Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 11:24:29AM -0400, Stephen F. Bosch wrote: -> Charles Curley wrote: -> > -> > -> The NTFS driver works fine in Linux. The _read_ driver, that is. I -> > -> haven't tried the 2.3 writeable driver. It's marked *DANGEROUS* in the -> > -> kernel config, though, so don't use it on any volume containing anything -> > -> you can't afford to lose. -> > -> -> > -> NTFS has advantages over FAT, too: it's journaled (no filesystem checks -> > -> after a crash), it can handle volume sizes up to 4GB, it's faster, and... -> > -> hmm, well, I guess that's about it. -> > -> -> > It is, however, proprietary and undocumented, -> -> That's for extra *security* -> -> *laughs* -> -> -Stephen- Yes. Microsoft's. And that of certain programmers at Microsoft. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
Charles Curley wrote: > > -> The NTFS driver works fine in Linux. The _read_ driver, that is. I > -> haven't tried the 2.3 writeable driver. It's marked *DANGEROUS* in the > -> kernel config, though, so don't use it on any volume containing anything > -> you can't afford to lose. > -> > -> NTFS has advantages over FAT, too: it's journaled (no filesystem checks > -> after a crash), it can handle volume sizes up to 4GB, it's faster, and... > -> hmm, well, I guess that's about it. > > It is, however, proprietary and undocumented, That's for extra *security* *laughs* -Stephen-
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 08:10:50PM -0500, Matt Stegman wrote: -> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Charles Curley wrote: -> > Mess-DOS uses FAT-16, not FAT-32, so it is limited to a partition of 2 -> > GB. NT 4 with no SPs also has this problem for FAT partitions. As far as I -> > know, there is no SP for NT 4 that supports FAT-32, so you may be out of -> > luck there. -> -> That's correct. However, System Internals -> (http://www.sysinternals.com) produces a product that will let NT 4 read -> from (and write to, if you purchase the full version) FAT32 -> filesystems. You still can't use one as a boot partition, so you'll need -> at least one FAT16/NTFS filesystem. Ah, thank you. -> -> > Then install DOS on the DOS partition. Get that running. Then install NT -> > on the NT partitions. DO NOT USE NTFS. You will not be able to read NTFS -> > partitions from Linux except with an experimental driver, which may not be -> > reliable (I don't know, I haven't tried it lately). Installing NT will -> > modify the DOS partition and change its boot sequence to allow you to boot -> > to DOS or to the NT partition. -> -> The NTFS driver works fine in Linux. The _read_ driver, that is. I -> haven't tried the 2.3 writeable driver. It's marked *DANGEROUS* in the -> kernel config, though, so don't use it on any volume containing anything -> you can't afford to lose. -> -> NTFS has advantages over FAT, too: it's journaled (no filesystem checks -> after a crash), it can handle volume sizes up to 4GB, it's faster, and... -> hmm, well, I guess that's about it. It is, however, proprietary and undocumented, where FAT16 is proprietary but very well publicly documented. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Charles Curley wrote: > Mess-DOS uses FAT-16, not FAT-32, so it is limited to a partition of 2 > GB. NT 4 with no SPs also has this problem for FAT partitions. As far as I > know, there is no SP for NT 4 that supports FAT-32, so you may be out of > luck there. That's correct. However, System Internals (http://www.sysinternals.com) produces a product that will let NT 4 read from (and write to, if you purchase the full version) FAT32 filesystems. You still can't use one as a boot partition, so you'll need at least one FAT16/NTFS filesystem. > Then install DOS on the DOS partition. Get that running. Then install NT > on the NT partitions. DO NOT USE NTFS. You will not be able to read NTFS > partitions from Linux except with an experimental driver, which may not be > reliable (I don't know, I haven't tried it lately). Installing NT will > modify the DOS partition and change its boot sequence to allow you to boot > to DOS or to the NT partition. The NTFS driver works fine in Linux. The _read_ driver, that is. I haven't tried the 2.3 writeable driver. It's marked *DANGEROUS* in the kernel config, though, so don't use it on any volume containing anything you can't afford to lose. NTFS has advantages over FAT, too: it's journaled (no filesystem checks after a crash), it can handle volume sizes up to 4GB, it's faster, and... hmm, well, I guess that's about it. > I use the DOS partition for those few utilities that you have to have, > such as peripheral card configuration utilities, that only run on DOS. It's also nice, if you use NTFS for NT, to move files between Linux and NT. Everyone's compatible with FAT16, so no matter which operating systems you have, or how many, you're guaranteed to be able to share files via a FAT16 partition. -Matt Stegman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 10:18:16PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -> Hi all. -> -> Last week i bought a box with w98 preloaded. Without thinking -> about it, i took my mdk 6.1 cd (i didn't burned a 7.0 cd yet) and i -> repartitioned the HD to install linux in the PC. Obviously i deleted the -> old w98 installation. i was trying to install wnt4.0 in a separate -> partition. i had NO any problems running linux. But whatever i do, i can't -> even format correctly the fat partition. -> -> i know that lilo can't boot partitions beggining in cylinder -> greater that 1024. i made booteable the partition, i also tried hda1 to be -> the fat partition. but when i format such partition (with dos) it -> recognizes it as if its size would be 2Gb, althought it is 5Gb. After -> reboot, dos does not find c: unit. It is not that the boot partition has to begin at a cylinder less than 1024. Rather, the partition has to be entirely in cylinders less than 1024. You may want to create a small partition (15 MB is plenty) mounted as /boot such that its last cylinder is 1023 or lower. Then create other partitions as you need them. Mess-DOS uses FAT-16, not FAT-32, so it is limited to a partition of 2 GB. NT 4 with no SPs also has this problem for FAT partitions. As far as I know, there is no SP for NT 4 that supports FAT-32, so you may be out of luck there. What I would do: First build a small (30 MB) DOS 6.22 partition. Then an extended partition large enough to hold all the NT partitions I wanted. Then NT partitions as needed in the extended partition. Then another extended partition for Linux, also subdivided as needed. Just make sure that you create the boot partition first in the Linux extended partition, and that its last cylinder is 1023 or lower. Then install DOS on the DOS partition. Get that running. Then install NT on the NT partitions. DO NOT USE NTFS. You will not be able to read NTFS partitions from Linux except with an experimental driver, which may not be reliable (I don't know, I haven't tried it lately). Installing NT will modify the DOS partition and change its boot sequence to allow you to boot to DOS or to the NT partition. Then install Linux. Set LILO to boot either to the DOS partition or the Linux partition. You boot to NT by booting to DOS at the LILO prompt, then selecting NT in the NT boot loader menu. I use the DOS partition for those few utilities that you have to have, such as peripheral card configuration utilities, that only run on DOS. -- -- C^2 No windows were crashed in the making of this email. Looking for fine software and/or web pages? http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
NT4 can only make a 2G FAT partition, but it sometimes pretends otherwise. If you need more than 2G for NT you need to make it NTFS. The FAT partition created by NT4 won't format correctly with Linux, so format it with NT then install linux and tell it NOT to format the NT partition. NT will happily coexist with Mandrake, but it wants to format its own space. (Unlike 98, which wants to screw up EVERYones space). What I did to get all three on one HD is make a 7M /boot partition, then a 2G FAT, then linux / partition, then another 2G FAT. NT and 98 boot off the first 2G FAT, but NT actually lives on the second one. After I got 98 and NT installed I did Mandrakes install and it happily fixed up the MBR and added the two FAT partitions to its list. Now I can run linux or walk either of the two windows. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. > > Last week i bought a box with w98 preloaded. Without thinking > about it, i took my mdk 6.1 cd (i didn't burned a 7.0 cd yet) and i > repartitioned the HD to install linux in the PC. Obviously i deleted the > old w98 installation. i was trying to install wnt4.0 in a separate > partition. i had NO any problems running linux. But whatever i do, i can't > even format correctly the fat partition. > > i know that lilo can't boot partitions beggining in cylinder > greater that 1024. i made booteable the partition, i also tried hda1 to be > the fat partition. but when i format such partition (with dos) it > recognizes it as if its size would be 2Gb, althought it is 5Gb. After > reboot, dos does not find c: unit. > > many thanks. > > - > Claudio J. Tessone > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Departamento de Fisica- Fac. de Cs. Exactas > Calle 47 y 115. > 1900- La Plata. Bs. As. > Argentina > - > > > = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed VoiceMail/Fax: 1-651-328-1145 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Troubles With Partitions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all. > > Last week i bought a box with w98 preloaded. Without thinking > about it, i took my mdk 6.1 cd (i didn't burned a 7.0 cd yet) and i > repartitioned the HD to install linux in the PC. Obviously i deleted the > old w98 installation. i was trying to install wnt4.0 in a separate > partition. i had NO any problems running linux. But whatever i do, i can't > even format correctly the fat partition. > > i know that lilo can't boot partitions beggining in cylinder > greater that 1024. i made booteable the partition, i also tried hda1 to be > the fat partition. but when i format such partition (with dos) it > recognizes it as if its size would be 2Gb, althought it is 5Gb. After > reboot, dos does not find c: unit. You're formatting it using FAT16, which has a partition size limit of 2.1 Gb. If you want to see the howle partition, you will need to format it using a FAT32 version of format (you may even need to use FAT32 fdisk). When I set up my machine, I did NT first, and installed Linux later. I used DiskDruid to set up my Linux partitions in the remaining space. It worked fine. I never had any problems with it (and my Linux partitions are even at the end of my second hard drive). I use the NT boot loader to choose my operating system and a nifty little boot image maker called Bootpart. LILO is in the first sector of the boot partition. Just two days ago I made it official -- Linux is now my default operating system (it was driving me crazy... I would forget that it wasn't, do a reboot of the machine and return to find my Windows desktop... blech). -Stephen-
[expert] Troubles With Partitions
Hi all. Last week i bought a box with w98 preloaded. Without thinking about it, i took my mdk 6.1 cd (i didn't burned a 7.0 cd yet) and i repartitioned the HD to install linux in the PC. Obviously i deleted the old w98 installation. i was trying to install wnt4.0 in a separate partition. i had NO any problems running linux. But whatever i do, i can't even format correctly the fat partition. i know that lilo can't boot partitions beggining in cylinder greater that 1024. i made booteable the partition, i also tried hda1 to be the fat partition. but when i format such partition (with dos) it recognizes it as if its size would be 2Gb, althought it is 5Gb. After reboot, dos does not find c: unit. many thanks. - Claudio J. Tessone E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Departamento de Fisica- Fac. de Cs. Exactas Calle 47 y 115. 1900- La Plata. Bs. As. Argentina -
