[FairfieldLife] So indeed it wash!
Entry itihAsa
Meaning m. (%{iti-ha-Asa} , `" so indeed it was "') , talk , legend ,
tradition , history , traditional accounts of former events , heroic
history S3Br. MBh. Mn. &c.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good one, Unc. One thing to throw into the equation in pondering who M is > and what made him tick is the darshan factor. Couldn't have been my > imagination. The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. > Something profound going on there. You spoke of meditating in Rama's > presence. Same with me and M, whether or not I was meditating. If I were, > I'd sink like a stone. Well, this probably won't make me popular here, but *for whatever reason*, and I make no judgements on this...it's just a subjective experience...during all the time I spent around Maharishi I never felt anything I would class as darshan. And meditating with him, even a few feet away, was no different than meditating on my own. This could mean absolutely nothing...it could be simply my own makeup, and its resonance or non-resonance with different types of auras, it could be anything. But that's how it seemed to me. It's one reason that, for me, he was never anything but a seemingly nice guy who seemed (at the time) dedicated to teaching meditation to a lot of people. That, and some entertaining but not terribly brilliant (compared to others I had read) talks on the mechanics of consciousness was all there was for me personally in Maharishi. Go figure. Again, different strokes for different folks...not "better," not "worse," just different. Each of us has his own subjective experience, and gets to make of it what he wants. I think it's a good system... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel sorry for you, Bob. Your remarks are so venom-laced > and closed-minded... You really seem terribly afraid that > your tightly constructed fantasy of Maharishi's perfection > might come tumbling down. Where would Bob be then? > I've spoken with Earl not too long ago. He's not crazy - just > pissed off and feeling duped, and, frankly, I understand > his feelings. You fall perfectly into the cult thinking that > anyone who doubts "the" reality is nasty, evil, deluded, > doomed to lifetimes as slime-mold on Mars, etc. Can't > you, even for a moment, take a step back and see your > words for what they reveal of you? > > Your normal reaction to this will be more venom and > denial. Why is that, do you think? > * Look sport, you really are a pissant, I don't care how much money you have that seems to give a sense of entitlement to talk to people like you do here (not an unusual flaw in the rich -- ask people who have dealt with Donald Trump and other arrogant rich clowns). I've simply pointed out how insane the Kaplans' claims (that MMY has been siphoning off energy from people doing the Siddhis) are, and instead of dealing with that fact, that the Kaplans are strictly delusional, you need to attack me for questioning their sanity? Screw you. As far as my attitude towards MMY, he's a great saint, but when he dies in a few years, I will continue to meditate then exactly the same as I do now, so your insistence that I have a problem with thinking about MMY is just a product of your snot-filled brain. If the Kaplans had continued to practice TM, like you do, despite whatever disaffection they had with anybody in the movement, including MMY, and if they were not making the insane claims about vampirism that they do, then I would not say that they are disordered -- but they are, and it's a shame that they are unable to expand their awareness through a technique that they practiced happily for years. Bob have a nice day :) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more > > pathetic > > > > than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his > > health, > > > > and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, > > aided > > > > by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day > > as a fly > > > on the wall in Maharishi¹s apartment he would be utterly shocked. > > What he > > > observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he¹s been > > clinging to > > > all these years > > > > ** > > > > You're displaying your usual denseness here, Rick. Practice of TM has > > nothing to do with MMY. Your idiot claims and the Kaplans' insane > > claims are just a function of huge blocks of stress in the ole > > nervous system that do not permit further growth in this lifetime. > > After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and > > more receptive to genuine spiritual growth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/16/05 4:12 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > This is absolutely typical of the muddled thinking you find on this > > list. How you jump to the loopy idea that the Kaplans were going to > > donate all their money, I have no idea, but it's as far away from > > reality as anything you have to say. The Kaplans could have created a > > private foundation so that they would have had total control over > > their allocations to the movement, but they did not, so they can't > > complain if a few million were not spent in the way that they wanted. > > If you do not regard the practice of TM as a path to enlightenment, > > that is an opinion which any ignoramus can hold, but it is not my > > opinion -- the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > > and rich. > > > > Bob Brigante > > They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much better > results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're not? Not only that but what does it say about TM if after 60 years of combined TM practise it results in them becoming the wretched souls described above? Didn't their cumulative practise of TM amount to anything? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote my piece to make sense to me what was going on. > Self serving? Yes. 'Big picture' significance= zip. As one spiritual teacher once said, explicitly referencing Carlos Castaneda, "Writers write because they're trying to figure things out." Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? It's something to do in a fine cafe on a fine Spring day? :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Dr. Pete, you have often written that MMY is a complete mystery to you, and you seemingly want to keep it that way. For years my mother's behaviour was a complete mystery to me too. I must say that I have much easier time with her and also easier to forgive her and love her and appreciate her as she is, when I have started to understand why she behaves as she does. I also think I have a fairly good understanding of MMY's personality structure, and that understanding, even if it may be partial, I find to be helpful. This comment of yours is very sincere it think, but odd in the light that you claim yourself to be a doctor of psychology. Is it even correct to use the term you here, because you have claimed yourself to established on a level were there is no individuality left. Who gets irritated in you, when people analyse MMY's behaviour? Is it possible that there is some entity inside you, who is afraid of being seen, whose motives the more conscious part of you cannot accept? Is it possible that your experience of no individuality is just a cover story for energies, emotions and thoughts inside you, that you have started to perceive, but cannot yet own? Irmeli I've got a serious question for everybody and no implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we already believe. All we have is our own experiences regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of contradictory material. So, why and what is this need that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > not 'Pee-wee's Big Adventure'? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I think you watched too many Rocky movies (I-V) just before you > left. If those were my two only choices, I'd definitely have to go with Pee-wee... :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Life is suffering" - The Buddha > > Only for those who suffer. As a Buddhist, I completely agree. I've always had a real problem with the common interpretations of the first Noble Truth. It is possible to skip directly to the other three Noble Truths without dwelling on the first. Then again, some never get past it. Different strokes for different folks. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Believe nothing. > No matter where you read it, > Or who said it, > Even if I have said it, > Unless it agrees with your own reason > And your own common sense." > > ~ Buddha > 6th century bce Indian mystic and founder of Buddhism from The > Dhammapada > > SEEMS KINDA CRAZY > I'M SURE THE BUDDHA NEVER SAID THAT Actually, although no one can be sure whether *any* of the sayings attributed to the Buddha were ever really said by him, I'd be willing to bet that this one was. It encapsulates the philosophy quite well. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > and rich. > > They are probably already realizing it, as the emptyness of their > wealthy lives with golf courses, and the somewhat transitory nature of > Amma's Darshan, is becoming apparent. Even Hawaiin sunsets and mango > trees get old pretty quickly for the true seeker. Don't you suppose their combined 60 years of regular TM may have positively influenced their daily relative lives with an infusion of at least SOME degree of pure consciousness? So that they can enjoy things such as golf and Amma's Darshan? Or are the good influences of TM only for those that acquiesce to a guru and that guru's organisation? And once you leave the Movement you are damned forever? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, you mean like George Bush did, not once but many times? I couldn't > agree with you more. :) Did George Bush Sr. have that kind of money? I wasn't aware either that Sr. had that kind of money nor that he gave it to Jr. > > > Sal > > > On May 16, 2005, at 7:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > A snotty rich kid is one who takes $2,000,000, loses it all, and > > turns it into a tax write-off for Daddy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
I feel sorry for you, Bob. Your remarks are so venom-laced and closed-minded... You really seem terribly afraid that your tightly constructed fantasy of Maharishi's perfection might come tumbling down. Where would Bob be then? I've spoken with Earl not too long ago. He's not crazy - just pissed off and feeling duped, and, frankly, I understand his feelings. You fall perfectly into the cult thinking that anyone who doubts "the" reality is nasty, evil, deluded, doomed to lifetimes as slime-mold on Mars, etc. Can't you, even for a moment, take a step back and see your words for what they reveal of you? Your normal reaction to this will be more venom and denial. Why is that, do you think? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more > pathetic > > > than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his > health, > > > and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, > aided > > > by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. > > > > > > > I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day > as a fly > > on the wall in Maharishi¹s apartment he would be utterly shocked. > What he > > observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he¹s been > clinging to > > all these years > > ** > > You're displaying your usual denseness here, Rick. Practice of TM has > nothing to do with MMY. Your idiot claims and the Kaplans' insane > claims are just a function of huge blocks of stress in the ole > nervous system that do not permit further growth in this lifetime. > After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and > more receptive to genuine spiritual growth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since Fred's (and my) basis in the stock was zero (meaning he had > founder's shares), he could give away 100% of it with no > tax consequence at all. > > Bob is (and I'm sure he's grateful for the fact) not a tax specialist. > It's true that you can only write off a maximum of 50% of your > income as donations, but that doesn't mean you can't donate > far more. Fred could have made $1,000 and donated shares worth > $50,000,000. He could only have written off $500, but would > not have owed anything on the donated shares. > ** Yes, Cliff is right here (partially) -- I didn't really research this, which would have been easy: "By donating appreciated stock, you maximize your gift to the charity while minimizing your taxes. Instead of selling the stock and paying capital gains taxes out of your pocket and then sending the cash to the charity, you can donate the appreciated security to the charity, which can then sell the asset on its own without tax consequences. And you can deduct the full market value of the holding at the time of donation." http://www.camneelyfoundation.org/donation/index.php Fred would have had to pay taxes only if he had sold the stock first, then donated that money. But I don't see that Fred's having founder's stock as being relevant. Whether he paid zero or x dollars for the stock, what would avoid tax consequences would be the act of donating the stock to a charity direct, rather than selling it and then donating. If Fred had sold shares for twenty dollars that he got as a founder for zero dollars, then he would have had to pay capital gains, right? And as I recall, Cliff, you are not a tax specialist, either, are you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
Not that it would slow down your psycho ass for a second, but you might want to read the end of the letter, which is not from Maharishi, as you claim, but from King Tony.BobI used to work at Alex Patout's restaurant as a waiter. His manager Tony demanded to be payed a tremendous graft or he wouldn't seat your section of tables. I quit after a month but before I left I talked to Alex and I said to him, "Hey,how come you let your managers skim all the waiters tips?" He said, "I can't take responsibility for the actions of my managers, I hire them so they will manage." I said, "But it's your name on the sign of your restaurant," and I left. A year later they installed a new computer system and the computer guy discovered that the bartender/cashier and the same manager had embezzled more than four million dollars over five years. Ignorance is no excuse when your name is on the letterhead. You Bob, avoid letting Maharishi take the blame for the Movement shit, and yet you also blame your shitty attitude on the same Movement shit that occurs because of Maharishi. Your mind is a viscious cycle of negative association sponsored by delusions of grandeur. None of which has one whit of external validity. To the extreme that you constantly revile and insult the very person - Rick- who offers you probably the only haven in your entire life where people won't just outright make you eat shit for being a dope. You should at very least make amends with him before you leave this planet. Rick's much better than that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "demaris4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good one... According to OUR SPIRITUAL HERITAGE (the book), the > trouble with Buddhism is its "pernicious egalitarianism." Hmmm. > > d4 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The trouble with Buddhists is that they are too attached to > Buddhism > > to be Buddhists. One more problem with Buddhismit's an ism To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
Since Fred's (and my) basis in the stock was zero (meaning he had founder's shares), he could give away 100% of it with no tax consequence at all. Bob is (and I'm sure he's grateful for the fact) not a tax specialist. It's true that you can only write off a maximum of 50% of your income as donations, but that doesn't mean you can't donate far more. Fred could have made $1,000 and donated shares worth $50,000,000. He could only have written off $500, but would not have owed anything on the donated shares. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/15/05 8:03 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on 5/15/05 5:52 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> Several parts of Earl's letter seem like reaction formations--but > > other > >>> parts ring true. One of the most disturbing was the report of Mahesh > >>> lamenting his inability to milk the Kaplan's entire fortune. It > > really > >>> paints a sinister picture of a greed-crazed avaricious man that has > >>> been heard again and again and again. Only this time you hear a > > clear > >>> source on this. I found it chilling in it's portrait of M. > >> > >> Fred Gratzon told a story of how he offered Maharishi all of his > > money, or > >> all of his stock in Telegroup, and Maharishi was angry at him. Then he > >> offered him half of it, and Maharishi was pleased. If Cliff is > > reading this > >> perhaps he can clarify or elaborate. > > > > * > > > > Under U.S. tax laws, you can only give 50% of your income and deduct it > > from your taxable income, so it's highly unlikely that Gratzon could > > possibly have made a offer which would have resulted in his owing large > > sums to the U.S. Treasury. > > Are you suggesting that for the reason you state, Maharishi knew that 50% > would be the optimum amount for him to give? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
I know that Fred offered M half his Telegroup stock, when that was worth something in the $50-$75M range. I don't recall ever hearing about an offer of all his stock. The transfer never took place because Telegroup finance people were very afraid that if investors learned that a "cult" was a substantial owner of Telegroup they would quickly sell their shares. Fred gained great status in the Movement from his non-donation, including quite a bit of financial gain. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/15/05 5:52 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Several parts of Earl's letter seem like reaction formations--but other > > parts ring true. One of the most disturbing was the report of Mahesh > > lamenting his inability to milk the Kaplan's entire fortune. It really > > paints a sinister picture of a greed-crazed avaricious man that has > > been heard again and again and again. Only this time you hear a clear > > source on this. I found it chilling in it's portrait of M. > > Fred Gratzon told a story of how he offered Maharishi all of his money, or > all of his stock in Telegroup, and Maharishi was angry at him. Then he > offered him half of it, and Maharishi was pleased. If Cliff is reading this > perhaps he can clarify or elaborate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure he could be the Itihasa of evil incarnate and a good study for what not to do for evey person on Earth. But he wasn't studied, history keeps repeating. He's not the worst mass murderer, Stalin was, and Mao, Pol Pot and wow, so many other competitors now. So surely his so called evolved whatever, (what, what was evolved about him again I forget, ) just puts some dismal spin on some deluded notion which isn't worth a fart near a fan. Hitler just plain old sucked shit. Only the worlds biggest fucking idiot would stand up for anything he represented. And I guess that shows Maharishi for what he is. If you accept my definition of Hitler. Of course if you liked Hitler then you should love Maharishi. Please make sure you read his whacked letter to dictators, ah here it is for the newcommers to this group. I am not making this up.: ** Not that it would slow down your psycho ass for a second, but you might want to read the end of the letter, which is not from Maharishi, as you claim, but from King Tony. Bob > Maharishi University of Management, > > Holland Celebrates the > > Dawn of a New World Order of Peace > > -the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy > > > > Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State > > > > An Historic Day of > > Great Celebration for the World > > > > Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast. > > > > > > > > These four Heads-of-State are four great forerunners of a forthcoming New World Order of Peace. > > > > The present strength of their leadership is the first visible effect of improvement in the administration of nations. Their special qualities of ideal leadership demonstrate a rise in the world of Global Administration through Natural Law, and foreshadow a time soon to come when every nation will be sovereign, self-sufficient and invincible, yet will be united with all other nations in a world family enjoying perpetual peace. > > > > During the past forty years, nine American Presidents have tried to overthrow or kill Fidel Castro, and have failed-he has demonstrated invincibility in the face of a giant nation of vast destructive military power. > > > > President Robert Mugabe has stood firm against the hypocritical threats of Zimbabwe's former colonial master, and reminded Britain that Zimbabwe is not their colony anymore. He has demonstrated freedom, and stood against the savage depredations of the colonial past. > > > > President Wahid, the first President honored as a saint by his people, has brought into the world of politics the qualities of purity, tolerance, harmony, and devotion to God. He is the First Divine Ruler of Indonesia. > > > > President Guei has thrown off the faulty and corrupt democratic system imposed on so many nations by their former imperial overlords, and which has led only to chaos and plundering of the nation by an elite, while the poor remain pressed under the weight of their misery. > > > > The world is awakening to the reality that the old order is passing, and a New World Order of Peace is dawning. The new order will be characterized by these very qualities of the four Presidents- invincibility, freedom, divine rule, and the transformation of corrupt and failing democracies into governments that unify and nourish on the basis of the support of the evolutionary power of Natural Law. > > > > > > > > A Sovereign Government Accepts A New Principle for the Eradication of Poverty without Foreign Debt > > > > There is a yet another cause for celebration today-the sovereign government of Zimbabwe has accepted a new principle to eradicate poverty without the need for ruinous foreign loans. > > > > A frank evaluation of the performance of the IMF and World Bank indicates that they have not eradicated poverty at all. But they have overshadowed the sovereignty of nations, placed upon them heavy burdens of debt, and created chaos and social disorder. > > > > Maharishi University of Management has proposed a new approach to the eradication of poverty- the coupon principle. > > > > In every poor nation there are vast tracts of unused fertile land, which have never been polluted by chemicals. This land could be developed to grow organic food for export to wealthy countries. > > > > To fund this development the government doesn't need to borrow from abroad. It just issues an alternative currency-a coupon-and loans it to the project for the start-up co
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Tuesday - No self
Title: Template May 17, 2005 - No self You are saved by realizing there is no one to be saved. Vernon Howard Your Power of Natural Knowing You were never lost; nor could you ever be. Your pain and fear come from your belief that you are lost. Carson's Commentary Was this message forwarded to you? The Daily Inspiration e-mail is free. To Subscribe - Click Here Hello Bert and Christina, I look forward to receiving these quotes in my email every day, and I wanted to share with you my favorite quote. Its from The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran. Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face But you are life and you are the veil Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror But you are eternity and you are the mirror. I believe this describes why we cannot touch the mirrored pool and behold our true reflection at the same time. Thank you, Christopher Kreider Upper Montclair, New Jersey, United States Please feel free to forward The Daily Inspiration to a friend - and... don't forget to check out our new web site http://www.your-inner-peace.com Bert & Christina Carson FuturePoint Communication 6868 Moores Mill Road Huntsville, Alabama 35811 USA 1-256-682-6511 e-mail: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from The Daily Inspiration Mailing List - click here To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
Sure he could be the Itihasa of evil incarnate and a good study for what not to do for evey person on Earth. But he wasn't studied, history keeps repeating. He's not the worst mass murderer, Stalin was, and Mao, Pol Pot and wow, so many other competitors now. So surely his so called evolved whatever, (what, what was evolved about him again I forget, ) just puts some dismal spin on some deluded notion which isn't worth a fart near a fan. Hitler just plain old sucked shit. Only the worlds biggest fucking idiot would stand up for anything he represented. And I guess that shows Maharishi for what he is. If you accept my definition of Hitler. Of course if you liked Hitler then you should love Maharishi. Please make sure you read his whacked letter to dictators, ah here it is for the newcommers to this group. I am not making this up.: Maharishi University of Management, Holland Celebrates the Dawn of a New World Order of Peace the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal State An Historic Day of Great Celebration for the World Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast. These four Heads-of-State are four great forerunners of a forthcoming New World Order of Peace. The present strength of their leadership is the first visible effect of improvement in the administration of nations. Their special qualities of ideal leadership demonstrate a rise in the world of Global Administration through Natural Law, and foreshadow a time soon to come when every nation will be sovereign, self-sufficient and invincible, yet will be united with all other nations in a world family enjoying perpetual peace. During the past forty years, nine American Presidents have tried to overthrow or kill Fidel Castro, and have failedhe has demonstrated invincibility in the face of a giant nation of vast destructive military power. President Robert Mugabe has stood firm against the hypocritical threats of Zimbabwes former colonial master, and reminded Britain that Zimbabwe is not their colony anymore. He has demonstrated freedom, and stood against the savage depredations of the colonial past. President Wahid, the first President honored as a saint by his people, has brought into the world of politics the qualities of purity, tolerance, harmony, and devotion to God. He is the First Divine Ruler of Indonesia. President Guei has thrown off the faulty and corrupt democratic system imposed on so many nations by their former imperial overlords, and which has led only to chaos and plundering of the nation by an elite, while the poor remain pressed under the weight of their misery. The world is awakening to the reality that the old order is passing, and a New World Order of Peace is dawning. The new order will be characterized by these very qualities of the four Presidentsinvincibility, freedom, divine rule, and the transformation of corrupt and failing democracies into governments that unify and nourish on the basis of the support of the evolutionary power of Natural Law. A Sovereign Government Accepts A New Principle for the Eradication of Poverty without Foreign Debt There is a yet another cause for celebration todaythe sovereign government of Zimbabwe has accepted a new principle to eradicate poverty without the need for ruinous foreign loans. A frank evaluation of the performance of the IMF and World Bank indicates that they have not eradicated poverty at all. But they have overshadowed the sovereignty of nations, placed upon them heavy burdens of debt, and created chaos and social disorder. Maharishi University of Management has proposed a new approach to the eradication of poverty the coupon principle. In every poor nation there are vast tracts of unused fertile land, which have never been polluted by chemicals. This land could be developed to grow organic food for export to wealthy countries. To fund this development the government doesnt need to borrow from abroad. It just issues an alternative currencya couponand loans it to the project for the start-up costs, and to immediately improve the farmers housing and living conditions. The coupons validity is restricted to the locale of the project, and it lasts for only a three-year periodand thus inflation is avoided. When the first crop is exported and dollars are earned, the government coupon loan is repaid by the project in dollars. So todays government issued coupon becomes tomorrows dollar in the National Treasury. The profitable organ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
Well Spoken! I raise my glass also, R.G. demaris4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems to me to be as good an explantion of the history as any other.and expressed well, and explains a lot -- even if your basic notion isnot even correct, it makes sense of the good, the bad, and the beautiful.> > > > > > What if the whole history of the TM movement were an > > > outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object > > > of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" > > > in the form of appreciation of the work that he did > > > on his behalf? > > > > > > I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev > > > and his personality. People make assumptions about his > > > enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have > > > personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, > > > as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than > > > emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, > > > having been brought up in a tradition in which one does > > > not often praise those around them openly because that > > > might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he > > > never praised those who worked with him and for him? > > > > > > And what if one of those who worked for him were a young > > > bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev > > > (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, > > > even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love > > > here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his > > > butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- > > > ever needed to be done around the ashram? > > > > > > What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless > > > service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even > > > opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- > > > sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the > > > young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in > > > life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, > > > "Mahesh, you're the best?" > > > > > > And what if that never happened? What if the object of > > > this love just up and died one day, without ever having > > > said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught > > > that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow > > > his beloved teacher to the grave? > > > > > > Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru > > > Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to > > > serve him, because service is really the only thing that > > > really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still > > > hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're > > > the best." > > > > > > Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of > > > Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story > > > in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? > > > Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." > > > > > > So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- > > > niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, > > > finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- > > > tion forms. > > > > > > And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) > > > shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. > > > There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain > > > of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from > > > Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that > > > this set of teachings is "the best." > > > > > > As more and more people join the organization, the dogma > > > extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within > > > it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions > > > about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; > > > after time they are actually enforced with shunning within > > > the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the > > > organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful > > > should *think* of those who have been removed from the > > > organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their > > > own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and > > > they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be > > > badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. > > > > > > The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man > > > whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was > > > "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in > > > the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being > > > the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually > > > becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what > > > being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. > > > > > > These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here > > > in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint > > > Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're > > > getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- > > > through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. > > > > > > But I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Hmm. Let's see, MMY is siphoning off energy from people practicing the Siddhis? Would anybody not out of their freakin' mind think that this is true. NO!And, once again, MMY does not matter one way or the other in the practice of TM/Siddhis.Hmm, let's see, MMY isn't important nor are we because a group of pundits is generating Sat Yuga for all mankind, and this has ever been Guru Devs goal for which he came out of the Himalayas when the time was right and Maharishi could then go out and evangelicize to everyone the truth of _fill the space. Ow, I stubbed my toe, fuck, I'm going to cut off my whole leg. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
--Depending on the talents we develope over life-times, and how much awareness is developed, it is true, that one could be evolved, but not enlightened, still operating from the egoic self; then one's talent's could be used for good or evil. And Hitler provides a good example of what not to do, with one's power, or talents,as it ends up becoming one's own demise; "as we sow, so shall we reap."- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/16/05 10:28 PM, qntmpkt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > -Good points!true; and by the same token, the more adept at being > > a criminal (or fill in any other endeavor)...the more highly > > evolved the person is at being a criminal. All depends on what we > > mean by "evolved"; since Stalin was highly evolved at being a despot. > > Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly > evolved. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money Yeah I know him. The fool used to try to bilk me when I was a student and patently poor. He was such a freaking fanatic that he would rail at me like I was some dogshit who knew nothing when I was like the most on the program person ever. It was just really sick and out of touch. I'll never forget his face the last time I went to MIU in 93 or so during the 7000 for 7000 or whatever dipshit platitude they epitapthed to it. Where I was so poor that I was putting together furniture in the phone sales office at 4th just to buy rasayanas, and my wife had paid my plane travel and course fees. I had not another single cent to my name anywhere on earth. But he still just couldn't get that through his head. He railed on and on about shit. It drove me away from TMO never to want to return. He's not the only reason but it really helped. I thought, I used to see all these busstop preachers preaching the Hal Linden doom and gloom of the Apocalypse in LA and here it is now at MIU. That was the beginning of the end for me. I lay the final image in my mind of MIU at his feet. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money on 5/16/05 11:23 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more pathetic than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his health, and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, aided by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise.Man, you're really ignorant sometimes. You know nothing of the Kaplins, nothing of Maharishi, nothing of yourself. It's all just castles you built but you'll never realize the foundations are merely your own mental constructs. You can't possibly believe what you said above? To any other person I'm betting it sounds merely spiteful and envious. I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day as a fly on the wall in Maharishis apartment he would be utterly shocked. What he observed would be at complete odds with the concepts hes been clinging to all these years That's fine if that's who you are. You really remind me of Einar. Hopefully getting married will chill that fanatical streak out of him. Do you know Einar or just from his wedding announcement here? To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
You lump all Buddhists together and then separate some schools out. Like Nicherin and Pure land. Which is it? Are Buddhists nihilists or not? If you really want a clue start by reading the Madhyamikavatara by Chandrakirti. The life and stories of Buddha are truely beautiful. Buddha is said to have taught 84,000 teachings. He started teaching when he was 34 and taught until he died at 80 under the same type of tree that he was born under. The Sal tree. A totally common Indian forest tree. He was born in the woods and died in the woods. His life is not some common story but is the story of the sadhu in retreat figuring out what the limits of the human mind are. He is the Aranyaka. The inward movement of human mental capability. Go figure. One of the main features of Buddhism of any school is the emphasis on meditation by all people regardless of caste, creed, or denomination, race, sex, or lifestyle. This is a difference between other yogic schools which have great committments usually, and or demand life changes before starting, and which are for the most part sexist. A secondary and truely useful feature of Buddhism in general is that since all Buddhist masters developed through meditation, in the Buddhist cannon and commentaries, the Kangyur and Tangyur, are a profound wealth of real meditation experiences and outcomes which are plain in wording and easy to follow. This is helpful as a guide. Something not truely available anywhere else in any other religion even Hinduism. Even in the Buddhist tantras are so much profound knowledge that as soon as discovered one wonders, what took me so long too find this precious knowledge. Even today, 2,500 years later enough people of realization in the world thank Buddha for the directions, that Buddhism is totally alive still. And thanks to the Stupa building and other monument building of Buddha lovers world wide, each one jam packed full of Buddhist artifacts, Buddhism will never die out on this planet. A time capsule of Buddhism will exist somewhere forever or as close to that as is valuable to know. Furthermore, Buddhist is not doom and gloom and does not have dire prophecies about world wide destruction so it enables one to relax and not strike some assumed and fanatical stance. Nor does it preach. Moreover, there is not one goal of Buddhists per se. There are nine main rides in Buddhism. To all who read this I recommend the study of the 'highest first.' That is called Dzogchen, the Great Perfection, and I recommend the specific books, Heart Drops of Dharmakaya, and Wonders of the Natural Mind. Of course that is because I regard most of you highly as real yogis, or meditation masters, or otherwise I would recommend studying the outer Vajrayana teachings first like the Ngondro and preliminaries. For myself, when I hear the Buddha's teachings it really takes me back a couple thousand years and it's very soothing. On Saka Dawa, hearing Buddha's life story again I broke down crying yet again. The story always gets me. It's very powerful to hear it from a Lama who has tried to actualize the teachings in every thought word and deed. The same careful teachings of love for all, the 4 Noble, and compassion are the same today as they were yesterday. It's a message that doesn't change. It didn't change in the first hundred years after Buddha, nor in the first thousand years, nor in the second thousand years, nor will it change in the third thousand, and the message is still clear and can be explained to the intellect's satisfaction. I hope you all find intellectual satisfaction about the path to liberation in this very life. May you all be healthy wealthy and wise. - Original Message - From: hyperbolicgeometry To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists -More jewels of wisdom (below). In addition, most Buddhists are nihilists and have been duped into the false idea that after getting Enlightened, dropping the body (and all subtle bodies) is a "higher" state of evolution than maintaining a body. Even on logical grounds this is baloney since the Absolute is Absolute regardless of whether a "body is present or not. Besides, why would one not maintain a body for an infinity of time in order to assist others in attaining the goal of Enlightenment. This is the Boddhisattva vow (valid for Buddhas who wish to maintain a body in some realm in order to help others). I don't see how others can be helped without bodies to do the work. However, the illogic of the nihilistic schools of Buddhism is not shared by the Pure Land School or the followers of Nichiren. In the Pure Land school, one attains Enlightenment then continues to live indefinitely with a subtle body in the Pure Land of the Amitabha Buddha. n FairfieldLife@yahoogrou
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/16/05 11:27 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much > > better > >> results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're > > not? > > > > *** > > > > If they were, they would not be making insane claims (and please > > don't tell me that saying that MMY is siphoning off energy from > > Siddhas is not insane). They flipped out, lotsa TMexers in that > > group. I wish them well in their next lifetimes. > > I agree that perhaps 25% of the stuff in that letter was nutty speculation. > But the other 75% was pretty sensible. If you were to talk to the Kaplans, > they wouldn't strike you as flipped out. Disillusioned, entertaining some > kooky theories they heard from some swami to try make sense of their > experience in the Movement, but not flipped out. Remember, these are guys > who spend more time with Maharishi in the last decade than almost anyone. > They may be in a better position than you to evaluate some things. * Hmm. Let's see, MMY is siphoning off energy from people practicing the Siddhis? Would anybody not out of their freakin' mind think that this is true. NO! And, once again, MMY does not matter one way or the other in the practice of TM/Siddhis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more pathetic > > than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his health, > > and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, aided > > by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. > > > I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day as a fly > on the wall in Maharishi¹s apartment he would be utterly shocked. What he > observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he¹s been clinging to > all these years ** You're displaying your usual denseness here, Rick. Practice of TM has nothing to do with MMY. Your idiot claims and the Kaplans' insane claims are just a function of huge blocks of stress in the ole nervous system that do not permit further growth in this lifetime. After a few turns in the doggie kingdom, you n them'll be back and more receptive to genuine spiritual growth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/16/05 11:27 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much > better >> results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're > not? > > *** > > If they were, they would not be making insane claims (and please > don't tell me that saying that MMY is siphoning off energy from > Siddhas is not insane). They flipped out, lotsa TMexers in that > group. I wish them well in their next lifetimes. I agree that perhaps 25% of the stuff in that letter was nutty speculation. But the other 75% was pretty sensible. If you were to talk to the Kaplans, they wouldn't strike you as flipped out. Disillusioned, entertaining some kooky theories they heard from some swami to try make sense of their experience in the Movement, but not flipped out. Remember, these are guys who spend more time with Maharishi in the last decade than almost anyone. They may be in a better position than you to evaluate some things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money on 5/16/05 11:23 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more pathetic than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his health, and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, aided by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. Man, you're really ignorant sometimes. You know nothing of the Kaplins, nothing of Maharishi, nothing of yourself. It's all just castles you built but you'll never realize the foundations are merely your own mental constructs. You can't possibly believe what you said above? To any other person I'm betting it sounds merely spiteful and envious. I was thinking today that if Bob could spend a week or even a day as a fly on the wall in Maharishi’s apartment he would be utterly shocked. What he observed would be at complete odds with the concepts he’s been clinging to all these years That's fine if that's who you are. You really remind me of Einar. Hopefully getting married will chill that fanatical streak out of him. Do you know Einar or just from his wedding announcement here? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/16/05 4:12 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > This is absolutely typical of the muddled thinking you find on this > > list. How you jump to the loopy idea that the Kaplans were going to > > donate all their money, I have no idea, but it's as far away from > > reality as anything you have to say. The Kaplans could have created a > > private foundation so that they would have had total control over > > their allocations to the movement, but they did not, so they can't > > complain if a few million were not spent in the way that they wanted. > > If you do not regard the practice of TM as a path to enlightenment, > > that is an opinion which any ignoramus can hold, but it is not my > > opinion -- the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > > and rich. > > > > Bob Brigante > > They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much better > results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're not? *** If they were, they would not be making insane claims (and please don't tell me that saying that MMY is siphoning off energy from Siddhas is not insane). They flipped out, lotsa TMexers in that group. I wish them well in their next lifetimes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more pathetic than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his health, and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, aided by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise.Man, you're really ignorant sometimes. You know nothing of the Kaplins, nothing of Maharishi, nothing of yourself. It's all just castles you built but you'll never realize the foundations are merely your own mental constructs. You can't possibly believe what you said above? To any other person I'm betting it sounds merely spiteful and envious. That's fine if that's who you are. You really remind me of Einar. Hopefully getting married will chill that fanatical streak out of him. As for you. We already know there's no hope. Nonetheless, that's no reason for you to sound so outright hopelessly pathetic. Man, get a life. Get out of that fucking LA smog Man, it's killing you. Don't turn this back around at me. this is you. You wrote it you meant it. I bet that even as chronicallly wishful as most are here this above thing you wrote comes off as really mean spirited. Really makes me ill. Have you no thanks for Kaplins, Zimmerman's, King, and the other great supporters of the Movement? They are the only people out of all the Movement who freely gave loads of cash so you and other assholes could have some chance at their hope and dream of enlightenment. Your fucking attitude is just like Maharishis. No thanks, no proper respect for the travails of others. Fuck you you asshole, you make me wanna puke. You're the dipshit that will die old, unloved, and unenlightened because you are hopelessly repressed, blind, and sardonic, with no faith. That bullshit faith you have in Maharishi is not out of love or true faith but just because you're too afraid to live life with heart to leave your mental armor off to just feel it. You don't have real emotions. You're a scab amongst fresh skin. Sorry to pick on you. It's just a pleasure of mine like wiggling loose teeth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
--Or, "they" are really Enlightened but Enlightenment isn't what it's cracked up to be. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/16/05 4:56 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > > -Peter > > Maybe trying to wrap your mind around irreconcilable paradoxes is > enlightening. Maybe it's worthwhile trying to understand what enlightenment > really is. Learning to accept that it doesn't necessarily fulfill idealist > expectations. Or that it is more elusive than we realize, and many so-called > enlightened were really short of the mark and self-deluded as to their > attainment. And therein lay their downfall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
on 5/16/05 10:28 PM, qntmpkt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Good points!true; and by the same token, the more adept at being > a criminal (or fill in any other endeavor)...the more highly > evolved the person is at being a criminal. All depends on what we > mean by "evolved"; since Stalin was highly evolved at being a despot. Maharishi said, on a radio show in Scandinavia, that Hitler was highly evolved. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/16/05 8:37 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > << the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > and rich. > > They are probably already realizing it, as the emptyness of their > wealthy lives with golf courses, and the somewhat transitory nature of > Amma's Darshan, is becoming apparent. Even Hawaiin sunsets and mango > trees get old pretty quickly for the true seeker. They've only seen Amma a few times. She is not their guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
on 5/16/05 4:56 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > -Peter Maybe trying to wrap your mind around irreconcilable paradoxes is enlightening. Maybe it's worthwhile trying to understand what enlightenment really is. Learning to accept that it doesn't necessarily fulfill idealist expectations. Or that it is more elusive than we realize, and many so-called enlightened were really short of the mark and self-deluded as to their attainment. And therein lay their downfall. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
on 5/16/05 4:12 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This is absolutely typical of the muddled thinking you find on this > list. How you jump to the loopy idea that the Kaplans were going to > donate all their money, I have no idea, but it's as far away from > reality as anything you have to say. The Kaplans could have created a > private foundation so that they would have had total control over > their allocations to the movement, but they did not, so they can't > complain if a few million were not spent in the way that they wanted. > If you do not regard the practice of TM as a path to enlightenment, > that is an opinion which any ignoramus can hold, but it is not my > opinion -- the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > and rich. > > Bob Brigante They claim to be having much better experiences and getting much better results with the sadhana they're now doing. Who's to say they're not? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
Good one, Unc. One thing to throw into the equation in pondering who M is and what made him tick is the darshan factor. Couldn't have been my imagination. The man radiated pure consciousness like a blast furnace. Something profound going on there. You spoke of meditating in Rama's presence. Same with me and M, whether or not I was meditating. If I were, I'd sink like a stone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
Seems to me to be as good an explantion of the history as any other. and expressed well, and explains a lot -- even if your basic notion is not even correct, it makes sense of the good, the bad, and the beautiful. > > > > > > What if the whole history of the TM movement were an > > > outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object > > > of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" > > > in the form of appreciation of the work that he did > > > on his behalf? > > > > > > I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev > > > and his personality. People make assumptions about his > > > enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have > > > personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, > > > as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than > > > emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, > > > having been brought up in a tradition in which one does > > > not often praise those around them openly because that > > > might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he > > > never praised those who worked with him and for him? > > > > > > And what if one of those who worked for him were a young > > > bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev > > > (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, > > > even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love > > > here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his > > > butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- > > > ever needed to be done around the ashram? > > > > > > What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless > > > service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even > > > opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- > > > sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the > > > young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in > > > life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, > > > "Mahesh, you're the best?" > > > > > > And what if that never happened? What if the object of > > > this love just up and died one day, without ever having > > > said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught > > > that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow > > > his beloved teacher to the grave? > > > > > > Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru > > > Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to > > > serve him, because service is really the only thing that > > > really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still > > > hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're > > > the best." > > > > > > Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of > > > Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story > > > in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? > > > Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." > > > > > > So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- > > > niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, > > > finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- > > > tion forms. > > > > > > And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) > > > shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. > > > There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain > > > of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from > > > Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that > > > this set of teachings is "the best." > > > > > > As more and more people join the organization, the dogma > > > extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within > > > it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions > > > about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; > > > after time they are actually enforced with shunning within > > > the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the > > > organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful > > > should *think* of those who have been removed from the > > > organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their > > > own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and > > > they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be > > > badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. > > > > > > The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man > > > whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was > > > "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in > > > the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being > > > the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually > > > becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what > > > being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. > > > > > > These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here > > > in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint > > > Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're > > > getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- > > > through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
-More jewels of wisdom (below). In addition, most Buddhists are nihilists and have been duped into the false idea that after getting Enlightened, dropping the body (and all subtle bodies) is a "higher" state of evolution than maintaining a body. Even on logical grounds this is baloney since the Absolute is Absolute regardless of whether a "body is present or not. Besides, why would one not maintain a body for an infinity of time in order to assist others in attaining the goal of Enlightenment. This is the Boddhisattva vow (valid for Buddhas who wish to maintain a body in some realm in order to help others). I don't see how others can be helped without bodies to do the work. However, the illogic of the nihilistic schools of Buddhism is not shared by the Pure Land School or the followers of Nichiren. In the Pure Land school, one attains Enlightenment then continues to live indefinitely with a subtle body in the Pure Land of the Amitabha Buddha. n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "demaris4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good one... According to OUR SPIRITUAL HERITAGE (the book), the > trouble with Buddhism is its "pernicious egalitarianism." Hmmm. > > d4 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The trouble with Buddhists is that they are too attached to > Buddhism > > to be Buddhists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dave Matthews Band on Letterman tonight
Performing something from their new CD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > << the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, > throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday > recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after > they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, > and rich. > > They are probably already realizing it, as the emptyness of their > wealthy lives with golf courses, and the somewhat transitory nature of > Amma's Darshan, is becoming apparent. Even Hawaiin sunsets and mango > trees get old pretty quickly for the true seeker. ** It'll get worse as they get older. There isn't anything more pathetic than a rich old man struggling to hold on to his money, his health, and all those other things that he is about to lose completely, aided by the Anna Nicole types waiting for his demise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1
on 5/16/05 4:09 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Believe nothing. > No matter where you read it, > Or who said it, > Even if I have said it, > Unless it agrees with your own reason > And your own common sense." > > ~ Buddha > 6th century bce Indian mystic and founder of Buddhism from The > Dhammapada Any of you Buddhists know if this is a valid quote? Might add it to the home page. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The trouble with Buddhists
Good one... According to OUR SPIRITUAL HERITAGE (the book), the trouble with Buddhism is its "pernicious egalitarianism." Hmmm. d4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The trouble with Buddhists is that they are too attached to Buddhism > to be Buddhists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wealth and reincarnation
-Good points!true; and by the same token, the more adept at being a criminal (or fill in any other endeavor)...the more highly evolved the person is at being a criminal. All depends on what we mean by "evolved"; since Stalin was highly evolved at being a despot. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone sent me this. I think he meant to post it to the group. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was sent to me on the side: > > > > Unc said, when discussing how movements degenerate > > into money meaning status or some such: The first is > > that how much money one has or is able to > > make is somehow tied to their level of evolution or to > > the "support of nature" for their endeavors. > > > > Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with me > > chatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi had > > told him something like the more money you have, the > > more evolved you are. > > > > So Maharishi feeds these people this kind of thing all > > the time. > > > > I just sat there dazedI mean how do you answer > > something like that. He sure was in his own puffed up world... > > > It's very common in traditions that believe in reincarnation: you > find yourself in the state of life you are because of your overall > evolution. You wouldn't have been able to obtain such a state WITHOUT > said evolution. What you chose to do with your current state is > another matter entirely, and one aspect of this belief is that the > more evolved you are (the more money and stature you have using > Maharishi's criteria), the more responsibility, resources and > influences you have and the more dire your consequences (in this life > or the next, or both) should you make bad choices. > > In other words, not only is the attitude of Maharishi's that you > report *mainstream*, but its also quite logical. > > And it is perfectly in-keeping with what Jesus said about the rich > having a hard time entering heaven --unlike the poor, who have an > incentive to strive as much as possible to better themselves, given > the opportunity, rich people, who often rest on their laurels from > past lives, have no momentum to carry them forward into something > better. > > It's a spiritual example of "regression to the mean": the more > evolved you are, the easier it is to not bother trying to grow, and > the more likely you are to slip a good ways, if you stop growing > because you have further to fall. > > Maharishi said something on this from a different direction when he > made his comment about angels finding it hard to become enlightened > because where they live is so beautiful that it is difficult to get > them to close their eyes... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
Oh, you mean like George Bush did, not once but many times? I couldn't agree with you more. :) Sal On May 16, 2005, at 7:49 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: A snotty rich kid is one who takes $2,000,000, loses it all, and turns it into a tax write-off for Daddy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Wealth and reincarnation
Maharishi said something on this from a different direction when hemade his comment about angels finding it hard to become enlightenedbecause where they live is so beautiful that it is difficult to getthem to close their eyes...-Everybody has their angle. Bevan said that MMY said that angels have to reincarnate as humans because they have no eyelids and so cannot close their eyes to transcend. The irony is that there are other senses to transcend on. All these stories, all these stories. Like this, like this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Wealth and reincarnation
Someone sent me this. I think he meant to post it to the group. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was sent to me on the side: > > Unc said, when discussing how movements degenerate > into money meaning status or some such: The first is > that how much money one has or is able to > make is somehow tied to their level of evolution or to > the "support of nature" for their endeavors. > > Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with me > chatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi had > told him something like the more money you have, the > more evolved you are. > > So Maharishi feeds these people this kind of thing all > the time. > > I just sat there dazedI mean how do you answer > something like that. He sure was in his own puffed up world... It's very common in traditions that believe in reincarnation: you find yourself in the state of life you are because of your overall evolution. You wouldn't have been able to obtain such a state WITHOUT said evolution. What you chose to do with your current state is another matter entirely, and one aspect of this belief is that the more evolved you are (the more money and stature you have using Maharishi's criteria), the more responsibility, resources and influences you have and the more dire your consequences (in this life or the next, or both) should you make bad choices. In other words, not only is the attitude of Maharishi's that you report *mainstream*, but its also quite logical. And it is perfectly in-keeping with what Jesus said about the rich having a hard time entering heaven --unlike the poor, who have an incentive to strive as much as possible to better themselves, given the opportunity, rich people, who often rest on their laurels from past lives, have no momentum to carry them forward into something better. It's a spiritual example of "regression to the mean": the more evolved you are, the easier it is to not bother trying to grow, and the more likely you are to slip a good ways, if you stop growing because you have further to fall. Maharishi said something on this from a different direction when he made his comment about angels finding it hard to become enlightened because where they live is so beautiful that it is difficult to get them to close their eyes... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
<< the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, and rich. They are probably already realizing it, as the emptyness of their wealthy lives with golf courses, and the somewhat transitory nature of Amma's Darshan, is becoming apparent. Even Hawaiin sunsets and mango trees get old pretty quickly for the true seeker. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Letter from Canada...Recert course II postponed
Nice letter -- lots of information! The clearest explanation I've seen yet of the plans. "Announcement For All Governors of the Age of Enlightenment The Starting Date for the Next Governor Recertification Course Has Been Rescheduled to June 22 to Allow More People to Attend Please send your e-mail to xxx to apply for the course The starting date for the next Governor Recertification Course has been changed to the full moon of June Wednesday, June 22, 2005. Maharishi would again like to give his full attention to the course, and it is being rescheduled so that the maximum number of participants will be able to attend and enjoy this precious opportunity to gain the latest knowledge and interact with Maharishi via live videoconference. As all the Governors who attended the last course will confirm, this is an incredible opportunity. To attend the next course it will be necessary to apply before June 7th. Maharishi would like to know how many will be attending 15 days before the course begins. There have been questions regarding the Governor Recertification Course and the activities of the newly recertified Governors. The information below is provided to answer those questions. What are the requirements for attending the next Governor Recertification course? This course is for Governors who will take responsibility for the Movements activities in a particular city. This means establishing a Maharishi Peace Palace or Maharishi Enlightenment Center and organizing to offer a full ranges of programs and services including education, health, global reconstruction, Vedic agriculture, and Vedic administration. The course is available to those who will be full-time in this important activity. Each applicant for the course must specify the city they will be taking. The course is no longer available to those who plan to return to positions with other Movement organizations including our universities and schools. What cities are available? To attend the course, you should indicate your five Peace Palace city preferences. Do I need special skills in advertising, finance, construction, and other fields to be the Director for a City? No special skills are needed. What you do need is the knowledge you will gain on the Governor Recertification Course. And you need to be committed to a city and to carry out the activities there. Everything for the Maharishi Enlightenment Centers and Peace Palaces is being organized centrally all the advertising, exhibitions, materials, financing, policies, etc. Even all the accounting is being done at a national level. What are the activities of the Director? The first is to do a long program and you will gain that instruction on the course. That is the basis for everything else you will be doing. The other activities are to lease space where programs and services will be offered, make arrangements with a secretarial service to answer the telephone, enter into an agreement with a major newspaper to carry advertisements twice a week, and to hire assistants to help you in each of the 5 program areas and licensed massage therapists to deliver the day spa programs. Then you will oversee these activities and provide the instruction in the Transcendental Meditation¨ program. What type of space will I rent and who will pay for the space? You will rent space where programs can be delivered immediately a Maharishi Enlightenment Center before the Peace Palace is built. This space may be in a mall, shopping center, office building, or hotel. It will include 10-12 rooms and be about 3,000 square feet. The costs of the secretarial service, leased space, and advertisements are paid for by the Global Country of World Peace. What responsibilities will I have for building the Peace Palace? The first thing is to find the land and get that approved. The land will be owned by Global Country of World Peace. Advertising will be prepared nationally for fundraising. You need to place the ads in the same way you place advertising for your programs. You may be asked to meet with a local bank about financing. Your Raja will give you information you need to do this. In the future, memberships, loans, or bonds may be offered. All the planning, materials, and legalities of this will be worked out at a national level. On the construction issue, all the Peace Palaces are standard designs and components will be ordered centrally and shipped to each Peace Palace location. You may be asked to submit the plans to the local government agency that issues building permits or to do other activities. But you will not be responsible for designing the Peace Palace or planning the construction. What is the compensation for a Director? The two directors for each city (one for ladies and one for men) who are graduates of the Governor Recertification Course and work full-time will receive each a salary of $4,000. This will
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Bob, nobodies stake in the movement is or was as high as the > > > Kaplains. Therefore you have no right to judge them. They gave > > more > > > than anyone, and all they wanted was one single promise to come > > true. > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > When you go to Disneyland and get on a E-ticket ride (maybe E > > tickets > > > are passe, who knows), you stay on the ride til the end for > > complete > > > satisfaction. The Ks left -- too bad for them, but they were > fools. > > > > > > The Ks could have been 200percenters, rich and enlightened, but > > like > > > stereotypical snotty rich kids, > > > they threw a tantrum, made a lot of > > > faces, and left with their baseball glove, instead of sticking > > around > > > and helping the movement to grow. > > > > > > > > > "snotty rich kids"? > > > > Hmmm. I would have thought that that description would have > applied > > to kids to inherited money. > > > > Didn't these guys (or at least Earl) make all their money from > > scratch? > > > > ** > > Nope. Just when Earl was about to part ways with the books r fun type > of company he was working for, his dad gave him $200,000 seed money > to start his own company -- (prior to his stint for the books r fun > type company, Earl's appliance biz and tofu in Fairfield never made > much money I don't know what your point is here. The fact that Earl or his brother had tofu and appliance business fail is hardly a reflection upon one's ability to be successful in business. I think the statistic is that over 90% of all new businesses fail within the first 6 months of their existence...then another 7% fail within another year. That's why I've never liked the criticism I've heard on the Howard Stern Show of George W. Bush being a failure because he couldn't make it in the oil business in Texas. Well, my understanding is that Bush was involved in some sort of wildcatting type of operation which has a failure rate of about 99%...so failure is not always a reflection on one's ability. > -- I may be mixing up the brothers here, but their > businesses prior to Earl's books r fun were not significant > moneymakers). More to the point of what I had said originally, Earl > and his twin brother developed their creativity through TM and an MIU > education, so they were dynamic enough to not be trust fund types, > but unfortunately not dynamic enough to survive Bevanity down there > in Boone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Bob, nobodies stake in the movement is or was as high as the > > > Kaplains. Therefore you have no right to judge them. They gave > > more > > > than anyone, and all they wanted was one single promise to come > > true. > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > When you go to Disneyland and get on a E-ticket ride (maybe E > > tickets > > > are passe, who knows), you stay on the ride til the end for > > complete > > > satisfaction. The Ks left -- too bad for them, but they were > fools. > > > > > > The Ks could have been 200percenters, rich and enlightened, but > > like > > > stereotypical snotty rich kids, > > > they threw a tantrum, made a lot of > > > faces, and left with their baseball glove, instead of sticking > > around > > > and helping the movement to grow. > > > > > > > > > "snotty rich kids"? > > > > Hmmm. I would have thought that that description would have > applied > > to kids to inherited money. > > > > Didn't these guys (or at least Earl) make all their money from > > scratch? > > > > ** > > Nope. Just when Earl was about to part ways with the books r fun type > of company he was working for, his dad gave him $200,000 seed money > to start his own company -- (prior to his stint for the books r fun > type company, Earl's appliance biz and tofu in Fairfield never made > much money -- I may be mixing up the brothers here, but their > businesses prior to Earl's books r fun were not significant > moneymakers). More to the point of what I had said originally, Earl > and his twin brother developed their creativity through TM and an MIU > education, so they were dynamic enough to not be trust fund types, > but unfortunately not dynamic enough to survive Bevanity down there > in Boone. $200,000 is hardly "rich kid money"...it's just about enough to buy one a sub-average to average single family dwelling outside any major city in America. $2,000,000 given to your child I would say is the minimum that could be described as rich kid money. "Rich kid money" is especially not a description for someone who was able to take that $200,000 and turn it into $300 million...that's about a 150,000 percent return on investment. A snotty rich kid is one who takes $2,000,000, loses it all, and turns it into a tax write-off for Daddy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I hear ya Mrfishey, I hear ya! --- mrfishey2001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ".. So, why and what is this need > > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle > with? > > -Peter > > Good questions Peter, made especially sincere by > including yourself in > the mix. > > HereÕs one version. I am of the generation becoming > aware of eastern > thought, embodied so richly by MMY, in the mid to > late 60Õs. I was > young, curious and born with an innate feeling for > something larger > than the world I was given. I read Christopher > Isherwood like a > starved castaway and spent long periods of time > effortlessly alone. I > searched alone, outside the violent world that made > up my life. I > looked for a way to understand. When finally > beginning the practice of > TM I was ripe for transformation. > > In the years that followed I moved on a course of > action probably not > unlike many here. It was in these years, and under > these unusual > circumstances, that the root growth of a deeply > expansive spiritual > life took hold. As my life filled with exotic > thoughts and locations, > the unbridled sense of purpose we all had for > spiritually rebuilding > our world began. This seamless wedding of purpose > and identity feel > upon one life, mine, in such a way as to become the > content of the > very soul inside. > > Now, decades later, with the roots still intact, > that which grew as a > result feels a kind of spiritual sorrow. For those > born without the > economic or genetic endowment necessary to pursue an > advanced degree, > or cultivate alternative relationships that might > make understanding > this sorrow easier, we spin tales. We read about the > lives and > thoughts of others, hoping perhaps to catch a > glimpse of how others > have made a similar peace. For some, we think, we > work and we live in > the echo of a wondrous time. > > The richness of those early years IÕm afraid will > remain at my side > for a lifetime. Nothing from that time do I regret, > certainly nothing > I would do differently. In fact I would do it all > over again. The day > of initiation lives in my heart as though it had > just happened. > Perhaps it is the same for you... as you were there > with me. > > I hope this is of some > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ...but according to the poster, Gratzon didn't offer MMY > > > > his "income", he offered him his "money" or "all of his stock > in > > > > Telegroup". Both his "money" (and, yes, there may be a bit > that > > > > represented "income" in there) and his Telegroup stock were > > assets > > > > which he could donate to charity as he saw fit. > > > > > > > > I'm not an accountant but I don't think there is a restriction > > on > > > > how much of one's assets one can give a recognized charity > > (giving > > > > to individuals is an entirely different matter...that can > > trigger a > > > > gift tax if the annual gift is more than $11,000). Yes, there > > is a > > > > limit on how much of that gift can be deducted against adjusted > > > > gross income each year (I think you've got 6 years to deduct > it, > > > > each year a maximum of 20% of AGI), but I don't think there's a > > > > limit to have much of your assets you can donate. > > > > > > *** > > > > > > The stock was Gratzon's from day one, as he founded Telegroup, so > > the > > > gains in the stock price (from zip, which is what he paid) to > > > whatever value the stock had when he parted with it, would have > > been > > > subject to capital gains tax, and the 50% limit on deductability > > > would have applied. > > > > > > ...but you said it was a 50% limit on income. Capital gain is > > not "income". > * > > Yeah, it is: > > "One very important point to understand about capital gains income is > that, to determine your normal tax bracket for capital gains, your > capital gain income is added to your regular income and you use the > total... not just the portion related to your earned income. Then > you're able to use Schedule D to compute your tax using a preferred > tax rate on your long-term capital gain." > > http://www.fool.com/taxes/2001/taxes010105.htm Read what you quote above: it refers to income from capital gains as "capital gains income" which has a different rate than regular taxable income. When one refers just to the word "income" it must necessarily refer to regular taxable income. That's why you need to make a distinction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
".. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > -Peter Good questions Peter, made especially sincere by including yourself in the mix. HereÕs one version. I am of the generation becoming aware of eastern thought, embodied so richly by MMY, in the mid to late 60Õs. I was young, curious and born with an innate feeling for something larger than the world I was given. I read Christopher Isherwood like a starved castaway and spent long periods of time effortlessly alone. I searched alone, outside the violent world that made up my life. I looked for a way to understand. When finally beginning the practice of TM I was ripe for transformation. In the years that followed I moved on a course of action probably not unlike many here. It was in these years, and under these unusual circumstances, that the root growth of a deeply expansive spiritual life took hold. As my life filled with exotic thoughts and locations, the unbridled sense of purpose we all had for spiritually rebuilding our world began. This seamless wedding of purpose and identity feel upon one life, mine, in such a way as to become the content of the very soul inside. Now, decades later, with the roots still intact, that which grew as a result feels a kind of spiritual sorrow. For those born without the economic or genetic endowment necessary to pursue an advanced degree, or cultivate alternative relationships that might make understanding this sorrow easier, we spin tales. We read about the lives and thoughts of others, hoping perhaps to catch a glimpse of how others have made a similar peace. For some, we think, we work and we live in the echo of a wondrous time. The richness of those early years IÕm afraid will remain at my side for a lifetime. Nothing from that time do I regret, certainly nothing I would do differently. In fact I would do it all over again. The day of initiation lives in my heart as though it had just happened. Perhaps it is the same for you... as you were there with me. I hope this is of some To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I think stories are made up of a sequence of cause and effect events. People love to have a sense of cause and effect, because without that, they get nervous - nervous that maybe they cannot control things by their own actions and good sense. People need one foot on the intial cause, and the other foot straddles a gap of empty space and lands on the effect. If either foot is not touching ground, they fall into a chasm of... nothing, chaos, no "I" controlling this life and the horrors it can inflict. I work with children aqnd families in a school- especially with kids with learning disabilities and behavior problems. When the going gets tough, it is amazing how quickly teachers fall back on the old "if only his parents would..., he would not be this way" (he would do his homework be polite, sit quietly, wahtever) They get over it, but it seems instinctive in times of conflict and worry to locate very specifically that cause. It is a huge conflict to realize that your Master has a human side. A relative nervous system on autopilot living out its own inevitable sequenceof events, just as "you" are. That is the story I am telling myself lately. For me, it feels good to sometimes get to a feeling of forgiveness of Maharishi's humanity. That's the part of the story that I like. But the early stuff - MMY as a young man, etc. just tires me out. As you say, we will never know it. Can't find the cause and effects there - so I use the "story" of the relative nervous system etc. to acccount for the disappointments while I hold on to all the incredible spiritual benefits. And if everyuthing really does happen as it should, well M's behavior and my responses to it - doubts and all - areall just inevitable events. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > -Peter > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I had a similar (but not exactly the same) set of > > insights > > not long ago, Jim, while sitting at one of my > > favorite cafes > > here in Paris. I'll try to find it and post it > > here. It's > > fascinating that such things must be "in the air" > > right now, > > and are being picked up on by people who cared (and > > still > > care, despite everything) for Maharishi. > > > > Unc > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > After thinking over the last day about where > > Maharishi went wrong, > > I > > > have reached the following conclusions: > > > > > > He starts out as a naive Indian student and > > seeker. By naive I mean > > he > > > knows very little about the West, or the rest of > > the world outside > > > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of > > a geek as a > > > householder, physics student and all... > > > > > > He is fortunate through his seeking to find > > Brahmananda Saraswati, > > and > > > commences his study with him. He also decides he > > will be a celibate > > > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, > > he derives a > > clear > > > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak > > about it clearly > > too. > > > > > > I think what was going on here was a couple of > > things: Maharishi > > comes > > > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the > > Veda are > > relatively > > > commonplace. When I think about his early > > exposition of his > > teaching, > > > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras > > and their proper > > use, > > > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > > > > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something > > which could be > > derived > > > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if > > one is already > > > operating within a supportive cultural context for > > such knowledge. > > > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and > > possessing a > > > charismatic personality, and who emerges? > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > > > > > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge > > of the mantras, > > > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous > > success. The > > success > > > is due to him having a systematic and practical > > technique to back > > up > > > his speaking. However, he remains a naive mo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
On May 16, 2005, at 5:56 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > The stories can never, ever resolve; > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? The answers simple: we were never told the story in the first place. One thing I expect from a teacher is for him or her to share their story--not necessarily the details of their personal life, but the important parts of their own spiritual life. Where they learned teachings, what they learned, what they'll share and what they won't; who they learned it from and what that meant to them -- their own experiences of the View, the Path and the Goal. I really think these are normal things to expect. It's only in the spiritual supermarket or where there's something to hide (or both) that we are deprived. When these things are lacking, one will always be left wondering why these things are missing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Files on Projet René Guénon
New Files on Projet René Guénon 01. Frithjof Schuon, Gnosis engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/frithjof-schuon-gnosis.html 02. Three excerpts from the writings of Nicholas Berdyaev - engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/three-excerpts-from-writings-of.html 03. René Guénon, Extrait de lettre à Julius Evola fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-extrait-de-lettre-julius.html 04. Vasile Lovinescu, Scrisoare, (fragment) rom. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/vasile-lovinescu-scrisoare.html 05. Godeleine Lafargue Dickès, René Guenon et Jacques Maritain : deux manières dêtre antimoderne, (texte intégral) fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/godeleine-lafargue-dicks-ren-guenon-et.html 06. René Guénon, Carta a Malcom de Chazal, (excerpto) esp. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-carta-malcom-de-chazal.html 07. Vasile Lovinescu, Despre negarea lui Dumnezeu, (fragment) rom. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/vasile-lovinescu-despre-negarea-lui.html 08. René Guénon, Introduction générale à létude des doctrines hindoues, (note de lectura) fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-introduction-gnrale-ltude.html 09. Andrew Webster, Edmund Burke Legacy, (full text) engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/andrew-webster-edmund-burke-legacy.html 10. Julius Evola, On Jihad and Holy War, (excerpt) engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/julius-evola-on-jihad-and-holy-war.html 11. Bibliography Osman Bakar engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/bibliography-osman-bakar.html 12. René Guénon, Extraits de lettres à F. G. Galvao fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-extraits-de-lettres-f-g.html 13. René Guénon, Notes on the End of a World, (excerpt) engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-notes-on-end-of-world.html 14. Martin Lings, Quest-ce que le soufisme?, (note de lectura) fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/martin-lings-quest-ce-que-le-soufisme.html 15. Bill White, Radical Traditionalism, (full text) engl. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/bill-white-radical-traditionalism-full.html 16. René Guénon, Extractos de cartas a Guido de Giorgio esp. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/ren-gunon-extractos-de-cartas-guido-de.html 17. Camara Laye, Lenfant noir, (note de lectura) - fr. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/camara-laye-lenfant-noir-note-de.html 18. Horia-Radu Patapievici, Omul recent, (note de lectura) rom. http://elkorg-projects.blogspot.com/2005/05/horia-radu-patapievici-omul-recent.html All the best, Radu Iliescu 'Jewels are stones, but cannot be found everywhere; the sandal tree is a tree, but does not grow in every forest; as there are many elephants, but only one king elephant, so there are human beings all over the world, but the real human being is rarely to be found.' (a sanskrit poet) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I wrote my piece to make sense to me what was going on. Self serving? Yes. 'Big picture' significance= zip. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got a serious question for everybody and no > implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if > there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone > can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we > need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can > neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The > arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in > the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we > already believe. All we have is our own experiences > regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; > they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of > contradictory material. So, why and what is this need > that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? > -Peter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I've got a serious question for everybody and no implicit criticism is meant and I'm also curious if there is a legitimate/valid, whatever reason, someone can come up with that I'm not quite getting. Why do we need any story whatsoever regarding MMY? We can neither confirm nor disconfirm any story. The arguments go on and on. Most of our stories whether in the pro or con camp are simply narratives of what we already believe. All we have is our own experiences regarding MMY. The stories can never, ever resolve; they never "make sense" unless you deny huge chunks of contradictory material. So, why and what is this need that some, all, a few, including moi, struggle with? -Peter --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a similar (but not exactly the same) set of > insights > not long ago, Jim, while sitting at one of my > favorite cafes > here in Paris. I'll try to find it and post it > here. It's > fascinating that such things must be "in the air" > right now, > and are being picked up on by people who cared (and > still > care, despite everything) for Maharishi. > > Unc > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > After thinking over the last day about where > Maharishi went wrong, > I > > have reached the following conclusions: > > > > He starts out as a naive Indian student and > seeker. By naive I mean > he > > knows very little about the West, or the rest of > the world outside > > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of > a geek as a > > householder, physics student and all... > > > > He is fortunate through his seeking to find > Brahmananda Saraswati, > and > > commences his study with him. He also decides he > will be a celibate > > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, > he derives a > clear > > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak > about it clearly > too. > > > > I think what was going on here was a couple of > things: Maharishi > comes > > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the > Veda are > relatively > > commonplace. When I think about his early > exposition of his > teaching, > > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras > and their proper > use, > > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something > which could be > derived > > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if > one is already > > operating within a supportive cultural context for > such knowledge. > > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and > possessing a > > charismatic personality, and who emerges? > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > > > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge > of the mantras, > > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous > success. The > success > > is due to him having a systematic and practical > technique to back > up > > his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk > from India. He also > has > > the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his > experience up til > then, > > and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it > seems a > reasonable > > ambition. > > > > As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his > wildest dreams I > am > > sure, he begins to see that those around him are > granting him > > unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate > the rudimentary > > knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of > TM mantras, with > > himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he > is less than > perfect > > will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his > followers, and > > consequently his ambition to enlighten the world. > > > > Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi > finds himself in a > > position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled > desires, and > little > > knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive > combo for sure. > > > > He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for > sex and hobnobbing > > with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires > in the world. At > the > > same time, he is aware from the feedback he has > received that he is > > seen as a realized Master (and he is probably > pretty high on > himself > > at this point too...). > > > > This sets up the key quandry for Maharishi: > > If he acts on his desires and is open about it, he > will disappoint > the > > vision of himself that his followers, and he > himself, has of > himself, > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the celibate monk. If he > doesn't act on his > > desires, this 'guru' business just isn't all that > much fun, is it? > > > > So he makes his fatal mistake: He will act on his > desires for sex > and > > hobnobbing with the rich, only he won't admit it > to his public, and > > possibly not to himself as time goes on... > > > > And it works for awhile, however unbeknownst to > Maharishi, Guru Dev > > has planted a time bomb of sorts associated with > this type of > > deception. > > > > Unlike a businessman or politici
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rumi
, thank you . - Original Message - From: benjaminccollins To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rumi A baby pigeon stands on the edge of a nest all day.Then he hears a whistle, Come to me.How could he not fly toward that?Wings tear through the body's robe whena letter arrives that says,"You've flapped and fluttered against limits long enough.You've been a bird without wingsin a house without doors or windows.Compassion builds a door.Restlessness cuts a key.Ask. Step off into air like a baby bird.Strut proudly into sunlight,not looking back.Take sips of this pure wine being poured.Don't mind that you've been given a dirty cup." -- Version by Coleman Barks "These Branching Moments," Copper Beech Press, 1988To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 2
How old are you? - Original Message - From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 2 The Buddha:""He whose inflowing thoughts are dried up, who is unattached to food, whose dwelling place is an empty and imageless release -- the way of such a person is hard to follow, like the path of birds through the sky. 93 When a man's senses have come to peace, like a horses well broken by the trainer, when he is rid of conceit and without inflowing thoughts -- even devas envy such a well set man. 94 Like the earth he is not disturbed, like a great pillar he is firmly set and reliable, like a lake he is free from defilement. There are no more rebirths for such a well set man. 95 Freed by full realisation and at peace, the mind of such a man is at peace, and his speech and action peaceful. 96 He has no need for faith who knows the uncreated, who has cut off rebirth, who has destroyed any opportunity for good or evil, and cast away all desire. He is indeed the ultimate man. 97 Whether in the village or the forest, whether on high ground or low, wherever the enlightened live, that is a delightful spot. 98 Delightful for them are the forests where men find no delight. The desire-free find delight there, for they seek no sensual joys.""THIS SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THAT RIG VEDA VERSE:'RICHO ACHARE'.DOES ANYONE REMEMBER IT?DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ACTUAL SANKRIT OR PALI THAT THE BUDDHA WOULD HAVE AQCTUALLY SPOKEN THIS? WHAT IS THE VERSE IN HIS LANGUAGE?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
not 'Pee-wee's Big Adventure'? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you watched too many Rocky movies (I-V) just before you left. > > lol > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > What if the whole history of the TM movement were an > > outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object > > of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" > > in the form of appreciation of the work that he did > > on his behalf? > > > > I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev > > and his personality. People make assumptions about his > > enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have > > personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, > > as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than > > emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, > > having been brought up in a tradition in which one does > > not often praise those around them openly because that > > might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he > > never praised those who worked with him and for him? > > > > And what if one of those who worked for him were a young > > bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev > > (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, > > even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love > > here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his > > butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- > > ever needed to be done around the ashram? > > > > What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless > > service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even > > opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- > > sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the > > young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in > > life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, > > "Mahesh, you're the best?" > > > > And what if that never happened? What if the object of > > this love just up and died one day, without ever having > > said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught > > that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow > > his beloved teacher to the grave? > > > > Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru > > Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to > > serve him, because service is really the only thing that > > really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still > > hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're > > the best." > > > > Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of > > Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story > > in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? > > Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." > > > > So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- > > niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, > > finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- > > tion forms. > > > > And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) > > shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. > > There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain > > of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from > > Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that > > this set of teachings is "the best." > > > > As more and more people join the organization, the dogma > > extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within > > it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions > > about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; > > after time they are actually enforced with shunning within > > the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the > > organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful > > should *think* of those who have been removed from the > > organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their > > own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and > > they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be > > badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. > > > > The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man > > whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was > > "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in > > the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being > > the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually > > becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what > > being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. > > > > These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here > > in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint > > Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're > > getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- > > through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. > > > > But I like the story because it makes me smile, and think > > even more positively about Maharishi than ever. > > > > What
[FairfieldLife] Rumi
A baby pigeon stands on the edge of a nest all day. Then he hears a whistle, Come to me. How could he not fly toward that? Wings tear through the body's robe when a letter arrives that says, "You've flapped and fluttered against limits long enough. You've been a bird without wings in a house without doors or windows. Compassion builds a door. Restlessness cuts a key. Ask. Step off into air like a baby bird. Strut proudly into sunlight, not looking back. Take sips of this pure wine being poured. Don't mind that you've been given a dirty cup." -- Version by Coleman Barks "These Branching Moments," Copper Beech Press, 1988 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Buddhist Calander
On my Buddhist Calander it says today is "Question Buddhism Day". Is that right? I thought it was supposed to be on May 17th? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 2
The Buddha: ""He whose inflowing thoughts are dried up, who is unattached to food, whose dwelling place is an empty and imageless release -- the way of such a person is hard to follow, like the path of birds through the sky. 93 When a man's senses have come to peace, like a horses well broken by the trainer, when he is rid of conceit and without inflowing thoughts -- even devas envy such a well set man. 94 Like the earth he is not disturbed, like a great pillar he is firmly set and reliable, like a lake he is free from defilement. There are no more rebirths for such a well set man. 95 Freed by full realisation and at peace, the mind of such a man is at peace, and his speech and action peaceful. 96 He has no need for faith who knows the uncreated, who has cut off rebirth, who has destroyed any opportunity for good or evil, and cast away all desire. He is indeed the ultimate man. 97 Whether in the village or the forest, whether on high ground or low, wherever the enlightened live, that is a delightful spot. 98 Delightful for them are the forests where men find no delight. The desire-free find delight there, for they seek no sensual joys."" THIS SOUNDS A LOT LIKE THAT RIG VEDA VERSE:'RICHO ACHARE'. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER IT? DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ACTUAL SANKRIT OR PALI THAT THE BUDDHA WOULD HAVE AQCTUALLY SPOKEN THIS? WHAT IS THE VERSE IN HIS LANGUAGE? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Under U.S. tax laws, you can only give 50% of your > > income and deduct it > > from your taxable income, so it's highly unlikely > > that Gratzon could > > possibly have made a offer which would have resulted > > in his owing large > > sums to the U.S. Treasury. > > Plus, charitable deducations from personal income can > reduce only federal taxes, and not FICA taxes, which > can often be higher than federal taxes. In my state, > state taxes cannot be reduced, either. > But FICA taxes are limited to the first $90K of earned income, so would not apply to the hypothetical Gratzon situation anyway: http://tinyurl.com/7cmjc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Under U.S. tax laws, you can only give 50% of your > > income and deduct it > > from your taxable income, so it's highly unlikely > > that Gratzon could > > possibly have made a offer which would have resulted > > in his owing large > > sums to the U.S. Treasury. > > Plus, charitable deducations from personal income can > reduce only federal taxes, and not FICA taxes, which > can often be higher than federal taxes. In my state, > state taxes cannot be reduced, either. > But Social Security taxes are limited to the first ~$90k of earned income, so would not affect the hypothetical Gratzon situation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha Quote # 2
"Life is suffering" - The Buddha Only for those who suffer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kaplan Money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Bob, nobodies stake in the movement is or was as high as the > > > Kaplains. Therefore you have no right to judge them. They gave > > more > > > than anyone, and all they wanted was one single promise to come > > true. > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > When you go to Disneyland and get on a E-ticket ride (maybe E > > tickets > > > are passe, who knows), you stay on the ride til the end for > > complete > > > satisfaction. The Ks left -- too bad for them, but they were > fools. > > > > > > The Ks could have been 200percenters, rich and enlightened, but > > like > > > stereotypical snotty rich kids, they threw a tantrum, made a lot > > of > > > faces, and left with their baseball glove, instead of sticking > > around and helping the movement to grow. > > > > > Bob, it sounds like you are saying that is the Kaplans had stayed > > longer then they definitely would have become enlightened (whatever > > that means). What about all the people who faithfully followed MMY > > until their deaths, did they achieve complete satisfaction, did > they > > all achieve a state of enlightenment? What are you talking about > > here? > > > > Rick Carlstrom > > Rick, > > Bob isn't talking about anything that can be validated by any past events but is just > making some pretty silly assumptions. By the way, he forgot to put in the > word 'Jewish' in his list of epithets. > I did not know that you were a Jew-hater. I despise that unfortunate trait, and I am unable to include that pointless ethnic identification in my characterization of the Kaplans. > If we consider the past as an indication to answer your question, then we would have > to conclude that most likely, what would have happened to the Kaplans had they donated > all their money, is that their money would have either had been lost, misappropriated > or allocated to questionable TM programs. No one can predict if they would have become > enlightened or simply would have left the movement much worse off than now. > > Mark This is absolutely typical of the muddled thinking you find on this list. How you jump to the loopy idea that the Kaplans were going to donate all their money, I have no idea, but it's as far away from reality as anything you have to say. The Kaplans could have created a private foundation so that they would have had total control over their allocations to the movement, but they did not, so they can't complain if a few million were not spent in the way that they wanted. If you do not regard the practice of TM as a path to enlightenment, that is an opinion which any ignoramus can hold, but it is not my opinion -- the Ks quit TM in a pique over their maltreatment, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and they will someday recognize how utterly foolish that is, even if that someday is after they croak in the most pathetic way possible: old, sick, ignorant, and rich. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
I think you watched too many Rocky movies (I-V) just before you left. lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What if the whole history of the TM movement were an > outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object > of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" > in the form of appreciation of the work that he did > on his behalf? > > I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev > and his personality. People make assumptions about his > enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have > personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, > as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than > emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, > having been brought up in a tradition in which one does > not often praise those around them openly because that > might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he > never praised those who worked with him and for him? > > And what if one of those who worked for him were a young > bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev > (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, > even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love > here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his > butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- > ever needed to be done around the ashram? > > What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless > service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even > opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- > sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the > young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in > life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, > "Mahesh, you're the best?" > > And what if that never happened? What if the object of > this love just up and died one day, without ever having > said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught > that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow > his beloved teacher to the grave? > > Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru > Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to > serve him, because service is really the only thing that > really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still > hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're > the best." > > Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of > Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story > in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? > Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." > > So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- > niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, > finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- > tion forms. > > And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) > shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. > There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain > of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from > Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that > this set of teachings is "the best." > > As more and more people join the organization, the dogma > extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within > it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions > about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; > after time they are actually enforced with shunning within > the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the > organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful > should *think* of those who have been removed from the > organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their > own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and > they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be > badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. > > The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man > whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was > "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in > the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being > the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually > becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what > being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. > > These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here > in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint > Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're > getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- > through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. > > But I like the story because it makes me smile, and think > even more positively about Maharishi than ever. > > What if all of this were true? What if, to some extent, the > whole history of the TM movement were really based on a young > man's attachment to his spiritual teacher, and his desire to > hear four simple words: "Mahesh, you're the best?" What if > that really *were* what it was all about? > > Well in my bo
[FairfieldLife] Buddha Quote # 1
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[FairfieldLife] When is a Buddhist not a Buddhist
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[FairfieldLife] The trouble with Buddhists
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
Beautifully said. And beautifully sad. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What if the whole history of the TM movement were an > outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object > of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" > in the form of appreciation of the work that he did > on his behalf? > > I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev > and his personality. People make assumptions about his > enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have > personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, > as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than > emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, > having been brought up in a tradition in which one does > not often praise those around them openly because that > might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he > never praised those who worked with him and for him? > > And what if one of those who worked for him were a young > bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev > (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, > even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love > here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his > butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- > ever needed to be done around the ashram? > > What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless > service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even > opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- > sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the > young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in > life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, > "Mahesh, you're the best?" > > And what if that never happened? What if the object of > this love just up and died one day, without ever having > said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught > that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow > his beloved teacher to the grave? > > Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru > Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to > serve him, because service is really the only thing that > really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still > hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're > the best." > > Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of > Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story > in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? > Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." > > So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- > niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, > finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- > tion forms. > > And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) > shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. > There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain > of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from > Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that > this set of teachings is "the best." > > As more and more people join the organization, the dogma > extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within > it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions > about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; > after time they are actually enforced with shunning within > the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the > organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful > should *think* of those who have been removed from the > organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their > own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and > they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be > badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. > > The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man > whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was > "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in > the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being > the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually > becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what > being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. > > These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here > in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint > Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're > getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- > through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. > > But I like the story because it makes me smile, and think > even more positively about Maharishi than ever. > > What if all of this were true? What if, to some extent, the > whole history of the TM movement were really based on a young > man's attachment to his spiritual teacher, and his desire to > hear four simple words: "Mahesh, you're the best?" What if > that really *were* what it was all about? > > Well in my book that would be just fine. Lo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
Just to clarify, I was being kind in the last line of this story. I don't *really* believe that Maharishi is, in *any* sense, "the best." Nor do I believe that the TM technique is "the best." I don't believe that *any* tradition or technique or teacher is "the best." But I do suspect that it'll be a tough call when Maha- rishi steps on those karmic scales. On the one hand, IMO, the man has made some serious errors, errors that have had less than positive effects upon his followers. On the other, many if not most of those followers are still on a spiritual path. Just look at this forum. It may not be the path that Maharishi envisioned, and often did his best to badger them into following blindly, but they're still on the pathway to enlightenment. In my less-than-humble opinion, that counts. While I may, from time to time, rail against some of his latest follies, I still feel gratitude to him for helping to set me on the pathway to enlightenment. And as a result I forgive him much. It won't keep me from pointing out some of the follies of his old age from time to time, but I hope it will help me to keep compassion in mind as I do so. If my little cafe story has any truth to it, I think Guru Dev would have been *correct* not to praise the young Mahesh. Some people are just not ready to be the focus of that kind of attention. It has a very predictable effect on the ego, and I think that a number of us have seen what that effect is. But at the same time, compassion also has its place. How many of us could have done better, or even as well? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
Neat. I'd love to see Paris some day and just revel in the beauty of the architecture... Yes, please post if you find it. As far as Maharishi goes, I can't judge the guy (there but for the grace of God...) and his mantra has worked superbly over the years. It is too bad things worked out/didn't work out as they did. On the other hand that seems pretty typical for the times we live in. Enjoy your coffee and croissant... Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a similar (but not exactly the same) set of insights > not long ago, Jim, while sitting at one of my favorite cafes > here in Paris. I'll try to find it and post it here. It's > fascinating that such things must be "in the air" right now, > and are being picked up on by people who cared (and still > care, despite everything) for Maharishi. > > Unc > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > After thinking over the last day about where Maharishi went wrong, > I > > have reached the following conclusions: > > > > He starts out as a naive Indian student and seeker. By naive I mean > he > > knows very little about the West, or the rest of the world outside > > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of a geek as a > > householder, physics student and all... > > > > He is fortunate through his seeking to find Brahmananda Saraswati, > and > > commences his study with him. He also decides he will be a celibate > > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, he derives a > clear > > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak about it clearly > too. > > > > I think what was going on here was a couple of things: Maharishi > comes > > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the Veda are > relatively > > commonplace. When I think about his early exposition of his > teaching, > > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras and their proper > use, > > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something which could be > derived > > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if one is already > > operating within a supportive cultural context for such knowledge. > > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and possessing a > > charismatic personality, and who emerges? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > > > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge of the mantras, > > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous success. The > success > > is due to him having a systematic and practical technique to back > up > > his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk from India. He also > has > > the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his experience up til > then, > > and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it seems a > reasonable > > ambition. > > > > As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his wildest dreams I > am > > sure, he begins to see that those around him are granting him > > unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate the rudimentary > > knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of TM mantras, with > > himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he is less than > perfect > > will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his followers, and > > consequently his ambition to enlighten the world. > > > > Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi finds himself in a > > position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled desires, and > little > > knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive combo for sure. > > > > He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for sex and hobnobbing > > with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires in the world. At > the > > same time, he is aware from the feedback he has received that he is > > seen as a realized Master (and he is probably pretty high on > himself > > at this point too...). > > > > This sets up the key quandry for Maharishi: > > If he acts on his desires and is open about it, he will disappoint > the > > vision of himself that his followers, and he himself, has of > himself, > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the celibate monk. If he doesn't act on his > > desires, this 'guru' business just isn't all that much fun, is it? > > > > So he makes his fatal mistake: He will act on his desires for sex > and > > hobnobbing with the rich, only he won't admit it to his public, and > > possibly not to himself as time goes on... > > > > And it works for awhile, however unbeknownst to Maharishi, Guru Dev > > has planted a time bomb of sorts associated with this type of > > deception. > > > > Unlike a businessman or politician who indulges in the abuse of > power, > > the sins of a meditator, including Maharishi, will come to light > more > > quickly with far more devastating consequences, for the simple > reason > > that the use of the TM mantra leads to an irrevocable expansion of > > awareness. And w
[FairfieldLife] Just Another Cafe 'What If' Story
What if the whole history of the TM movement were an outgrowth of a young bhakti's attachment to the object of his love, and desire to have that love "requited" in the form of appreciation of the work that he did on his behalf? I don't think many of us here know much about Guru Dev and his personality. People make assumptions about his enlightenment, but hey!...even the enlightened have personalities. What if his was a bit on the gruff side, as some of the photos hint at, and he was less than emotionally open to those around him? Or, what if, having been brought up in a tradition in which one does not often praise those around them openly because that might lead to the development of ego in odd ways, he never praised those who worked with him and for him? And what if one of those who worked for him were a young bhakti who was just head over heels in love with Guru Dev (and please get your minds out of the gutter...I am NOT, even for a moment, suggesting any kind of 'unnatural' love here, merely head-over-heels bhakti) and who worked his butt off for him every day, doing menial jobs and what- ever needed to be done around the ashram? What if the process of doing that -- performing selfless service -- got the young bhakti high as a kite and even opened for him a few glimpses into higher states of con- sciousness? And what if that were cool, but what the young bhakti *really* wanted, more than anything else in life, was for Guru Dev to turn to him one day and say, "Mahesh, you're the best?" And what if that never happened? What if the object of this love just up and died one day, without ever having said it? What if the young bhakti were so distraught that he threw himself into the Ganges, trying to follow his beloved teacher to the grave? Time passes. The young bhakti is still fixated on Guru Dev, still heavily attached to him, and still wanting to serve him, because service is really the only thing that really got him high. Besides, in his heart he's still hoping to hear Guru Dev say someday, "Mahesh, you're the best." Think about Maharishi's fascination with the story of Trotaka, and about the importance he has given that story in his teachings. What was the outcome of that story? Someone saying, "Trotaka, you're the best." So the young bhakti puts together some meditation tech- niques and begins to teach them. He goes to the West, finds it receptive to these techniques, and an organiza- tion forms. And as it forms, he subtly (and probably unconsciously) shapes it to resemble the situation he grew up in. There is One teacher, One source of knowledge, One chain of command, and this time he's the One. And almost from Day One, a strong part of the dogma he teaches is that this set of teachings is "the best." As more and more people join the organization, the dogma extends to measures to try to ensure that no one within it has much opportunity to learn otherwise. Prohibitions about reading books from other spiritual traditions arise; after time they are actually enforced with shunning within the organization or, if the need arises, removal from the organization. And a subdogma arises about how the faithful should *think* of those who have been removed from the organization, or worse, have chosen to leave it on their own. They are to be pitied for having lost the Way, and they are to be shunned if encountered, and they are to be badrapped to others if their name comes up in conversation. The image of "the best" is preserved. And the young man whose spiritual teacher would never tell him that he was "the best" becomes the person whom most of the people in the organization consider "the best." And then, karma being the real pain in the ass that it is, the young man gradually becomes an old man, and along the Way has to deal with what being considered "the best" can DO to an ego. These are just random thoughts on a holiday afternoon here in Paris, sitting at a sidewalk café sipping a fine Saint Émillion Grand Cru and thinking about Maharishi. You're getting them as they flow by, unpolished, un-thought- through. They're Just Another Café 'What If' Story. But I like the story because it makes me smile, and think even more positively about Maharishi than ever. What if all of this were true? What if, to some extent, the whole history of the TM movement were really based on a young man's attachment to his spiritual teacher, and his desire to hear four simple words: "Mahesh, you're the best?" What if that really *were* what it was all about? Well in my book that would be just fine. Look at what the man did. He managed to turn millions of fellow human beings on to the joys of meditation and the pathway to enlightenment. In one way or another, he will continue to do so even after his own death. That's a nice thing to have done with one's life, *whatever* the reasons for doing it might have been.
[FairfieldLife] Re: where Maharishi went wrong
I had a similar (but not exactly the same) set of insights not long ago, Jim, while sitting at one of my favorite cafes here in Paris. I'll try to find it and post it here. It's fascinating that such things must be "in the air" right now, and are being picked up on by people who cared (and still care, despite everything) for Maharishi. Unc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After thinking over the last day about where Maharishi went wrong, I > have reached the following conclusions: > > He starts out as a naive Indian student and seeker. By naive I mean he > knows very little about the West, or the rest of the world outside > India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of a geek as a > householder, physics student and all... > > He is fortunate through his seeking to find Brahmananda Saraswati, and > commences his study with him. He also decides he will be a celibate > monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, he derives a clear > understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak about it clearly too. > > I think what was going on here was a couple of things: Maharishi comes > from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the Veda are relatively > commonplace. When I think about his early exposition of his teaching, > there is not a lot of content, just some mantras and their proper use, > derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. > > Profound knowledge to be sure, though something which could be derived > relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if one is already > operating within a supportive cultural context for such knowledge. > Combine this with his ability to speak well, and possessing a > charismatic personality, and who emerges? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. > > Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge of the mantras, > absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous success. The success > is due to him having a systematic and practical technique to back up > his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk from India. He also has > the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his experience up til then, > and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it seems a reasonable > ambition. > > As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his wildest dreams I am > sure, he begins to see that those around him are granting him > unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate the rudimentary > knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of TM mantras, with > himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he is less than perfect > will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his followers, and > consequently his ambition to enlighten the world. > > Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi finds himself in a > position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled desires, and little > knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive combo for sure. > > He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for sex and hobnobbing > with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires in the world. At the > same time, he is aware from the feedback he has received that he is > seen as a realized Master (and he is probably pretty high on himself > at this point too...). > > This sets up the key quandry for Maharishi: > If he acts on his desires and is open about it, he will disappoint the > vision of himself that his followers, and he himself, has of himself, > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the celibate monk. If he doesn't act on his > desires, this 'guru' business just isn't all that much fun, is it? > > So he makes his fatal mistake: He will act on his desires for sex and > hobnobbing with the rich, only he won't admit it to his public, and > possibly not to himself as time goes on... > > And it works for awhile, however unbeknownst to Maharishi, Guru Dev > has planted a time bomb of sorts associated with this type of > deception. > > Unlike a businessman or politician who indulges in the abuse of power, > the sins of a meditator, including Maharishi, will come to light more > quickly with far more devastating consequences, for the simple reason > that the use of the TM mantra leads to an irrevocable expansion of > awareness. And what you are aware of, you are accountable for. > > This expansion of awareness in Maharishi and those around him meant > that on a subtle feeling level he was literally broadcasting his > hidden desires, while at the same time attempting to keep them quiet > on the surface. > > Like the wife of a husband who is cheating on her, those around > Maharishi knew on a subtle level something was wrong, but their > infatuation with 'the monk from India' illusion kept them from seeing > it clearly, and calling him on it. > > This then led to the dyfunction common in such situations. The impact > on Maharishi's organization was devestating, especially so because of > the ongoing expansion of awareness experienced by the group. There is
[FairfieldLife] where Maharishi went wrong
After thinking over the last day about where Maharishi went wrong, I have reached the following conclusions: He starts out as a naive Indian student and seeker. By naive I mean he knows very little about the West, or the rest of the world outside India. I suspect too that he was probably kind of a geek as a householder, physics student and all... He is fortunate through his seeking to find Brahmananda Saraswati, and commences his study with him. He also decides he will be a celibate monk, etc. Through his association with Guru Dev, he derives a clear understanding of Reality, and finds he can speak about it clearly too. I think what was going on here was a couple of things: Maharishi comes from India where Hinduism and the knowledge of the Veda are relatively commonplace. When I think about his early exposition of his teaching, there is not a lot of content, just some mantras and their proper use, derived from his closeness to Guru Dev. Profound knowledge to be sure, though something which could be derived relatively quickly with the proper guidance, if one is already operating within a supportive cultural context for such knowledge. Combine this with his ability to speak well, and possessing a charismatic personality, and who emerges? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Then as he spreads his message and the knowledge of the mantras, absorbed by him from Guru Dev, he enjoys enormous success. The success is due to him having a systematic and practical technique to back up his speaking. However, he remains a naive monk from India. He also has the ambition to enlighten the world. Given his experience up til then, and 'cooking' in Guru Dev's presence for years, it seems a reasonable ambition. As he becomes more and more successful, beyond his wildest dreams I am sure, he begins to see that those around him are granting him unlimited power over them. He now begins to equate the rudimentary knowledge that he has perfected, the teaching of TM mantras, with himself. He also sees that to ever admit that he is less than perfect will possibly jeopardize his teaching amongst his followers, and consequently his ambition to enlighten the world. Here we come to the good part: So now, Maharishi finds himself in a position where he has a lot of power, unfulfilled desires, and little knowledge about the West. A potentially explosive combo for sure. He begins to act out his unfulfilled desires for sex and hobnobbing with the rich and powerful; pretty common desires in the world. At the same time, he is aware from the feedback he has received that he is seen as a realized Master (and he is probably pretty high on himself at this point too...). This sets up the key quandry for Maharishi: If he acts on his desires and is open about it, he will disappoint the vision of himself that his followers, and he himself, has of himself, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the celibate monk. If he doesn't act on his desires, this 'guru' business just isn't all that much fun, is it? So he makes his fatal mistake: He will act on his desires for sex and hobnobbing with the rich, only he won't admit it to his public, and possibly not to himself as time goes on... And it works for awhile, however unbeknownst to Maharishi, Guru Dev has planted a time bomb of sorts associated with this type of deception. Unlike a businessman or politician who indulges in the abuse of power, the sins of a meditator, including Maharishi, will come to light more quickly with far more devastating consequences, for the simple reason that the use of the TM mantra leads to an irrevocable expansion of awareness. And what you are aware of, you are accountable for. This expansion of awareness in Maharishi and those around him meant that on a subtle feeling level he was literally broadcasting his hidden desires, while at the same time attempting to keep them quiet on the surface. Like the wife of a husband who is cheating on her, those around Maharishi knew on a subtle level something was wrong, but their infatuation with 'the monk from India' illusion kept them from seeing it clearly, and calling him on it. This then led to the dyfunction common in such situations. The impact on Maharishi's organization was devestating, especially so because of the ongoing expansion of awareness experienced by the group. There is obviously no way to support the very selective expansion of awareness; it leads to warping of the mind. As all of us here can attest, with our ongoing meditations, awareness expands 360 degrees, not selectively as we may wish it to. To make a long story short, this was the undoing of Maharishi. Although he has continued to grow and change, he has never been able to put the genie back in the bottle. His organization, mirroring his need for deception has become necessarily deformed from what it might have been, similar to an inflating balloon which is being stepped on. The purity of the teaching remains. TM c
[FairfieldLife] Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal
Some of you may already know this book, or its author Christopher Moore. Based on the sensibilities of folks here, and your evident senses of humor, if you haven't I really think you'd like it. IMO, Christopher Moore is one of the funniest men on the planet. You can tell a lot just from the titles of some of his books: "Practical Demonkeeping," "Bloodsucking Fiends: A Love Story," "The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove," and "Island of the Sequined Love Nun." But with "Lamb" he really outdid himself. It is *exactly* what its title implies, the Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal. I think it's a truly funny, sweet, uplifting, and irreverently reverent novel. I give if 5 crosses. :-) I have recommended this book to Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Jews and atheists; to priests, rabbis, Indian gurus, Zen masters, and others; not one of them has disliked it, and most, if they could stop laughing long enough, have passed the recommendation along to their colleagues and/or students. The book is more provocative in concept than it is in actuality. I think it's actually remarkably understated. The basic idea is simple -- an angel named Raziel gets orders to go "dirtside" and resurrect Christ's best friend "Levi who was called Biff" after 2000 years to write a new Gospel. He is to tell the truth this time, as only a best friend -- who met his best bud Joshua (Jeshua, Jesus) when they both were six, who traveled with him to the East, and who was with him as a disciple (not an apostle...there is a difference, as you will learn) until the end -- can tell it. Along the way you will learn the origin of many things. Blond jokes (angels are all blond, and are gorgeous but not terribly bright), the secret martial art known as Jew-do, sarcasm (invented by Biff, never quite understood by Josh), the proper method of choosing a harlot, how bunnies came to be associated with Easter, what the rough draft of the Sermon on the Mount sounded like, and what the H in Jesus H. Christ stands for. And yeah, it really is understated, in its own way. Moore could have gone WAY over the top with this premise. But he didn't. His version of Christ is *exactly* what he is portrayed to be in the four Gospels we got stuck with; he just adds a new perspective. And a wonderful perspective it is, too. Biff -- total asshole, with the subtlety of a water buffalo, with the lustful appetites of a Don Juan and the ethics of a weasel, but above all with a love for his friend Josh matched in literature only by the one that Sam showed for Frodo in "The Lord Of The Rings." It's a great tale. You will laugh out loud more than once a chapter, and at the end you will actually see the tale of Jesus differently than you did before, and appreciate it more. And, you'll know how to tell the difference between a bona fide vision of the Virgin Mary and elephant poop. What's not to like about that? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
> Under U.S. tax laws, you can only give 50% of your > income and deduct it > from your taxable income, so it's highly unlikely > that Gratzon could > possibly have made a offer which would have resulted > in his owing large > sums to the U.S. Treasury. Plus, charitable deducations from personal income can reduce only federal taxes, and not FICA taxes, which can often be higher than federal taxes. In my state, state taxes cannot be reduced, either. --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/15/05 8:03 PM, bbrigante at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/15/05 5:52 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Several parts of Earl's letter seem like > reaction formations--but > other > > > parts ring true. One of the most disturbing was > the report of Mahesh > > > lamenting his inability to milk the Kaplan's > entire fortune. It > really > > > paints a sinister picture of a greed-crazed > avaricious man that has > > > been heard again and again and again. Only this > time you hear a > clear > > > source on this. I found it chilling in it's > portrait of M. > > > > Fred Gratzon told a story of how he offered > Maharishi all of his > money, or > > all of his stock in Telegroup, and Maharishi was > angry at him. Then he > > offered him half of it, and Maharishi was pleased. > If Cliff is > reading this > > perhaps he can clarify or elaborate. > > * > > Under U.S. tax laws, you can only give 50% of your > income and deduct it > from your taxable income, so it's highly unlikely > that Gratzon could > possibly have made a offer which would have resulted > in his owing large > sums to the U.S. Treasury. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: a reply to a FFL quote
Us beasts are basically just cows to milk. The irony is that we are given the highest teachings and then what? We become Kamadenu, the wish fulfilling cow. Ask Shiva if it's all just bull. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: a reply to a FFL quote On May 16, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Llundrub wrote: In any case, you can't take it with you. I'm sure that was Maharishi's real meaning, you can't take it with you so give it to me. Yes, you feel better now yes? Yes. Veddy veddy good. Please go sit in the dome now 7 hours a day yes? Yes. Pashu.Maybe not a nice as a pashu, probably worse. Alain Danielou, who was a sishya of Swami Karpatri (the "Shankaracharya-maker")--who was a student of Swami Brahmanandi Saraswati--was made to always sit in the back of the room with the untouchables. While Swami Karpatri did teach to all castes, he still closely observed caste divisions. All foreigners are "untouchables". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Best to just Buy the Golden Dawn by regardie, or The Tree of Life. TY ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: a reply to a FFL quote
On May 16, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Llundrub wrote: In any case, you can't take it with you. I'm sure that was Maharishi's real meaning, you can't take it with you so give it to me. Yes, you feel better now yes? Yes. Veddy veddy good. Please go sit in the dome now 7 hours a day yes? Yes. Pashu. Maybe not a nice as a pashu, probably worse. Alain Danielou, who was a sishya of Swami Karpatri (the "Shankaracharya-maker")--who was a student of Swami Brahmanandi Saraswati--was made to always sit in the back of the room with the untouchables. While Swami Karpatri did teach to all castes, he still closely observed caste divisions. All foreigners are "untouchables".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: a reply to a FFL quote
No, he was veddy veddy rich. He had the trees for shade, the caves for himes, the whole villages for family, the rivers for water, the ... you get the picture. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: a reply to a FFL quote Rick Archer posted for someone:> > Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with me> chatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi had> told him something like the more money you have, the> more evolved you are.Guess that means Guru Dev was a low-vibe slime during his forest days, eh? :-)UncTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
Best to just Buy the Golden Dawn by regardie, or The Tree of Life. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > On May 16, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Llundrub wrote:> > meaning which was tantric speaks about the Middle Path of Gimel based > > on the central pathway of the Otz Chiim, and the raising of ones > > sights to the third eye in Kether. Der.> > Bingo: the amrita-nadiI like that kabbalah stuff . Any links would be nice to have...To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: a reply to a FFL quote
Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with mechatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi hadtold him something like the more money you have, themore evolved you are. That's no secret. It's the obvious caste attitude of the fanatical Hindu who likes keeping slaves and enjoys damning democracy where women and minorities have a shot at moving up the ladder of professions. Divine order. In this way Guru Dev was very strict. He believed in divine order and heloing it to be maintained. He was of the Samayacharaya Sri Chakra school which are the most sattvic and fundamental. Ironically Maharishi did everything totally against Guru Dev's standards. While he's selling Sri he's also giving the knowledge to pashus, and recreating a new caste within his new Vatican type institution. it's all cogs within wheels within gears. At this late date in the TMO one should not take anything very literally or attach any real significance to anything that is done in one persons name or another. One thing is most sure of all. As ye sow so shall ye reap. The rich have more power to rise higher or fall lower. If one uses their money to exploit, divide and rule then one day they will be at the bottom of that as well. It's very hard for rich people to better themselves because they have the mind on their money all the time, not on things as they are. Out of ten thousand rich people, only one will do something beneficial with it, the rest just maintain status quo, or worse. In any case, you can't take it with you. I'm sure that was Maharishi's real meaning, you can't take it with you so give it to me. Yes, you feel better now yes? Yes. Veddy veddy good. Please go sit in the dome now 7 hours a day yes? Yes. Pashu. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 15, 2005, at 9:01 PM, bbrigante wrote: > > > a true testament to the quality of life in > > the Kaliyuga. > > More accurately, a testament to the TMO and the TM-Sidhi program. No program is any good, there is no program on earth that will by itself break through human stubborness. For me the TM-Sidhi program is something wonderful. The idea that enlightenment or rather, growth toward greater awareness of Self depends mostly on the perfect technique or most powerful pranyama or most esoteric insider tantric knowledge is just more belief in the relative as far as I am concerned. TM-Sidhi meditation applied with humility, sincerity and innocence is as good as it gets. If one is not attracted to it...fine, find something that feels right and enjoy that. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 16, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Llundrub wrote: > > meaning which was tantric speaks about the Middle Path of Gimel based > > on the central pathway of the Otz Chiim, and the raising of ones > > sights to the third eye in Kether. Der. > > Bingo: the amrita-nadi I like that kabbalah stuff . Any links would be nice to have... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: a reply to a FFL quote
Rick Archer posted for someone: > > Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with me > chatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi had > told him something like the more money you have, the > more evolved you are. Guess that means Guru Dev was a low-vibe slime during his forest days, eh? :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: a reply to a FFL quote
This was sent to me on the side: Unc said, when discussing how movements degenerate into money meaning status or some such: The first is that how much money one has or is able to make is somehow tied to their level of evolution or to the "support of nature" for their endeavors. Around 1990 one of the big donors once sat in a room with me chatting and very seriously told me that Maharishi had told him something like the more money you have, the more evolved you are. So Maharishi feeds these people this kind of thing all the time. I just sat there dazedI mean how do you answer something like that. He sure was in his own puffed up world... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More stirring reviews of Hagelin in "What the Bleep"
On May 16, 2005, at 11:18 AM, guybanner2002 wrote: > "What The Bleep Do We Know" is one of the best films I have seen. > Worth seeing! If you see any film this year make it this one! It's out on DVD too, but worth seeing on the big screen. It will be interesting to see what happens to Hagelin once M. dies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More stirring reviews of Hagelin in "What the Bleep"
"What The Bleep Do We Know" is one of the best films I have seen. Worth seeing! If you see any film this year make it this one! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Simon Singh in The Guardian: > > > > "And if you are still considering going to see this film, then > please > > bear in mind the credibility and motives of the interviewees in > the > > film. John Hagelin, one of the PhD physicists, is from the > Maharishi > > University of Management. Take my advice and do not see this film. > I > > repeat, do not see this film. I repeat again, do not see this > film. If > > you do, then you will leave the cinema misinformed, £8 poorer and > > having wasted two hours of your life. > > · Simon Singh has a PhD in particle physics from Cambridge > University. > > He is also the author of The Code Book and Big Bang, and reviews > What > > the Bleep Do We Know!? for Front Row on BBC Radio 4, Thursday, > 7.30pm" > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/7dedp>>> > > > It is an awful film. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Zen Master Rama; was Kaplans $
http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html On May 16, 2005, at 10:48 AM, off_world_beings wrote: > Who is this Rama guy? Was he an Indian or a Westerner. What did he > look like? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for the response Unc. I've enjoyed reading >> about your experiences with him. Quite amazing stuff. >> -Peter >> >> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may have missed out. I worked with a >>> spiritual > teacher who took his students to Disneyland >>> often. > http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm13.html Unc, how have you "come to terms (if that's the >>> right term)" with your powerful experiences with Rama >>> and his rather bizarre death and less than >>> "enlightened" behavior at times? -Peter >>> >>> In two words, "Shit happens." >>> >>> I had already left his study a couple of years >>> before >>> he died, and thus wasn't as affected by it as a lot >>> of >>> folks who hung in there to the end. I don't really >>> know >>> anything about the "whys" of it all; it's a koan. I >>> spent >>> some time pondered it in one of the stories I wrote, >>> at: >>> http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm53.html >>> >>> As I suggested in a recent post, for many reasons I >>> do >>> not believe in the idea that the enlightened are >>> perfect >>> and don't make mistakes. I don't think they're any >>> different than anyone else, except on the level of >>> subjec- >>> tive realization. So I have no tendency to suggest >>> that >>> odd or questionable behavior means that someone >>> wasn't >>> enlightened. All it suggests to me is that they >>> indulge >>> in odd or questionable behavior. So did many >>> teachers >>> whom history regards as enlightened. Big deal. >>> >>> I'm also not a person who is terribly impressed by >>> the >>> ability to perform siddhis, and wasn't when I met >>> the Rama >>> guy. I got to see and experience some neat stuff, >>> and >>> enjoyed it, but I did not then and do not now make >>> any >>> link between being able to, say, levitate and turn >>> invisible >>> and do fascinating things with light and that >>> person's state >>> of consciousness. The main thing that impressed me >>> about >>> the guy was his ability to meditate. When you sat >>> with him >>> in the early days, it was just silence -- pure >>> samadhi. It >>> was *impossible* to have a thought. All the other >>> stuff >>> was bells and whistles, IMO. >>> >>> To be honest, not all of his students felt as I did. >>> They >>> definitely consider the enlightened perfect by >>> definition, >>> so his suicide fucked with their heads Big-Time. If >>> you >>> believe that your teacher is enlightened and that >>> the enlight- >>> ened are by definition perfect, then you have to >>> jump through >>> a lot of mental hoops to justify suicide. I'm not >>> much in >>> touch with them, so I can't tell you how they've >>> come to >>> terms with things. >>> >>> For me, it was a wild and wacky Mister Toad ride >>> that I shall >>> always be thankful for but don't spend a lot of time >>> missing >>> or even thinking about. Right here and now is too >>> wild and >>> wacky and wonderful to leave much time for that. >>> >>> Unc >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, send a message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Or go to: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >>> and click 'Join This Group!' >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> __ >> Yahoo! Mail Mobile >> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A mini lesson in Buddhism
(ha ha made you look) A mini lesson in Buddhism: > 2. What was it they gave, according to the Buddha? (think 'no' > this, 'no' that) > --Show me where Buddha says, "(think 'no' > this, 'no' that)" Try that one again Llundrub. Think before you leap. > >>This rule of thumb might make your life more effective. Of course, what real content is and what isn't is up to you as the debater, but if everyones response is to back away from you like from a mad dog then you will sense how they see you. >>> You mean like when everyone doesn't bother to read your long self agrandizing rambling monologues. > I'll give you a teaching of the Buddha: > Everything is the mudra or seal of the Guru. How you act or react is merely a reflection of your spontaneous realization. >> Thus your non-specific disjointed post. I see. > > Om Ah Hung.>> Its hanging good thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
Who is this Rama guy? Was he an Indian or a Westerner. What did he look like? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the response Unc. I've enjoyed reading > about your experiences with him. Quite amazing stuff. > -Peter > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You may have missed out. I worked with a > > spiritual > > > > teacher who took his students to Disneyland > > often. > > > > http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm13.html > > > > > > Unc, how have you "come to terms (if that's the > > right > > > term)" with your powerful experiences with Rama > > and > > > his rather bizarre death and less than > > "enlightened" > > > behavior at times? > > > -Peter > > > > In two words, "Shit happens." > > > > I had already left his study a couple of years > > before > > he died, and thus wasn't as affected by it as a lot > > of > > folks who hung in there to the end. I don't really > > know > > anything about the "whys" of it all; it's a koan. I > > spent > > some time pondered it in one of the stories I wrote, > > at: > > http://ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm53.html > > > > As I suggested in a recent post, for many reasons I > > do > > not believe in the idea that the enlightened are > > perfect > > and don't make mistakes. I don't think they're any > > different than anyone else, except on the level of > > subjec- > > tive realization. So I have no tendency to suggest > > that > > odd or questionable behavior means that someone > > wasn't > > enlightened. All it suggests to me is that they > > indulge > > in odd or questionable behavior. So did many > > teachers > > whom history regards as enlightened. Big deal. > > > > I'm also not a person who is terribly impressed by > > the > > ability to perform siddhis, and wasn't when I met > > the Rama > > guy. I got to see and experience some neat stuff, > > and > > enjoyed it, but I did not then and do not now make > > any > > link between being able to, say, levitate and turn > > invisible > > and do fascinating things with light and that > > person's state > > of consciousness. The main thing that impressed me > > about > > the guy was his ability to meditate. When you sat > > with him > > in the early days, it was just silence -- pure > > samadhi. It > > was *impossible* to have a thought. All the other > > stuff > > was bells and whistles, IMO. > > > > To be honest, not all of his students felt as I did. > > They > > definitely consider the enlightened perfect by > > definition, > > so his suicide fucked with their heads Big-Time. If > > you > > believe that your teacher is enlightened and that > > the enlight- > > ened are by definition perfect, then you have to > > jump through > > a lot of mental hoops to justify suicide. I'm not > > much in > > touch with them, so I can't tell you how they've > > come to > > terms with things. > > > > For me, it was a wild and wacky Mister Toad ride > > that I shall > > always be thankful for but don't spend a lot of time > > missing > > or even thinking about. Right here and now is too > > wild and > > wacky and wonderful to leave much time for that. > > > > Unc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
Body speech mind of the Buddha. The three modes of Buddhadharma. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>wrote:> Om Ah Hung.Dare I ask what this mantra is for?AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Om Ah Hung. Dare I ask what this mantra is for? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kaplan's money
On May 16, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > I know MMY is enlightened because Rajneesh said he > was. Yeah but M. stated that Rajneesh was NOT, so that answers that question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
