account I'm
stumped when it comes to entering the server. I'll read your pages
to see if I understand any better when I've done g
The messages that I'm concerned with for the moment are from msec or
cron, with headers like
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Original-To: anne
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: by anne-linux.lydgate.net (Postfix, from userid 0)
id 33863671C5; Wed, 14 May 2003 23:09:18 -0400 (EDT)
I would also like to be able to send internal mail to other users on
the lan. At the moment I have to use their address on our domain,
sending it externally, which seems silly when we could communicate
through a few walls.
I would guess that I have to actually set up a mail server on this box
to deal with it, and have others download from that, but clearly
messages are getting from msec and cron via root to me, so maybe I'm
misunderstanding.
Anne
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Re: [expert] Internal mail
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 05:39, Anne Wilson wrote: Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Anne Anne, I don't use KMail but you should be able to just set up a filter in kmail, filtering on sender that puts it into any folder you like. From a look at the product under Settings Configure Filters. It seems to be pretty standard in that respect. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail - next step
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 3:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I would also like to be able to send internal mail to other users on the lan. At the moment I have to use their address on our domain, sending it externally, which seems silly when we could communicate through a few walls. Well, I found how to set up a local mailbox in kmail, and I set sendmail as the protocol. Right? I sent the first message to a windows machine, but another Mandrake machine should be on soon, so I'll send one there too and see what happens. Next question, then. How do I set up the windows machines to be able to send/receive local mail? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail - next step
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 9:00 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 3:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I would also like to be able to send internal mail to other users on the lan. At the moment I have to use their address on our domain, sending it externally, which seems silly when we could communicate through a few walls. Well, I found how to set up a local mailbox in kmail, and I set sendmail as the protocol. Right? I sent the first message to a windows machine, but another Mandrake machine should be on soon, so I'll send one there too and see what happens. Next question, then. How do I set up the windows machines to be able to send/receive local mail? Well, you don't, exactly ... as you're already aware, Windows machines are fairly brain-dead, and you can only do so much with them. ;) What you /can/ do is to have your Mandrake system handle the local mail for everyone on the LAN, and have the Winboxes deal with that for the sending and receiving thereof. You'll need to set up users on the Mandrake box for each individual who will be receiving mail; these users do not need login privileges, and can have their default shell set to /bin/false to prevent this (can be done with Userdrake, as they are created). Pseudo-users can also be configured in the /etc/aliases file, so that sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will distribute copies to several specific users automatically. Remember to always run newaliases, then postfix reload, after changing the aliases file. To get the Winboxes to communicate with this setup, you need two things on anne-linux: a copy of Postfix that will accept mail from other IPs on the LAN, and a POP and/or IMAP server that will let those systems retrieve their mail from your system. Postfix you already have, for POP/IMAP you install the imap200* RPM from the CDs. The imap RPM installs with POP turned on by default, and the other three protocols it offers can be turned on with chkconfig: chkconfig imap on chkconfig imaps on chkconfig pop3s on (It offers a fifth protocol, POP2, but you don't need that.) After doing this, the xinetd daemon will need to be restarted (it handles starting and stopping these services when they are required). You'll also need to add a line like the following to your /etc/hosts.allow file: ALL : 192.168.0. This allows access to these services to boxes on the 192.168.0.X network. You then configure the Winboxes' mail clients by setting up accounts that point to anne-linux's IP address for both SMTP sending and POP3 (or IMAP) retrieval, with the email addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you can use the FQDN for anne-linux if you wish, but for this sort of local delivery arrangement it's not needed). These accounts on the Windows MUAs are in addition to the existing ones, not in place of them, to be clear. If I've left anything out, someone will mention it; if you have questions (or concerns I haven't addressed), let us know. This is quite doable. HTH! Thanks Bill and Pierre. It's getting late now, but I'll study both of these tomorrow and see what I can do. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail - next step
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 3:49 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I would also like to be able to send internal mail to other users on the lan. At the moment I have to use their address on our domain, sending it externally, which seems silly when we could communicate through a few walls. Well, I found how to set up a local mailbox in kmail, and I set sendmail as the protocol. Right? I sent the first message to a windows machine, but another Mandrake machine should be on soon, so I'll send one there too and see what happens. Next question, then. How do I set up the windows machines to be able to send/receive local mail? Well, you don't, exactly ... as you're already aware, Windows machines are fairly brain-dead, and you can only do so much with them. ;) What you /can/ do is to have your Mandrake system handle the local mail for everyone on the LAN, and have the Winboxes deal with that for the sending and receiving thereof. You'll need to set up users on the Mandrake box for each individual who will be receiving mail; these users do not need login privileges, and can have their default shell set to /bin/false to prevent this (can be done with Userdrake, as they are created). Pseudo-users can also be configured in the /etc/aliases file, so that sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will distribute copies to several specific users automatically. Remember to always run newaliases, then postfix reload, after changing the aliases file. To get the Winboxes to communicate with this setup, you need two things on anne-linux: a copy of Postfix that will accept mail from other IPs on the LAN, and a POP and/or IMAP server that will let those systems retrieve their mail from your system. Postfix you already have, for POP/IMAP you install the imap200* RPM from the CDs. The imap RPM installs with POP turned on by default, and the other three protocols it offers can be turned on with chkconfig: chkconfig imap on chkconfig imaps on chkconfig pop3s on (It offers a fifth protocol, POP2, but you don't need that.) After doing this, the xinetd daemon will need to be restarted (it handles starting and stopping these services when they are required). You'll also need to add a line like the following to your /etc/hosts.allow file: ALL : 192.168.0. This allows access to these services to boxes on the 192.168.0.X network. You then configure the Winboxes' mail clients by setting up accounts that point to anne-linux's IP address for both SMTP sending and POP3 (or IMAP) retrieval, with the email addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you can use the FQDN for anne-linux if you wish, but for this sort of local delivery arrangement it's not needed). These accounts on the Windows MUAs are in addition to the existing ones, not in place of them, to be clear. If I've left anything out, someone will mention it; if you have questions (or concerns I haven't addressed), let us know. This is quite doable. HTH! -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Internal mail
i set up a receiving account in settingsconfigure kmailnetwork thse are my details: name:bascule-local location:/var/spool/mail/bascule locking method:none destination folder:system obviously i made the 'system' folder! i didn't alter anything about sending mail is this useful? bascule On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 1:39 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Root is sending me messages that end up in /var/spool/mail/anne. I would like to set up KMail to bring these messages into a new folder, but don't know how to set up internal mail accounts. Is it possible without using extra services? What do I need to do? What should I read? If I can sort this out I would like to extend to internal mail across our mixed lan. Anne -- Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
