Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Monday 18 November 2002 05:03, Praedor Tempus wrote: I have no problems with getting wlan cards working on my laptop (orinoco, zoomair, or netgear). I was never able to get them working properly on my desktop with a pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. The problem appeared to be related to IRQs. What sort of messages do you see in /var/log/messages related to the card and/or adaptor? That's the point...I get no messages,because MDK does stops installation right at the beginning at the point determining pcmcia...No matter how long waiting,it hungs there..(waited 7 hours something going further...no way) Have tried to change different pci slots,no effect. When I strip card and adapter,I can get MDK installation going ok,then I install adapter and card back,instal pcmcia-cs package,recompile kernel without any wireless drivers and voila',I have working wireless system... Card is orinoco silver and adapter is wavelan-pci,with TexasInstrument chipset.I have noticed,that adapter is more or less WIN type and that may cause the problem,but just wonder...In 8.0 installation went through ok,but from 8.2 up now 9.0 it hungs?Makes me thinking there's happened some kind of change in installation program? I am about to try again - upon purchasing another pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. If that fails, I will try USB which I know works (if you get the correct wlan usb device, that is). Yup This is the point...If you find correct deviceUnfortunately they are not all YET linux-compatibleBut wil be... Jarmo praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Dilluns 18 Novembre 2002 08:00, en jarmo va escriure: That's the point...I get no messages,because MDK does stops installation right at the beginning at the point determining pcmcia...No matter how long waiting,it hungs there..(waited 7 hours something going further...no way) Have tried to change different pci slots,no effect. If your bios has an option called Bios PnP try setting it to OFF... if it hasn't that option just forget this message ;) - -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Spain AOL quini2k, ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE92RUVok8j9RhtetwRAljZAJ45nVQ9jXsCUkOAnxSFUc3BmN8PRACeKnh7 nQ1dSn3gHwIWy36r+D9hV2c= =IhHe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Monday 18 November 2002 18:28, Joan Tur wrote: If your bios has an option called Bios PnP try setting it to OFF... if it hasn't that option just forget this message ;) Thanks But unfortunately there's not that option-( Jarmo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
I've had exactly the same problem. (just for the record, so the problemcount can increment) Also, when I finally got it to work (by installing w/o the pcmcia card - yup, I had to do a cd-install), my orinoco silver card hangs the kernel without emitting any recoveable logmessages upon first use of the card. Pretty annoying. I haven't been able to try other distributions, so I don't know if it is mdk-specific. /marco - Original Message - From: jarmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 09:00 Subject: Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux On Monday 18 November 2002 05:03, Praedor Tempus wrote: I have no problems with getting wlan cards working on my laptop (orinoco, zoomair, or netgear). I was never able to get them working properly on my desktop with a pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. The problem appeared to be related to IRQs. What sort of messages do you see in /var/log/messages related to the card and/or adaptor? That's the point...I get no messages,because MDK does stops installation right at the beginning at the point determining pcmcia...No matter how long waiting,it hungs there..(waited 7 hours something going further...no way) Have tried to change different pci slots,no effect. When I strip card and adapter,I can get MDK installation going ok,then I install adapter and card back,instal pcmcia-cs package,recompile kernel without any wireless drivers and voila',I have working wireless system... Card is orinoco silver and adapter is wavelan-pci,with TexasInstrument chipset.I have noticed,that adapter is more or less WIN type and that may cause the problem,but just wonder...In 8.0 installation went through ok,but from 8.2 up now 9.0 it hungs?Makes me thinking there's happened some kind of change in installation program? I am about to try again - upon purchasing another pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. If that fails, I will try USB which I know works (if you get the correct wlan usb device, that is). Yup This is the point...If you find correct deviceUnfortunately they are not all YET linux-compatibleBut wil be... Jarmo praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
I am about to try again - upon purchasing another pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. If that fails, I will try USB which I know works (if you get the correct wlan usb device, that is). Ok that brings up a very good point, which usb devices work with Mandrake 9.0? I am about to buy another one to try and would very much appreciate any help on the selection. Are there any that work right out of the box ? Mike This is the point...If you find correct deviceUnfortunately they are not all YET linux-compatibleBut wil be... Jarmo praedor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
A linksys WUSB v2.5 will, perhaps also a v2.0. I goofed my first time and bought a WUSB - it had been a while since it came out so I thought it likely to be a v2.x though there was no indication whatsoever on the box. I lost the receipt and was unable to take it back. a v1.5 will not work. There are others, of course. I would suggest you take a look around the linux-wlan-ng website: http://www.linux-wlan.org/index.html Down the page is a table with a list of the working and not working devices with the linux-wlan-ng drivers. There is an alcatel driver out there that will work with some devices as well. praedor On Monday 18 November 2002 07:13 pm, Mike Graham wrote: I am about to try again - upon purchasing another pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. If that fails, I will try USB which I know works (if you get the correct wlan usb device, that is). Ok that brings up a very good point, which usb devices work with Mandrake 9.0? I am about to buy another one to try and would very much appreciate any help on the selection. Are there any that work right out of the box ? Mike This is the point...If you find correct deviceUnfortunately they are not all YET linux-compatibleBut wil be... Jarmo praedor -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - Friedrich Nietzsche. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 17 November 2002 17:47, Michael Holt wrote: Yesterday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: I'm glad to hear that someone was able to get it to work with the default ML install. I wasn't so lucky. I have finally managed to get it to work after 3 fresh installs of ML 9 plus I had to d/l and install the orinoco drivers... Me too Started just 9.0 installation and it stops just in the beginning when trying to determine PCMCIA stuff.Had same problem with 8.2.Made questions here hoping that someone from Mandrake team would pay tension about issue.. Seems not...Anyway I have orinoco silver card and wavelan pci adapter.. I think that's the messy one..In MDK 8.0 installation worked OK... In 8.2 I had to take off card and adapter to manage install os.Now it seems to be same...I took them away and installation go's fine... There is only huge job to get pcmcia workin...Have to use pcmcia-cs package and recompile kernel without part of pcmcia stuff...But managed in 8.2 so why not 9.0. So if someone from TEAM reads this,pse try to find correction to installation according pcmcia. By the way using amd xp-1700+ 512M ram 2x40G hd ati radeon all in wonder And as said with a little bit extra job all works fine.. Jarmo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 17 November 2002 08:47 am, you wrote: Yesterday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: With this kind of trouble, I can see why Linux hasn't made it into the mainstream (as far as the desktop market goes). People always say this when they have a problem. First, you need to I've had more than a problem. I'm not a big fan of Windows but at least you can get it to install even if it doesn't have drivers for all of the hardware (I was able to get the drivers after the install or shortly therafter). In contrast, I can't get ML 9 to install on my server box - the box locks up when I press enter to begin the install. It could be a hardware problem but it's a real hassle having to remove the cover and start unplugging cards every time I do an OS upgrade. I've had trouble with installing 7.2/8.1/8.2. I don't remember my trouble with 7.2 but 8.1/8.2 gave me a kernel panic after install because I had a SCSI HD and an IDE HD. I had to boot off a floppy and modify LILO with hex addresses for bios settings for sda and hda. Let's face reality, the average person isn't going to want to spend a day, let alone weeks or even a month, to try to figure out why his/her hardware doesn't work and they're definitely not going to mess with an OS that locks up their computer when it freezes when they press enter to start an install. I installed ML 9 on my laptop and I get occassional freezes (this began happening after the install), also. The Mandrake website had a fix listed (append=noacpi) and I'm trying that now. So far so good. But, I'm still having problems with the wireless card losing it's config and I have to execute iwconfig parameters to get it working again. And the surprising thing is that the Netgear MA401 is suppose to be supported (it's listed in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts). You see, the list goes on and on. for you. They wouldn't even consider releasing the product without windows drivers - usually multiple versions of windows. That's no surprise when you consider the M$ market share. on linux, you've GOT to plan ahead. Make sure you've got not only comptatible hardware, but that you understand COMPLETELY what's soldered in your case. That goes for any OS. But, the nice thing about Windows is that if it doesn't have the drivers with the OS install package, the drivers are probably on the CD that came with the hardware or it's available for d/l from the vendor (which you probably should d/l before you start the install). Unfortunately, I don't know everything. I'd pay for tech support but there have been many times when I knew more than the tech support people. So, I'd rather wait for an answer in a listserver or just replace my hardware with something that does work. But, even though an HCL indicates that a device is 100% compatible, I've found that it isn't always so. My HP 660 and 692 are suppose to be 100% compatible but I can't make either one print reliably on Linux even though I installed hpijs 1.3 on my server box (which is currenlty running ML 8.1). As I've stated before, Linux has a long way to go before it becomes part of the mainstream desktop community. I must say that I'm impressed with all the improvements with Linux since the time I used Slackware 3.4. But, I'm going to grin and bear it for a little while longer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 17 November 2002 19:30, Michael Holt wrote: WHAT??? With that fact-filled email, I just don't know where to start! Seriously though, you haven't listed anything about what kind of laptop Man Don't blow your head off... If you'd read better you'd figure that this is not a laptop.. Pse read again... As said with my orinoco silver card and wavelan pci adapter etc... I can get it working...but MDK's installation does notNot big deal...eh? Jarmo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 17 November 2002 04:22 pm, jarmo wrote: [...] Don't blow your head off... If you'd read better you'd figure that this is not a laptop.. Pse read again... As said with my orinoco silver card and wavelan pci adapter etc... I can get it working...but MDK's installation does notNot big deal...eh? I have no problems with getting wlan cards working on my laptop (orinoco, zoomair, or netgear). I was never able to get them working properly on my desktop with a pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. The problem appeared to be related to IRQs. What sort of messages do you see in /var/log/messages related to the card and/or adaptor? I am about to try again - upon purchasing another pci-to-pcmcia adaptor. If that fails, I will try USB which I know works (if you get the correct wlan usb device, that is). praedor -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - Friedrich Nietzsche. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
I'm glad to hear that someone was able to get it to work with the default ML install. I wasn't so lucky. I have finally managed to get it to work after 3 fresh installs of ML 9 plus I had to d/l and install the orinoco drivers since I wasn't able to get the orinoco drivers that came with ML 9 to install. Plus I tried my hand at recompiling the kernel to include the orinoco drivers (which didn't help, obviously, even though the PC booted up with the new kernel). Anyway, I got it working with the help of iwconfig and Linuxconf and MCC-NetworkInternet. Now, I have to figure out which file(s) to store the config info so that it'll work on the next boot. I hope that I will remember all this if I have to install or reinstall the OS. BTW, why isn't there a .../pcmcia-3.x.x directory in ML 8.2 and 9.0 like there was in ML 8.1? Also, according to the PCMCIA-HOWTO, there's suppose to be a utility script called probe in a /cardmgr directory to help in determining the PCIC - I can't find the utility or the directory. Actually I did find a script named probe but it had something to do with NetCat. With this kind of trouble, I can see why Linux hasn't made it into the mainstream (as far as the desktop market goes). On Wednesday 13 November 2002 10:45 am, you wrote: You know, I noticed this thread but thought it was for something else (duh!) Anyway, I'm using an MA401 wireless card right now on my thinkpad and it's worked on mandrake 8.2 as well as mandrake 9.0 right from install. I also installed slackware 8.1 a couple of weeks ago to try it out and it worked in there just as well. I used the same card in my old toshiba laptop. Could it be that there is something else wrong? Maybe a bad card? I just plug mine in to the pcmcia slot and boot the computer and do the install - the card is recognized and it installs with no problem. Again, it's a Netgear MA401. Mike Friday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: I've tried linux-wlan-ng-pre4/5/6 and I still can't get my wireless card to work. It's a Netgear MA401. I followed the directions in the README file and added alias wlan0 prism2_cs to /etc/modules.conf but I can't get the beast to work! The default install did not associate the card with the AP even though the README file assured me that it would associate to any nearby AP. lsmod shows that the drivers (prism2_cs and p80211) were installed. After configuring the appropriate files in /etc/wlan plus /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, the card still will not associate with the AP even though I do have the correct SSID in the config files. Plus, the nameserver info that I entered into /etc/pcmcia/network.opts never got written to /etc/resolv.conf nor did wlan0 get configured with an IP address. But, I was able to assign an IP address to wlan0 with Linuxconf (I know, this isn't the right way to do it). I tried to get the card to work using a file and with instructions, on how to use the orinoco driver, that someone had provided and that didn't get it going either. The card works when booted into Windows 2000. So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Mandrake Linux 9.0. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Sunday 10 November 2002 07:25 pm, Jim Tarvid wrote: I must admit to cheating a bit, I bought an Orinoco for this purpose. Using MCC, I changed the SSID and set the device to channel 6 and connected to my AP instantly. If I had read enough, I am sure I would have screwed it up. Which is why we need a repository of things that work as well as a list of questionable installations and configurations. One reason for the existence of WikiLearn is to allow you (everybody, anybody) to create / contribute to such a repository. Why don't you try starting a page named something like OrinocoWirelessCard on WikiLearn -- go to: http:/twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/OrinocoWirelessCard Then click on create -- you will have to register and will have to know your name, makeup a WikiName and password, and specify your country. ;-) Type in whatever you think is useful. Formatting is easy and you may learn all you need by viewing the page, but it can be dealt with later, either by me, you, or somebody else -- the only thing I'd ask is that you separate paragraphs with a blank line. Feel free to come up with a better page name -- I haven't followed this thread and there was some guesswork in my suggestion. regards, Randy Kramer Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
I must admit to cheating a bit, I bought an Orinoco for this purpose. Using MCC, I changed the SSID and set the device to channel 6 and connected to my AP instantly. If I had read enough, I am sure I would have screwed it up. Which is why we need a repository of things that work as well as a list of questionable installations and configurations. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:31:02 -0700, you wrote: So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? This works for a Dlink 11meg card and I used I think linux-wlan-1.14. This was a little while back and I now have a 22meg Dlink which has a different chipset and not supported by Linux. modprobe prism2_pci wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=your APs SSID authtype=opensystem ifconfig wlan0 yourIP netmask yourNetmask broadcast yourBroadcast route add default gw yourGateway At this point it should work but mine didnt. I had to do a extra /etc/rc.d/init.d/wlan stop /etc/rc.d/init.d/wlan start then it would magically start working. Hope that helps Gary. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work in linux????
On Saturday 09 November 2002 06:31 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Same reason as other stuff: inadequate device driver support. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com A train stops at a train station. A bus stops at a bus station. This explains the problem with my workstation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
