[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 6:45 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Oh, come on, he liked the incense and the public acclaim? It's > > ridiculous, he had avoided contact with people just as much as > > possible for many years (the little book about his life reminds us > > that for a sage, "solitude is the only blessedness" > > http://www.kevincarmody.com/vedic/brahmananda.html ), refusing to > > take the post as Shankaracharya until Maharishi came of age, and was > > available as his disciple. > > > > It could not have been his mission to speak out a lot of Vedic wisdom > > like the founder of his order of monks, Shankara, because Guru Dev > > spoke very little. His sole mission was to create an emissary to > > enlighten the householder world. It was unnecessary for Guru Dev to > > say much of anything -- there is already a ton of Vedic literature, > > by Shankara, Vasistha, Vyasa and the other sages -- the need of the > > times was to make available a simple mechanical means of raising > > one's consciousness without moving into a cave like Guru Dev did > > (Vedic knowledge without expanded awareness is like having a map > > without a light, it simply can't be understood), and that's exactly > > what MMY did to pay his gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) to Guru Dev. > > > > Bob > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > > > You may be right Bob, but these are theories. Your opinions. Surely you must > be aware of the distinction between opinion and established fact. The thing > that gets everyone's goat here is that the tone of your expression makes it > sound like you are asserting your opinions as absolute truth. Are you really > as dead sure of things as you appear to be, or is this electronic medium > causing us to misinterpret your tone? *** What I am saying is a theory in the sense that evolution is a theory. A theory is an explanation that fits the fact situation (in a way that creationists' ideas do not). You acknowledge Guru Dev only accepting the Shankaracharya seat about the time when MMY graduated from college. This meant that Guru Dev only had to expose himself to the mud of world for a minimum amount of time (it was obviously Guru Dev's preference to stay away from the ignorant and clamorous world), just enough time to bring MMY, the educated and English-speaking envoy to the entire world that he needed, to his level, and then leave this earth. Now creationist opponents of evolutionary theory say, out of their ignorance, that evolution is only a theory, as if some day some biologist is going to be able to change the theory into a law. This is not going to happen, and there is a similar lack of utility in what you are saying about my analysis -- if that gets your goat, or anybody else's, that's too bad -- which is about all that biologists have to say to creationists. If somebody has a competing theory that fits the fact situation of Guru Dev's life, and respects Guru Dev's divine status, they can express themselves on this list just like me or anybody with internet access. The reason why I say Guru Dev's status should be a given, a prequisite to any analysis of his life, is that if his divinity is not acknowledged, then there is really no sense talking about him at all -- he would just be another homeless guy with a beard, and there are lots of them here where I live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 7:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> There's a lesson in the SCI course where M says TM is the only > way, but he >> goes on to say that anything which transcends it's own activity is > TM. > > > > > Are you sure he used the word "only"? I remember him saying "TM is > the way" without the word "only"... > Not sure. That's my recollection, but it's been many years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time & Breath & Awareness, was Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to > really > > "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. > > Yes, familiar with that death. Not positive it was accompanied at > that time by complete stoppage of breath -- it might have been. > Complete stoppage is apparently not necessary now for seeing through > reality; attention is. Stoppage is also very nice though. > > Then > > jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were > > talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point > is > > that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all > have > > died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. > But > > death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. > > Yes, I am not so sure that it is always shorter breaths and stoppage > (though that be often the case), so much as subtler and subtler > ones -- not necessarily shallower. The onset of peaceful currents of > attention, maybe. I am not so quick to completely equate prana with > breath at all nowadays -- Pranaflow (in its various forms, including > electromagnetic, either within or without this physical body) seems > somewhat more to be a function of attention than specifically breath. ** >From my Taoist practice I know there is a quality of breath characterized by >frictionless flow, whether the cycle is extremely rapid or extremely slow. I call this the celestial breath, based on my recollection of a story MMY told once. A bunch of guys did tapas and refined their breathing so much that they were able to sneak into an assembly of angels. The angels sniffed them out (literally, detected their odor) and they had to leave. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 6:45 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Oh, come on, he liked the incense and the public acclaim? It's > ridiculous, he had avoided contact with people just as much as > possible for many years (the little book about his life reminds us > that for a sage, "solitude is the only blessedness" > http://www.kevincarmody.com/vedic/brahmananda.html ), refusing to > take the post as Shankaracharya until Maharishi came of age, and was > available as his disciple. > > It could not have been his mission to speak out a lot of Vedic wisdom > like the founder of his order of monks, Shankara, because Guru Dev > spoke very little. His sole mission was to create an emissary to > enlighten the householder world. It was unnecessary for Guru Dev to > say much of anything -- there is already a ton of Vedic literature, > by Shankara, Vasistha, Vyasa and the other sages -- the need of the > times was to make available a simple mechanical means of raising > one's consciousness without moving into a cave like Guru Dev did > (Vedic knowledge without expanded awareness is like having a map > without a light, it simply can't be understood), and that's exactly > what MMY did to pay his gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) to Guru Dev. > > Bob > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > You may be right Bob, but these are theories. Your opinions. Surely you must be aware of the distinction between opinion and established fact. The thing that gets everyone's goat here is that the tone of your expression makes it sound like you are asserting your opinions as absolute truth. Are you really as dead sure of things as you appear to be, or is this electronic medium causing us to misinterpret your tone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 6:29 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ** > Bob Brigante wrote: >> There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in the >> forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the world >> the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. > > Bob, you must be joking around again! How do you know that this is the ONLY > reason > Guru Dev would leave the forest? He might have had a few other reasons to > decide to > become Shankaracharya. > As Maharishi told the story, it took about 20 years to convince him to become Shankaracharya. He didn't want to do it and would keep walking away or not showing up when they were going to do the ceremony to make him the Shank. Finally they convinced him to sit still long enough to do it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Yes, sure -- for some reason, I never thought of linking the two concepts together like that. (I instead looked into mantras for 144 subcategories of the Solar wheel, each covering 2.5 days, and went on in that direction, working out various layers of macro-micro correlation from the akashic down to the physical.) A new twist here! Thanks again!--Why not 365, each deity has a mantra and each day, each hour even, and again there's the four elements and transcendental aspect of each mantra, that's at least 5 X 365, and those are just macro macro outer protectors (of course in the micro). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) However, when someone starts talking about > experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had > such experiences, if they are speaking out of > conceptual belief or direct experince. Just curious, but do you think that in order to talk about CC (for example) that a person has to be established in that state or can they just have had moments where their awareness had expanded to that state? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth Is!
In a message dated 4/6/05 3:26:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's amazing to see people pay $5800.00 plus room and board so they can BE what they already are! :-) ROFLOLActually, it's all about getting money to pay for the completion of the pundit project. They ran out of money because there are no pundits. People have stopped their donations because it was contingent on pundits. And the bank won't give them anymore money, because the bank money was contingent on the donations of the people who thought there would be pundits this time.So what to do? What to do? Let's un-governorize all the governors and then hold a course and charge them thousands of dollars to make them governors again. The course fees will give us the money to complete the pundit project. MUM staff and faculty will be task forced to do all the work for essentially no additional expense. We'll tell everyone that this "special" wave of "new" knowledge will bring in Sat Yuga by July 21. This will make everyone guilty if they don't drop everything and come right away. Then we'll tell everyone that this is a "once in a lifetime" opportunity, they don't want to miss it. It may never come again. They will all rush here.After the course everyone will be all blissed and happy that they got in on it and are governors again. Oh wait excuse me--"CERTIFIED GOVERNORS" with the certificate to prove it. And some will be Raja Designates that were able to sit in the front row, near the "real" Rajas, during the course. Like that, like that.And even though we said the pundit project was completed months ago, when we put out that fake brochure with the doctored photos. NOW we will actually have a completed pundit project -- WELL, except for the pundit part. We'll have some extra cash on hand, and a completed housing facility ready for Purusha and/or Mother Divine when they are evicted from North Carolina. It will all work out very beautifully, and very beautifully, and very beautifully! No one will be the wiser, he he he! A little lighter in the wallet perhaps, but OBVIOUSLY no one has gotten any WISER!Creative Intelligence in action! Infinite Organizing Power! It's all s beautiful!ENGAGING TOTAL NATURAL LAW -- TO FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE, ALL OF THE TIME! Oh my God, you are just so negative! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anti-depressants vs TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob, > I don't know exactly where I could find studies supporting the fact > that anti-depressants treat depression effectively--seems that the very > fact that many take them and report successful results is a study in > itself. And seeing as how most of the ones in use now have been around > for a number of years, I'm not even sure if the studies that got them > FDA approval in the first place would still be available. > > I doubt anyone would ever say they are a perfect solution, or even that > they cure depression. But for many they greatly mitigate its > devastating effects, sometimes after only a short time of treatment. > And nobody either would deny that having a good support system is a > vital part of life. Anti-depressants are meant to work in tandem with > other support systems, not replace them. > > Sal > Regular and significant exercise is much better. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time & Breath & Awareness, was Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to really > "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. Yes, familiar with that death. Not positive it was accompanied at that time by complete stoppage of breath -- it might have been. Complete stoppage is apparently not necessary now for seeing through reality; attention is. Stoppage is also very nice though. Then > jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were > talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point is > that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all have > died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. But > death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. Yes, I am not so sure that it is always shorter breaths and stoppage (though that be often the case), so much as subtler and subtler ones -- not necessarily shallower. The onset of peaceful currents of attention, maybe. I am not so quick to completely equate prana with breath at all nowadays -- Pranaflow (in its various forms, including electromagnetic, either within or without this physical body) seems somewhat more to be a function of attention than specifically breath. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Anti-depressants vs TM
Bob, I don't know exactly where I could find studies supporting the fact that anti-depressants treat depression effectively--seems that the very fact that many take them and report successful results is a study in itself. And seeing as how most of the ones in use now have been around for a number of years, I'm not even sure if the studies that got them FDA approval in the first place would still be available. I doubt anyone would ever say they are a perfect solution, or even that they cure depression. But for many they greatly mitigate its devastating effects, sometimes after only a short time of treatment. And nobody either would deny that having a good support system is a vital part of life. Anti-depressants are meant to work in tandem with other support systems, not replace them. Sal On Apr 6, 2005, at 7:45 PM, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So where's the research supporting your claim, Sunshine?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well thank god Peter that you have nothing of > substance to add and > dwell on tiertiary allusions of humor. K > > > So the point still holds: if one talks about > something > from a basis of experience to a person who has an > experiential basis > to understand it, the conversation is meaningful to > both. Absolutely. Never said anything different. > > It is the height of arrogance and manifest ego to > claim the ability to > diagnose anothers expereince from afar, judge it > inferior, and > proclaim only an elite can possible understand what > you the apparent > brahmin priest proclaims. Well, I obviously don't see myself as doing this, but I can certainly understand why you see me doing this. I don't judge anyone's experience as inferior or superior. However, when someone starts talking about experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had such experiences, if they are speaking out of conceptual belief or direct experince. I know this sounds arrogant and elitist, but it is not. Until a person has experiences of a certain nature they can't speak about higher states of consciousness with any authority. It's just speculation based on conceptual models firmly rooted in waking state. This bugs you. I can understand that it would. I'm not going to stop doing it, nor are you going to stop complaining about me doing it! So it doesn't really matter what we say to one another. If someone talks about something that they have no experience in I'm going to tell them, hopefully relatively politely, that they don't know what they are talking about. Of course they'll take offense at this, but it still doesn't change the obvious fact that they don't know what they are talking about. There are several people in this newsgroup that know exactly what they are talking about in both relative and absolute domains and it is a delight to read what they have to say. I learn quite abit from them. I just don't suffer fools, that's all. Especially when it comes to Knowledge. -Peter > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:/ > > I'm not the hall monitor. You have cast me in that > > role. It is a reflection of a need you have to > relate > > to me this way. But you'll never acknowledge that > in > > the slightest. > > -Peter > > > hahaha. Do you often have such delusions of > importance and power? > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The celebration began a long time ago, > unbeknownst > > > to some beefed-up > > > arrogant bouncers patrolling the rope line -- as > > > people walk, happily > > > and laughing -- through the open back door. > > > > > > How many have had an experience of "no-doer"? > Wow. > > > Almost everyone. > > > (Peter faints --- the shock of it all. ) > > > > > > How many have had an experience during their > first > > > year of TM? > > > Wow!! Almost everyone. > > > > > > How many, in the first few years of TM heard or > read > > > MMY talking about > > > this and it made experiential sense? > > > Holy Cow!! Almost everyone. Who would have > known > > > > > > > > > How many have had an eperience where the world > > > appears to be whole and > > > still, even while it all contines to move and > flow? > > > OH MY GOD Not everyone -- but so many > people! > > > > > > But Peter, if you really want to be the hall > monitor > > > and pass out hall > > > passess so people can refer to multiple > experiential > > > realities without > > > getting a detention -- and that actually makes > you > > > happy -- then go > > > for it. Or don't. Whatever. > > > > > > The point still holds: if one talks about > something > > > from a basis of > > > experience to a person who has an experiential > basis > > > to understand it, > > > the conversation is meaningful to all -- except > to > > > the most arrogant > > > of elitist eavesdroppers. Which I am sure you > are > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Don't start the celebrations too early. The > point > > > > still holds: if you talk about something with > no > > > > experiential context, the conversation is > > > meaningless > > > > beyond entertainment. > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world > won't > > > be > > > > > burdened anymore > > > > > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas > when > > > there > > > > > are references to > > > > > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding > > > about > > > > > soemthing. Its a > > > > > great day of celebration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > Sutphen > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:. > > > > > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel > much > > > > > better. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time & Breath & Awareness, was Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > Yes, sure -- for some reason, I never thought of linking the two > > concepts together like that. (I instead looked into mantras for 144 > > subcategories of the Solar wheel, each covering 2.5 days, and went > > on in that direction, working out various layers of macro-micro > > correlation from the akashic down to the physical.) A new twist > > here! Thanks again! > > Really, what it boils down to is breath = time. What happens is, as we > transcend time, the breath becomes more subtle--even during activity. > Even when first accomplished, breath can be subtle for days at a time. > > Really the subtlety of breath is connected in a very concrete way, to > the subtlety we are able to experience, both in meditation and > activity. Traditionally this is linked to the "length" of the breath > (in and out). At a certain length, gross siddhis occur. Bring it > shorter, you can fly. The entire relationship of subtlety of breath is > well known by breath-yogis as to the result. > > Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to really > "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. Then > jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were > talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point is > that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all have > died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. But > death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. > > -V. << death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key>>> Happens a lot to me. Spontaneously. A lot. But whats your take on the flip-side dimension beings that can come crashing through a worm-hole, axes swinging, saliva drippin', teeth a crunchin' ready to engulf planet Earth? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Time & Breath & Awareness, was Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > Yes, sure -- for some reason, I never thought of linking the two > concepts together like that. (I instead looked into mantras for 144 > subcategories of the Solar wheel, each covering 2.5 days, and went > on in that direction, working out various layers of macro-micro > correlation from the akashic down to the physical.) A new twist > here! Thanks again! Really, what it boils down to is breath = time. What happens is, as we transcend time, the breath becomes more subtle--even during activity. Even when first accomplished, breath can be subtle for days at a time. Really the subtlety of breath is connected in a very concrete way, to the subtlety we are able to experience, both in meditation and activity. Traditionally this is linked to the "length" of the breath (in and out). At a certain length, gross siddhis occur. Bring it shorter, you can fly. The entire relationship of subtlety of breath is well known by breath-yogis as to the result. Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to really "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. Then jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point is that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all have died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. But death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. -V. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Jai Guru Dev, Bob. Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > : > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger > message > > > was a > > > > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth > and > > > His > > > > > selection of MMY to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he > > > select MMY to > > > > do it? > > > > > > ** > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in > the > > > forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the > world > > > the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. > > > > > > Bob, you must be joking around again! How do you know that this is > the ONLY reason > > Guru Dev would leave the forest? He might have had a few other > reasons to decide to > > become Shankaracharya. > > > > > Oh, come on, he liked the incense and the public acclaim? It's > ridiculous, he had avoided contact with people just as much as > possible for many years (the little book about his life reminds us > that for a sage, "solitude is the only blessedness" > http://www.kevincarmody.com/vedic/brahmananda.html ), refusing to > take the post as Shankaracharya until Maharishi came of age, and was > available as his disciple. > > It could not have been his mission to speak out a lot of Vedic wisdom > like the founder of his order of monks, Shankara, because Guru Dev > spoke very little. His sole mission was to create an emissary to > enlighten the householder world. It was unnecessary for Guru Dev to > say much of anything -- there is already a ton of Vedic literature, > by Shankara, Vasistha, Vyasa and the other sages -- the need of the > times was to make available a simple mechanical means of raising > one's consciousness without moving into a cave like Guru Dev did > (Vedic knowledge without expanded awareness is like having a map > without a light, it simply can't be understood), and that's exactly > what MMY did to pay his gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) to Guru Dev. > > Bob > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > > > > > > very receptive disciple who had a Western education and spoke > > > English: Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 1:52 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> The logic appeals to me too. But I've now met and read too many > > people doing > >> well on other spiritual paths to believe, as I once did, that TM > > corners the > >> spiritual marketplace. > > > > What does "cornering the spiritual marketplace" mean? That it's the > > ONLY way? The best way? > > > > If it's the former, I never, ever got that impression from either > > MMY or the TMO. > > There's a lesson in the SCI course where M says TM is the only way, but he > goes on to say that anything which transcends it's own activity is TM. Are you sure he used the word "only"? I remember him saying "TM is the way" without the word "only"... > > >If it's the latter then, yeah, it's the impression > > I got and one I myself subscribe to. > > Best for everyone? Without exception? Who knows? That's one of those questions that can never ever be answered because it would take all people to actually do it to answer the question. > > > > But that's within the context of (and this is something MMY ALSO > > said during the same L. Ron Hubbard tape) you can do 100 other > > techniques for self-development as long as you do TM twice a day for > > 20 minutes. > > Do that these days and try getting on a course. TMO and TM = two entirely different things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > : > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger > message > > > was a > > > > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth > and > > > His > > > > > selection of MMY to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he > > > select MMY to > > > > do it? > > > > > > ** > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in > the > > > forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the > world > > > the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. > > > > > > Bob, you must be joking around again! How do you know that this is > the ONLY reason > > Guru Dev would leave the forest? He might have had a few other > reasons to decide to > > become Shankaracharya. > > > > > Oh, come on, he liked the incense and the public acclaim? It's > ridiculous, he had avoided contact with people just as much as > possible for many years (the little book about his life reminds us > that for a sage, "solitude is the only blessedness" > http://www.kevincarmody.com/vedic/brahmananda.html ), refusing to > take the post as Shankaracharya until Maharishi came of age, and was > available as his disciple. > > It could not have been his mission to speak out a lot of Vedic wisdom > like the founder of his order of monks, Shankara, because Guru Dev > spoke very little. His sole mission was to create an emissary to > enlighten the householder world. It was unnecessary for Guru Dev to > say much of anything -- there is already a ton of Vedic literature, > by Shankara, Vasistha, Vyasa and the other sages -- the need of the > times was to make available a simple mechanical means of raising > one's consciousness without moving into a cave like Guru Dev did > (Vedic knowledge without expanded awareness is like having a map > without a light, it simply can't be understood), and that's exactly > what MMY did to pay his gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) to Guru Dev. > > Bob > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html I'm speechless. All I can say in response is that you are an unwavering devotee with your own unique style of thinking (and I am glad it includes humor). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > : > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger message > > was a > > > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth and > > His > > > > selection of MMY to do so. > > > > > > > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he > > select MMY to > > > do it? > > > > ** > Bob Brigante wrote: > > There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in the > > forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the world > > the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. > > Bob, you must be joking around again! How do you know that this is the ONLY reason > Guru Dev would leave the forest? He might have had a few other reasons to decide to > become Shankaracharya. > Oh, come on, he liked the incense and the public acclaim? It's ridiculous, he had avoided contact with people just as much as possible for many years (the little book about his life reminds us that for a sage, "solitude is the only blessedness" http://www.kevincarmody.com/vedic/brahmananda.html ), refusing to take the post as Shankaracharya until Maharishi came of age, and was available as his disciple. It could not have been his mission to speak out a lot of Vedic wisdom like the founder of his order of monks, Shankara, because Guru Dev spoke very little. His sole mission was to create an emissary to enlighten the householder world. It was unnecessary for Guru Dev to say much of anything -- there is already a ton of Vedic literature, by Shankara, Vasistha, Vyasa and the other sages -- the need of the times was to make available a simple mechanical means of raising one's consciousness without moving into a cave like Guru Dev did (Vedic knowledge without expanded awareness is like having a map without a light, it simply can't be understood), and that's exactly what MMY did to pay his gurudakshina (preceptor's fee) to Guru Dev. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > > > very receptive disciple who had a Western education and spoke > > English: Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger message > was a > > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth and > His > > > selection of MMY to do so. > > > > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he > select MMY to > > do it? > > ** Bob Brigante wrote: > There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in the > forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the world > the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. Bob, you must be joking around again! How do you know that this is the ONLY reason Guru Dev would leave the forest? He might have had a few other reasons to decide to become Shankaracharya. > very receptive disciple who had a Western education and spoke > English: Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: full-time teacher of TM
The emails from the local rajas in my area suggested that 1. only people who committed to full time teaching could go on the recert course 2. you would choose or be assigned an area in which to work to teach and build a peace palace 3. salary of $4,ooo per month begins when you complete the course, get your certificate, and arrive in your peace palace area 4. The exact nature of the job was not clear, but generally you are to meditate 3 hours each morning, 3 hours each afternoon, and do 6 hours of "work" in between. This work involves teaching, checking, scouting for land and space in malls for a Peace palace and lots of fund raising to build your $3million palace. 5. The immediate goal is to raise $1.5 million asap and then you are allowed to go to a raja training course and return to your new palace wearing a raja crown. I don't know if you have to pay for raja training, or if you take $1million of the $1.5 mil you just raised for the palace and send intot the TMO for your course fee. If you are into this, seems like the smart thing to do is to select a very wealthy area as your peace palace area so you can quickly raise the expected money from the loac people and get your crown. What you do once you become a raja of your palace, I do not know. Of course, no one dared to ask just how long to expect a regular salary, if there is a limited amount of time that you are allowd to work before your salary is cut off if you don't raise the $, or if there are benefits attached, or if - and here is a creative idea - a portion of that salary will be donated back to the org. for you before you see it. I see it as training a bunch of people to go out and do fund raising, to buy and build real estate in the TMO's name, and then to pay $1mil. to attend a raja course. Then, the TMO can sell the real estate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > anonymousff wrote: > > > > > > > Once you complete the certification training, are you guaranteed to have > > a working position which pays the promised salary? > > > > anyone knows if there is a catch to it and where? :) > > I think the most recent email from one of the Rajas (forwarded here from a > list member) addresses your question. My understanding is no, there is not > a guaranteed income by virtue of recerting. But I could be wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are related to the lunar and solar channels > which when joined transform karmic prana into "jnanic" (transcendental) > prana. These channels are the ascending and descending star-signs of > the year. The inner zodiac. Yes, that much I am familiar with; that would be the Wheel I was speaking of earlier (the outer course of the planetary or Aditya chakras of the akashic, proto-DNA double-helix). > You can take this as far as using a Prana calendar--which Harish used > to publish every year--and it's an ancient yoga science of perfecting > action by alignment with cosmic lifeforce. The elements are constantly > cycling thru these permutations of breath and nostril alternation. > > Yogis who perfect this practice can grok the precise rising sign of a > person, simply by the way they breathe. Interesting; thanks! That possibility never occurred to me. >Each person is unique in this > way, we each have our own unique breath-pattern which is related to the > stellar influence inherent in our first terrestrial breath. Yes, sure -- for some reason, I never thought of linking the two concepts together like that. (I instead looked into mantras for 144 subcategories of the Solar wheel, each covering 2.5 days, and went on in that direction, working out various layers of macro-micro correlation from the akashic down to the physical.) A new twist here! Thanks again! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
I LIKE THAT - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO On Apr 6, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Rory Goff wrote:> I was hoping for a breakdown of the> mechanics behind them, but this is most helpful.You would need to receive transmission of the kalachakra-tantra and then get a lung (reading transmission) to read the texts. Otherwise read the shiva-svarodaya. Then you'll get it. Maybe. It's really rather obscure and requires an oral explanation.It's funny this would come up, because Harish Johari's name came up today for the first time in years. I first learned this science, along with yantra design and painting, from him. What happens is once you grok the relationship between breath and time and the natural alternation of prana between the left and right nostrils, you also realize that there is a cosmic rhythm of prana. By synching the two you can be completely in synch with the cosmos and perform actions in perfect harmony. These are related to the lunar and solar channels which when joined transform karmic prana into "jnanic" (transcendental) prana. These channels are the ascending and descending star-signs of the year. The inner zodiac.You can take this as far as using a Prana calendar--which Harish used to publish every year--and it's an ancient yoga science of perfecting action by alignment with cosmic lifeforce. The elements are constantly cycling thru these permutations of breath and nostril alternation.Yogis who perfect this practice can grok the precise rising sign of a person, simply by the way they breathe. Each person is unique in this way, we each have our own unique breath-pattern which is related to the stellar influence inherent in our first terrestrial breath.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
On Apr 6, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > I was hoping for a breakdown of the > mechanics behind them, but this is most helpful. You would need to receive transmission of the kalachakra-tantra and then get a lung (reading transmission) to read the texts. Otherwise read the shiva-svarodaya. Then you'll get it. Maybe. It's really rather obscure and requires an oral explanation. It's funny this would come up, because Harish Johari's name came up today for the first time in years. I first learned this science, along with yantra design and painting, from him. What happens is once you grok the relationship between breath and time and the natural alternation of prana between the left and right nostrils, you also realize that there is a cosmic rhythm of prana. By synching the two you can be completely in synch with the cosmos and perform actions in perfect harmony. These are related to the lunar and solar channels which when joined transform karmic prana into "jnanic" (transcendental) prana. These channels are the ascending and descending star-signs of the year. The inner zodiac. You can take this as far as using a Prana calendar--which Harish used to publish every year--and it's an ancient yoga science of perfecting action by alignment with cosmic lifeforce. The elements are constantly cycling thru these permutations of breath and nostril alternation. Yogis who perfect this practice can grok the precise rising sign of a person, simply by the way they breathe. Each person is unique in this way, we each have our own unique breath-pattern which is related to the stellar influence inherent in our first terrestrial breath. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > Good one. What's your take on the signicance of 108? My current > > understanding (open to revision) is 9 Lokas X 12 Aditya/Archetypes = > > 108 Loka-Archetypes. (I am more familiar with the 144 as compassing a > > more "fractal" or holographic approach to the 12 rays X 12 subrays/ray > > = 144 subrays, to yield 144 "Solar Angels.") You? > > It's the basic structure of microcosm and macrocosm, and the type of > transcendence that makes their relationship apparent: > > 60 seconds of arc x 180 = 10800 > > It's also the number of stanzas in Rig Ved. The basic formula of the > Shaivite and the Buddhist Kalachakra is based on the fact that 1080 > breaths occur in one hour. Breath = time. Transcending time. > > This goes on and on. 108 is the atomic weight of silver, the moon's > radius is 1080 miles... > > Vedic altar--10800 bricks... Yes, many thanks; good stuff. A lot of this is in Mitchell's books on sacred geometry, I think? I was hoping for a breakdown of the mechanics behind them, but this is most helpful. Since they do seem so lunar, probably RJ's 4-pada x 27 nakshatras is a propos: Would seem maybe to be a triple unfoldment of guna-subguna-subsubguna x the four elements (or four cardinal directions), maybe. Which actually brings us back again to the 12 (guna x elements = Adityas) x 9 (guna-subguna Lokas)...I am kind of sorry I asked *lol* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 4:27 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When asked why his master, Guru Dev, didn't stick around and > enlighten the world, Maharishi said that this would be "too small a > task" for Guru Dev. It's true. He said something like "one small planet was beneath his dignity" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 4 padas of 27 nakshatras or phases of the moon/mind/heart nadis. Hey, thanks, RJ! Some stuff on the mechanics of the nakshatras popped up some time back; didn't think to look at a quad-unfoldment of them. (May tie in well with the 9 lokas too actually since they are already a basis for the nakshatras, as 3 x 3 guna/subgunas.) Food for thought if I ever get on that kick again, which I kind of hope I don't. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > Good one. What's your take on the signicance of 108? My current > understanding (open to revision) is 9 Lokas X 12 Aditya/Archetypes = > 108 Loka-Archetypes. (I am more familiar with the 144 as compassing a > more "fractal" or holographic approach to the 12 rays X 12 subrays/ray > = 144 subrays, to yield 144 "Solar Angels.") You? It's the basic structure of microcosm and macrocosm, and the type of transcendence that makes their relationship apparent: 60 seconds of arc x 180 = 10800 It's also the number of stanzas in Rig Ved. The basic formula of the Shaivite and the Buddhist Kalachakra is based on the fact that 1080 breaths occur in one hour. Breath = time. Transcending time. This goes on and on. 108 is the atomic weight of silver, the moon's radius is 1080 miles... Vedic altar--10800 bricks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
4 padas of 27 nakshatras or phases of the moon/mind/heart nadis. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:> > > How many bedrooms?> > 108 I believeGood one. What's your take on the signicance of 108? My current understanding (open to revision) is 9 Lokas X 12 Aditya/Archetypes = 108 Loka-Archetypes. (I am more familiar with the 144 as compassing a more "fractal" or holographic approach to the 12 rays X 12 subrays/ray = 144 subrays, to yield 144 "Solar Angels.") You?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Oh alright. Sounds like you got it all worked out. Except for one > thing which is that ascension and descention are dualistic and > therefore not of the present. I don't really see what ascension or > descension there is since all is suffering. Though I do know what > drug highs and lows feel like. What happens again when one ascends? > Is that anything like crack or ludes? If so, push away Baby. > As to crack or ludes, I really am not qualified to say; it seemed something like being fully intoxicated and acutely sober simultaneously, fully dreaming while fully awake, with a lot of ecstasy (bliss, that is) and mind-meld thrown in, with STRONGLY erotic aftershocks. :-) Not unlike the old folks experiencing immortality in the movie "Coccoon." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
Head soma melts navel soma, they function together, the ten sister fingers press the soma through the sieve of the brain glands into the shakata barrels of the groin and together they create the vaishvanara lake of colored soma. - Original Message - From: peterklutz To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?) So, the argument has come full circle.. (from possession, to vampiricism, by way of a 'melting(?)' Soma Chakra)--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:01 PM, peterklutz wrote:> > > Given your reply to the original posting, I got the impression you> > might have another take on the experience.> >> > Would you care to elaborate, or was it just a joke?> > > It sounds like you might be describing "Briganate syndrome", a rare > disorder, affecting only TM-Sidhas, where the gods vampirize the soma > dripping from their soma chakra:> > On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:> > 1. The gods rely on humans for Soma, since the gods, not being> enlightened, cannot produce Soma (they also had to drink the nectar> of immortality, Amrita, since they cannot produce that substance> either). It's a free country, until the Natural Law Party takes over,> anyway, so you can regard this as vampirism, but it's just the way> the universe works.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > How many bedrooms? > > 108 I believe Good one. What's your take on the signicance of 108? My current understanding (open to revision) is 9 Lokas X 12 Aditya/Archetypes = 108 Loka-Archetypes. (I am more familiar with the 144 as compassing a more "fractal" or holographic approach to the 12 rays X 12 subrays/ray = 144 subrays, to yield 144 "Solar Angels.") You? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
So, the argument has come full circle.. (from possession, to vampiricism, by way of a 'melting(?)' Soma Chakra) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:01 PM, peterklutz wrote: > > > Given your reply to the original posting, I got the impression you > > might have another take on the experience. > > > > Would you care to elaborate, or was it just a joke? > > > It sounds like you might be describing "Briganate syndrome", a rare > disorder, affecting only TM-Sidhas, where the gods vampirize the soma > dripping from their soma chakra: > > On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > 1. The gods rely on humans for Soma, since the gods, not being > enlightened, cannot produce Soma (they also had to drink the nectar > of immortality, Amrita, since they cannot produce that substance > either). It's a free country, until the Natural Law Party takes over, > anyway, so you can regard this as vampirism, but it's just the way > the universe works. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Thanks for the correlation regarding Krishna in the Gita. I just looked it up. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Yes, that is my understanding. I want to be clear that I am not > > trying to convince others about this. I heard somewhere that Guru > > Dev could've done it Himself but it would've been too easy for Him; > > not enough responsibility, so He found Maharishi (who He works with > > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka). > > > > Makes sense to me, as I have in the course of my career come across > > jobs that just didn't feel dharmic. I'm sure the same down to Earth > > rules apply even with such exalted Beings. > > > > Thanks, Jim > > > * > > When asked why his master, Guru Dev, didn't stick around and > enlighten the world, Maharishi said that this would be "too small a > task" for Guru Dev. A similar note is struck in the last paragraphs > of Maharishi's commentary on Ch. 1, verse 15 of the Bhagavad Gita > where Maharishi notes that "The occasion [the epic battle recounted > in the Mahabharata] was too far beneath the divinity of Lord Krishna > for Him to respond." > > Bob > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, that is my understanding. I want to be clear that I am not > trying to convince others about this. I heard somewhere that Guru > Dev could've done it Himself but it would've been too easy for Him; > not enough responsibility, so He found Maharishi (who He works with > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka). > > Makes sense to me, as I have in the course of my career come across > jobs that just didn't feel dharmic. I'm sure the same down to Earth > rules apply even with such exalted Beings. > > Thanks, Jim > * When asked why his master, Guru Dev, didn't stick around and enlighten the world, Maharishi said that this would be "too small a task" for Guru Dev. A similar note is struck in the last paragraphs of Maharishi's commentary on Ch. 1, verse 15 of the Bhagavad Gita where Maharishi notes that "The occasion [the epic battle recounted in the Mahabharata] was too far beneath the divinity of Lord Krishna for Him to respond." Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? > *** Maharishi was not saying that there was anything good about Scientology -- the implication was quite the opposite: if L. Ron Hubbard could take a sweating piece of crap like Scientology which Hubbard cooked up a year after his famous statement at a science- fiction writers' convention that "The fastest way to get rich is to start a religion," and make it a wealthy international organization, then Hubbard could have taken the powerful and useful TM and made it successful quickly. Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > > > character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > > > manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > > > ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > > > > Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on > the TTC > > I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other > spiritual leader > > he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if > Hubbard had > > been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > > already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > > said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:36 PM, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Once you complete the certification training, are you guaranteed to have a working position which pays the promised salary? Sure. But by that time the promised salary will be zero.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger message was a > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth and His > > selection of MMY to do so. > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he select MMY to > do it? ** There was no reason for Guru Dev to abandon his life of bliss in the forest unless it was his intention to give householders of the world the opportunity to enjoy that bliss, too. For that Guru Dev needed a very receptive disciple who had a Western education and spoke English: Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Apr 5, 2005, at 10:57 PM, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > The whole purpose of scientific research is to avoid having to rely > > on anecdotal evidence. I've never taken any anti-depressants, > > That's obvious. > > > > > Your comments about only over-prescribed anti-depressants being > > responsible for either lack of results or negative results is not > > supported by the research. > > Utter nonsense. So where's the research supporting your claim, Sunshine? > > > The fact is, talk therapy is just as > > effective as anti-depressants for making people feel better > > temporarily > > More nonsense. I've noticed when you cite, it's usually from journals > that have little or nothing to do with anything medical. That's very funny, since the citation I offered was clearly medical research conducted at the University of Pennsylvania and Vanderbilt U. In fact, > anti-depressants have helped millions, whether they believed they could > do any good or not. Your placebo effect theory has no basis whatsoever > in reality. > You clearly are invested in the notion that anti-depressants have helped you, and that's OK, but you are just not making rational responses to the American Psychological Research I cited which clearly shows that so-called anti-depressants are no more effective than placebos: http://www.journals.apa.org/prevention/volume5/pre0050023a.html > > (in the long run, only transcending thru TM could > > possibly make one feel better -- depression means a lack of > > experience of one's nature, bliss consciousness): > > It must be nice, I guess, to live in some alternate reality in which if > you repeat something over and over, it magically becomes true. Or > something like that. Sunshine, that land of alternate reality is clearly yours, not mine. When you get off the Prozac, please feel free to resume your practice of TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Oh alright. Sounds like you got it all worked out. Except for one
thing which is that ascension and descention are dualistic and
therefore not of the present. I don't really see what ascension or
descension there is since all is suffering. Though I do know what
drug highs and lows feel like. What happens again when one ascends?
Is that anything like crack or ludes? If so, push away Baby.
Ascension/Descension is of the present when it is of known to be of
the present. That is, it is always present as our Universal
Archetype, but may not be perceived as such -- particularly when we
perceive ourself as firmly ensconced in space-time (i.e., "not-here-
now"). As far as I know the whole process is optional. It may begin
not long after Understanding Self as "Brahman," but begins in
earnest after realizing one is not only THAT, but also THAT
collapsing into bindu-point(s). At this point everything is NOT all
the same anymore, and the practice entails finding one's HERE-
NOW "point-of-tension" or need-to-be-of-service or need-to-know.
Much of this process after "Brahman" involves incarnating more and
more thoroughly as Spirit into the body. Ascension carries "bow-
waves" of itself into the "past" which would be experienced as run-
throughs or rehearsals on the subtle planes, generally as a more-or-
less automatic result of the "need-to-know" process of asking
certain questions and receiving certain answers. It would seems that
the vowelled mahamantra may be most useful between "Brahman" and
Ascension ("Shiva"), but I would not want to limit it arbitrarily.
I believe we could say it occurs (getting back to the old model
again) when the Purusha and Prakriti are completely merged in the
new body: Prakriti having ascended all the way to the head and
Purusha having descended all the way to the base. It results after
one has learned to "know (the Universe) by Being," and to raise and
lower the vibration of the so-called "physical" body (perhaps with
help from one's "higher Self" --Pleaidean Self et al.), completely
into Light, and thence levitating up out of and then down into the
physical realms. It results when one sincerely (and innocently)
wants to know what it would feel like to be an "Ascended Master."
The process (like Life) appears to be simultaneously natural and
almost unbelievably intense, as it rearranges all our preconceptions
about reality on the most fundamental levels. If there is more to it
than that, I do not know it; I certainly do not know all there is to
know about it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 1:52 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> The logic appeals to me too. But I've now met and read too many > people doing >> well on other spiritual paths to believe, as I once did, that TM > corners the >> spiritual marketplace. > > What does "cornering the spiritual marketplace" mean? That it's the > ONLY way? The best way? > > If it's the former, I never, ever got that impression from either > MMY or the TMO. There's a lesson in the SCI course where M says TM is the only way, but he goes on to say that anything which transcends it's own activity is TM. >If it's the latter then, yeah, it's the impression > I got and one I myself subscribe to. Best for everyone? Without exception? > > But that's within the context of (and this is something MMY ALSO > said during the same L. Ron Hubbard tape) you can do 100 other > techniques for self-development as long as you do TM twice a day for > 20 minutes. Do that these days and try getting on a course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 4/6/05 12:04 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote> >>> >>> Excellent! I have always found that healthy skepticism works > wonders! >>> >>> I also heard that if you can imagine it, it exists. Or put another > way >>> there is nothing that can be imagined that doesn't exist. >> >> So if I imagine that little purple munchkins live under the bush > outside my >> window and are busy making me psychedelic cookies in their magic > oven, that >> somehow brings them into existence? On a more practical level, if I'm >> starving and spend my time imagining food, does that nourish me? > > I think his phrase "if you can imagine it, it exists" is a paraphrase > of something I heard in an MIU physics class (and this very well may > be a paraphrase, too, as I am going on memory): "everything that isn't > disallowed from occuring, occurs". > I guess I'll give up on the psychedelic cookies, unless Rudra Joe sends me some. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
On Apr 6, 2005, at 5:01 PM, peterklutz wrote: > Given your reply to the original posting, I got the impression you > might have another take on the experience. > > Would you care to elaborate, or was it just a joke? It sounds like you might be describing "Briganate syndrome", a rare disorder, affecting only TM-Sidhas, where the gods vampirize the soma dripping from their soma chakra: On Mar 15, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: 1. The gods rely on humans for Soma, since the gods, not being enlightened, cannot produce Soma (they also had to drink the nectar of immortality, Amrita, since they cannot produce that substance either). It's a free country, until the Natural Law Party takes over, anyway, so you can regard this as vampirism, but it's just the way the universe works. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
Given your reply to the original posting, I got the impression you might have another take on the experience. Would you care to elaborate, or was it just a joke? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah. > - Original Message - > From: peterklutz > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:22 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?) > > > > > Really..? > > Is this guy alright? > > http://images.exoticindiaart.com/tantra/ht68.jpg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fool, that's soma chakra melting from the sahasra. > > - Original Message - > > From: peterklutz > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:04 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Possessed? > > > > > > > > > > Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appear > > possessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burning > > sensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingers > digging in. > > > > I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flying > > halls, too. > > > > Any word on what this is? > > > > The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the > > 'night-bug effect')? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > > > > -- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Pashupatinath
KATHMANDU, NEPAL, April 4, 2005: A 17th-century icon of the Hindu God Vishnu has been stolen from Nepal's world famous Pashupatinath temple, Xinhua reports. The two-and-a-half-foot tall Shankar Narayan icon was stolen Sunday night from the heavily guarded temple located in the city. Pashupatinath temple is one of the seven Unesco World Heritage Sites. Even though a police beat is situated nearby, nobody came to know about the theft until a construction worker reported it to police. "I noticed that the icon was not in its place at midnight and I immediately informed the police," the worker told reporters Monday. The icon was placed on the right side of the temple's main gate. Besides the five-member police beat, the Pashupati Area Development Trust has deployed 18 security personnel for safety of the temple. Police said they are questioning 30 people with in connection with the theft. --HPI To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
Yeah. - Original Message - From: peterklutz To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?) Really..?Is this guy alright? http://images.exoticindiaart.com/tantra/ht68.jpg--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Fool, that's soma chakra melting from the sahasra. > - Original Message - > From: peterklutz > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:04 PM> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Possessed?> > > > > Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appear> possessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burning> sensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingersdigging in.> > I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flying> halls, too.> > Any word on what this is?> > The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the> 'night-bug effect')?> > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > > > >--> Yahoo! Groups Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
That's one of Harish Johari's paintings. On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:22 PM, peterklutz wrote: > Really..? > > Is this guy alright? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] full-time teacher of TM
anonymousff wrote: > > > Once you complete the certification training, are you guaranteed to have > a working position which pays the promised salary? > > anyone knows if there is a catch to it and where? :) I think the most recent email from one of the Rajas (forwarded here from a list member) addresses your question. My understanding is no, there is not a guaranteed income by virtue of recerting. But I could be wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] full-time teacher of TM
Once you complete the certification training, are you guaranteed to have a working position which pays the promised salary? anyone knows if there is a catch to it and where? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
Really..? Is this guy alright? http://images.exoticindiaart.com/tantra/ht68.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fool, that's soma chakra melting from the sahasra. > - Original Message - > From: peterklutz > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:04 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Possessed? > > > > > Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appear > possessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burning > sensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingers digging in. > > I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flying > halls, too. > > Any word on what this is? > > The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the > 'night-bug effect')? > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 12:04 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote> > > > > Excellent! I have always found that healthy skepticism works wonders! > > > > I also heard that if you can imagine it, it exists. Or put another way > > there is nothing that can be imagined that doesn't exist. > > So if I imagine that little purple munchkins live under the bush outside my > window and are busy making me psychedelic cookies in their magic oven, that > somehow brings them into existence? On a more practical level, if I'm > starving and spend my time imagining food, does that nourish me? I think his phrase "if you can imagine it, it exists" is a paraphrase of something I heard in an MIU physics class (and this very well may be a paraphrase, too, as I am going on memory): "everything that isn't disallowed from occuring, occurs". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 11:23 AM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > >>> character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > >>> manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > >>> ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > >> > >> Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC > >> I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader > >> he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had > >> been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > >> already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > >> said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. > > > > All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be a > > simple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better, > > more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone and > > certainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he also > > said, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really > > being > > an impediment), it is TM (or tm). > > > The logic appeal to me too. But I've now met and read too many people doing > well on other spiritual paths to believe, as I once did, that TM corners the > spiritual marketplace. What does "cornering the spiritual marketplace" mean? That it's the ONLY way? The best way? If it's the former, I never, ever got that impression from either MMY or the TMO. If it's the latter then, yeah, it's the impression I got and one I myself subscribe to. But that's within the context of (and this is something MMY ALSO said during the same L. Ron Hubbard tape) you can do 100 other techniques for self-development as long as you do TM twice a day for 20 minutes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > How many bedrooms? 108 I believe To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Possessed?
And what does that mean..? Is it good? Bad? People don't look too happy when it happens. Please answer before nurse Diesel makes her next round. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fool, that's soma chakra melting from the sahasra. > - Original Message - > From: peterklutz > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:04 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Possessed? > > > > > Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appear > possessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burning > sensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingers digging in. > > I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flying > halls, too. > > Any word on what this is? > > The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the > 'night-bug effect')? > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > -- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Possessed?
Fool, that's soma chakra melting from the sahasra. - Original Message - From: peterklutz To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Possessed? Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appearpossessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burningsensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingers digging in.I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flyinghalls, too.Any word on what this is?The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the'night-bug effect')?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
TM for me was good shamatha with focus, with some extra knowledge. Frankly it doesn't beat awareness of the present however. As a chef, I work very in the present, and like other hunter/gatherers who forage amongst great enemies my senses have to be very alert, so prolly this is why I find that my new meditation technique simply called, awareness of the now, should not be practiced, do not practice awareness of the now. However, if you give me ten thousand dollars you can practice this technique, and become aware of the present. - Original Message - From: Don To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO Rick Archer wrote:> on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> >> > I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in> > character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual> > manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty> > ensure the techniques taught by His own movement.>> Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC> I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader> he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had> been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished> already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just> said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM.All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be asimple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better,more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone andcertainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he alsosaid, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really beingan impediment), it is TM (or tm).To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
Oh alright. Sounds like you got it all worked out. Except for one thing which is that ascension and descention are dualistic and therefore not of the present. I don't really see what ascension or descension there is since all is suffering. Though I do know what drug highs and lows feel like. What happens again when one ascends? Is that anything like crack or ludes? If so, push away Baby. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> It's in the nature of dna to spin off mrna spontaneously so one can't have that spin off without the closures. At least give me an 'M.' or NG.' I am the mantra master, you can't pass go without my approval. You'll find that 's' improves DNA/MRNA crossover, N and NG, and M all improve Pineal sparked dmt and 5 meo production which leads to direct biological sentience through increased DNA connection. DNA must step down so the flesh can step up. Virtually all the seed mantras do employ nasals and the like; this one though is pure vowel overtones -- for ascension purposes, primarily. If you prefer, you can just run through 12 basic seed-mantras in sequence around the wheel: IEM, IAMh (Ee-AhMf), EONdh (Eh-AWNdh, with tongue between teeth on the nasal), AUNh, OWN (pronounced something like AW-OOv-Nyuh),UWNkh (OO-WOONkh), WUNG, WONh (OOv-AW-hnyuh), UAN, OEMth, AIMv, EIMh. These all step the energies down from the "absolute" (vowel) to the "buddhic" (nasal) subplanes. If you want to use "S" (or any other fricatives), that steps them down one level further, to the "mental" subplane. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
How many bedrooms? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > He works with > > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka > > Old news. He's now in a condo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:01 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > He works with > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka Old news. He's now in a condo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
It has to be taken with the earlier statement about discriminating between what is Real and what is not. Once one is tuned to that Reality, then, if you imagine these purple things outside your window I would say, Yes they are probably there. On the other hand, about the food, unless you are very advanced, and by imagining the food can manifest it (as I have heard done), I would say you aren't in touch with Reality, and so you will stay hungry. Or eventually give up and go to the supermarket. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 12:04 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote> > > > > Excellent! I have always found that healthy skepticism works wonders! > > > > I also heard that if you can imagine it, it exists. Or put another way > > there is nothing that can be imagined that doesn't exist. > > So if I imagine that little purple munchkins live under the bush outside my > window and are busy making me psychedelic cookies in their magic oven, that > somehow brings them into existence? On a more practical level, if I'm > starving and spend my time imagining food, does that nourish me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 12:26 PM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > Rick Archer wrote: > >> on 4/6/05 12:14 PM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> >>> >>> Rick Archer wrote: >>> on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such a favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. >>> >>> Hearing that MMY comment about Hubbard is a stand-out memory from my TTC. >>> Maharishi almost seemed pissed to me when he said it but I never got it, >>> either... why he felt that way about the man. >> >> Were you on the Belgium TTC or did he say it on your TTC also or did you >> watch a tape of the Belgium TTC "Other Systems" meeting, which I hear has >> become standard fare on TTCs? >> > > I was nine weeks at Majorca, leaving April 4, 1971. He said it there, live. So Belgium was 3 years later. He was still saying it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/6/05 12:14 PM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? > >> > >> Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such > >> a > >> favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. > > > > Hearing that MMY comment about Hubbard is a stand-out memory from my TTC. > > Maharishi almost seemed pissed to me when he said it but I never got it, > > either... why he felt that way about the man. > > Were you on the Belgium TTC or did he say it on your TTC also or did you > watch a tape of the Belgium TTC "Other Systems" meeting, which I hear has > become standard fare on TTCs? > I was nine weeks at Majorca, leaving April 4, 1971. He said it there, live. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/6/05 11:54 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Technique versus content.. > > > > Is it useful to compare a meditation technique and a person using it > > with a driver and a car? > > > > Yes, there are different kinds of cars, but what determines who wins > > the race is the sincerity and quality of the driver - not necessarily > > the features of the car. > > > > Maybe people using less effective techniques than TM still comes home > > before closet-fascist-governors with all their AT:s and Sidhiprograms? > > Maharishi said on the Santa Barbara ATR that we initiators shouldn't let our > evolutionary status go to our heads because there are many people in this > world not practicing TM who are much more evolved than we are. > Amen! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 12:14 PM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > Rick Archer wrote: > >> on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? >> >> Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such a >> favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. > > Hearing that MMY comment about Hubbard is a stand-out memory from my TTC. > Maharishi almost seemed pissed to me when he said it but I never got it, > either... why he felt that way about the man. Were you on the Belgium TTC or did he say it on your TTC also or did you watch a tape of the Belgium TTC "Other Systems" meeting, which I hear has become standard fare on TTCs? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 12:04 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote> > > Excellent! I have always found that healthy skepticism works wonders! > > I also heard that if you can imagine it, it exists. Or put another way > there is nothing that can be imagined that doesn't exist. So if I imagine that little purple munchkins live under the bush outside my window and are busy making me psychedelic cookies in their magic oven, that somehow brings them into existence? On a more practical level, if I'm starving and spend my time imagining food, does that nourish me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? > > Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such a > favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. Hearing that MMY comment about Hubbard is a stand-out memory from my TTC. Maharishi almost seemed pissed to me when he said it but I never got it, either... why he felt that way about the man. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/6/05 11:23 AM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > >>> character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > >>> manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > >>> ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > >> > >> Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the > >> TTC > >> I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual > >> leader > >> he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had > >> been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > >> already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > >> said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. > > > > All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be a > > simple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better, > > more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone and > > certainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he > > also > > said, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really > > being > > an impediment), it is TM (or tm). > > > The logic appeal to me too. But I've now met and read too many people doing > well on other spiritual paths to believe, as I once did, that TM corners the > spiritual marketplace. Nor do I believe TM corners the marketplace or is the only game in town... different strokes, karmas, times, places and all that. I know people doing well on other paths, too... or no "path" at all. But what they do is not TM... effortless transcending. If transcending effortlessly is best for you (me, whoever), then MMY makes a case for TM and distinguishes it from other techniques. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Possessed?
Remarkably often in TM-settings, I've encountered people who appear possessed or remotely-controlled, it appears to start as a burning sensation descending into the Sahasrara chakra like fingers digging in. I've seen something similar with animals in the vicinity of flying halls, too. Any word on what this is? The flipside of the below quota Super Radiance Effect (i.e.l the 'night-bug effect')? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Excellent! I have always found that healthy skepticism works wonders! I also heard that if you can imagine it, it exists. Or put another way there is nothing that can be imagined that doesn't exist. So yes, I probably do have an over-active imagination, though I am not sure what that is exactly... Respectfully, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 11:50 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Don't worry, I retain a healthy skepticism, and suspect that you have an > over-active imagination. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 11:54 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Technique versus content.. > > Is it useful to compare a meditation technique and a person using it > with a driver and a car? > > Yes, there are different kinds of cars, but what determines who wins > the race is the sincerity and quality of the driver - not necessarily > the features of the car. > > Maybe people using less effective techniques than TM still comes home > before closet-fascist-governors with all their AT:s and Sidhiprograms? Maharishi said on the Santa Barbara ATR that we initiators shouldn't let our evolutionary status go to our heads because there are many people in this world not practicing TM who are much more evolved than we are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > So the thing is I am a seeker after the truth, Reality, as we all > are. > > What I have found is by meditation and discrimination, the false > > becomes seperated from the non-false. After awhile the vibrations of > > both become known. Naturally after going through this process one > > becomes sensitive to both, though favoring the non-false. Tuned to > the > > non-false so to speak. Once the relationship to the non-false > becomes > > established it becomes a play of one finding the non-false and the > non- > > false finding the one. > > Very sweetly put, Jim -- thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 11:50 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So the thing is I am a seeker after the truth, Reality, as we all are. > What I have found is by meditation and discrimination, the false > becomes seperated from the non-false. After awhile the vibrations of > both become known. Naturally after going through this process one > becomes sensitive to both, though favoring the non-false. Tuned to the > non-false so to speak. Once the relationship to the non-false becomes > established it becomes a play of one finding the non-false and the non- > false finding the one. > > I hope that answers your question. I don't want to try to convince you > of what I have said about Guru Dev and Maharishi earlier. Don't worry, I retain a healthy skepticism, and suspect that you have an over-active imagination. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? > > Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such a > favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. Maybe they were pals on Atlantis To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Technique versus content.. Is it useful to compare a meditation technique and a person using it with a driver and a car? Yes, there are different kinds of cars, but what determines who wins the race is the sincerity and quality of the driver - not necessarily the features of the car. Maybe people using less effective techniques than TM still comes home before closet-fascist-governors with all their AT:s and Sidhiprograms? With 95% of the road to CC covered, how much is 'TM' and how much is natural ability? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > > > character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > > > manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > > > ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > > > > Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC > > I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader > > he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had > > been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > > already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > > said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. > > All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be a > simple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better, > more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone and > certainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he also > said, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really being > an impediment), it is TM (or tm). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So the thing is I am a seeker after the truth, Reality, as we all are. > What I have found is by meditation and discrimination, the false > becomes seperated from the non-false. After awhile the vibrations of > both become known. Naturally after going through this process one > becomes sensitive to both, though favoring the non-false. Tuned to the > non-false so to speak. Once the relationship to the non-false becomes > established it becomes a play of one finding the non-false and the non- > false finding the one. Very sweetly put, Jim -- thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
So the thing is I am a seeker after the truth, Reality, as we all are. What I have found is by meditation and discrimination, the false becomes seperated from the non-false. After awhile the vibrations of both become known. Naturally after going through this process one becomes sensitive to both, though favoring the non-false. Tuned to the non-false so to speak. Once the relationship to the non-false becomes established it becomes a play of one finding the non-false and the non- false finding the one. I hope that answers your question. I don't want to try to convince you of what I have said about Guru Dev and Maharishi earlier. Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 11:01 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > Yes, that is my understanding. I want to be clear that I am not > > trying to convince others about this. I heard somewhere that Guru > > Dev could've done it Himself but it would've been too easy for Him; > > not enough responsibility, so He found Maharishi (who He works with > > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka). > > You heard this, did you? And who had the inside scoop on this info? Does he > play the stock market? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's in the nature of dna to spin off mrna spontaneously so one can't have that spin off without the closures. At least give me an 'M.' or NG.' I am the mantra master, you can't pass go without my approval. You'll find that 's' improves DNA/MRNA crossover, N and NG, and M all improve Pineal sparked dmt and 5 meo production which leads to direct biological sentience through increased DNA connection. DNA must step down so the flesh can step up. Virtually all the seed mantras do employ nasals and the like; this one though is pure vowel overtones -- for ascension purposes, primarily. If you prefer, you can just run through 12 basic seed-mantras in sequence around the wheel: IEM, IAMh (Ee-AhMf), EONdh (Eh-AWNdh, with tongue between teeth on the nasal), AUNh, OWN (pronounced something like AW-OOv-Nyuh),UWNkh (OO-WOONkh), WUNG, WONh (OOv-AW-hnyuh), UAN, OEMth, AIMv, EIMh. These all step the energies down from the "absolute" (vowel) to the "buddhic" (nasal) subplanes. If you want to use "S" (or any other fricatives), that steps them down one level further, to the "mental" subplane. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hmm, I like this dna thing Rory. Very Interesting, yes, a new cult > could form from it. It's very neat. Is there no 'S' in your > mahamantra? Or 'N' ? > > Yes, let's start a new cult! You can be the boss. Just send half of > what you make to me --er, International. *rofl* Let me make it perfectly clear this was a (not very good) joke -- if anyone starts to use this info for material gain or power "over" others, I will ask Bobaji to put them under an oak tree and zap them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 10:40 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? Not that I know of. Nor did I ever hear MMY explain how he had gotten such a favorable impression of L. Ron Hubbard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 11:23 AM, Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Rick Archer wrote: > >> on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in >>> character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual >>> manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty >>> ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. >> >> Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC >> I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader >> he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had >> been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished >> already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just >> said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. > > All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be a > simple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better, > more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone and > certainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he also > said, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really > being > an impediment), it is TM (or tm). > The logic appeal to me too. But I've now met and read too many people doing well on other spiritual paths to believe, as I once did, that TM corners the spiritual marketplace. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
It's in the nature of dna to spin off mrna spontaneously so one can't have that spin off without the closures. At least give me an 'M.' or NG.' I am the mantra master, you can't pass go without my approval. You'll find that 's' improves DNA/MRNA crossover, N and NG, and M all improve Pineal sparked dmt and 5 meo production which leads to direct biological sentience through increased DNA connection. DNA must step down so the flesh can step up. I still really do dig the idea of a dna based cult of evolution. I think it can be done. That would be especially valuable in the coming times when materialism is all we have. When there's advertising on the inside of our eyelids and so on. If the Buddhas be skilled then they will make ways for progress even on advertised eyes. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> Hmm, I like this dna thing Rory. Very Interesting, yes, a new cult could form from it. It's very neat. Is there no 'S' in your mahamantra? Or 'N' ?Yes, let's start a new cult! You can be the boss. Just send half of what you make to me --er, International. *rofl*This particular mahamantra is as close to the absolute as possible, so no closures, just vowels. From vowels to liquids to nasals to fricatives to affricates to plosives, that's the play from most absolute to most material (subray) within a given loka.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 11:01 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > Yes, that is my understanding. I want to be clear that I am not > trying to convince others about this. I heard somewhere that Guru > Dev could've done it Himself but it would've been too easy for Him; > not enough responsibility, so He found Maharishi (who He works with > unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka). You heard this, did you? And who had the inside scoop on this info? Does he play the stock market? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > > character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > > manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > > ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > > Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC > I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader > he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had > been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. All the reasons I heard were valid if you believe and experience TM to be a simple, natural technique to transcend without effort. What could be better, more efficient, than that? Maybe TM is not *the* technique for everyone and certainly there are other means to speed up spiritual growth. But, as he also said, if something else allows you to transcend w/o effort (effort really being an impediment), it is TM (or tm). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
RJ don't need no stinkin' nurses.--But those are the kind I prefer.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "crukstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if we did that, there would be no reason for this site to exist or > for these discussions. What makes you say that? I know I like talking to myself a lot :-) >We would all just 'know' and that would be it. > Maybe then people would invent ignorance pills that would be consumed > at private parties and people would just stand around and talk. > Hey...wait a minute! *lol* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 10:30 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > > > Relax, rudra_joe > > > > The nurses are on their way with your medication. > > RJ don't need no stinkin' nurses. On the other hand...shakti rocks To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > neti neti Exactly To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Cincinnati during the depression? ;-) > > -Peter > > As much as you ever were. ;-) > > > good one dude, good one. clap clap, me too. I used to think of getting out, but then I noticed that the peeling paint made good folk art. *lol* I was enjoying the stains on the wallpaper myself To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm, I like this dna thing Rory. Very Interesting, yes, a new cult could form from it. It's very neat. Is there no 'S' in your mahamantra? Or 'N' ? Yes, let's start a new cult! You can be the boss. Just send half of what you make to me --er, International. *rofl* This particular mahamantra is as close to the absolute as possible, so no closures, just vowels. From vowels to liquids to nasals to fricatives to affricates to plosives, that's the play from most absolute to most material (subray) within a given loka. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Yes, that is my understanding. I want to be clear that I am not trying to convince others about this. I heard somewhere that Guru Dev could've done it Himself but it would've been too easy for Him; not enough responsibility, so He found Maharishi (who He works with unceasingly from his throne on Brahmaloka). Makes sense to me, as I have in the course of my career come across jobs that just didn't feel dharmic. I'm sure the same down to Earth rules apply even with such exalted Beings. Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 7:16 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I completely agree. What I was exploring in that larger message was a > > logical link between Guru Dev's desire to enlighten the Earth and His > > selection of MMY to do so. > > Did Guru Dev have a desire to enlighten the earth, and did he select MMY to > do it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Minions
Right on! You rock. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand, free of belief in the perfect positivity of the absolute and with the essential knowledge of the union of dark and light in the Dharmata, one is free to explore the union of dark and light and play of positive outsomes in the relative and what one sees is that the forces which tie one down are endless, as endless as kundalini playing out and what those forces are are legions of specificly addicting drugs, moral abandonments and other amusements which merely make time pass faster. The true atemporal reality is reached through boredom, faith, ascertainment of the now as presence, and surrender. And needs no salemanship or method, or recursive reckoning. Whatever trys to sell the now, and sell perfect awareness of the present is an elaboration and therefore a minionization of the Absolute. So therefore any step of action forward from the perspective of the Absolute would be a minionization, and if it sets up a surface of acquisition then it is a demon of lust and greed and ego. But the return of such thing to it's place on the shelf of the mind as a volumn to peruse is the best use of such a thing, not it's mere following just because it was so. All beliefs are just that, and when they maim and kill they have ceased to be of use to life. So therefore, no belief is the best bet in the long run. From a health of mind standpoint. And yet we minionize everything all the time and never agree. Because we have become one of the minions. Where do the minions cease? And what would its nature be? Ah just simply you and me. > > BTW, I write this shit because it makes me feel like I know something, which in action is patently not so. For anyone to follow my words as if they meant something would be silly. I write because I'm bored, because the stereo with Finger Eleven Greyest of Blue Skies is on, because I hope you guys will rock, because I am out, because I can't go smoke a joe, just because. Don't listen to my words though because they mean nothing. "Try walking in my shoes...You stumble in my footsteps, You'll keep the same appointments I've kept, If you try walking in my shoes" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
Perfect!
Thanks, Jim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Additional comment below:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > She also lays out the 12 consciousness-forms in a
straightforward
> > row, from the 1 (Sun) to 2 (Mercury) to 3 (Venus) and so on, all
> the
> > way out to the 12 ("Lunar" or outermost Systemic body); these
are
> > her "planets." Meanwhile "as" Brahma in Purusha She wants to
span
> > the vertical "sushumna" or torus-core between Vishnu/Indra below
> Her
> > (Her feet chakra) and Shiva/Rudra above Her (Her crown chakra).
In
> > recognizing Herself as the central 13, the sum of the rays, she
> > arranges the 12 into six chakra-pairs, each pair containing 13
> > consciousness-points (i.e. Herself) between them, and strings
> these
> > pairs as 6 rungs down and up a spiralling double-helix "ladder"
> > around herSelf: 1 (Sun) through 6 (Jupiter) down, and 7 (Saturn)
> > through 12 ("Moon" or outermost Systemic body) up --essentially,
> > proto-DNA. (Actually, this double-spiral ladder consists of
> stacked
> > tetrahedra flanked by octahedra, again simple Universal-space
> > geometry, but that's a lot easier to show than to describe.)
>
> It is these Akashic strings or rungs, I believe, that are
> the "cotton fiber(s)" enlivened (ideally) when one does samyama on
> the relationship between the body and the Akasha, AND the
lightness
> of cotton fiber. I suspect they probably form not only the rungs
of
> one's prototypical DNA, but also are behind the string theory of
> spacetime. I have definitely found the mantric value of the
various
> strings -- I E A (H) O U W - W U O (H) A E I -- especially when
> understood and chanted as overtones -- to be supremely useful in
> purifying the entire body into its primordial bliss and lightness,
> at certain stages along the path.
>
> Other mantras (and words in general) are pretty easily (re)
> cognizable as being place-markers along these rungs when one
applies
> neighboring diphthings to distinguish between left and right
chakras
> of a given rung (e.g. "E" for the throat, but "AI(M)" for
> Mercury/Maya/Magician/Namer and "IA(Mh)" for Isis/South
> Node/Enchantress/Musician; "O" for the navel, but "AU(Nh)" for the
> Fowler/Brooder/Cosmic Egg and "UAN" for the Hunter/Warrior, and so
> on.
>
> We can also apply similar linguistic rules (front of the mouth =
top
> of the body; back of the mouth = bottom of the body) for
consonants:
> labials (like B,P) in the head, labio-dentals (F, V) in the
throat,
> linguodentals (if that's the right term; I mean tongue between
front
> teeth and contacting bottom of teeth, as in TH) in the heart, and
so
> on. All of this stuff is given in much greater detail on the
website
> (artesmagicae.com) in the Archives, if interested.
>
> There's also a lot more material there on the dynamics of the 12
> Archetypes (Adityas) and so on, if anyone is interested.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Were there any attempts by the TMO to merge/assimilate Scientology? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 7:09 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I've never done TTC, but, as you indicate - I would find it to be in > > character with MMY to poke holes in other practices in a factual > > manner, i.e. for valid reasons - just as I would expect Him to quailty > > ensure the techniques taught by His own movement. > > Not sure how valid the reasons were in some cases. In the session on the TTC > I taught, in Westende, Belgium, March, 1974, the only other spiritual leader > he commented on positively was L. Ron Hubbard. He said that if Hubbard had > been running the TM movement, it's goals would have been accomplished > already. Of course, he wasn't negative toward Yogananda and others. Just > said that their techniques didn't measure up to TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/6/05 7:19 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I don't remember, > > > > If you really want to, you can. > > > > Doing so just might give your personal evolution a nice boost. Much of > > what happens in our lives really don't makes sense until seen in a > > greater perspective, like hundreds of thousands to millions of years.. > > > >> but I have done some reading, most recently at this > >> address: http://www.dalitstan.org/books/gowh/gowh-i.html > >> It is just nauseating. > > > > One has to ge back before Kali Yuga (i.e. +5000 years back). The only > > really acceptable way of life is found during Sat Yuga. I certainly > > didn't have much fun in, even though the gizmos were kind of cool.. > > > So you're saying you remember your past lives back then? How clearly and in > how much detail and how do you know you're not just fantasizing? And is it > really that useful, as compared with living more fully in the Now? It's all in the now. Time is an illusion. Past is dust. The scale on which jivas operate is so much vaster than many seem to believe. The details are useful for the recaller, since they explain individual evolution: cause and effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
on 4/6/05 10:30 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > Relax, rudra_joe > > The nurses are on their way with your medication. RJ don't need no stinkin' nurses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Relax, rudra_joe The nurses are on their way with your medication. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peterklutz: > > The TMO is a mirage; it does not exist; it's the battle field where > the forces of light find themselves involved in a struggle with the > forces of darkness. > > RJ: > > The TMO doesn't exist, and won't exist much longer, and yet won't exist again in the future. A perpetual nonmovement always teetering on the abyss. Maharishi is the one locked in the dualism of struggle of light and dark. In reality, light and dark must both exist or the Earth will burst into flames or freeze into night. Buck light or dark and the battle is for survival, but light and dark prop each other like two dear friends. > > All this motive force to fight a shadow, a shadow which is the world animus and the source of possiblity. Those who buck the dark, are afraid of it! > > Dark is not evil, it is sooth. Evil is evil. Analogies are ignorant. Evil, dark, black are not synonyms. The forces of light are not moral forces but mere reflections, we humans are moral arbiters in our choices. For us, motive is usually against our inner scapegoat and towards our ideal of perfection. But that scapegoat of our repressed evils is not the darkness itself which is the chocolate of life. No, evil is our take on the darkness and our moral inability to bring the dark to light in a responsible and creative manner utilizing destruction for removing the obstructions of the dark. Hence Sivaratri, dark practices, cycles of the dark moon, et coagula. > > Using the dark is a moral and human choice to liberate or enslave, through self realization or mere glamour and advertising. In Kaballah the otiginal sphere of the Ain is dark, and the sphere of understanding Binah is dark. In Dao Yin is dark. In these things dark is the complement to wisdom and perception. If one looks through light at a clear sky into light then there is no perspective (actually that's not true at all, hence togal) But for the analogy, if one looks into the clear blue sky then they see basically space and nothing, but with the dark one sees forever with perspective and stars. this doesn't equate with evil. > > In fact, those are the most evil who cannot accept the dark and live with it and nurture it but who in fact try to erase it through violence and conquest. The light has been the source of more death and destruction than the dark. Make no mistake. Because people don't know how to use or are afraid fof the dark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
> Cincinnati during the depression? ;-)> -PeterAs much as you ever were. ;-)good one dude, good one. clap clap, me too. I used to think of getting out, but then I noticed that the peeling paint made good folk art.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM & The TMO
Clearest way I know of to recognize past (and future) lives is to understand they ARE in the Now. :-)-Yeah Boi! In fact, supposedly by seeing the karmas as they are now one can see their genesis. Certainly the karma of the Catholic Church is older than any of us and still effects us. Karmas are long lived. Beware the dog says to the fool, when you step in. There are more subtle and long lived karmas than the church, so also one can see karmas that are lives old by recognizing them in the present. Like sex. That's a heavy karma. I mean who is fucking whom? Try to get out of that one. Luckily. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >(snip) > So there we have it, Akasha -- using the intellect to discover the > intellect. Discriminate not on who is right or who is wrong, but on > who is trying to figure out who is right and who is wrong. The ego > projects the whole movie, and all the actors in it are just > projections of ourself. :-) But if we did that, there would be no reason for this site to exist or for these discussions. We would all just 'know' and that would be it. Maybe then people would invent ignorance pills that would be consumed at private parties and people would just stand around and talk. Hey...wait a minute! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness into Akasha
Hmm, I like this dna thing Rory. Very Interesting,
yes, a new cult could form from it. It's very neat. Is there no 'S' in your
mahamantra? Or 'N' ?
- Original Message -
From:
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:39
AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries
of Consciousness into Akasha
Additional comment below:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
wrote:> She also lays out the 12
consciousness-forms in a straightforward > row, from the 1 (Sun) to 2
(Mercury) to 3 (Venus) and so on, all the > way out to the 12
("Lunar" or outermost Systemic body); these are > her "planets."
Meanwhile "as" Brahma in Purusha She wants to span > the vertical
"sushumna" or torus-core between Vishnu/Indra below Her > (Her feet
chakra) and Shiva/Rudra above Her (Her crown chakra). In > recognizing
Herself as the central 13, the sum of the rays, she > arranges the 12
into six chakra-pairs, each pair containing 13 > consciousness-points
(i.e. Herself) between them, and strings these > pairs as 6 rungs
down and up a spiralling double-helix "ladder" > around herSelf: 1
(Sun) through 6 (Jupiter) down, and 7 (Saturn) > through 12 ("Moon" or
outermost Systemic body) up --essentially, > proto-DNA. (Actually, this
double-spiral ladder consists of stacked > tetrahedra flanked by
octahedra, again simple Universal-space > geometry, but that's a lot
easier to show than to describe.) It is these Akashic strings or
rungs, I believe, that are the "cotton fiber(s)" enlivened (ideally) when
one does samyama on the relationship between the body and the Akasha, AND
the lightness of cotton fiber. I suspect they probably form not only the
rungs of one's prototypical DNA, but also are behind the string theory of
spacetime. I have definitely found the mantric value of the various
strings -- I E A (H) O U W - W U O (H) A E I -- especially when
understood and chanted as overtones -- to be supremely useful in
purifying the entire body into its primordial bliss and lightness, at
certain stages along the path.Other mantras (and words in general) are
pretty easily (re)cognizable as being place-markers along these rungs when
one applies neighboring diphthings to distinguish between left and right
chakras of a given rung (e.g. "E" for the throat, but "AI(M)" for
Mercury/Maya/Magician/Namer and "IA(Mh)" for Isis/South
Node/Enchantress/Musician; "O" for the navel, but "AU(Nh)" for the
Fowler/Brooder/Cosmic Egg and "UAN" for the Hunter/Warrior, and so on.
We can also apply similar linguistic rules (front of the mouth = top
of the body; back of the mouth = bottom of the body) for consonants:
labials (like B,P) in the head, labio-dentals (F, V) in the throat,
linguodentals (if that's the right term; I mean tongue between front
teeth and contacting bottom of teeth, as in TH) in the heart, and so
on. All of this stuff is given in much greater detail on the website
(artesmagicae.com) in the Archives, if interested.There's also a
lot more material there on the dynamics of the 12 Archetypes (Adityas) and
so on, if anyone is
interested.To subscribe, send
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[FairfieldLife] Minions
On the other hand, free of belief in the perfect positivity of the absolute and with the essential knowledge of the union of dark and light in the Dharmata, one is free to explore the union of dark and light and play of positive outsomes in the relative and what one sees is that the forces which tie one down are endless, as endless as kundalini playing out and what those forces are are legions of specificly addicting drugs, moral abandonments and other amusements which merely make time pass faster. The true atemporal reality is reached through boredom, faith, ascertainment of the now as presence, and surrender. And needs no salemanship or method, or recursive reckoning. Whatever trys to sell the now, and sell perfect awareness of the present is an elaboration and therefore a minionization of the Absolute. So therefore any step of action forward from the perspective of the Absolute would be a minionization, and if it sets up a surface of acquisition then it is a demon of lust and greed and ego. But the return of such thing to it's place on the shelf of the mind as a volumn to peruse is the best use of such a thing, not it's mere following just because it was so. All beliefs are just that, and when they maim and kill they have ceased to be of use to life. So therefore, no belief is the best bet in the long run. From a health of mind standpoint. And yet we minionize everything all the time and never agree. Because we have become one of the minions. Where do the minions cease? And what would its nature be? Ah just simply you and me. BTW, I write this shit because it makes me feel like I know something, which in action is patently not so. For anyone to follow my words as if they meant something would be silly. I write because I'm bored, because the stereo with Finger Eleven Greyest of Blue Skies is on, because I hope you guys will rock, because I am out, because I can't go smoke a joe, just because. Don't listen to my words though because they mean nothing. "Try walking in my shoes...You stumble in my footsteps, You'll keep the same appointments I've kept, If you try walking in my shoes" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
