date:20051119

Ok, (I knew it was you all along)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full 
> enlightenment.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> You're reading every single
> > > >> post I wrote since I got on this forum?
> > > >> 
> > > > 
> > > > There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
> > posting
> > > > when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
> > tehrefore,
> > > > when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read 
> what 
> > they
> > > > say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to 
take 
> > great
> > > > delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
> > everything.
> > > > Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be 
more
> > > > selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but 
try 
> to
> > > > limit your posts way down.
> > > 
> > > Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
> > group has to
> > > have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the 
role. 
> > He dropped
> > > out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
> > 20Satire/Ronol
> > > ogy/
> > > 
> > > Or 
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
> > > 
> > > I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
> > discriminating. If
> > > nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have 
people 
> > read his
> > > (fewer) posts rather than skip them all.>>.
> > 
> > Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a 
satire 
> > about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I 
> didn't 
> > intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
> > future housing market and nothing else.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from St Germaine NOW THE TRUTH

2005-11-19 Thread johnlasher20002000

This is very dramatic and verifiable or not. End of St Germaine
credibility or Begining of great credibility.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
> 
> Special Message> St. Germaine Speaks
> 11-19-2005
>   Greeting my Dear Ones of Light and Truth,
>
>   I Am St. Germaine
>
>   You have asked the question, Will our American Troops come home?
>
>   Yes indeed the troops, all troops, in Iraq will be coming home.
>
>You asked the question when?
>
>   Now. By this I mean this is already done and arranged by us and
many White Dragons on the ground in Iraq and in many other countries.
The troops know they are coming home. 
> The governments all involved in this war are beginning to pull their
troops out already. America has no more troops to send anywhere. The
recruiting job has failed. The troops left in Iraq are banning
together to get themselves out, with our and our "White Dragons". You
will see a sit down by the American troops who will refuse to fight
any longer this senseless war. They know too much of the truth and are
banning together as we speak to do just this. Their courage to sit
down and be charged with treason and firing squad will not deter them
at all. They will only participate in Peace movements to restore the
terrible damage their government had them to do, under falsity and
lies. This event you will see and hear on your TV's and radios and
Internet. Then you will see the complete collapse of the Bush regime
and the new world order they had designed come to its end. They all
will be held in courts to be judged by the people for the people. All
parties will be held in a place they
>  cannot leave. Like where Saddam Hussein is held now. They will all
be there together. It will begin to happen in and around your Xmas
time. The days of warring comes to its end.  The troops will lay down
their guns and leave their tanks and sit in Peace as an example of the
lies they will no longer serve. Pray for them all. It has and is
taking great courage to stand down in this war. It is like troops
(Gandhi) sit down. Many will join them and the whole world will
witness this event. The Divine Mother has been coming to the troops
and is helping them to awaken and to surrender to Peace as Impeccable
warriors for Peace. This kind of Warrior you may take great pride in.
> With this bit of news I will now depart. Hold the Peace and Hold
this vision I have given you today.
> I am St. Germaine
> Tele-communicated by: Kara Kincannon
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>   Source Of Light Center S.E. CO. 
> "We are here to pierce the hearts of all, with white light". We are
the "White Dragons" in service to the Illumination process of Gaia's
Rebirth.
> Products & Services go to:
> http://sourceoflightportal.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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[FairfieldLife] Message from St Germaine

2005-11-19 Thread Blue Star

From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/Special Message> St. Germaine Speaks11-19-2005 Greeting my Dear Ones of Light and Truth, I Am St. Germaine You have asked the question, Will our American Troops come home? Yes indeed the troops, all troops, in Iraq will be coming
home. You asked the question when? Now. By this I mean this is already done and arranged by us and many White Dragons on the ground in Iraq and in many other countries. The troops know they are coming home. The governments all involved in this war are beginning to pull their troops out already. America has no more troops to send anywhere. The recruiting job has failed. The troops left in Iraq are banning together to get themselves out, with our and our White Dragons. You will see a sit down by the American troops who will refuse to fight any longer this senseless war. They know too much of the truth and are banning together as we speak to do just this. Their courage to sit down and be charged with treason and firing squad will not deter them at all. They will only participate in
Peace movements to restore the terrible damage their government had them to do, under falsity and lies. This event you will see and hear on your TVs and radios and Internet. Then you will see the complete collapse of the Bush regime and the new world order they had designed come to its end. They all will be held in courts to be judged by the people for the people. All parties will be held in a place they cannot leave. Like where Saddam Hussein is held now. They will all be there together. It will begin to happen in and around your Xmas time. The days of warring comes to its end. The troops will lay down their guns and leave their tanks and sit in Peace as an example of the lies they will no longer serve. Pray for them all. It has and is taking great courage to stand down in this war. It is like troops (Gandhi) sit down. Many will join them and the whole world will witness this event. The Divine Mother has been coming to the troops and is helping them to awaken and to
surrender to Peace as Impeccable warriors for Peace. This kind of Warrior you may take great pride in.With this bit of news I will now depart. Hold the Peace and Hold this vision I have given you today.I am St. GermaineTele-communicated by: Kara Kincannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source Of Light Center S.E. CO. "We are here to pierce the hearts of all, with white light". We are the "White Dragons" in service to the Illumination process of Gaia's Rebirth.Products & Services go to:http://sourceoflightportal.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
> > 
> > every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
> > 
> > more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
> > but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
> has
> > also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
> > spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.>>>
> 
> 
> Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and 
> worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours 
> anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be 
> sticking to.
> 
> We eagerly await your leading by example.
> 
> OffWorld
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
> > something like,  "Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
> > himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  "
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Lurk
> 
> Someone else's translation:
> http://www.vahini.org/Discourses/d8-bhagavadgita.html
> 
> Oh, the splender that is Google.
> The man should be knighted.
> Arise, Sir Google.

Sorry - scroll down to paragraph 96.
Uns.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread uns_tressor

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
> something like,  "Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
> himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  "
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Lurk

Someone else's translation:
http://www.vahini.org/Discourses/d8-bhagavadgita.html

Oh, the splender that is Google.
The man should be knighted.
Arise, Sir Google.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full 
enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> You're reading every single
> > >> post I wrote since I got on this forum?
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
> posting
> > > when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
> tehrefore,
> > > when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read 
what 
> they
> > > say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take 
> great
> > > delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
> everything.
> > > Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
> > > selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try 
to
> > > limit your posts way down.
> > 
> > Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
> group has to
> > have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. 
> He dropped
> > out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
> 20Satire/Ronol
> > ogy/
> > 
> > Or 
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
> > 
> > I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
> discriminating. If
> > nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people 
> read his
> > (fewer) posts rather than skip them all.>>.
> 
> Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire 
> about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I 
didn't 
> intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
> future housing market and nothing else.
> 
> OffWorld
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> You're reading every single
> >> post I wrote since I got on this forum?
> >> 
> > 
> > There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
posting
> > when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
tehrefore,
> > when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what 
they
> > say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take 
great
> > delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
everything.
> > Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
> > selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
> > limit your posts way down.
> 
> Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
group has to
> have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. 
He dropped
> out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
20Satire/Ronol
> ogy/
> 
> Or 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
> 
> I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
discriminating. If
> nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people 
read his
> (fewer) posts rather than skip them all.>>.

Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire 
about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I didn't 
intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
future housing market and nothing else.

OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
> 
> every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
> 
> more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
> but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
has
> also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
> spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.>>>

Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and 
worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours 
anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be 
sticking to.

We eagerly await your leading by example.

OffWorld

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[FairfieldLife] Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread lurkernomore20002000

Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
something like,  "Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  "

Thanks in advance,

Lurk





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer

on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You're reading every single
>> post I wrote since I got on this forum?
>> 
> 
> There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting
> when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore,
> when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they
> say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great
> delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything.
> Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
> selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
> limit your posts way down.

Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat group has to
have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. He dropped
out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%20Satire/Ronol
ogy/

Or 

http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7

I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more discriminating. If
nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people read his
(fewer) posts rather than skip them all.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You're reading every single 
> post I wrote since I got on this forum?
>

There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting
when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore,
when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they
say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great
delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything. 
Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
limit your posts way down.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
> 
> every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
> 
> more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
> but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
has
> also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
> spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.
>
Sparaig reminds me of my teacher when I first learned to write. He 
used a red pen to mark every single word I did wrong. Sparaig is not a 
teacher, but it seems that he has put himself in that role. I usely do 
not read his remarks.
Ingegerd







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer

on 11/19/05 2:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
> 
> every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
> 
> more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
> but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
> also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
> spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.

Maybe he's got too much time on his hands. I have to agree that a lot of his
posts contribute little or nothing to the dialog. Not all of them though.
Trouble is, I usually can't be bothered to sort through them to find the
good ones, so I delete them all (in my email client). So if he were to:

1) only post comments that enriched the discussion and that he thought would
be of interest to others and

2) snip away previous posts that don't need to be quoted (others are
negligent in this too),

I and others would probably read his posts and the quality of the chat
wouldn't be diluted.

I don't mind discussing the same issues over and over, because some of the
participants may not have been in on previous discussions, new information
and understanding may have become available, we've all evolved since the
last time we discussed them, etc.

But I try to introduce new topics that interest me or that I think may
interest others, and if we all did that, things would be livelier around
here.

Before he unsubscribed the other day, Akasha_108 referred to the glory days
of FFL. I think FFL goes in waves. People and interesting topics come and
go. There have been some fascinating discussions about karma, free will,
ethics, and other topics listed in the site description. I've had to skip
many of them because of time constraints. So these may or may not be glory
days - it's a matter of opinion - but there have been glory days and there
will be glory days. Hang in there. As someone said, "every saint has a past;
every sinner has a future." The same is true of FFL.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
> 
> every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
> 
> more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
> but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
> also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
> spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.
>

Sometimes this, and sometimes they ain't. You're reading every single 
post I wrote since I got on this forum?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

2005-11-19 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 11/19/05 1:10:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Iraq: 
  What Did Congress Know, And When?Bush says Congress had the same 
  (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard Dean says intelligence was 
  "corrupted." We give facts.November 19, 
2005

Excellent article Shemp but,way too many facts and not enough 
emotionalism.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
[...]
 The detainee, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, 
> took back his story in 2004 


When I first heard that name, I thought it was a parody.

I be [a]n al-shakey alibi?

I mean, come on.





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[FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about

most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?

every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.

more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you
but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raj Mata on MMY

2005-11-19 Thread Irmeli Mattsson

Apparently you think Guru Dev had a serious narsissistic character 
disorder?

Irmeli


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>
> She got that right!
> 
> --- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Raj Mata of Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
> > (as told by Dr. Neil Patterson) 
> > "In 1976, the Raj Mata of Lucknow, U. P., came to
> > visit Maharishi in 
> > Switzerland. She had been a great devotee of Guru
> > Dev when he was 
> > Shankaracharya and Guru Dev used to stay at the
> > Royal Palace 
> > whenever he would visit Lucknow. Raj Mata told me
> > that she remembers 
> > Maharishi when he was a brahmachari serving Guru
> > Dev, but she really 
> > didn't pay much attention to him at the time.
> > However, she was very 
> > surprised years later, after Guru Dev had left this
> > earth, when 
> > people would come to herpeople who had known Guru
> > Dev and who had 
> > recently seen Maharishi. They would tell Raj Mata
> > that Maharishi is 
> > just like Guru Dev. At first, Raj Mata said she
> > didn't believe this. 
> > But throughout the sixties and early seventies,
> > people kept telling 
> > her that Maharishi was just like Guru Dev and that
> > she should go and 
> > see him. So, finally, she decided that before the
> > end of her life, 
> > she had to come and see for herself. She stayed with
> > us for about 
> > three months. On the day she was leaving, I escorted
> > her to 
> > Maharishi's meeting room where she was to see him
> > for the last time 
> > and with my assistance she sat on the floor. I
> > protested that 
> > Maharishi would not want her to sit on the floor but
> > she said to me 
> > in a very heartful tone,
> > 'Oh no, you do not understand. When all those people
> > told me that 
> > Maharishi was just like Guru Dev, I came to see for
> > myself. But 
> > having been with Maharishi these past few months, I
> > can see that 
> > they were wrong. Maharishi is not like Guru Dev, He
> > is Guru Dev. 
> > There is no difference between the two. Maharishi
> > got completely 
> > absorbed in Guru Dev's Being and became That.
> > Maharishi is not only 
> > the disciple who is just like the Master. He is the
> > Master. He is 
> > Guru Dev and therefore I have to sit at his feet.'"
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Face of ...... Dharma?

2005-11-19 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Maharishi said (1979) at Seelisberg, Switzerland: "Only a ridiculous
> movement can survive. Otherwise our adversaries would destroy us to 
the last
> extent. The time will come, where I will show my real face. Go ahead 
and do
> your work !" 

It's at least some comfort to know that the Kings weighed in gold, 
declarations against democracy, Israel, the CIA and the United States, 
and pretty much everything else that has come out of the Movement over 
the past 20 years is ridiculous.

>  Was just reminded of this, I'm curious, don't know, has Maharishiji 
shown
> his real face yet? Is there a bold new dawn still on the horizon of 
his
> beautifully glistening smile? What meaningful mission yas yet to dawn
> within, through or beyond TM?
>

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[FairfieldLife] Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

2005-11-19 Thread shempmcgurk

Iraq: What Did Congress Know, And When?

Bush says Congress had the same (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard 
Dean says intelligence was "corrupted." We give facts.

November 19, 2005

 

Summary
 

The President says Democrats in Congress "had access to the same 
intelligence" he did before the Iraq war, but some Democrats deny 
it."That was not true," says Democratic National Committee Chairman 
Howard Dean. "He withheld some intelligence. . . . The intelligence 
was corrupted."

Neither side is giving the whole story in this continuing dispute.

The President's main point is correct:  the CIA and most other US 
intelligence agencies believed before the war that Saddam had stocks 
of biological and chemical weapons, was actively working on nuclear 
weapons and "probably" would have a nuclear weapon before the end of 
this decade. That faulty intelligence was shared with Congress  
along with multiple mentions of some doubts within the intelligence 
community  in a formal National Intelligence Estimate just prior to 
the Senate and House votes to authorize the use of force against 
Iraq.

No hard evidence has surfaced to support claims that Bush somehow 
manipulated the findings of intelligence analysts. In fact, two 
bipartisan investigations probed for such evidence and said they 
found none. So Dean's claim that intelligence was "corrupted"  is 
unsupported.

But while official investigators have found no evidence that Bush 
manipulated intelligence, they never took up the question of whether 
the President and his top aides manipulated the public, something 
Bush also denies.

In fact, before the war Bush and others often downplayed or omitted 
any mention of doubts about Saddam's nuclear program. They said 
Saddam might give chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons to 
terrorists, although their own intelligence experts said that was 
unlikely. Bush also repeatedly claimed Iraq had trained al Qaeda 
terrorists in the use of poison gas, a story doubted at the time by 
Pentagon intelligence analysts. The claim later was called a lie by 
the al Qaeda detainee who originally told it to his US interrogators.

Analysis
 

The latest round of this continuing partisan dispute started Nov. 
11, when Bush said in a Veterans' Day speech:

Bush: While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or 
the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the 
history of how that war began. Some Democrats and anti-war critics 
are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the 
American people about why we went to war. These critics are fully 
aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of 
political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments 
related to Iraq's weapons programs.

They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world 
agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein. They know the United 
Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing his development 
and possession of weapons of mass destruction. . . .   That's why 
more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had 
access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam 
Hussein from power.

What Was Congress Told?

The intelligence to which Bush refers is contained in a top-secret 
document that was made available to all members of Congress in 
October 2002, days before the House and Senate voted to authorize 
Bush to use force in Iraq. This so-called National Intelligence 
Estimate was supposed to be the combined US intelligence 
community's "most authoritative written judgment concerning a 
specific national security issue," according to the Senate 
Intelligence Committee. The report was titled "Iraq's Continuing 
Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction."

Though most of the document remains classified, the "Key Judgments" 
section and some other paragraphs were cleared and released publicly 
in July, 2003. The most recent and complete version available to the 
public can be read on the website of George Washington University's 
National Security Archive, which got it from the CIA under the 
Freedom of Information Act.

The NIE as declassified and released by the CIA says pretty much 
what Bush and his aides were saying publicly about Iraq's weapons - 
nearly all of which turned out to be wrong:

CIA Release of NIE, October 2002: We judge that Iraq has continued 
its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN 
resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological 
weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN 
restrictions. If left unchecked it probably will have a nuclear 
weapon within this decade.

Chemical Weapons: The CIA document expressed no doubt that Iraq had 
large stocks of chemical weapons. "We assess that Baghdad has begun 
renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX," it 
said. "Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and 
possibly as much as 500

[FairfieldLife] Needs to rent/borrow a car - car hit a deer and is totalled

2005-11-19 Thread walterday

One of my tenants just hit a deer outside of Fairfield. The car is
totalled and she needs to rent/borrow/buy another car.

Can pay $3500 limit on a replacement car.

Any prospective car available in Fairfield???

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Charlie Donahue

2005-11-19 Thread Peter

Thanks for posting this Rick.

--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> From Dana Sawyer. I'll post the photo in the Photos
> section for those who
> don't read FFL by email.
> 
> Hey, just a quick note to accompany this photo of
> Charlie, Geshela and me..
> 
> We had a great lunch with Geshela, who is now one of
> the primary monks in
> Tibetan Buddhism, and after lunch we walked over to
> the Smith College
> library and picked up Charlie.  We took a big walk
> and my wife and Geshela
> chatted while Charlie and I had a chance to catch
> up.  It was a great
> afternoon - warm and beautiful.  Charlie is teaching
> philosophy at UMass
> and Central Connecticut State.  He's put on a lot of
> weight but he's
> definitely the same old Charlie.  I hadn't seen him
> for nearly three
> years, so we ribbed each other about getting older
> and he told me "he'd
> kick my ass" if I wasn't meditating regularly.  I
> told him that there was
> no need to worry (not that I was at all worried
> myself) and offered to
> help him publish some of his work.  He's got an
> amazing intellect, as you
> know, and it's too bad he can't focus long enough on
> getting his work out
> there.  Anyway, it's funny that he and Geshela have
> become friends these
> days.  Geshela teaches at Smith College every fall
> and they bump into each
> other on the street.  In fact, Geshela knew I would
> be visiting because
> Charlie told him so.  Strange the way that energy
> moves around and
> circumstances change.  Thirty years ago, Charlie was
> my boss!  haha
> 
> Have a great Thanksgiving, Rick,
> 
> Dana
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[FairfieldLife] Recent Photo of Charlie Donahue and Dana Sawyer

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Recent Photo of Charlie Donahue and Dana Sawyer





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[FairfieldLife] Pay It Forward - Movie with inspiring, elevating message

2005-11-19 Thread Dick Mays

Title: Pay It Forward - Movie with inspiring, elevating
messa




From http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pay_it_forward/
Pay It Forward
Based on a best-selling novel by Catherine Ryan Hyde and boasting
the star power of three prior Oscar winners--Kevin Spacey, Helen Hunt,
and Haley Joel Osment--PAY IT FORWARD spins a heartwarming yarn about
an 11-year-old boy who comes up with an utopian idea as a project for
school. History teacher Eugene Simenot (Spacey) offers the same
ongoing extra-credit assignment he has proffered every year: Come up
with an idea that will change the world. However, he expects nothing
more from his students than halfhearted efforts that fall far shy of
their mark. Simenot is therefore unprepared for precocious,
irrepressible Trevor McKinney (played with wide-eyed wonder by
Osment), who conjures up a stunning scheme. Trevor suggests the
concept that every person who benefits from someone else's good deed
should "pay it forward," instead of paying it back, and in
turn offer favors to three other people. The first guinea pig for
Trevor's experiment is his overworked, imperfect mom (Helen Hunt) for
whom he tries to find a boyfriend.    Director Mimi
Leder, best known for such powerful thrillers as DEEP IMPACT, imbues
the solid script of PAY IT FORWARD with a more grandiose aura.
However, it is the movie's triumvirate of heralded stars--Spacey,
Hunt, and Osment--that propels this compelling yarn.

MPAA Rating
PG-13, mature thematic elements such as
substance abuse/recovery, some sexual situations, language, and brief
violence
[Personal note:  Because of the
movie's above elements, along with its ending, I'd recommend adults
see it first before showing it to children.]

Local Availability
Fairfield Public Library - 1 Cassette.  (I ordered 2 DVD's
to give the Library.  They won't arrive for a week.)
Family Video - 1 DVD
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Author writes about his meeting with Maharihsi, etc

2005-11-19 Thread Ron F



--- Maryanne Lee-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Maryanne Lee-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:11:08 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [Transcendental_Meditation] India: Mirror of truth - a seven year
> pilgrimage
> 
>From Chris Higgins of Natural Law Forum
>  
> A book by Steve Briggs received from a friend in Australia   
>  
> India: Mirror of Truth A Seven Year Pilgrimage 
>  
> India: Mirror of Truth is the true story of a young American monk sent to 
>  
> India by his guru to teach meditation. His life-transforming seven-year  
> spiritual odyssey takes him from the coastal waters of Kerala to the high  
> Tibetan plateau. Along the way, he encounters saints and shamans, politicians 
>  
> and pundits, astrologers and ascetics, villagers and artisans. He visits 
> ancient  
> holy sites, meets swamis living at the source of the Ganges, participates in  
> arcane purificatory rituals, experiences the excitement of thirty million  
> pilgrims at the Kumbha Mela as guest of a maharaja, initiates India's elite 
> into  
> meditation, and shares the company of lamas at Tibetan monasteries in Ladakh 
> in  
> an awesome journey that is as culturally rich as it is spiritually stirring.  
> Deep within the Himalayan peaks, he reunites with his ageless Himalayan 
> Master  
> patiently waiting for his return. The author's dream of pursuing 
> enlightenment  
> is realized when he renounces his work in
>  order to seek spiritual liberation in   an isolated mountain ashram. 
>  
> http://www.diesel-ebooks.com/cgi-bin/item/159540967X   
>  
> excerpt. 
>  
> ...on meeting with Maharishi: 
>  
> Upon arriving at Maharishi's headquarters in Holland on my stopover from  
>  the
> States to India, I had been struck by the seemingly impenetrable fortress of  
>  a
> former Franciscan monastery hidden deep in a Dutch national forest. For the   
> next
> five weeks, along with three other Americans, we met with Maharishi to   
> discuss
> plans for two proposed projects for India: establishing management   
> institutes
> and teaching Transcendental Meditation to corporations. It had been   almost 
> ten
> years since I had seen Maharishi, and although he had aged, he still   had
> superhuman reserves of energy and stamina. Maharishi was almost eighty,   
> forty
> years my senior, but I found it impossible to keep up with him. Meetings  
> routinely went late into the night, but he never seemed to slow down. When he 
>  
> finally sent us off to rest a few hours before sunrise, a secretary ushered 
> in  
> yet another group for their meeting. Maharishi's stamina was legendary, his  
> focus unrelenting. 
>  
> Meetings with Maharishi were unpredictable, entertaining, and always a  
> lesson in world geography. A conference call from Latvia came in on one of 
> the  
> many phones manned by the secretaries. Later, with precision and patience,  
> Maharishi answered questions on a project to build a school in South Africa 
> and  
> reviewed a proposal to buy laser technology for an operating theater in a 
> Delhi  
> hospital. Line by line he reviewed an announcement for the Washington Post 
> and  
> then listened to a report from his college in Cambodia. Then a delegation 
> from  
> Thailand was escorted into the hall followed by a Bombay industrialist and 
> his  
> family who offered bouquets of red and yellow tulips to Maharishi before  
> catching a flight back to India. Maharishi then briefed a German general 
> about  
> implementing meditation in the armed forces. Guests and dignitaries from all  
> over the globe came and went as Maharishi's attention moved from continent to 
>  
> continent with the agility of an acrobat
>  in his relentless search for solutions   to problems that even governments
> refused to tackle. The backlit globe on his   table spun like a top as his 
> index
> finger came to rest on country after country.   Raise the collective 
> consciousness
> of the people and you will solve the nation's   problems was his rallying 
> cry. 
>  
> One late night, after the guests had gone and our work was finished, we  
> relaxed with Maharishi in his spacious and silky suite inside the old 
> monastery.  
> I relished every minute with my guru, but those rare moments when the 
> planning  
> for the world stopped, were my favorites. An attendant served fresh juice 
> while  
> Maharishi enquired about our stay. Maharishi's long-time personal secretary,  
> Nandkishore, was the only other person in the room with us. Nandkishore owned 
> an  
> infectious laugh even more contagious than Maharishi's and I imagined the two 
> of  
> them shaking with laughter for hours on end. But that night, the dynamics 
> were  
> different. Whenever Nandkishore spoke, Maharishi disagreed with his loyal  
> assistant, a drama that went on for the better part of an hour.

[FairfieldLife] Doing Time, Doing Vipassana

2005-11-19 Thread Vaj

Since a number of people have requested it, I have reposted the  
documentary _Doing Time, Doing Vipassana_ on my download site:

http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu Preparedness

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > on 11/18/05 9:10 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Those that die will die, those that don't, won't.
> > 
> > And that will be true whether 5 million die or 50 million die. 
The 
> size of
> > the number will depend on a lot of variables, some of which are 
in 
> our hands
> > as individuals.>>
> 
> Maybe, but those that die will die, those that don't, won't.
> 

In which universe?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Face of ...... Dharma?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Maharishi said (1979) at Seelisberg, Switzerland: "Only a ridiculous
> movement can survive. Otherwise our adversaries would destroy us to 
the last
> extent. The time will come, where I will show my real face. Go ahead 
and do
> your work !" 

>  Was just reminded of this, I'm curious, don't know, has Maharishiji 
shown
> his real face yet? Is there a bold new dawn still on the horizon of 
his
> beautifully glistening smile? What meaningful mission yas yet to dawn
> within, through or beyond TM?
>

MMY has indeed revealed his true face as utterly rediculous or utterly 
divine (or both).

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[FairfieldLife] Confluence

What if there is a confluence of disasters?
That would be the real bummer.

Say human bird flu takes off, mad-cow disease spreads, and the melting 
of the icecaps release new germs that we, or our food supply, is not 
used to.. as has long been predicted. Plus there is no fish in the sea 
left for the fish-eaters, and meat-eaters can't eat cow anymore (and 
pig and sheep and dog).

It could be fun. I'll have to get my snowshoes out and befriend a 
grizzly bear.

But I know one thing: Those that die will be dead, and those that 
don't die will still be alive. Or vica versa.

OffWorld





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