[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
I went to the Register office for Trademarks in Norway and talked to a Lawyer in the office. The TMO had applied several times to get registered Transcendental Meditation as Trademark. Every time they were turned down. The Lawyer told me that the word transcendental is a description of a state in consciousness, and that they would not accept to trademark a description of a word. The same with meditation. So she said: You should just go ahead and use Transcendental Meditation in you advertising. But this is Norway - maybe it is different in other countries - I do not know. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked it up in Norway. TMO has no Trademark on Transcendental Meditation - and will not have it in the Future, because Transcendental is a description of a state of consciousness and is universal. I do not know about other countries, maybe it would be wise to check out. The more people using Transcendental Meditation in their marketing outside the TMO, the more difficult it will be to get it as Trademark Ingegerd And this is a good thing? BTW, how did you checkthis out? Are you saying that there is NO registered trademark? What about the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field, for instance? I guess I'll just either have to teach quietly or wait for the lawsuits and their resolution. I'm pretty sure that they will happen soon enough. I seriously doubt that there will be any lawsuits. As Ingegerd has pointed out, the TMO is afraid to bring any real intellectual property case to court because their case is so weak. Also, if you read between the lines of recertification, especially the part about having to do it over and over again every few years, that's a lawyer thang. What I've heard is that NONE of the agreements asked of teachers along the way are now legally enforceable. So the recert program is to create a whole new set that will be legally enforceable. Unc One agreement certainly is enforceable: trademark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.paulmason.info/x/MMYonGD.mp3 Paul, If memory is not failing, I believe I've heard this before. Is it from the audio tape sets in the blue covers? Where all the edits in the source that you made the mp3 file from ? Thanks for posting that clip JohnY John, In a previous postings I believe you mentioned that you have a copy (of the first edition) of my biography of MMY, there are a few snatches of this recordings quoted there. Re: edits. The mp3 is faithful to the 'master' tape with no edits. I posted the mp3 in order to allay any doubts about the contents of the transcript I wrote. I'm glad you enjoyed hearing it - it is now about thirty-five years old. Jay Gurudev Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...pretty anarchic. Like his comment that most exports come from abroad. Have a quick glance at some of these remarks from the most powerful man in the world who just might, with the aid of his arsenal and some Tesla thinking, be able to split the world into two hemisphers like the trick with the apple. Uns. http://www.bushisms.com/NewQuotes.html You're confusing the guy who has a hard time speaking in public, and exagerates it to make him seem a just folks kinda guy, with the private person raised in the most ultra-elite circles in the US social scene who has managed to make many genuine friends with world leaders based on his abilities as a one-on-one speaker. His set speeches are fine. They are based on teams of Nibelungen working in underground caves getting it right. When he opens his mouth on other occasions, do we not see the fruits of his own brain, imagination and consciousness? Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=48291 Laugh at the humorless...it's much more effective than a boycott. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the trick is not to try so hard, not to manipulate. These things will take care of themselves in due time. Otherwise, it seems such a joke - the ego trying to stop the ego from interfering - why should it participate in its own annihilation? -If you can show me an ego I can tell you how to annihilate it. It's not about annihilating something. Just like it's not about killing the neighbor with the stereo. It's about learning to hear the silence through the music, and seeing what isn't of the ego. Then it's all good in the hood. Bingo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News is that those who applied for the new recertification course don't have to take it. They are officially recertified by virtue of the fact that they were accepted for the course. They're just being told to go out and teach. Presumably they'll get their course fee refunded. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine this as 'purity of the tradition' or something similar. IMO this is typical of conditioned thinking or the semantical programming of the TMO: 'we're unique, we're effortless, etc.' It's mincing onions in a desperate attempt to defend a positionless postion. The give away is when people read vaguely different definitions into ordinary words or phrases. Attempting to change the intention of the word work is typical. Diagnosis: Judy Stein Syndrome (JSS). Don't worry, it is curable. Stop meditating, eat meat-and-potatoes and stop reading/watching movement media for one month min. Esp. avoid anything gold gilt. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, I didn't do it, the three gunas did. or some such ilk. While you can comprehend, quite clearly, waking state from CC, you can't even remotely understand CC from waking state. --- hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --That's the flaw in your reasoning, Peter: supposed multiple Dharmas. There's just Dharma...not one for CC, one for other states, etc. In any state of awareness, desires occur since they are DRIVEN by bodily impulses which are ingrained patterns of behavior. (occuring before, and after Enlightenment). The delusional ego in the state of ignorance is not the source of desires. It's only a fictional actor, while the real actor is the body. In Enlightenment, the fictional actor (the ego resulting from false identifcation) is absent; but the REAL actor with all of its impules, inihibitions, limitations, and ingrained behaviors remains, even beyond the grave. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- yhvhworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Is this supposed to be some type of excuse for immoral behavior? Things just don't happen. People (victims - women...get raped, for example, little boys get fondled.) These are crimes, not happenings.. Of course they are. Who said they aren't?. Waking state has its own dharma and CC has its own dharma. You can't cross understanding of these two dharmas or you come to these ridiculous conclusions. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unenlightened person looks at an enlightened person and they appear to have desires. They talk, they move, they eat food, they do this and that, they prefer one thing over another. What is it that is actually driving the speach, movements, eating? And when there are preferences, why is one thing preferred over another? If an answer is Brahman then does Brahman have a sense of I?. Rick Carlstrom In waking state there is a foundational confound between consciousness and the experiential sense of I. This I is ego. Because consciousness is projected into and identified with body/mind there is a bound sense of self: individuality. This ego assumes ownership for action. Thus in waking state we assume that action occurs because I am intending it. But in enlightenment it becomes rather clear that there is no I to intend or not to intend anything. Action just occurs or not occurs. Thoughts just occur or not occur. Feelings just occur or not occur. There is no I that takes ownership. The I actually does not exist. But it appears to exist in waking state and is confused with consciousness. What drives the behavior/thought/feeling of the enlightened is what drives everything phenomenal: God/Nature/Mystery, whatever. This is actually driving people in waking state too, but they think that subjective sense of I is doing it. It's quite the delusion! In fact from the behavioral level there is no difference between the unenlightened and the enlightened. But the enlightened person is not there in the way the unenlightened person believes themselves to be. There is no sense of I or mine in the enlightened person. There is no subjective self that sees itself as me or I . That just goes in enlightenment. The best an enlightened person can say is that they are nothing. They aren't there in they way an unenlightened person believes they are there. There is no personal identity or self in enlightenment. The mind can't understand this because it confounds a sense of individual self with consciousness. The two have no relationship what so ever. A personal self is a product of consciousness projecting into mind and experiencing itself as bound.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: Well, how do we keep the ego, still lurking in the shadows, at bey, always ready to ponce and take the power back to it's little self? So, however we can stay in the self-referral frame, we stay out of the ego. I guess that is the trick...or the surrender..to Self. Ego, the I-am-maker, ahamkara keeps it's limitation going mainly through asmita the sense of I-am-ness of composite sentience. Asmita is a klesha, an affliction, whose real name is stupor. Until stupor is destroyed in meditation, it will be impossible to see the reflection/illusion of Buddhi reflecting Purusha. The reason it is composite is because we're fooled into not getting that purusha+prakriti ain't purusha. Therefore discriminate and make the jump. Or not. Meditation with objects or supports gives rise to samadhis still containing I-am-ness (asmita-matra). Therefore it is helpful to integrate some higher practice or at least transition by meditating on subtler and subtler supports until purusha can be discriminated. My .02 USD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, I didn't do it, the three gunas did. And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlight- enment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent post about Jesus dying of a blood clot :-)
Jesus died of expectations to be something he wasn't, Israeli researcher Paul R says Updated: 1:08 p.m. ET June 8, 2005 JERUSALEM - An Israeli researcher has challenged the popular belief that Jesus died of blood loss on the cross, saying he probably succumbed to a sometimes fatal disorder now associated with being the focus to many religious nutcases who thought he was the son of God. Professor Benjamin Brenner wrote in The Journal of Divinity and The Problems It Causes that Jesus' death, traditionally believed to have occurred 3 to 6 hours after crucifixion began, was probably caused by the immense pressure to be divine, which he was not. Such pressure, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilization, multiple trauma and being constantly pestered by people with no faith in themselves, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa. This fits well with Jesus' condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death by crucifixion, he wrote in the article, based on religious and medical texts. A 1986 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association mentioned the possibility that Jesus suffered a blood clot but concluded that he died trying to be something he wasn't. But Brenner said research into God-like egomania had made significant strides over the past two decades. He said recent medical research has linked immobility among passengers on lengthy air flights to deep vein thrombosis, popularly known as economy-class syndrome in which potentially fatal blood clots can develop, usually in the lower legs. However that research has nothing to with Jesus and should be struck from the record, a lawyer for atheists said today. Brenner noted that before crucifixion, Jesus underwent hypnosis, but the researcher concluded that the amount of divinity actually in him would not have killed him. He said that Jesus, as a Jew from what is now northern Israel, may have been particularly at risk of a fatal enema of the soul. Meglomania, a rare condition in which humans subject another human to outrageous claims of family connections, is common to natives of the Galilee and the deep south of the USA, the researcher wrote. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using the 'television channel' instead. Bloomberg Television? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
I doon't know. I heard it from Barry Gordy a long time TM teacher from New Jersey. - Original Message - From: jyouells2000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: You can be a Founder of the Peace Palace Programs of the Peace Palace Invincibility to Every NationBig Snip Reduced Rates Due to overwhelming demand for the Maharishi TMTechniques and Programs Re-Certified TM Teachers are now allowed toteach TM and Programs at discretionary fees. Llundrub, Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lotof confidence - gee.JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Bikram case the precedent for recertification?
Bikram Choudry, the founder of Bikram Yoga, has successfully defended his 26 posture technique in court as unique. No others may use his form of McYoga without being certified instructors. One wonders if we were to examine the recertification papers if they use similar wording used in the Bikram suit to try to force adherence to a certified standard for TM's form of McMeditation? A program on the suit appeared wednesday of 60 Minutes (CBS). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
The website was here http://www.geocities.com/maharishipeacepalaces/ - Original Message - From: Llundrub To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates? I doon't know. I heard it from Barry Gordy a long time TM teacher from New Jersey. - Original Message - From: jyouells2000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: You can be a Founder of the Peace Palace Programs of the Peace Palace Invincibility to Every NationBig Snip Reduced Rates Due to overwhelming demand for the Maharishi TMTechniques and Programs Re-Certified TM Teachers are now allowed toteach TM and Programs at discretionary fees. Llundrub, Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lotof confidence - gee.JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, I didn't do it, the three gunas did. And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlight- enment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) Unc If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in ignorance. It is the justification or defense that makes the difference here. Someone who is truly enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just happens. But this understanding can not be used from the perspective of waking state because it is not what is even remotely experienced . To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlightenment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in ignorance. It is the justification or defense that makes the difference here. Someone who is truly enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just happens. But this understanding can not be used from the perspective of waking state because it is not what is even remotely experienced . I'm even easier to please. :-) I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the actions performed by the unenlightened, because there is no difference between the two other than subjective perception. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The website was here http://www.geocities.com/maharishipeacepalaces/ Reduced Rates Due to overwhelming demand for the Maharishi TM Techniques and Programs Re-Certified TM Teachers are now allowed to teach TM and Programs at discretionary fees. The site says the person must demonstrate the need for a reduced rate - still it's an interesting development. Why do they have to throw in the BS due to overwhelming demand??? Is the TMO PR dept. become physically unable to speak the truth?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine this as 'purity of the tradition' or something similar. IMO this is typical of conditioned thinking or the semantical programming of the TMO: 'we're unique, we're effortless, etc.' It's mincing onions in a desperate attempt to defend a positionless postion. The give away is when people read vaguely different definitions into ordinary words or phrases. Attempting to change the intention of the word work is typical. Diagnosis: Judy Stein Syndrome (JSS). Don't worry, it is curable. Stop meditating, eat meat-and-potatoes and stop reading/watching movement media for one month min. Esp. avoid anything gold gilt. ;-) For the record: I do meditate, but: I already eat meat and potatoes. I don't read or watch movement media, except for the occasional press release posted on the TM forums to which I subscribe (and I don't read most of those, nor do I take much if anything in those I do read seriously). I have a gold chain my mother gave me and a little gold ring my grandmother gave me, but otherwise nothing gold or gilt. Vaj's comments on TM in this exchange (and quite a few others) are just about as accurate as the syndrome he attributes to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Why not just call up MUM and ask them? Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :) Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
on 6/10/05 12:06 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9:52 -10:27 18 consecutive posts. May be a record. lurk I read fast, and many messages warrant a one-liner. Well at least please don't forget to snip. Finding a one-liner at the end of a 3-screen scroll (over and over again) is frustrating, and leads people (like me) to delete or skip your posts without reading them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :) Sal Now, if ever good advice was given on this forum, this certainly has to be the winner. Mo doubt about it, FFL is definitely not the place to be if rumors upset us!! Maybe there should be a warning sign on the FFL description on the home page!? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
on 6/10/05 12:25 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lot of confidence - gee. JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?) Now I'm hearing that any TM teacher may go out and teach if they want to, without any sort of recertification. Maybe a response to negative feedback to the recert idea? Or just M's erratic managerial style? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Rumors will much more upset those who make and spread them, especially if they are not true, than those who read and who are concerned about their validity and effect.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them?Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this "Report"?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Emily Levin
The link in this posting does not lead to any information about Emily Levin--please check it and then repost the appropriate link. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emily Levin's sister, Susie Dillbeck will be living in Chicago with her husband, Michael, the Raja of Chicago. Emily is at home with her mother--also in Illinois. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0903/p02s01-usju.html Who said Bob would never respond to reasonable emails? Well, I don't remember, but obviously they were wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
I learned long ago to deleat his messages to one or 2 folks NOT germain to us all.-Original Message-From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:44:02 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...' on 6/10/05 12:06 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9:52 -10:27 18 consecutive posts. May be a record. lurk I read fast, and many messages warrant a one-liner. Well at least please don't forget to snip. Finding a one-liner at the end of a 3-screen scroll (over and over again) is frustrating, and leads people (like me) to delete or skip your posts without reading them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Don't know for sure but I keep hearing it. Heard it again last night from a teacher who had just come from Lancaster. on 6/10/05 5:33 AM, chandashari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News is that those who applied for the new recertification course don't have to take it. They are officially recertified by virtue of the fact that they were accepted for the course. They're just being told to go out and teach. Presumably they'll get their course fee refunded. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
on 6/10/05 8:49 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The website was here http://www.geocities.com/maharishipeacepalaces/ Reduced Rates Due to overwhelming demand for the Maharishi TM Techniques and Programs Re-Certified TM Teachers are now allowed to teach TM and Programs at discretionary fees. The site says the person must demonstrate the need for a reduced rate - still it's an interesting development. Why do they have to throw in the BS due to overwhelming demand??? Is the TMO PR dept. become physically unable to speak the truth?? Why would the movement be hosting a site on geocities? Yet if you try to email them, you get a maharishi.net email address, which is official. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :) Now, if ever good advice was given on this forum, this certainly has to be the winner. Mo doubt about it, FFL is definitely not the place to be if rumors upset us!! Maybe there should be a warning sign on the FFL description on the home page!? How 'bout: WARNING: Things you read here might be dangerous to your Spiritual Certainty, and to the belief that everything that has been told to you is The Truth, and that you already know all that is worth knowing. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the actions performed by the unenlightened, because there is no difference between the two other than subjective perception. Unc Me neither (or is it either?). Anyway, I agree. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lot of confidence - gee. JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?) Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Thanks for the caring comment Sal - I guess this must be your feminine side coming out? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them? Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :) Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lot of confidence - gee. JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?) Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. Unc lol...not in the shop being repaired - in the Peace Palace being recertified To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. Unc This is the funniest thing I've read here yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn Them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In This E-Mail: U.S. and Britain Agree on Relief for Poor Nations By ELIZABETH BECKER and RICHARD W. STEVENSON The plan would free 18 countries from any obligation to repay the estimated $16.7 billion they owe international lenders. How many trillions of dollars have democracies stolen from Africa over the centuries -- natural resources, human slave trade, effects of colonization, etc.? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.paulmason.info/x/MMYonGD.mp3 Paul, If memory is not failing, I believe I've heard this before. Is it from the audio tape sets in the blue covers? Where all the edits in the source that you made the mp3 file from ? Thanks for posting that clip JohnY John, In a previous postings I believe you mentioned that you have a copy (of the first edition) of my biography of MMY, there are a few snatches of this recordings quoted there. Re: edits. The mp3 is faithful to the 'master' tape with no edits. I posted the mp3 in order to allay any doubts about the contents of the transcript I wrote. I'm glad you enjoyed hearing it - it is now about thirty-five years old. Jay Gurudev Paul Paul, I didn't doubt your transcript. I may have a copy of that tape. JohnY PS I also have some Guru Dev on tape, but I think that you have posted all that I have. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:14 PM, sparaig wrote: But TM doesn't work at transcending thought. I'd get checked while it's still free if I were you! As Rick and LBS would say OSF (obiligatory smilely face) ! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. This is the funniest thing I've read here yet. I think it's got the makings of a TV sitcom. Joe Meditator takes his mantra in for a tuneup and recertification and then has an accident while meditating with the loaner mantra and puts a big ding in its fender. He has to go back into the Peace Palace and try to get his original mantra back from a bunch of Rajas wearing long flowing robes and Burger King crowns, who are not amused by the dent in their shiny, officially-certified loaner mantra. They want Joe to pay the full list price for the damaged loaner ($2500), plus the mandatory Recert Fee for fixing his old one. Joe tells them to go check themselves, grabs his old mantra from the Raja and runs out the door with it. But as he disappears down the street, the Rajas chuckle and one says to the other, Just wait until he finds out that he can't transcend using it any more unless he pays us to recharge it every month. Heh heh. Jai Guru Dev. Tune in next week, as Joe tries to get the mind- control feature removed from his newly-certified mantra by meeting an outlaw TM teacher in a back alley of Brahmaloka. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
How? - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts Rumors will much more upset those who make and spread them, especially if they are not true, than those who read and who are concerned about their validity and effect.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them?Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this "Report"?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
Paul, I didn't doubt your transcript. I may have a copy of that tape. JohnY PS I also have some Guru Dev on tape, but I think that you have posted all that I have. John, I didn't think you doubted the transcript, it was a concern raised on another group that stimulated the decision to post the mp3. It is conceivable you have a copy of the tape although, to the best of my knowledge, few have heard this recording. If you have Guru Dev on tape please let me have anything that might conceivably be additional to the recordings I already have on his webpage. Better to be safe than sorry - You might have a missing link! Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Reduced Rates? Just a Joke
Haha, from what Barry Gordy tells me, the reduced rates thing is just a joke. He wanted to prove the point that it was barely believable knowing what we know about the TMO that they would ever reduce rates. Haha, yes, the joke's on us Barry G. Good One. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. This is the funniest thing I've read here yet. I think it's got the makings of a TV sitcom. Joe Meditator takes his mantra in for a tuneup and recertification and then has an accident while meditating with the loaner mantra and puts a big ding in its fender. He has to go back into the Peace Palace and try to get his original mantra back from a bunch of Rajas wearing long flowing robes and Burger King crowns, who are not amused by the dent in their shiny, officially-certified loaner mantra. They want Joe to pay the full list price for the damaged loaner ($2500), plus the mandatory Recert Fee for fixing his old one. Joe tells them to go check themselves, grabs his old mantra from the Raja and runs out the door with it. But as he disappears down the street, the Rajas chuckle and one says to the other, Just wait until he finds out that he can't transcend using it any more unless he pays us to recharge it every month. Heh heh. Jai Guru Dev. You mean all the makings of a Robert Crumb comic strip Tune in next week, as Joe tries to get the mind- control feature removed from his newly-certified mantra by meeting an outlaw TM teacher in a back alley of Brahmaloka. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Emailing: pleasure_palace.htm
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who is this ad directed at? They're actually using the word Re-Certified - that will instill a lot of confidence - gee. JohnY (but, but do I need a re-certified mantra?) Word has it that there will be a massive recall of defective mantras taught by uncertified teachers. Loaner mantras will be provided while yours is in the shop being repaired. Unc Whew - that's better service than I get from the local Auto Repair Shop. Who would have thought. ;-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're confusing the guy who has a hard time speaking in public, and
exagerates it to make him seem a just folks kinda guy, with the
private person raised in the most ultra-elite circles in the US
social scene who has managed to make many genuine friends with world
leaders based on his abilities as a one-on-one speaker.
and don't forget how easy it is to make 'friends' ('genuine' is
doubtful) when you have billions of dollars of other peoples' money to
throw around...weapons and spies too!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY answers questions about Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using the 'television channel' instead. Bloomberg Television? ha-ha! Good one! actually I meant that at times the momentum for spritual purification gets so powerful within me that I consciously take actions to slow it down, so I can integrate the expansion of consciousness better. Been doing it my whole meditating 'career'... Anyway that's what I meant when I said I put away my altar for awhile. And the television channel was a reference to absent the physical objects of my altar, they are in thought instead. (Not as your question implies, that I swing abruptly from a spritual orientation to a material one, and then back again...) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see that there is any difference *whatsoever* in the actions performed by the enlightened and the actions performed by the unenlightened, because there is no difference between the two other than subjective perception. Unc Me neither (or is it either?). Anyway, I agree. yeah the only diff is the attachment and the consequent suffering, or not To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn Them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In This E-Mail: U.S. and Britain Agree on Relief for Poor Nations By ELIZABETH BECKER and RICHARD W. STEVENSON The plan would free 18 countries from any obligation to repay the estimated $16.7 billion they owe international lenders. How many trillions of dollars have democracies stolen from Africa over the centuries -- natural resources, human slave trade, effects of colonization, etc.? they still do. Its called the World Bank and it works like this: We, the rich countries will lend you, the poor countries, money to pay for services and products that we the rich countries will provide you at exorbitant rates to subsidize our standard of living, whether you truly need such products and services or not. Then we will restructure your economies so that you can pay back the loans, and conveniently remain in our pocket, and under our sphere of influence. Any questions? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
In many different ways.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How? - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts Rumors will much more upset those who make and spread them, especially if they are not true, than those who read and who are concerned about their validity and effect.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them?Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this "Report"?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine this as 'purity of the tradition' or something similar. IMO this is typical of conditioned thinking or the semantical programming of the TMO: 'we're unique, we're effortless, etc.' It's mincing onions in a desperate attempt to defend a positionless postion. The give away is when people read vaguely different definitions into ordinary words or phrases. Attempting to change the intention of the word work is typical. C'mon Vaj, in my case interpreting the word work in your post as meaning effort was simply because that was the way I read it. No intent to twist or massage meaning there. You posted a correction to clarify the meaning of your statement and then I understood what your original intent was. End of story, or maybe it's more like the same story. You are a smart guy and I understand the frustration smart people feel when their unpopular yet intellectually and factually sound reasoning is disagreed with on a level that indicates it was never really understood in the first place. But we are hanging out in the peanut gallery here and provocative statements are going to generate defensive replies. People or groups displaying arrogant behaviour are sooner or later going to get nailed and that is the beauty of these forums. Anyone can step forward regardless of stature or demeanor and speak the truth or at least their idea of the truth and possibly expose myths. It's great, but when someone walks in and starts telling people that their sincere practice of many years is pretty much bullshit and will never really lead them anywhere other than a nice fuzzy feeling in their head, well it's just not very attractive. Rick Carlstrom Diagnosis: Judy Stein Syndrome (JSS). Don't worry, it is curable. Stop meditating, eat meat-and-potatoes and stop reading/watching movement media for one month min. Esp. avoid anything gold gilt. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts (yeah, so?)
--I'm having a hard time understanding why people would be upset with this news whether it was a rumor or not! With all of the talk of how people should teach outside the movement, and with all the talk of how rigid the organization is; when there is an indication that the organization might be making a more flexible decision, and even returning people's money, it baffles the mind to see people upset; what is there to be upset about. Just suppose things are moving more quickly and there is more trust that things will be ok without a structured re-up course, what is wrong with that. Sometimes I feel that people like controversy for it's own sake. Maybe we have been so conditioned in our time, to be so cynical, and divided, against ourselves...Or perhaps it's all just an ego typical play of whose better than who.. I felt that from Maharishi's talk yesterday, that he feels more confident that this whole thing is in place now, and it's just a matter of unfolding naturally, that enough momentum and communication has taken place to tip the scales, so it's unstoppable?? We'll see... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zdravko Baselli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many different ways. Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How? - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts Rumors will much more upset those who make and spread them, especially if they are not true, than those who read and who are concerned about their validity and effect. Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them? Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :) Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, I didn't do it, the three gunas did. And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlight- enment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) Unc If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in ignorance. It is the justification or defense that makes the difference here. Someone who is truly enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just happens. But this understanding can not be used from the perspective of waking state because it is not what is even remotely experienced . But the weather doesn't just happen, it only seems that way because we can't see over the horizon. If we could, we would realize that nothing just happens. My feeling is that enlightenment is the process of realization that one is not a separate individual but that one is God, that all is God. The realization that one is not the personallity, not the ego, not the body saying I am Rick, is really God disentangling itself from the illusion of individuality. But it seems like kind of a state of Limbo where the sense of being an individual has thankfully vanished but then responsibility for action has been handed off to a mystery something. Isn't that mystery something God? Thou art That. Wouldn't more integration be a greater indentification as God. Rather than hear people say I don't exist anymore and things just happen, how about I feel more like God than me and everything that happens is God. It's a personal universe. Rick Carlstrom Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent post about Jesus dying of a blood clot :-)
Actually, I've read that the major cause of death by crucifixion was from suffocation, when the lungs would collapse from the body hanging there too long. Don't really know about the validity of that. But the author has a point--Jesus could easily have caved from too much pestering. On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Such pressure, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilization, multiple trauma and being constantly pestered by people with no faith in themselves, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Hey, just trying to give a friendly warning--this place could easily be called Rumors R Us. (The TMO seems to do everything it can to encourage it--maybe you've noticed.) Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Rumors, urban legends--great stuff.:) Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 10:07 AM, chandashari wrote: Thanks for the caring comment Sal - I guess this must be your feminine side coming out?
[FairfieldLife] The TM Song
Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
I understand that rumors can cause damage; but in this case it was revealing how people reacted to the movement doing something out of character; I just think it is ironic...Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, just trying to give a friendly warning--this place could easily be called Rumors R Us. (The TMO seems to do everything it can to encourage it--maybe you've noticed.) Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Rumors, urban legends--great stuff.:)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 10:07 AM, chandashari wrote: Thanks for the caring comment Sal - I guess this must be your feminine side coming out?__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
I understand that rumors can cause damage; but in this case it was revealing how people reacted to the movement doing something out of character; I just think it is ironic...Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, just trying to give a friendly warning--this place could easily be called Rumors R Us. (The TMO seems to do everything it can to encourage it--maybe you've noticed.) Not that I'm complaining, mind you. Rumors, urban legends--great stuff.:)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 10:07 AM, chandashari wrote: Thanks for the caring comment Sal - I guess this must be your feminine side coming out?__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent post about Jesus dying of a blood clot :-)
Yes, Sal, that is the true physiology of what makes the hanging by crucifixion work. How we feel is heavily determined by inspiration and both the center of gravity, the consequential collapse of the chest cavity, and the purpose humiliation and public demonstration that this could happen to you, too, if you don't think, work and act 'republican' work in wholesale contrast to spiritual inspiration. Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - On 6/10/05, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I've read that the major cause of death by crucifixion was from suffocation, when the lungs would collapse from the body hanging there too long. Don't really know about the validity of that. But the author has a point--Jesus could easily have caved from too much pestering. On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:04 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Such pressure, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilization, multiple trauma and being constantly pestered by people with no faith in themselves, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: recent post about Jesus dying of a blood clot :-)
Amen. Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Dharma Mitra wrote: Yes, Sal, that is the true physiology of what makes the hanging by crucifixion work. How we feel is heavily determined by inspiration and both the center of gravity, the consequential collapse of the chest cavity, and the purpose humiliation and public demonstration that this could happen to you, too, if you don't think, work and act 'republican' work in wholesale contrast to spiritual inspiration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
--There was an albumn that Rick Stanley put out that had some real swingin' tunes on it! back around '76 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
I'd certainly welcome each and every one of them, Premanand Paul Masonji. The one and only one I knew of was, I think, titled 'The TM Song', went something like: TM in the AM, TM in the PM ... and on and on. I remember hearing that in top 40 radio in the early 70s, as well as for decades later on public radio. Any other TM songs you may have to share, send them on! Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - On 6/10/05, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Damn Them
Be careful of how you wield that we! Included among the strategies are leveraging needed financial and material help to garner numerically convenient votes when it comes to matters before tribunals and institutions, including the UN. On 6/10/05, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In This E-Mail: U.S. and Britain Agree on Relief for Poor Nations By ELIZABETH BECKER and RICHARD W. STEVENSON The plan would free 18 countries from any obligation to repay the estimated $16.7 billion they owe international lenders. How many trillions of dollars have democracies stolen from Africa over the centuries -- natural resources, human slave trade, effects of colonization, etc.? they still do. Its called the World Bank and it works like this: We, the rich countries will lend you, the poor countries, money to pay for services and products that we the rich countries will provide you at exorbitant rates to subsidize our standard of living, whether you truly need such products and services or not. Then we will restructure your economies so that you can pay back the loans, and conveniently remain in our pocket, and under our sphere of influence. Any questions? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com (360) 215-5119 Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reduced Rates?
I think it's got the makings of a TV sitcom... You mean all the makings of a Robert Crumb comic strip That could be arranged. I know Robert. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn Them
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful of how you wield that we! We, the rich countries I am a citizen of the usa. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: recent post about Jesus dying of a blood clot :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen. Sal On Jun 10, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Dharma Mitra wrote: Yes, Sal, that is the true physiology of what makes the hanging by crucifixion work. How we feel is heavily determined by inspiration and both the center of gravity, the consequential collapse of the chest cavity, and the purpose humiliation and public demonstration that this could happen to you, too, if you don't think, work and act 'republican' work in wholesale contrast to spiritual inspiration. Actually my short spraigian comment would have been: Oh, Jesus ! rather than Amen (no OSF) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Crows Attacking People in London...'
see this link: http://www.thisislondon.com/news/londonnews/articles/19218837? source=Evening%20Standard To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
Righhhttt! On 'Waves' the Charles Lloyd album. Mike Love of the Beachboys collaborated Great great song!! Did it come out as a single too? Probably only in the US. Jay Gurudev Paul --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd certainly welcome each and every one of them, Premanand Paul Masonji. The one and only one I knew of was, I think, titled 'The TM Song', went something like: TM in the AM, TM in the PM ... and on and on. I remember hearing that in top 40 radio in the early 70s, as well as for decades later on public radio. Any other TM songs you may have to share, send them on! Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - On 6/10/05, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
Do you mean his solo album? (actually Paul Horn Emil Richards appeared too, 00.playing flute and percussion respectively) 'Song of Life' - Rick Stanley - Ganesh Productions 1970 1. Same Thing 2. It's Easy 3. Three Fields of Life 4. Song of Life 5. The Whisper of Lord Krishna 6. Truth of Life 7. The Holy Tradition (excerpts) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --There was an albumn that Rick Stanley put out that had some real swingin' tunes on it! back around '76 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
Rest is the basis of activity, every day is proceded by the night. In the deep sleep of winter creativity is waiting for Spring's light. Like a line on stone your deepest stress will never melt away..(forgot the rest!) meditate twice a day, just meditate twice a day. --- Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Righhhttt! On 'Waves' the Charles Lloyd album. Mike Love of the Beachboys collaborated Great great song!! Did it come out as a single too? Probably only in the US. Jay Gurudev Paul --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd certainly welcome each and every one of them, Premanand Paul Masonji. The one and only one I knew of was, I think, titled 'The TM Song', went something like: TM in the AM, TM in the PM ... and on and on. I remember hearing that in top 40 radio in the early 70s, as well as for decades later on public radio. Any other TM songs you may have to share, send them on! Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - On 6/10/05, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the soundfile for the TM song, popular around 30 years ago? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - Which 'TM song'? The Beachboys have done a couple, Rick Stanley and Paul F. have done done two albums. Perhaps this is a different artist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
Over the decades I've even seen it in jukeboxes, written in as The TM Song there too. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
Like what? - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts In many different ways.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How? - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts Rumors will much more upset those who make and spread them, especially if they are not true, than those who read and who are concerned about their validity and effect.Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just call up MUM and ask them?Also, if rumors upset you, I suggest this might be the last post you want to read on FF Life. :)SalOn Jun 10, 2005, at 5:33 AM, chandashari wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this "Report"?? We would all be extremly interested/intrigued to find out more. Rumours that can increase doubts and controversy are never helpful, especially at this time. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Emailing: pleasure_palace.htm
This is a joke, yes? Or perhaps the joke is that I have to ask. ** Maharishi Apsaras Pleasure Palace Advanced Pleasure Techniques Maharishi Trained Apsaras will be able to perform pleasurable activities through the means outlined in such ancient and scientifically proven Vedic Texts such as the Kama Sutra. Applicants will learn to pleaure and be pleasured in the Vedic techniques without losing any of their vital energies. Programs will be for any sexual preference. Reduced Rates for Volunteer Apsaras. The Transcendental Meditation program of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is a simple, natural mental technique, practiced twenty minutes twice a day, which allows the active mind to settle down and experience its most silent level-Transcendental Consciousness. Benefits of the Transcendental Meditation program include deep relaxation, improved health, increasing creativity and intelligence, and inner happiness and fulfillment. Click here for more information . Volunteer Apsaras Pleasure Models will be given the option to learn Transcendental Meditation upon becoming a certified pleasure model at the Pleasure Palace. Maharishi Spas Twelve different Vedic massage and spa treatments-and more. Relaxation of body and mind is produced through massage with special oils, neutralizing the toxins of the body, strengthening the immune system and preventing the effect of negative influences from the environment. A Maharishi Spa will be part of each Peace Palace. Click here for more information. Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology The Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology (MVVT) utilizes a refined impulse of Vedic sound, or Vedic vibration, to enliven the inner intelligence of the body and restore its proper functioning. Click here for more information. Maharishi Consciousness-Based Education Maharishi Consciousness-Based Education trains every student to use the brain's full potential. Courses from Kindergarten to Ph.D. are available through Maharishi Schools, Colleges and Universities. Click here for more information. Maharishi Apsaras Pleasure Palaces Maharishi trained Apsaras will have knowledge of increasing vitality while enjoying hedonistic activities. Programs for man-man, woman-woman, man-woman,multi-partner. Reduced Rates Due to overwhelming demand for the Maharishi TM Techniques and Programs Re-Certified TM Teachers are now allowed to teach TM and Programs at discretionary fees. Maharishi Sthapathya Ved Architecture in harmony with Natural Law-to disallow any sick building syndrome. Click here for more information. Maharishi Jyotish and Yagya For prevention of problems-Vedic Astrology and Vedic Performances to avert the danger that has not yet come. Click here for more information. Products-Click here for more information. Maharishi's Books Maharishi Gandharva Veda Music CDs and Tapes Maharishi Organic Agriculture Products Raam Raj Organic Clothing Maharishi Ayurveda Herbal Preparations Email us Copyright © Maharishi Vedic Education Development (MVED) Corporation. All rights reserved To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] McYoga Bikram style
60 Minutes excerpt on Bikram and his successful lawsuit. Is this the basis for TMO recertification schemes this legal precedent which allowed Bikram to copyright his yoga techniques? The similarity between the two franchises is similar is several areas albeit one is an Indian exercise Guru, the other in a silk-robed get-up. Anyways, you decide. Thoughts? http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- Title: eSkeptic: June 10th, 2005 eSkeptic: the email newsletter of the Skeptics Society Friday, June 10th, 2005 The weeks eSkeptic offers two reviews of The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe, by Roger Penrose (Knopf Random House, 2005, ISBN 0679454438). The first review, How Vast is Our Ignorance, is by James N. Gardner, author of BIOCOSM. BIOCOSM (www.biocosm.org) was selected as one of the ten best science books of 2003 by the editors of Amazon.com. The second review, The Key to the Universe, is by Michael Shermer, originally published in the New York Sun, March 2005. How Vast is Our Ignornace? a review by James N. Gardner The most difficult thing for lay people to understand about science, Nobel laureate Murray Gell-Mann once told me after a lecture in Portland, Oregon, is how very little scientists truly comprehend about the basic nature of nature, how vast is our ignorance of the fundamental reality of the cosmos. Gell-Manns statement reminded me of the comment of that supreme master of quantum physics, Nobelist Richard Feynman, who once famously remarked: I think it can be safely said that nobody understands quantum mechanics. Isaac Newton, the father of modern physics and author of the Principia arguably the single most sublime achievement of the human intellectmade exactly the same point some 300 years earlier when he said: I dont know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. Why is it that our greatest geniuses Gell-Mann, Feynman, Newtoncan humbly concede how pitifully limited is the reach of deep human insight and comprehension while lesser spirits noisily proclaim the certainty of their conclusions and forcefully dismiss dissent, doubt, or skepticism? The short answer, I think, is that humans crave certainty, even false certainty, in preference to the sense of vertigo induced by a clear-eyed acknowledgment that we are, at least most of the time, stumbling in the dark down an unmarked path through the baffling wilderness of an unknown perhaps unknowable reality. Facing up to the limits of our knowledge and the enormity of our ignorance is an acquired skill, to put it mildly. But it is a skill well worth cultivating. For if we dont realize where the shoreline of reasonably well established scientific theory ends and the vast sea of undiscovered truth begins, how can we possibly hope to measure our progress toward a deeper and more encompassing scientific enlightenment? That is the leitmotif of Oxford physicist Roger Penroses The Road to Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe. The great virtue of this massive tome an imposing brick of a book that bristles with equations and clocks in at a daunting 1,099 pages is not so much the encyclopedic review it provides of the history and current status of theoretical physics but rather its forthright acknowledgment that, for all its magnificent achievements, modern science remains a flickering candle surrounded by inky mystery. With refreshing candor, Penrose forcefully underscores the extent of our ignorance about the origin and indeed the very nature of the physical laws that govern the operation of our magnificent universe. What the enterprise of science has compiled to date, in Penroses view, is a decidedly incomplete guide to the laws of nature: I hope that it is clear, from the discussion given in the preceding sections that our road to understanding the nature of the real world is still a long way from its goal. Perhaps this goal will never be reached, or perhaps there will eventually emerge some ultimate theory, in terms of which what we call reality can in principle be understood. If so, the nature of that theory must differ enormously from what we have seen in physical theories so far. The great iconoclasts and contrarians of science British cosmologist Fred Hoyle, Princeton physicists John Wheeler and Freeman Dyson, Thomas Gold, Francis Crick, Albert Einstein, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the decades I've even seen it in jukeboxes, written in as The TM Song there too. Hi again. Yes, the track you mention was recorded as 'TM', lasts 4:58 and is on the AM album 'Waves' by Charles Lloyd and released in 1972. Maybe it can be picked up on one of the mp3 sites? Personel were:- Charles Lloyd, tenor sax and voice; Gabor Szabo, guitar Wolfgang Melz, bass Woodrow Theus II, drums and percussion Mayuto, congos and percussion Roger McGuinn, twelve-string guitar Michael Love, Carl Wilson, Al Jardine, Billy Hinsche, Pamela Holland, voices I just picked up a weblink:- http://www.dougpayne.com/waves.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip eSkeptic the email newsletter of the Skeptics Society Friday, June 10th, 2005 HOW VAST IS OUR IGNORNACE? Before we tackle that, we need first to deal with this: HOW BAD IS OUR SPELLIGN? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Emily Levin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link in this posting does not lead to any information about Emily Levin--please check it and then repost the appropriate link. Thanks This was just a dumb J-O-K-E -- after reading a couple posts by guys whose intentions toward Emily seemed stalkerish, I miss Emily Levin Anybody know where Emily is? I hope she's not dead! Emily could never die, Emily will live on forever, Emily is eternal. Emily is the Emilification of Permanence on Earth.I love Emily I posted a link to the new anti-stalking law in Emily's home state -- just say no to stalking... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emily Levin's sister, Susie Dillbeck will be living in Chicago with her husband, Michael, the Raja of Chicago. Emily is at home with her mother--also in Illinois. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0903/p02s01-usju.html Who said Bob would never respond to reasonable emails? Well, I don't remember, but obviously they were wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Shoes kicked out, but Hindus still boycott France
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1138991.cms The Hindu Forum is spearheading a campaign seeking a worldwide Hindu boycott of all things French, including Air France flights, Mirage jets and a veto of Paris as the 2012 Olympics venue. Though French Fries are not yet on the boycott list, vocal British Hindus said it was time the French government realised that Hinduism predates Christianity by 5,000 years and it is unacceptable to ostracise it. At present, said Kallidai, all Catholic organisations in France enjoy a 100 per cent tax-exempt status for religious donations. Just 50 of an estimated 1000 Protestant organisations are tax-exempt. Two Muslim organisations are similarly recognised and several Jewish synagogues. But Hindu organisations are not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
Thank you very much, Premanand Paul Masonji. Now that I know the artists, I can narrow down the search, though considering the age of the recording, it may be very unlikely that I'll find it on the Web, hence my request within the discussion list of anyone who may have the recording who could send me the audiofile. I'd be delight to get some help in that capacity. Dharma Mitra DharmaMitra2 AT gmail.com Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com - Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity - On 6/10/05, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the decades I've even seen it in jukeboxes, written in as The TM Song there too. Hi again. Yes, the track you mention was recorded as 'TM', lasts 4:58 and is on the AM album 'Waves' by Charles Lloyd and released in 1972. Maybe it can be picked up on one of the mp3 sites? Personel were:- Charles Lloyd, tenor sax and voice; Gabor Szabo, guitar Wolfgang Melz, bass Woodrow Theus II, drums and percussion Mayuto, congos and percussion Roger McGuinn, twelve-string guitar Michael Love, Carl Wilson, Al Jardine, Billy Hinsche, Pamela Holland, voices I just picked up a weblink:- http://www.dougpayne.com/waves.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jiva jivazz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip eSkeptic the email newsletter of the Skeptics Society Friday, June 10th, 2005 HOW VAST IS OUR IGNORNACE? Before we tackle that, we need first to deal with this: HOW BAD IS OUR SPELLIGN? Got a good laf out of that one! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Song
I heard that MMY rewrote all the material before they made the album - so you could say he wrote this one - right? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rest is the basis of activity, every day is proceded by the night. In the deep sleep of winter creativity is waiting for Spring to bring life Like a line on stone your deepest stress will never melt away. Until you get that deepest rest meditate twice a day, just meditate twice a day. - Natural Tendency - 'Something Good is Happening' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: McYoga Bikram style
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 60 Minutes excerpt on Bikram and his successful lawsuit. Is this the basis for TMO recertification schemes this legal precedent which allowed Bikram to copyright his yoga techniques? The similarity between the two franchises is similar is several areas albeit one is an Indian exercise Guru, the other in a silk-robed get-up. Anyways, you decide. Thoughts? Man, I wish we had a kick-ass yoga class like that in FF! As for the lawsuit, I can see how a sequence of postures could be copyrighted like a choreographed dance. I can also understand why it pisses off other yoga folks. But, copyright law doesn't take into account religious sacredness. http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html And, many thanks for the other stuff on that page! I've wanted for years to see that video again of the guy who can light fire with his own energy. The geeky Ken Wilber clip was also interesting, although someone needs to clue him in to the fact that the gilding on TM research papers renders the research non-wobbly. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Instant Recerts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, chandashari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any more news on this?? Is there anything Official?? Can anyone put a name with first hand experience to this Report?? Spoke to a gentleman who was accepted to the course and was then told to go right out to a location. He was told further instructions would follow. He never mentioned the course fee so I assume he hadn't paid it yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: McYoga Bikram style
On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, many thanks for the other stuff on that page! I've wanted for years to see that video again of the guy who can light fire with his own energy. The geeky Ken Wilber clip was also interesting, although someone needs to clue him in to the fact that the gilding on TM research papers renders the research non-wobbly. I'm glad to share it! The Ring of Fire series just came out a while ago on DVD, so I had to get it for my collection. Hope you got the Lunch with Bokara episode before I took it down! There's more to come. Enjoy, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: McYoga Bikram style
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, many thanks for the other stuff on that page! I've wanted for years to see that video again of the guy who can light fire with his own energy. The geeky Ken Wilber clip was also interesting, although someone needs to clue him in to the fact that the gilding on TM research papers renders the research non-wobbly. I'm glad to share it! The Ring of Fire series just came out a while ago on DVD, so I had to get it for my collection. Hope you got the Lunch with Bokara episode before I took it down! There's more to come. Enjoy, Vaj Hey Vaj I have enjoyed the things you've posted - thanks! Got a chance to see Fierce Grace (about Ram Daas after his stroke)last night at the local Unity church, 3 out of 5 of the folks there were TM'ers ... The movie was quite good and inspiring, definately worth seeing - it's on DVD too. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: McYoga Bikram style
On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: Got a chance to see Fierce Grace (about Ram Daas after his stroke)last night at the local Unity church, 3 out of 5 of the folks there were TM'ers ... The movie was quite good and inspiring, definately worth seeing - it's on DVD too. We have a local circle of meditators and film buffs who meet in each others homes to talk, enjoy good company and, of course, watch movies. I'll definitely add this to our list, thank you. Bucksport is the home of the Northeast Film Archive, so this whole area seems film and video happy...lots of old movie theatres, still intactvery independent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Day of Brahma
We are 5 hours, 28 min, 40 sec. into the current Day of Brahma.Note: forwarded message attached. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- Today's Stories: 1. Houston Hindu Student Council Celebrates 2. Large Format Book Released on Tirupati Temple 3. East Meets West: Cosmology Then And Now 1. Houston Hindu Student Council Celebrates Kalyani Giri HOUSTON, TEXAS, June 4, 2005: The Hindu Students Council (HSC, click http://hscnet.org for web site) hosted an occasion in celebration of the unifying force of Hinduism at the Shri Radha Krishna Temple Hall on June 3, 2005. The event, a HSC Awareness Dinner and Fundraiser, was held to create more awareness in the community of HSC's vision to give the world enlightened Hindu leaders in all walks of life. A first of its kind event in HSC history, it brought in a much-needed sum of $52,000 to financially aid HSC to realize goals and further its cause. Over 220 youth invested time and support to the event. Coordinated by the student body with guidance of their elders, the event drew nearly 600 gatherees, and enjoyed strong representation from over 30 temples and prominent organizations such as Art of Living Foundation, Arya Samaj of Greater Houston, Chinmaya Mission Houston, BAPS Shree Swaminarayan Mandir, Shri Meenakshi Temple Society, India Culture Center and Gujarathi Samaj of Houston, to name but a few. Also attending were guests from the Jewish, Christian, Sikh, and Muslim communities. I believe that having HSC in my school is like having a mandir at home, said Hitesh Divecha, Pres. of HSC at the University of Houston, whose comment drew cheers of support from young attendees. Divecha's sister Payal told of her understanding of the concept of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam. HSC made me realize that there exists a greater family than you're born with, the whole world is one family, she said reflectively. Delivering the keynote address was National President of HSC, all chapters, Sameer Rawal. An MBA student at the New Jersey Institute of Technology, Rawal deemed Texas the ideal state for Hindus in the USA. Hindus in other states look to Houston Hindus to set precedents. And they follow your example. This awareness dinner is taking place at the right state, he said. He eloquently gave an overview of the vision of HSC. Founded in 1990, it is the largest student-run organization outside of India, with 77 chapters spanning North America and Canada. HSC has garnered the attention of over 105,000 students worldwide who benefit from activities such as holy scripture study sessions, Diwali poojas, seva projects, seminars, retreats, and global conferences such as the 2003 Global Dharma Conference held in New Jersey. Based on Vedic philosophy that encourages goodwill to all, and truth at all times, HSC provides a support system among Hindu students. HSC also spearheaded fundraising campaigns for the tsunami survivors. Through the Network of Hindu Minds (NetOHM), support from HSC continues even after a graduate joins the workforce. An affiliate of HSC, Community Action Network (CAN) works to prevent the defamation of Hinduism. 2. Large Format Book Released on Tirupati Temple http://www.vqindia.com/tirumala/news.htm HYDERABAD, INDIA, June 6, 2005: An art book on Lord Venkateshwara was released by the Governor, Sushil Kumar Shinde, here on Sunday. Titled Tirumala Tirupati the legends and beyond, the book attempts at tracing the legends behind the popularity of the shrine through a beautiful compilation of 250 photographs, illustrations and architectural drawings woven together with historic facts. It is an attempt to create an object of memorabilia that is both engaging in content and vivid in portrayal, say T. Sarita Reddy and Birad Yagnik. The book is priced at US$82 and available from Visual Quest India (P) Limited at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. East Meets West: Cosmology Then And Now http://www.stnews.org/articles.php?article_id=608category=commentary QUINCY, FRANCE, June 6, 2005: Eastern religious traditions can provide us with new cosmological insights, read this interesting article at source. Some ancient astronomers seemed to have arrived at the conclusion that the creation of the universe, its growth, its eventual decay and regeneration are eternal processes without a beginning and without an end, repeating in endless cycles. The Hindus named each half cycle a night or day of Brahma in symbolic terms.
[FairfieldLife] The Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster
Stoop not down, threfore, Unto the Darkly-Splended World. Wherin continually lieth A faithless Depth And Hades wrapped in clouds. Delighting in unintelligible Images. Precipitous, winding, A black, ever-rolling Abyss Ever espousing a Body Unluminous Formless And Void ...Necronomican Spellbook, p. 122, Avon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Emily Levin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link in this posting does not lead to any information about Emily Levin--please check it and then repost the appropriate link. Thanks This was just a dumb J-O-K-E -- after reading a couple posts by guys whose intentions toward Emily seemed stalkerish, Please, bmorry, don't you understand? Bob makes J-O-K-E-S - especially, when he is S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y concerned that a few of us here were S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y intending to S-E-R-I-O-U-S-L-Y stalk Emily on the Internet. Bob is never W-R-O-N-G - it is either Bevan or Hagelin that is wrong or anyone (and often everyone) else, but never Bob. And I appreciate how Bob takes time away from his busy internet poker schedule to search the Internet for just the P-E-R-F-E-C-T internet link. I really appreciate Bob for his good-humored J-O-K-E-S - Bob is W-O-N-D-E-R-F-U-L - Bob is one of the few people who not only can make a J-O-K-E, but also is really, really, really, really good at seeing a J-O-K-E, especially when it is staring him in the face. I know I speak for everyone in this group and a lot of other people who would be in the group if only they had sense and were not always wrong too, when I say that we are indeed very fortunate to have Bob contribute so much. And I hope that no one ever says anything to cause him to leave this group. Hail Bob Brigante! Hail Bob Brigante! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to the Register office for Trademarks in Norway and talked to a Lawyer in the office. The TMO had applied several times to get registered Transcendental Meditation as Trademark. Every time they were turned down. The Lawyer told me that the word transcendental is a description of a state in consciousness, and that they would not accept to trademark a description of a word. The same with meditation. So she said: You should just go ahead and use Transcendental Meditation in you advertising. But this is Norway - maybe it is different in other countries - I do not know. Ingegerd So you feel that the TMO doesn't offer anything of value that is added on to TM/Transcendental Meditation, and therefore you don't worry about deceiving your potential clients? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked it up in Norway. TMO has no Trademark on Transcendental Meditation - and will not have it in the Future, because Transcendental is a description of a state of consciousness and is universal. I do not know about other countries, maybe it would be wise to check out. The more people using Transcendental Meditation in their marketing outside the TMO, the more difficult it will be to get it as Trademark Ingegerd And this is a good thing? BTW, how did you checkthis out? Are you saying that there is NO registered trademark? What about the Maharishi Technology of the Unified Field, for instance? I guess I'll just either have to teach quietly or wait for the lawsuits and their resolution. I'm pretty sure that they will happen soon enough. I seriously doubt that there will be any lawsuits. As Ingegerd has pointed out, the TMO is afraid to bring any real intellectual property case to court because their case is so weak. Also, if you read between the lines of recertification, especially the part about having to do it over and over again every few years, that's a lawyer thang. What I've heard is that NONE of the agreements asked of teachers along the way are now legally enforceable. So the recert program is to create a whole new set that will be legally enforceable. Unc One agreement certainly is enforceable: trademark. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at Yale)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...pretty anarchic. Like his comment that most exports come from abroad. Have a quick glance at some of these remarks from the most powerful man in the world who just might, with the aid of his arsenal and some Tesla thinking, be able to split the world into two hemisphers like the trick with the apple. Uns. http://www.bushisms.com/NewQuotes.html You're confusing the guy who has a hard time speaking in public, and exagerates it to make him seem a just folks kinda guy, with the private person raised in the most ultra-elite circles in the US social scene who has managed to make many genuine friends with world leaders based on his abilities as a one-on-one speaker. His set speeches are fine. They are based on teams of Nibelungen working in underground caves getting it right. When he opens his mouth on other occasions, do we not see the fruits of his own brain, imagination and consciousness? Uns. Many people have problems with speaking in public. Do you judge their intelligence or ability to speak in private because they can't speak well in public? Do you judge a musician because they get stage fright? The very best musicians in the world are often too afraid to perform in public, but they are in extremely high demand for studio work where a big name isn't a factor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the trick is not to try so hard, not to manipulate. These things will take care of themselves in due time. Otherwise, it seems such a joke - the ego trying to stop the ego from interfering - why should it participate in its own annihilation? -If you can show me an ego I can tell you how to annihilate it. It's not about annihilating something. Just like it's not about killing the neighbor with the stereo. It's about learning to hear the silence through the music, and seeing what isn't of the ego. Then it's all good in the hood. Bingo. Yeah, its all about whatever you think it is... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:14 PM, sparaig wrote: But TM doesn't work at transcending thought. I'd get checked while it's still free if I were you! You obviously have not a clue... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:14 PM, sparaig wrote: Or maybe it does, and you're ignoring the research on people who show witnessing 24/7 for more than a year at a time. If they stop meditating, it will fade. This may be true. However, show me the research on non-TMers reporting 24/7 witnessing for more than a year, meditating or no... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Like I said, clueless. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:24 PM, sparaig wrote: Intention is intention is intention is... The fact that you don't see this speaks volumes, IMHO. Of course I see it, but I see it as disfunction, you probably imagine this as 'purity of the tradition' or something similar. IMO this is typical of conditioned thinking or the semantical programming of the TMO: 'we're unique, we're effortless, etc.' It's mincing onions in a desperate attempt to defend a positionless postion. The give away is when people read vaguely different definitions into ordinary words or phrases. Attempting to change the intention of the word work is typical. Diagnosis: Judy Stein Syndrome (JSS). Don't worry, it is curable. Stop meditating, eat meat-and-potatoes and stop reading/watching movement media for one month min. Esp. avoid anything gold gilt. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ego/Cosmic Consciousness/God Consciousness...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 9, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote: Well, how do we keep the ego, still lurking in the shadows, at bey, always ready to ponce and take the power back to it's little self? So, however we can stay in the self-referral frame, we stay out of the ego. I guess that is the trick...or the surrender..to Self. Ego, the I-am-maker, ahamkara keeps it's limitation going mainly through asmita the sense of I-am-ness of composite sentience. Asmita is a klesha, an affliction, whose real name is stupor. Until stupor is destroyed in meditation, it will be impossible to see the reflection/illusion of Buddhi reflecting Purusha. The reason it is composite is because we're fooled into not getting that purusha+prakriti ain't purusha. Therefore discriminate and make the jump. Or not. Meditation with objects or supports gives rise to samadhis still containing I-am-ness (asmita-matra). Therefore it is helpful to integrate some higher practice or at least transition by meditating on subtler and subtler supports until purusha can be discriminated. One man's subtle is another man's not-subtle. My .02 USD. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Chaldean Oracles of Zoroaster
Er, ah, thanks, that clears the no I thing real nicely! --- coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stoop not down, threfore, Unto the Darkly-Splended World. Wherin continually lieth A faithless Depth And Hades wrapped in clouds. Delighting in unintelligible Images. Precipitous, winding, A black, ever-rolling Abyss Ever espousing a Body Unluminous Formless And Void ...Necronomican Spellbook, p. 122, Avon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bikram case the precedent for recertification?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bikram Choudry, the founder of Bikram Yoga, has successfully defended his 26 posture technique in court as unique. No others may use his form of McYoga without being certified instructors. One wonders if we were to examine the recertification papers if they use similar wording used in the Bikram suit to try to force adherence to a certified standard for TM's form of McMeditation? A program on the suit appeared wednesday of 60 Minutes (CBS). The TMO has been most concerned with use of the NAME of transcendental meditation during the past few lawsuits. This makes sense to ME because the TMO has always offered followup programs based on the assumption that everyone they're dealing with started wioth the same basic instruction and they're protecting their clientelle as much as themselves. Do you really object to this stance? Why? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the term dharma to refer to a way of being within the context of a particular state of consciousness. Waking state is a particular way of being that entails personal responsibility among many other things. CC is a particular way of being that is quite different in many ways from waking state. To take an understanding of action from waking state and then to try to comprehend an understanding of action in CC will just create massive confusion. Of course people do this all the time as a rationalization for wrong action in waking state. They'll say such nonsense as, I didn't do it, the three gunas did. And this is different from, I didn't do it, enlight- enment/eternity/natural law did, as spoken by someone claiming enlightenment exactly how? :-) Unc If somebody claims enlightenment and then justifies or defends his behavior by claiming that it is the three gunas doing it ,is, in my book, quite entrenched in ignorance. It is the justification or defense that makes the difference here. Someone who is truly enlightened can not defend their behavior nor claim ownership of it. Its like the weather. It just happens. But this understanding can not be used from the perspective of waking state because it is not what is even remotely experienced . The first time MMY said Damn Democracy, I recall him as sounding quite startled. He then said that the transcendent was speaking through him or somesuch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
