Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
Thanks John. BDW, I have sent a message to kde informing about the bug in kdm; I hope they improve that excelent windows manager for linux. See you _ Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) El Jue 03 May 2001 14:20, escribiste: > Sorry, that's what I meant kdm.anyway I edited /etc/X11/prefdm and > made the following change: > > preferred= > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then > . /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1 > [ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER > if [ "$DESKTOP" = GNOME -o "$DESKTOP" = Gnome ]; then > preferred=gdm > elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = > "KDE2" ]; then > preferred=/usr/bin/gdm > elif [ "$DESKTOP" = AnotherLevel ] ; then > preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/gdm > fi > fi > > > Notice in the last two preferred statements I changed kdm to gdm. this > was documented in an email from someone else whose name escapes me about > four days ago, so he should get the credit for this fix. He did note that > although this is not the preferred method for affecting this fix it does > work. -- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
John the problem is not with xdm, that also works fine, but kdm, an equivalent to xdm created to KDE. BDW, how did you do the change? (I would like to learn more linux ^_^) See you El Jue 03 May 2001 13:13, escribiste: > I can recreate the same. I have switched to using GDM as my login manager > and everything works just fine. It appears that the problem is casued > somehow by xdm. An earlier message explaind how to always use gdm instead > of xdm, but it did involve hardcoding a file instead of just switching kde > to gdm in /etc/sysconfig/desktop. -- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
Sorry, that's what I meant kdm.anyway I edited /etc/X11/prefdm and made the following change: preferred= if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/desktop ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/desktop >/dev/null 2>&1 [ -n "$DISPLAYMANAGER" ] && DESKTOP=$DISPLAYMANAGER if [ "$DESKTOP" = GNOME -o "$DESKTOP" = Gnome ]; then preferred=gdm elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "KDE" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE1" -o "$DESKTOP" = "KDE2" ]; then preferred=/usr/bin/gdm elif [ "$DESKTOP" = AnotherLevel ] ; then preferred=/usr/X11R6/bin/gdm fi fi Notice in the last two preferred statements I changed kdm to gdm. this was documented in an email from someone else whose name escapes me about four days ago, so he should get the credit for this fix. He did note that although this is not the preferred method for affecting this fix it does work. -- // // / John Kloian III Chief Technology Officer / / OpNIX, Inc. http://opnix.com / // / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. / // // On Thu, 3 May 2001, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: >John the problem is not with xdm, that also works fine, but kdm, an >equivalent to xdm created to KDE. >BDW, how did you do the change? (I would like to learn more linux ^_^) > >See you > >El Jue 03 May 2001 13:13, escribiste: >> I can recreate the same. I have switched to using GDM as my login manager >> and everything works just fine. It appears that the problem is casued >> somehow by xdm. An earlier message explaind how to always use gdm instead >> of xdm, but it did involve hardcoding a file instead of just switching kde >> to gdm in /etc/sysconfig/desktop. > >
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
I can recreate the same. I have switched to using GDM as my login manager and everything works just fine. It appears that the problem is casued somehow by xdm. An earlier message explaind how to always use gdm instead of xdm, but it did involve hardcoding a file instead of just switching kde to gdm in /etc/sysconfig/desktop. -- // // / John Kloian III Chief Technology Officer / / OpNIX, Inc. http://opnix.com / // / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. / // // On Wed, 2 May 2001, Joerg Mertin wrote: >Hi Folks, > >I got similar Setup - and just tested it. Started up in Runlevel 3 mode >(Means, not X-Windowed Mode), run a: "startx" at the console (default config >goes to 16bpp) - and the Q3 worked as did all other §d-Based games. >Resolution switching worked too without a Problem. > >If I start into X-Window (KDM), I can't switch resolutions. I think the Bug >is in there somehow ... > >Cheers > > The Smurph >
RE: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
I get the same using MDK7.2 and Xfree4.0.3 and KDE2.1 Fugz -Original Message- From: Joerg Mertin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 May 2001 22:14 To: Francisco Alcaraz Ariza; Will Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI Hi Folks, I got similar Setup - and just tested it. Started up in Runlevel 3 mode (Means, not X-Windowed Mode), run a: "startx" at the console (default config goes to 16bpp) - and the Q3 worked as did all other §d-Based games. Resolution switching worked too without a Problem. If I start into X-Window (KDM), I can't switch resolutions. I think the Bug is in there somehow ... Cheers The Smurph -- APL hackers do it in the quad. | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : Mobile Diax: +41(0)76 / 490 52 54 | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice & Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
Hi Folks, I got similar Setup - and just tested it. Started up in Runlevel 3 mode (Means, not X-Windowed Mode), run a: "startx" at the console (default config goes to 16bpp) - and the Q3 worked as did all other §d-Based games. Resolution switching worked too without a Problem. If I start into X-Window (KDM), I can't switch resolutions. I think the Bug is in there somehow ... Cheers The Smurph -- APL hackers do it in the quad. | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : Mobile Diax: +41(0)76 / 490 52 54 | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice & Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
John, I sent a message to the bug support of XFree86, an automatical answer said that they are studing the problem and they will communicate to me sooner o later ; Guillaume said also that hi has sent the information to the person in Mandrake that works with the X. As soon that I had messages from they I'll e-mail you and, I think, also the expert list because probably there are more user of linux with a Voodoo that perhaps could think they have a installation or a hardware problem. So I will get in touch El Mar 01 May 2001 15:09, escribiste: > Great, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. -- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
Great, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. -- // // / John Kloian III Chief Technology Officer / / OpNIX, Inc. http://opnix.com / // / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. / // // On Tue, 1 May 2001, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: >John, have you try with games that don't use the DRI, like clanbomber or >pingus, they also crashes X due to the full screen!!!, but your experiment >dissabling DRI seems to be a very good clue, perhaps those games I mentioned >before don't use DRI, but if it is activated DRI is the responsible of the >resolution change and because that it hangs X. > >Very good experiment! according to the scientific method :-). > >I think the conclusions are very solid; I will send this message also to >Guillaume Cottenceau, he said me that I was using a Voodo3 3000 (exactly the >same that the mine) with XFree86 4.0.3 without problems; I thought that I >could have a special problem due to my hardware, but the last messages are >showing that the problem is generalizated with XFree86 4.0.3 (and I had the >problem also in beta 2 with 4.0.2) and Voodoo3 3000 (also probably with 2000). > >I hope Guillaume could give as the way to solve the problem or the way to >communicate it to XFree86 team. > >If some of us find the solution, this list could be a goog meeting point. > >See you soon > >--- >Francisco Alcaraz >Murcia (Spain) > > >El Martes 01 Mayo 2001 00:44, escribiste: >> You're right. This is what I've done thus far to try to isolate the >> problem: >> >> >> Problem: >> >> When changing resolutions X server crashes and restarts. when loading >> Quak3 xserver crashes and restarts. when loading Chroimium in windowed >> mode everything works fine including DRI, when Chromium is switched to >> fullscreen mode, X server crashes and restarts. >> >> Tests made: >> >> 1. Switched card with another known good Voodoo3. Same problem. >> >> 2. Commented our Load "DRI" from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Can switch >> resolutions without X server crashing, however Quake runs EXTRMEMLY slow >> becasue there is no DRI device to use. >> >> 3. Remove DRI comment and problem returns >> >> 4. Comment Load "GLX" from XF86Config-4. Problem persists. >> >> This may not be the best troubleshooting in the world, but it convinced me >> that the DRI in X 4.0.3 is what was causing my problems. >> >> Not to say that DRI is not working, because Chromium will work in windowed >> mode. More specifically I think the problem is that changing resolutions >> while using DRI is what is casuing the crash. This can be seen from step >> 2 above. what do you think? >
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
John & Will, I made the change in XFreeConfig-4 that said John and, efectively, full screen games, like pingus, run again (remember that pingus doesn't need 3d-acceleration). The conclusion of John is true: At least for Vodoo3 3000, DRI has a bug and switching resolution is controled but this module; if you try to change resolutions or a game or other type of aplication try to do that, doesn't matter if they use or not 3d acceleration, DRI make the action and crashes X. I have posted a bug report to XFree86, I hope they will work on the problem. I will post in the expert list any comments that the XFree86 team sent to me about this subject (I hope a patch or so on). Note for the person of the mandrake team in charge of the X: could you check that and also communicate to the Xfree86 team, I am sure they will work faster if they know that Mandrake is also interested in the problem. :-) Thanks. See you soon, I hope wit good news -- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
Just a "me too" post. I've got the same bug, and reached the same conclusions you have. It looks like a DRI bug to me. I've seen reports of this bug in comp.os.linux.x, too but no solutions (other than revert to XFree 4.0.2) yet. On Monday 30 April 2001 17:44, John Kloian III wrote: > You're right. This is what I've done thus far to try to isolate the > problem: > > > Problem: > > When changing resolutions X server crashes and restarts. when loading > Quak3 xserver crashes and restarts. when loading Chroimium in windowed > mode everything works fine including DRI, when Chromium is switched to > fullscreen mode, X server crashes and restarts. > > Tests made: > > 1. Switched card with another known good Voodoo3. Same problem. > > 2. Commented our Load "DRI" from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Can switch > resolutions without X server crashing, however Quake runs EXTRMEMLY slow > becasue there is no DRI device to use. > > 3. Remove DRI comment and problem returns > > 4. Comment Load "GLX" from XF86Config-4. Problem persists. > > This may not be the best troubleshooting in the world, but it convinced me > that the DRI in X 4.0.3 is what was causing my problems. > > Not to say that DRI is not working, because Chromium will work in windowed > mode. More specifically I think the problem is that changing resolutions > while using DRI is what is casuing the crash. This can be seen from step > 2 above. what do you think? > > -- > // > / / > / John Kloian III Chief Technology Officer / > / OpNIX, Inc. http://opnix.com / > / / > / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. / > / / > // > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > >John, I have the same problems in 8.0, nor in 7.2; but in beta 2 and beta 3 I > >had it also; it seems a problem with XFree86 4.0..2 and 4.0.3, because using > >xine and videoland with xvideo activated (a way to use directly the graphic > >hardware without XFree86) I can get full screen. > > > >Ah! is not a problem with DRI, because programs that don't use DRI, like > >clanbomber, heretic II or pingus also crashes X. > > > >Perhaps we should communicate the problem to the XFree team, but we must be > >sure this is the cause of the X crashes! > > > > > >--- > >Francisco Alcaraz > >Murcia (Spain) > > > >El Lunes 30 Abril 2001 22:29, escribiste: > >> Has anyone experienced any weirdness with 8.0 and a voodoo3 using DRI? I > >> just did a vanilla install and have noticed that if I try to change > >> resolutions with DRI running the xserver restarts, also if I try to run a > >> program that uses DRI like Quake3 or Chromium in full-screen the xserver > >> restarts. I swaped video cards and ended up having to go back to 7.2 to > >> be able to use DRI correctly. > > > > > -- Madness takes its toll; please have exact change Will Reinhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
John, have you try with games that don't use the DRI, like clanbomber or pingus, they also crashes X due to the full screen!!!, but your experiment dissabling DRI seems to be a very good clue, perhaps those games I mentioned before don't use DRI, but if it is activated DRI is the responsible of the resolution change and because that it hangs X. Very good experiment! according to the scientific method :-). I think the conclusions are very solid; I will send this message also to Guillaume Cottenceau, he said me that I was using a Voodo3 3000 (exactly the same that the mine) with XFree86 4.0.3 without problems; I thought that I could have a special problem due to my hardware, but the last messages are showing that the problem is generalizated with XFree86 4.0.3 (and I had the problem also in beta 2 with 4.0.2) and Voodoo3 3000 (also probably with 2000). I hope Guillaume could give as the way to solve the problem or the way to communicate it to XFree86 team. If some of us find the solution, this list could be a goog meeting point. See you soon --- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) El Martes 01 Mayo 2001 00:44, escribiste: > You're right. This is what I've done thus far to try to isolate the > problem: > > > Problem: > > When changing resolutions X server crashes and restarts. when loading > Quak3 xserver crashes and restarts. when loading Chroimium in windowed > mode everything works fine including DRI, when Chromium is switched to > fullscreen mode, X server crashes and restarts. > > Tests made: > > 1. Switched card with another known good Voodoo3. Same problem. > > 2. Commented our Load "DRI" from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Can switch > resolutions without X server crashing, however Quake runs EXTRMEMLY slow > becasue there is no DRI device to use. > > 3. Remove DRI comment and problem returns > > 4. Comment Load "GLX" from XF86Config-4. Problem persists. > > This may not be the best troubleshooting in the world, but it convinced me > that the DRI in X 4.0.3 is what was causing my problems. > > Not to say that DRI is not working, because Chromium will work in windowed > mode. More specifically I think the problem is that changing resolutions > while using DRI is what is casuing the crash. This can be seen from step > 2 above. what do you think?
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
You're right. This is what I've done thus far to try to isolate the problem: Problem: When changing resolutions X server crashes and restarts. when loading Quak3 xserver crashes and restarts. when loading Chroimium in windowed mode everything works fine including DRI, when Chromium is switched to fullscreen mode, X server crashes and restarts. Tests made: 1. Switched card with another known good Voodoo3. Same problem. 2. Commented our Load "DRI" from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Can switch resolutions without X server crashing, however Quake runs EXTRMEMLY slow becasue there is no DRI device to use. 3. Remove DRI comment and problem returns 4. Comment Load "GLX" from XF86Config-4. Problem persists. This may not be the best troubleshooting in the world, but it convinced me that the DRI in X 4.0.3 is what was causing my problems. Not to say that DRI is not working, because Chromium will work in windowed mode. More specifically I think the problem is that changing resolutions while using DRI is what is casuing the crash. This can be seen from step 2 above. what do you think? -- // // / John Kloian III Chief Technology Officer / / OpNIX, Inc. http://opnix.com / // / .Innovating Internet Intelligence. / // // On Tue, 1 May 2001, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: >John, I have the same problems in 8.0, nor in 7.2; but in beta 2 and beta 3 I >had it also; it seems a problem with XFree86 4.0..2 and 4.0.3, because using >xine and videoland with xvideo activated (a way to use directly the graphic >hardware without XFree86) I can get full screen. > >Ah! is not a problem with DRI, because programs that don't use DRI, like >clanbomber, heretic II or pingus also crashes X. > >Perhaps we should communicate the problem to the XFree team, but we must be >sure this is the cause of the X crashes! > > >--- >Francisco Alcaraz >Murcia (Spain) > >El Lunes 30 Abril 2001 22:29, escribiste: >> Has anyone experienced any weirdness with 8.0 and a voodoo3 using DRI? I >> just did a vanilla install and have noticed that if I try to change >> resolutions with DRI running the xserver restarts, also if I try to run a >> program that uses DRI like Quake3 or Chromium in full-screen the xserver >> restarts. I swaped video cards and ended up having to go back to 7.2 to >> be able to use DRI correctly. >
Re: [expert] Mandrake 8.0 & Voodoo DRI
John, I have the same problems in 8.0, nor in 7.2; but in beta 2 and beta 3 I had it also; it seems a problem with XFree86 4.0..2 and 4.0.3, because using xine and videoland with xvideo activated (a way to use directly the graphic hardware without XFree86) I can get full screen. Ah! is not a problem with DRI, because programs that don't use DRI, like clanbomber, heretic II or pingus also crashes X. Perhaps we should communicate the problem to the XFree team, but we must be sure this is the cause of the X crashes! --- Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) El Lunes 30 Abril 2001 22:29, escribiste: > Has anyone experienced any weirdness with 8.0 and a voodoo3 using DRI? I > just did a vanilla install and have noticed that if I try to change > resolutions with DRI running the xserver restarts, also if I try to run a > program that uses DRI like Quake3 or Chromium in full-screen the xserver > restarts. I swaped video cards and ended up having to go back to 7.2 to > be able to use DRI correctly.
