[FairfieldLife] Rare Guru Dev pic?

2005-11-19 Thread cardemaister

Has anybody seen a pic of Guru Dev where he's
sitting in lotus position and staring at a point
in the middle of his forehead? I might be hallucinating
but I think I saw a pic like that sometimes in the 80's.
It might have been in a book called Mechanics of 
Enlightenment, or something like that.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation builds up the brain

2005-11-19 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On Nov 18, 2005, at 6:37 PM, uns_tressor wrote: 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:54 PM, uns_tressor wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:26 PM, uns_tressor wrote:
  On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dick Mays wrote:
  This is from New Scientist magazine.  It doesn't say what  
  kind of
  meditation people were doing, but the results reported (in  
  studies
  by neutral scientists) are pretty impressive.
  Meditation builds up the brain
  15 November 2005
  NewScientist.com news service
  Alison Motluk
  Bruce O'Hara, University of Kentucky
  Massachusetts General Hospital
  Meditating does more than just feel good and calm you down, it
  makes you perform better - and alters the structure of your  
  brain,
  researchers have found.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Vipassana, which is a different style of meditation than TM. It's
  also being used very successfully for rehabilitation in prisons
  worldwide. If you would like to see the the documentary on  
  this, I
  could post it again. Very compelling.
 
  Why do you say that the meditation
  type spoken of was Vipassa?
  Uns.
 
  Because the word that was used in the research I've read was
  Buddhist Insight Meditation--synonymous with Vipassana (Pali).
 
  Now we all know what you are selling.
 
  LOL--I am not selling anything--
 
  I don't believe you.
 
 Oh well, I guess that's just you're conditioning!
 
 
  you are confusing Vipassana with TM  and other
  commercial forms of meditation. Vipassana is
  taught for free.
 
  ...which may well be why it will count for little
  in the history of the expansion of consciousness
  on Planet Earth.
  Uns.
 
 Well that's a sad statement on your part IMO. Vipassana has already  
 lead to the Buddhahood of innumerable practitioners

Yeah? Where is the evidence/proof?
Uns.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu Preparedness

2005-11-19 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   on 11/18/05 9:10 PM, off_world_beings at
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
Those that die will die, those that don't,
  won't.
   
   And that will be true whether 5 million die or 50
  million die. The 
  size of
   the number will depend on a lot of variables, some
  of which are in 
  our hands
   as individuals.
  
  Maybe, but those that die will die, those that
  don't, won't.
  
  OffWorld.
 
 Those that won't die don't die because they are the
 undead...or Spartacus.


Thats right !
and those that live shall be those that are still alive.

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Confluence

2005-11-19 Thread off_world_beings
What if there is a confluence of disasters?
That would be the real bummer.

Say human bird flu takes off, mad-cow disease spreads, and the melting 
of the icecaps release new germs that we, or our food supply, is not 
used to.. as has long been predicted. Plus there is no fish in the sea 
left for the fish-eaters, and meat-eaters can't eat cow anymore (and 
pig and sheep and dog).

It could be fun. I'll have to get my snowshoes out and befriend a 
grizzly bear.

But I know one thing: Those that die will be dead, and those that 
don't die will still be alive. Or vica versa.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Face of ...... Dharma?

2005-11-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Maharishi said (1979) at Seelisberg, Switzerland: Only a ridiculous
 movement can survive. Otherwise our adversaries would destroy us to 
the last
 extent. The time will come, where I will show my real face. Go ahead 
and do
 your work ! 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/3046
  Was just reminded of this, I'm curious, don't know, has Maharishiji 
shown
 his real face yet? Is there a bold new dawn still on the horizon of 
his
 beautifully glistening smile? What meaningful mission yas yet to dawn
 within, through or beyond TM?


MMY has indeed revealed his true face as utterly rediculous or utterly 
divine (or both).








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bird Flu Preparedness

2005-11-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  on 11/18/05 9:10 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   Those that die will die, those that don't, won't.
  
  And that will be true whether 5 million die or 50 million die. 
The 
 size of
  the number will depend on a lot of variables, some of which are 
in 
 our hands
  as individuals.
 
 Maybe, but those that die will die, those that don't, won't.
 

In which universe?





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[FairfieldLife] Doing Time, Doing Vipassana

2005-11-19 Thread Vaj
Since a number of people have requested it, I have reposted the  
documentary _Doing Time, Doing Vipassana_ on my download site:

http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html


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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Author writes about his meeting with Maharihsi, etc

2005-11-19 Thread Ron F


--- Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Maryanne Lee-Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:11:08 -0800 (PST)
 Subject: [Transcendental_Meditation] India: Mirror of truth - a seven year
 pilgrimage
 
From Chris Higgins of Natural Law Forum
  
 A book by Steve Briggs received from a friend in Australia   
  
 India: Mirror of Truth A Seven Year Pilgrimage 
  
 India: Mirror of Truth is the true story of a young American monk sent to 
  
 India by his guru to teach meditation. His life-transforming seven-year  
 spiritual odyssey takes him from the coastal waters of Kerala to the high  
 Tibetan plateau. Along the way, he encounters saints and shamans, politicians 
  
 and pundits, astrologers and ascetics, villagers and artisans. He visits 
 ancient  
 holy sites, meets swamis living at the source of the Ganges, participates in  
 arcane purificatory rituals, experiences the excitement of thirty million  
 pilgrims at the Kumbha Mela as guest of a maharaja, initiates India's elite 
 into  
 meditation, and shares the company of lamas at Tibetan monasteries in Ladakh 
 in  
 an awesome journey that is as culturally rich as it is spiritually stirring.  
 Deep within the Himalayan peaks, he reunites with his ageless Himalayan 
 Master  
 patiently waiting for his return. The author's dream of pursuing 
 enlightenment  
 is realized when he renounces his work in
  order to seek spiritual liberation in   an isolated mountain ashram. 
  
 http://www.diesel-ebooks.com/cgi-bin/item/159540967X   
  
 excerpt. 
  
 ...on meeting with Maharishi: 
  
 Upon arriving at Maharishi's headquarters in Holland on my stopover from  
  the
 States to India, I had been struck by the seemingly impenetrable fortress of  
  a
 former Franciscan monastery hidden deep in a Dutch national forest. For the   
 next
 five weeks, along with three other Americans, we met with Maharishi to   
 discuss
 plans for two proposed projects for India: establishing management   
 institutes
 and teaching Transcendental Meditation to corporations. It had been   almost 
 ten
 years since I had seen Maharishi, and although he had aged, he still   had
 superhuman reserves of energy and stamina. Maharishi was almost eighty,   
 forty
 years my senior, but I found it impossible to keep up with him. Meetings  
 routinely went late into the night, but he never seemed to slow down. When he 
  
 finally sent us off to rest a few hours before sunrise, a secretary ushered 
 in  
 yet another group for their meeting. Maharishi's stamina was legendary, his  
 focus unrelenting. 
  
 Meetings with Maharishi were unpredictable, entertaining, and always a  
 lesson in world geography. A conference call from Latvia came in on one of 
 the  
 many phones manned by the secretaries. Later, with precision and patience,  
 Maharishi answered questions on a project to build a school in South Africa 
 and  
 reviewed a proposal to buy laser technology for an operating theater in a 
 Delhi  
 hospital. Line by line he reviewed an announcement for the Washington Post 
 and  
 then listened to a report from his college in Cambodia. Then a delegation 
 from  
 Thailand was escorted into the hall followed by a Bombay industrialist and 
 his  
 family who offered bouquets of red and yellow tulips to Maharishi before  
 catching a flight back to India. Maharishi then briefed a German general 
 about  
 implementing meditation in the armed forces. Guests and dignitaries from all  
 over the globe came and went as Maharishi's attention moved from continent to 
  
 continent with the agility of an acrobat
  in his relentless search for solutions   to problems that even governments
 refused to tackle. The backlit globe on his   table spun like a top as his 
 index
 finger came to rest on country after country.   Raise the collective 
 consciousness
 of the people and you will solve the nation's   problems was his rallying 
 cry. 
  
 One late night, after the guests had gone and our work was finished, we  
 relaxed with Maharishi in his spacious and silky suite inside the old 
 monastery.  
 I relished every minute with my guru, but those rare moments when the 
 planning  
 for the world stopped, were my favorites. An attendant served fresh juice 
 while  
 Maharishi enquired about our stay. Maharishi's long-time personal secretary,  
 Nandkishore, was the only other person in the room with us. Nandkishore owned 
 an  
 infectious laugh even more contagious than Maharishi's and I imagined the two 
 of  
 them shaking with laughter for hours on end. But that night, the dynamics 
 were  
 different. Whenever Nandkishore spoke, Maharishi disagreed with his loyal  
 assistant, a drama that went on for the better part of an hour. 
  
 Of course, Maharishi was the master, but I couldn't help thinking  
 Nandkishore's ideas were 

[FairfieldLife] Pay It Forward - Movie with inspiring, elevating message

2005-11-19 Thread Dick Mays
Title: Pay It Forward - Movie with inspiring, elevating
messa




From http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pay_it_forward/
Pay It Forward
Based on a best-selling novel by Catherine Ryan Hyde and boasting
the star power of three prior Oscar winners--Kevin Spacey, Helen Hunt,
and Haley Joel Osment--PAY IT FORWARD spins a heartwarming yarn about
an 11-year-old boy who comes up with an utopian idea as a project for
school. History teacher Eugene Simenot (Spacey) offers the same
ongoing extra-credit assignment he has proffered every year: Come up
with an idea that will change the world. However, he expects nothing
more from his students than halfhearted efforts that fall far shy of
their mark. Simenot is therefore unprepared for precocious,
irrepressible Trevor McKinney (played with wide-eyed wonder by
Osment), who conjures up a stunning scheme. Trevor suggests the
concept that every person who benefits from someone else's good deed
should pay it forward, instead of paying it back, and in
turn offer favors to three other people. The first guinea pig for
Trevor's experiment is his overworked, imperfect mom (Helen Hunt) for
whom he tries to find a boyfriend. Director Mimi
Leder, best known for such powerful thrillers as DEEP IMPACT, imbues
the solid script of PAY IT FORWARD with a more grandiose aura.
However, it is the movie's triumvirate of heralded stars--Spacey,
Hunt, and Osment--that propels this compelling yarn.

MPAA Rating
PG-13, mature thematic elements such as
substance abuse/recovery, some sexual situations, language, and brief
violence
[Personal note: Because of the
movie's above elements, along with its ending, I'd recommend adults
see it first before showing it to children.]

Local Availability
Fairfield Public Library - 1 Cassette. (I ordered 2 DVD's
to give the Library. They won't arrive for a week.)
Family Video - 1 DVD
Everybody's - No
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[FairfieldLife] Recent Photo of Charlie Donahue and Dana Sawyer

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Recent Photo of Charlie Donahue and Dana Sawyer





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Charlie Donahue

2005-11-19 Thread Peter
Thanks for posting this Rick.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 From Dana Sawyer. I'll post the photo in the Photos
 section for those who
 don't read FFL by email.
 
 Hey, just a quick note to accompany this photo of
 Charlie, Geshela and me..
 
 We had a great lunch with Geshela, who is now one of
 the primary monks in
 Tibetan Buddhism, and after lunch we walked over to
 the Smith College
 library and picked up Charlie.  We took a big walk
 and my wife and Geshela
 chatted while Charlie and I had a chance to catch
 up.  It was a great
 afternoon - warm and beautiful.  Charlie is teaching
 philosophy at UMass
 and Central Connecticut State.  He's put on a lot of
 weight but he's
 definitely the same old Charlie.  I hadn't seen him
 for nearly three
 years, so we ribbed each other about getting older
 and he told me he'd
 kick my ass if I wasn't meditating regularly.  I
 told him that there was
 no need to worry (not that I was at all worried
 myself) and offered to
 help him publish some of his work.  He's got an
 amazing intellect, as you
 know, and it's too bad he can't focus long enough on
 getting his work out
 there.  Anyway, it's funny that he and Geshela have
 become friends these
 days.  Geshela teaches at Smith College every fall
 and they bump into each
 other on the street.  In fact, Geshela knew I would
 be visiting because
 Charlie told him so.  Strange the way that energy
 moves around and
 circumstances change.  Thirty years ago, Charlie was
 my boss!  haha
 
 Have a great Thanksgiving, Rick,
 
 Dana
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Needs to rent/borrow a car - car hit a deer and is totalled

2005-11-19 Thread walterday
One of my tenants just hit a deer outside of Fairfield. The car is
totalled and she needs to rent/borrow/buy another car.

Can pay $3500 limit on a replacement car.

Any prospective car available in Fairfield???

Contact me at (641)472-1949 or by email at:

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[FairfieldLife] Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

2005-11-19 Thread shempmcgurk
Iraq: What Did Congress Know, And When?

Bush says Congress had the same (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard 
Dean says intelligence was corrupted. We give facts.

November 19, 2005

 

Summary
 

The President says Democrats in Congress had access to the same 
intelligence he did before the Iraq war, but some Democrats deny 
it.That was not true, says Democratic National Committee Chairman 
Howard Dean. He withheld some intelligence. . . . The intelligence 
was corrupted.

Neither side is giving the whole story in this continuing dispute.

The President's main point is correct:  the CIA and most other US 
intelligence agencies believed before the war that Saddam had stocks 
of biological and chemical weapons, was actively working on nuclear 
weapons and probably would have a nuclear weapon before the end of 
this decade. That faulty intelligence was shared with Congress – 
along with multiple mentions of some doubts within the intelligence 
community – in a formal National Intelligence Estimate just prior to 
the Senate and House votes to authorize the use of force against 
Iraq.

No hard evidence has surfaced to support claims that Bush somehow 
manipulated the findings of intelligence analysts. In fact, two 
bipartisan investigations probed for such evidence and said they 
found none. So Dean's claim that intelligence was corrupted  is 
unsupported.

But while official investigators have found no evidence that Bush 
manipulated intelligence, they never took up the question of whether 
the President and his top aides manipulated the public, something 
Bush also denies.

In fact, before the war Bush and others often downplayed or omitted 
any mention of doubts about Saddam's nuclear program. They said 
Saddam might give chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons to 
terrorists, although their own intelligence experts said that was 
unlikely. Bush also repeatedly claimed Iraq had trained al Qaeda 
terrorists in the use of poison gas, a story doubted at the time by 
Pentagon intelligence analysts. The claim later was called a lie by 
the al Qaeda detainee who originally told it to his US interrogators.

Analysis
 

The latest round of this continuing partisan dispute started Nov. 
11, when Bush said in a Veterans' Day speech:

Bush: While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or 
the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the 
history of how that war began. Some Democrats and anti-war critics 
are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the 
American people about why we went to war. These critics are fully 
aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of 
political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments 
related to Iraq's weapons programs.

They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world 
agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein. They know the United 
Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing his development 
and possession of weapons of mass destruction. . . .   That's why 
more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had 
access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam 
Hussein from power.

What Was Congress Told?

The intelligence to which Bush refers is contained in a top-secret 
document that was made available to all members of Congress in 
October 2002, days before the House and Senate voted to authorize 
Bush to use force in Iraq. This so-called National Intelligence 
Estimate was supposed to be the combined US intelligence 
community's most authoritative written judgment concerning a 
specific national security issue, according to the Senate 
Intelligence Committee. The report was titled Iraq's Continuing 
Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Though most of the document remains classified, the Key Judgments 
section and some other paragraphs were cleared and released publicly 
in July, 2003. The most recent and complete version available to the 
public can be read on the website of George Washington University's 
National Security Archive, which got it from the CIA under the 
Freedom of Information Act.

The NIE as declassified and released by the CIA says pretty much 
what Bush and his aides were saying publicly about Iraq's weapons - 
nearly all of which turned out to be wrong:

CIA Release of NIE, October 2002: We judge that Iraq has continued 
its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN 
resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological 
weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN 
restrictions. If left unchecked it probably will have a nuclear 
weapon within this decade.

Chemical Weapons: The CIA document expressed no doubt that Iraq had 
large stocks of chemical weapons. We assess that Baghdad has begun 
renewed production of mustard, sarin, GF (cyclosarin), and VX, it 
said. Saddam probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and 
possibly as much as 500 MT of CW agents – 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Face of ...... Dharma?

2005-11-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Maharishi said (1979) at Seelisberg, Switzerland: Only a ridiculous
 movement can survive. Otherwise our adversaries would destroy us to 
the last
 extent. The time will come, where I will show my real face. Go ahead 
and do
 your work ! 






It's at least some comfort to know that the Kings weighed in gold, 
declarations against democracy, Israel, the CIA and the United States, 
and pretty much everything else that has come out of the Movement over 
the past 20 years is ridiculous.








http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/3046
  Was just reminded of this, I'm curious, don't know, has Maharishiji 
shown
 his real face yet? Is there a bold new dawn still on the horizon of 
his
 beautifully glistening smile? What meaningful mission yas yet to dawn
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Raj Mata on MMY

2005-11-19 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
Apparently you think Guru Dev had a serious narsissistic character 
disorder?

Irmeli


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 She got that right!
 
 --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Raj Mata of Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
  (as told by Dr. Neil Patterson) 
  In 1976, the Raj Mata of Lucknow, U. P., came to
  visit Maharishi in 
  Switzerland. She had been a great devotee of Guru
  Dev when he was 
  Shankaracharya and Guru Dev used to stay at the
  Royal Palace 
  whenever he would visit Lucknow. Raj Mata told me
  that she remembers 
  Maharishi when he was a brahmachari serving Guru
  Dev, but she really 
  didn't pay much attention to him at the time.
  However, she was very 
  surprised years later, after Guru Dev had left this
  earth, when 
  people would come to her…people who had known Guru
  Dev and who had 
  recently seen Maharishi. They would tell Raj Mata
  that Maharishi is 
  just like Guru Dev. At first, Raj Mata said she
  didn't believe this. 
  But throughout the sixties and early seventies,
  people kept telling 
  her that Maharishi was just like Guru Dev and that
  she should go and 
  see him. So, finally, she decided that before the
  end of her life, 
  she had to come and see for herself. She stayed with
  us for about 
  three months. On the day she was leaving, I escorted
  her to 
  Maharishi's meeting room where she was to see him
  for the last time 
  and with my assistance she sat on the floor. I
  protested that 
  Maharishi would not want her to sit on the floor but
  she said to me 
  in a very heartful tone,
  'Oh no, you do not understand. When all those people
  told me that 
  Maharishi was just like Guru Dev, I came to see for
  myself. But 
  having been with Maharishi these past few months, I
  can see that 
  they were wrong. Maharishi is not like Guru Dev, He
  is Guru Dev. 
  There is no difference between the two. Maharishi
  got completely 
  absorbed in Guru Dev's Being and became That.
  Maharishi is not only 
  the disciple who is just like the Master. He is the
  Master. He is 
  Guru Dev and therefore I have to sit at his feet.'
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread anonymousff
most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?

every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.

more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

2005-11-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[...]
 The detainee, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, 
 took back his story in 2004 


When I first heard that name, I thought it was a parody.

I be [a]n al-shakey alibi?

I mean, come on.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Factcheck.org on Iraq: What did Congree know, and when?

2005-11-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 11/19/05 1:10:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Iraq: 
  What Did Congress Know, And When?Bush says Congress had the same 
  (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard Dean says intelligence was 
  "corrupted." We give facts.November 19, 
2005

Excellent article Shemp but,way too many facts and not enough 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
 
 every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
 
 more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
 but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
 also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
 spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.


Sometimes this, and sometimes they ain't. You're reading every single 
post I wrote since I got on this forum?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/19/05 2:11 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
 
 every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
 
 more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
 but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has
 also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
 spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.

Maybe he's got too much time on his hands. I have to agree that a lot of his
posts contribute little or nothing to the dialog. Not all of them though.
Trouble is, I usually can't be bothered to sort through them to find the
good ones, so I delete them all (in my email client). So if he were to:

1) only post comments that enriched the discussion and that he thought would
be of interest to others and

2) snip away previous posts that don't need to be quoted (others are
negligent in this too),

I and others would probably read his posts and the quality of the chat
wouldn't be diluted.

I don't mind discussing the same issues over and over, because some of the
participants may not have been in on previous discussions, new information
and understanding may have become available, we've all evolved since the
last time we discussed them, etc.

But I try to introduce new topics that interest me or that I think may
interest others, and if we all did that, things would be livelier around
here.

Before he unsubscribed the other day, Akasha_108 referred to the glory days
of FFL. I think FFL goes in waves. People and interesting topics come and
go. There have been some fascinating discussions about karma, free will,
ethics, and other topics listed in the site description. I've had to skip
many of them because of time constraints. So these may or may not be glory
days - it's a matter of opinion - but there have been glory days and there
will be glory days. Hang in there. As someone said, every saint has a past;
every sinner has a future. The same is true of FFL.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
 
 every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
 
 more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
 but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
has
 also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
 spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.

Sparaig reminds me of my teacher when I first learned to write. He 
used a red pen to mark every single word I did wrong. Sparaig is not a 
teacher, but it seems that he has put himself in that role. I usely do 
not read his remarks.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You're reading every single 
 post I wrote since I got on this forum?


There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting
when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore,
when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they
say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great
delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything. 
Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
limit your posts way down.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread Rick Archer
on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 You're reading every single
 post I wrote since I got on this forum?
 
 
 There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting
 when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore,
 when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they
 say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great
 delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything.
 Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
 selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
 limit your posts way down.

Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat group has to
have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. He dropped
out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%20Satire/Ronol
ogy/

Or 

http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7

I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more discriminating. If
nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people read his
(fewer) posts rather than skip them all.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
 
 every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
 
 more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
 but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
has
 also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
 spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.


Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and 
worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours 
anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be 
sticking to.

We eagerly await your leading by example.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  
  You're reading every single
  post I wrote since I got on this forum?
  
  
  There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
posting
  when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
tehrefore,
  when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what 
they
  say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take 
great
  delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
everything.
  Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
  selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to
  limit your posts way down.
 
 Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
group has to
 have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. 
He dropped
 out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
20Satire/Ronol
 ogy/
 
 Or 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
 
 I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
discriminating. If
 nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people 
read his
 (fewer) posts rather than skip them all..

Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire 
about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I didn't 
intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
future housing market and nothing else.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread anonymousff
Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full 
enlightenment.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
   
   You're reading every single
   post I wrote since I got on this forum?
   
   
   There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
 posting
   when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
 tehrefore,
   when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read 
what 
 they
   say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take 
 great
   delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
 everything.
   Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more
   selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try 
to
   limit your posts way down.
  
  Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
 group has to
  have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. 
 He dropped
  out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
 20Satire/Ronol
  ogy/
  
  Or 
  
  http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
  
  I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
 discriminating. If
  nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people 
 read his
  (fewer) posts rather than skip them all..
 
 Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire 
 about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I 
didn't 
 intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
 future housing market and nothing else.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
 something like,  Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
 himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Lurk

Someone else's translation:
http://www.vahini.org/Discourses/d8-bhagavadgita.html

Oh, the splender that is Google.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
  something like,  Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
  himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  
  
  Thanks in advance,
  
  Lurk
 
 Someone else's translation:
 http://www.vahini.org/Discourses/d8-bhagavadgita.html
 
 Oh, the splender that is Google.
 The man should be knighted.
 Arise, Sir Google.

Sorry - scroll down to paragraph 96.
Uns.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread anonymousff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife?
  
  every day, over and over, the same issues for years now.
  
  more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig (sorry to pick on you
  but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone 
 has
  also commented on.   Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from
  spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.
 
 
 Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and 
 worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours 
 anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be 
 sticking to.
 
 We eagerly await your leading by example.
 
 OffWorld


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[FairfieldLife] Message from St Germaine

2005-11-19 Thread Blue Star



From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/Special Message St. Germaine Speaks11-19-2005 Greeting my Dear Ones of Light and Truth,I Am St. GermaineYou have asked the question, Will our American Troops come home?Yes indeed the troops, all troops, in Iraq will be coming
 home.You asked the question when?Now. By this I mean this is already done and arranged by us and many White Dragons on the ground in Iraq and in many other countries. The troops know they are coming home. The governments all involved in this war are beginning to pull their troops out already. America has no more troops to send anywhere. The recruiting job has failed. The troops left in Iraq are banning together to get themselves out, with our and our “White Dragons“. You will see a sit down by the American troops who will refuse to fight any longer this senseless war. They know too much of the truth and are banning together as we speak to do just this. Their courage to sit down and be charged with treason and firing squad will not deter them at all. They will only participate in
 Peace movements to restore the terrible damage their government had them to do, under falsity and lies. This event you will see and hear on your TV’s and radios and Internet. Then you will see the complete collapse of the Bush regime and the new world order they had designed come to its end. They all will be held in courts to be judged by the people for the people. All parties will be held in a place they cannot leave. Like where Saddam Hussein is held now. They will all be there together. It will begin to happen in and around your Xmas time. The days of warring comes to its end. The troops will lay down their guns and leave their tanks and sit in Peace as an example of the lies they will no longer serve. Pray for them all. It has and is taking great courage to stand down in this war. It is like troops (Gandhi) sit down. Many will join them and the whole world will witness this event. The Divine Mother has been coming to the troops and is helping them to awaken and to
 surrender to Peace as Impeccable warriors for Peace. This kind of Warrior you may take great pride in.With this bit of news I will now depart. Hold the Peace and Hold this vision I have given you today.I am St. GermaineTele-communicated by: Kara Kincannon  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Source Of Light Center S.E. CO. "We are here to pierce the hearts of all, with white light". We are the "White Dragons" in service to the Illumination process of Gaia's Rebirth.Products  Services go to:http://sourceoflightportal.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Message from St Germaine NOW THE TRUTH

2005-11-19 Thread johnlasher20002000
This is very dramatic and verifiable or not. End of St Germaine
credibility or Begining of great credibility.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
 
 Special Message St. Germaine Speaks
 11-19-2005
   Greeting my Dear Ones of Light and Truth,

   I Am St. Germaine

   You have asked the question, Will our American Troops come home?

   Yes indeed the troops, all troops, in Iraq will be coming home.

You asked the question when?

   Now. By this I mean this is already done and arranged by us and
many White Dragons on the ground in Iraq and in many other countries.
The troops know they are coming home. 
 The governments all involved in this war are beginning to pull their
troops out already. America has no more troops to send anywhere. The
recruiting job has failed. The troops left in Iraq are banning
together to get themselves out, with our and our White Dragons. You
will see a sit down by the American troops who will refuse to fight
any longer this senseless war. They know too much of the truth and are
banning together as we speak to do just this. Their courage to sit
down and be charged with treason and firing squad will not deter them
at all. They will only participate in Peace movements to restore the
terrible damage their government had them to do, under falsity and
lies. This event you will see and hear on your TV's and radios and
Internet. Then you will see the complete collapse of the Bush regime
and the new world order they had designed come to its end. They all
will be held in courts to be judged by the people for the people. All
parties will be held in a place they
  cannot leave. Like where Saddam Hussein is held now. They will all
be there together. It will begin to happen in and around your Xmas
time. The days of warring comes to its end.  The troops will lay down
their guns and leave their tanks and sit in Peace as an example of the
lies they will no longer serve. Pray for them all. It has and is
taking great courage to stand down in this war. It is like troops
(Gandhi) sit down. Many will join them and the whole world will
witness this event. The Divine Mother has been coming to the troops
and is helping them to awaken and to surrender to Peace as Impeccable
warriors for Peace. This kind of Warrior you may take great pride in.
 With this bit of news I will now depart. Hold the Peace and Hold
this vision I have given you today.
 I am St. Germaine
 Tele-communicated by: Kara Kincannon
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about

2005-11-19 Thread off_world_beings
Ok, (I knew it was you all along)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full 
 enlightenment.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:


You're reading every single
post I wrote since I got on this forum?


There are people who post regularly and are selective about 
  posting
when they are going to contribute something meaningful, 
  tehrefore,
when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read 
 what 
  they
say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to 
take 
  great
delight in using your red ink pen to say something about 
  everything.
Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be 
more
selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but 
try 
 to
limit your posts way down.
   
   Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat 
  group has to
   have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the 
role. 
  He dropped
   out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire:
   
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and%
  20Satire/Ronol
   ogy/
   
   Or 
   
   http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7
   
   I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more 
  discriminating. If
   nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have 
people 
  read his
   (fewer) posts rather than skip them all..
  
  Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a 
satire 
  about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I 
 didn't 
  intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the 
  future housing market and nothing else.
  
  OffWorld
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor 
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  Someone else's translation:
  http://www.vahini.org/Discourses/d8-bhagavadgita.html
  
  Oh, the splender that is Google.
  The man should be knighted.
  Arise, Sir Google.

Yes, Google now has a market cap exceeding that of Cisco, and I 
believe E-Bay and Coca-Cola combined!  I thought people were foolish 
to buy it at $85.00 a share when it opened. Then again people could 
have made a fortune following my advice on the marketAnd Doing 
The Exact Opposite.

lurk

Thanks, Let a man raise himself, by himself. Let him not debase 
himself.  He alone, indeed, is his own friend.  He alone, his own 
enemy  A sutra capable of changing the world.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Message from St Germaine NOW THE TRUTH

2005-11-19 Thread Peter
If you lay down your weapon in Iraq you will get your
ass blown off by a f*cking moronic Muslim fanatic. 

--- johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This is very dramatic and verifiable or not. End of
 St Germaine
 credibility or Begining of great credibility.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Blue Star
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
  
  Special Message St. Germaine Speaks
  11-19-2005
Greeting my Dear Ones of Light and Truth,
 
I Am St. Germaine
 
You have asked the question, Will our American
 Troops come home?
 
Yes indeed the troops, all troops, in Iraq will
 be coming home.
 
 You asked the question when?
 
Now. By this I mean this is already done and
 arranged by us and
 many White Dragons on the ground in Iraq and in many
 other countries.
 The troops know they are coming home. 
  The governments all involved in this war are
 beginning to pull their
 troops out already. America has no more troops to
 send anywhere. The
 recruiting job has failed. The troops left in Iraq
 are banning
 together to get themselves out, with our and our
 White Dragons. You
 will see a sit down by the American troops who will
 refuse to fight
 any longer this senseless war. They know too much of
 the truth and are
 banning together as we speak to do just this. Their
 courage to sit
 down and be charged with treason and firing squad
 will not deter them
 at all. They will only participate in Peace
 movements to restore the
 terrible damage their government had them to do,
 under falsity and
 lies. This event you will see and hear on your TV's
 and radios and
 Internet. Then you will see the complete collapse of
 the Bush regime
 and the new world order they had designed come to
 its end. They all
 will be held in courts to be judged by the people
 for the people. All
 parties will be held in a place they
   cannot leave. Like where Saddam Hussein is held
 now. They will all
 be there together. It will begin to happen in and
 around your Xmas
 time. The days of warring comes to its end.  The
 troops will lay down
 their guns and leave their tanks and sit in Peace as
 an example of the
 lies they will no longer serve. Pray for them all.
 It has and is
 taking great courage to stand down in this war. It
 is like troops
 (Gandhi) sit down. Many will join them and the whole
 world will
 witness this event. The Divine Mother has been
 coming to the troops
 and is helping them to awaken and to surrender to
 Peace as Impeccable
 warriors for Peace. This kind of Warrior you may
 take great pride in.
  With this bit of news I will now depart. Hold the
 Peace and Hold
 this vision I have given you today.
  I am St. Germaine
  Tele-communicated by: Kara Kincannon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
Source Of Light Center S.E. CO. 
  We are here to pierce the hearts of all, with
 white light. We are
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Raj Mata on MMY

2005-11-19 Thread Peter
No, not the surface personality. We all know MMY is a
little goofy in the personality department.

--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Apparently you think Guru Dev had a serious
 narsissistic character 
 disorder?
 
 Irmeli
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
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 wrote:
 
  She got that right!
  
  --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Raj Mata of Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
   (as told by Dr. Neil Patterson) 
   In 1976, the Raj Mata of Lucknow, U. P., came
 to
   visit Maharishi in 
   Switzerland. She had been a great devotee of
 Guru
   Dev when he was 
   Shankaracharya and Guru Dev used to stay at the
   Royal Palace 
   whenever he would visit Lucknow. Raj Mata told
 me
   that she remembers 
   Maharishi when he was a brahmachari serving Guru
   Dev, but she really 
   didn't pay much attention to him at the time.
   However, she was very 
   surprised years later, after Guru Dev had left
 this
   earth, when 
   people would come to her…people who had known
 Guru
   Dev and who had 
   recently seen Maharishi. They would tell Raj
 Mata
   that Maharishi is 
   just like Guru Dev. At first, Raj Mata said she
   didn't believe this. 
   But throughout the sixties and early seventies,
   people kept telling 
   her that Maharishi was just like Guru Dev and
 that
   she should go and 
   see him. So, finally, she decided that before
 the
   end of her life, 
   she had to come and see for herself. She stayed
 with
   us for about 
   three months. On the day she was leaving, I
 escorted
   her to 
   Maharishi's meeting room where she was to see
 him
   for the last time 
   and with my assistance she sat on the floor. I
   protested that 
   Maharishi would not want her to sit on the floor
 but
   she said to me 
   in a very heartful tone,
   'Oh no, you do not understand. When all those
 people
   told me that 
   Maharishi was just like Guru Dev, I came to see
 for
   myself. But 
   having been with Maharishi these past few
 months, I
   can see that 
   they were wrong. Maharishi is not like Guru Dev,
 He
   is Guru Dev. 
   There is no difference between the two.
 Maharishi
   got completely 
   absorbed in Guru Dev's Being and became That.
   Maharishi is not only 
   the disciple who is just like the Master. He is
 the
   Master. He is 
   Guru Dev and therefore I have to sit at his
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gita Quote?

2005-11-19 Thread kalliope108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
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 Can someone tell me that Gita quote, M's translation that goes 
 something like,  Let a man___ himself, let him not debase 
 himself.  He alone is his own ___, he alone his  
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
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indeed, is his own friend, he alone
his own enemy.
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